Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds: The Cotto & Miranda Show

I gotta say this...the DRBR is in full effect on this match up.

Everyone's got good points & I think that it speaks leaps & bounds for the future of Miranda that most of the arguments are cracking over his up & coming match against Green.

For the record...I hope that he thrashes him.

Anywho...everyone has been or is being :coolclick: ed.

Wacko might be on the slide a bit of late...for that I apologize...on top of the ole' family mess...I've just injured me back & abdominal area...hernia...gotdam I'm gettin old.

Pics from the press conference...
http://www.endi.com/XStatic/endi/tem...aspx?sf=170726

Nice pics Pantera.

Is it just me...or does Cotto have some pefectly tweezed eyebrows.

Also...Green looks a bit larger than Miranda. Yowks!!!

Anywho...what's up with Urkal looking like a weight drained Balboa?

Heh heh heh. :cheers:

Any particular reason Miranda is shirtless? ;D

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Shoooooooooooooow Cha-ley Murp-eeeee ya tities!

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Green was up there first and said he was going to knock out Miranda.
Miranda got up there and said something like "You hamburger, hotdog and french fry eating gringo thinks your going to come into my hometown and knock me out? With what? You got nothing in you that can knock this out!"..... he pulled off his shirt and walked towards green.

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Green was up there first and said he was going to knock out Miranda.
Miranda got up there and said something like "You hamburger, hotdog and french fry eating gringo thinks your going to come into my hometown and knock me out? With what? You got nothing in you that can knock this out!"..... he pulled off his shirt and walked towards green.

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Okay Pantera...here's what has me worried...Miranda as a fighter is ultra confident...& that's all well & good...but we have discussed the fact that he has very little to no defense...scratch that...let's just say that it's very leaky.

It was visible against Eastman & Abraham. They both caught him & hurt him. Abraham had Miranda stunned several times.

Since then...Miranda has been more of a hammer & hit 'em man...& that's worked...but Green can box...& Miranda has issues with boxers finding leaky holes.

The thing is...what if he catches him like Eastman & Abraham did?

Does Green really posess the power to stop him? If so...& he does...this would be considered an upset of upsets & a huge boost for Green...correct?

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Green was up there first and said he was going to knock out Miranda.
Miranda got up there and said something like "You hamburger, hotdog and french fry eating gringo thinks your going to come into my hometown and knock me out? With what? You got nothing in you that can knock this out!"..... he pulled off his shirt and walked towards green.

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Okay Pantera...here's what has me worried...Miranda as a fighter is ultra confident...& that's all well & good...but we have discussed the fact that he has very little to no defense...scratch that...let's just say that it's very leaky.

It was visible against Eastman & Abraham. They both caught him & hurt him. Abraham had Miranda stunned several times.

Since then...Miranda has been more of a hammer & hit 'em man...& that's worked...but Green can box...& Miranda has issues with boxers finding leaky holes.

The thing is...what if he catches him like Eastman & Abraham did?

Does Green really posess the power to stop him? If so...& he does...this would be considered an upset of upsets & a huge boost for Green...correct?

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Green's got power. No doubt he could catch Miranda. It's boxing and anything can happen.
And if Green pulled off the upset it would be HUGE for him. He would immediately be put in the top of the list to fight Taylor (maybe having to fight Pavlik first).

But realistically, Green defense is not good. Compared to Abraham it is nonexistent. And his chin, well, we need not go there. He will get hit and it will hurt him. Unless Green gets lucky and catches Miranda early I dont see anyway for Green to win this one. And if Green does catch Miranda, will he be able to hurt him enough to slow him down? Abraham couldnt do it, Eastman couldnt do it. Miranda was able to brush off their power rather quick and keep on the attack.

Their will be no hometown cooking for Green. IMO he needs to pull out a miracle to win this one. Can't wait to find out if Im right! Gonna be a great fight as long as it lasts.

The thing is. Well...

1. I think Miranda catches Green well before Green catches Miranda and I don't think Green has the ability to stave off Miranda while he's hurt.

2. Miranda survived versus Abraham and Eastman. And when he got hurt it didn't take him long to shake it off and he has had big spots after he got hurt both times. And coming back versus Abraham and Eastman means a lot more then coming back against Donnie McCrary.

Getting hurt doesn't spell the end for Miranda. I think the main reason why is because of his defense. He may have a bad defense but that's just when he's on the offensive. When he's on the outside and inactive, he covers up pretty nicely. He goes into that shell and when he's in that shell and crouched, he's safe.

One thing he did a lot in the Eastman fight was lead with the straight right. I wish he wouldn't do that. He doesn't set up his punches very well after that lunging right and it really exposed a lot of holes in his defense. I don't expect to see a lot of that in the Green fight. If he doesn't, or if he at least moderates it, I think he's a lot harder to counter.

I also think he's got to be patient and not fire off from that in between range. Fire from the inside or outside, probably better suited on the inside but he is going to have to work in the jab at some point imo.

Man...the more I type this the more unlikely I think that's going to be. Miranda is probably just going to throw caution to the wind and be there to hit. And this could be a FOTY. I still pick Miranda midround KO but damn this could be good 8)

Okay...offa Miranda & onto one of me top 5'ers...Cotto.

Personally...I hope that he doesn't fight all stupid for the people this time like he did against Corley. Going for the KO so early is stupidity...any thoughts?



Cotto promises victory!

Wednesday, February 28 2007

http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...uOLgocCzn.html

Fighters faced off Wednesday at the final press conference for Saturday's huge fight card at the Coliseo Roberto Clemente in San Juan, Puerto Rico. "I here to defend my title at home with a lot of force and energy," stated WBA welterweight champion Miguel Cotto (28-0, 23 KOs). "I am very well prepared, just as in previous fights. I'm going to defend my crown and flag, and we are going to get victory number 29 for Miguel Cotto and all of Puerto Rico." Mandatory challenger Urkal (38-3, 11 KOs) promised to give Cotto a boxing lesson. "I had to wait 18 months for this fight and I am prepared. I hope to give him my best showing in the ring."


Sounds confident...let's just hope that he boxes like the Cotto of old instead of trying to be the Trinidad of new.

Puerto Rico needs a new champion...but they don't need a one trick poney...neither does the boxing community...Cotto is someone that we can all get behind & enjoy the ride...& I mean that in a totally NOT CUTEMICK way. :-X

Urkal is no Corley. At least I don't think. And even if he is, Cotto is a changed fighter. Loved his boxing versus Quintana it was absolutely beautiful. I don't think any one fighter has impressed me so much since Klitschko beat Peter.

Awesome display of skill and showed thorough improvement. And he hits pretty hard too 8)

I would be blown away if Urkal had any success in this one.

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Urkal is no Corley. At least I don't think. And even if he is, Cotto is a changed fighter. Loved his boxing versus Quintana it was absolutely beautiful. I don't think any one fighter has impressed me so much since Klitschko beat Peter.
Awesome display of skill and showed thorough improvement. And he hits pretty hard too 8)

I would be blown away if Urkal had any success in this one.

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Apparently it doesn't take much to impress you then. ;D ;)

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Urkal is no Corley. At least I don't think. And even if he is, Cotto is a changed fighter. Loved his boxing versus Quintana it was absolutely beautiful. I don't think any one fighter has impressed me so much since Klitschko beat Peter.
Awesome display of skill and showed thorough improvement. And he hits pretty hard too 8)

I would be blown away if Urkal had any success in this one.

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Apparently it doesn't take much to impress you then. ;D ;)

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Klitschko beat the most worthy contender in the division and he got up off the canvas. Answered all the questions I had about him going in like stamina and heart.

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Urkal is no Corley. At least I don't think. And even if he is, Cotto is a changed fighter. Loved his boxing versus Quintana it was absolutely beautiful. I don't think any one fighter has impressed me so much since Klitschko beat Peter.
Awesome display of skill and showed thorough improvement. And he hits pretty hard too 8)

I would be blown away if Urkal had any success in this one.

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Apparently it doesn't take much to impress you then. ;D ;)

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Klitschko beat the most worthy contender in the division and he got up off the canvas. Answered all the questions I had about him going in like stamina and heart.

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Yes, he ran, held, and boxed his way to a decision while being knocked on his ass three times against a raw, green, one dimensional, right handed slugger. I admit Klitschko surprised me some that night. But I was more disapointed with Peter than anything else.

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Urkal is no Corley. At least I don't think. And even if he is, Cotto is a changed fighter. Loved his boxing versus Quintana it was absolutely beautiful. I don't think any one fighter has impressed me so much since Klitschko beat Peter.
Awesome display of skill and showed thorough improvement. And he hits pretty hard too 8)

I would be blown away if Urkal had any success in this one.

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Apparently it doesn't take much to impress you then. ;D ;)

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Klitschko beat the most worthy contender in the division and he got up off the canvas. Answered all the questions I had about him going in like stamina and heart.

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Yes, he ran, held, and boxed his way to a decision while being knocked on his ass three times against a raw, green, one dimensional, right handed slugger. I admit Klitschko surprised me some that night. But I was more disapointed with Peter than anything else.

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Peter is my favorite fighter behind Wright and Lacy. He gave it his all. Would have liked some more activity in the middle rounds but I felt good after that fight. Knew the heavyweight division was in good hands. Can't wait for those two to rematch.

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Urkal is no Corley. At least I don't think. And even if he is, Cotto is a changed fighter. Loved his boxing versus Quintana it was absolutely beautiful. I don't think any one fighter has impressed me so much since Klitschko beat Peter.
Awesome display of skill and showed thorough improvement. And he hits pretty hard too 8)

I would be blown away if Urkal had any success in this one.

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Apparently it doesn't take much to impress you then. ;D ;)

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Klitschko beat the most worthy contender in the division and he got up off the canvas. Answered all the questions I had about him going in like stamina and heart.

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Yes, he ran, held, and boxed his way to a decision while being knocked on his ass three times against a raw, green, one dimensional, right handed slugger. I admit Klitschko surprised me some that night. But I was more disapointed with Peter than anything else.

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Peter is my favorite fighter behind Wright and Lacy. He gave it his all. Would have liked some more activity in the middle rounds but I felt good after that fight. Knew the heavyweight division was in good hands. Can't wait for those two to rematch.

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Neither can I. That will be the fight to decide who is the HW champion of the world. I think Peter has improved quite a bit with his boxing since the first fight, and I believe he should be able to beat Wlad this time. Put him down, and keep him down. But if he can't, he oughta just fukin retire. I know he wouldn't retire, but seriously...

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Urkal is no Corley. At least I don't think. And even if he is, Cotto is a changed fighter. Loved his boxing versus Quintana it was absolutely beautiful. I don't think any one fighter has impressed me so much since Klitschko beat Peter.
Awesome display of skill and showed thorough improvement. And he hits pretty hard too 8)

I would be blown away if Urkal had any success in this one.

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Apparently it doesn't take much to impress you then. ;D ;)

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Klitschko beat the most worthy contender in the division and he got up off the canvas. Answered all the questions I had about him going in like stamina and heart.

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Yes, he ran, held, and boxed his way to a decision while being knocked on his ass three times against a raw, green, one dimensional, right handed slugger. I admit Klitschko surprised me some that night. But I was more disapointed with Peter than anything else.

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Peter is my favorite fighter behind Wright and Lacy. He gave it his all. Would have liked some more activity in the middle rounds but I felt good after that fight. Knew the heavyweight division was in good hands. Can't wait for those two to rematch.

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Neither can I. That will be the fight to decide who is the HW champion of the world. I think Peter has improved quite a bit with his boxing since the first fight, and I believe he should be able to beat Wlad this time. Put him down, and keep him down. But if he can't, he oughta just fukin retire. I know he wouldn't retire, but seriously...

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If he can't beat the best HW in the world he should retire? Come on Hulk...you're a Mayorga fan ;D

I think both fighters will have a lot to offer the division for many years to come.

It's almost unfathomable to me that Cotto could lose...but what if Green comes out & blasts Miranda senseless?

What would that do for Miranda?

Would everyone jump ship?

Thoughts?

You can apply the same questions to Cotto if you like...but I think that's a highly unlikely situation.

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It's almost unfathomable to me that Cotto could lose...but what if Green comes out & blasts Miranda senseless?

What would that do for Miranda?

Would everyone jump ship?

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You can apply the same questions to Cotto if you like...but I think that's a highly unlikely situation.

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I think yes, people would jump ship. Not that that's the way it should be but you know as well as anyone that it happens all the time.. Same ppl who were praising Miranda as the next big thing will wait a few weeks to post anything much on the matter, then soon start with the "oh he was way overrated anyways". Which I honestly believe he is, but Im saying it before the fight. I actually picked Green to win, probably won't happen but I have a feeling that it's going to be a lot more of a fight than many people are making it out to be. Could be totally wrong, we know Green is capable of being hurt rather easily, so Miranda could get the KO at any time don't get me wrong. But I think Green may be able to outbox him as well as put some hurt on him.. Who knows, I could definetly be swayed as to my opinion of both guys, just depends how the fight turns out.. I say I feel Miranda is overrated, but at the same time, I think he has a good shot to beat about anyone at middleweight besides Taylor or Wright, and he'd have a fair chance to beat Jermain imo. And yes the same thing applies to Cotto if Urkal were to win, people would definetly jump ship, but like you say, that's a slim to none chance right there, and if Cotto were to lose he would have to be less of a fighter than most think, including myself... THat would be like asking if Calzaghe were to lose to Manfredo would people jump ship.. Of course, and with good reason.

If Green blasts through Miranda,I'd still like him and I'd still expect him to give any other guy at the weight hell! I want to see him rematch Abraham on NEUTRAL GROUND SO BAD!!!

I doubt that Green is going to do what he did to Jaidon Codrington to Edison Miranda. I see Miranda havin some trouble early maybe, then nailing Green with a good right hand, turning Green's legs to spaghetti and then finishing him. BUT Green is a pretty good boxer, fast too, and he can punch. It is possible that he outboxes Miranda or stops him late. I'm goin with Miranda by KO though, hes a very hungry fighter with devastating power.

I think that Miranda/Green is going to be a very exciting back and forth battle while it lasts. We have seen Miranda get his bell rung by legit fighters and come back fine. We have also seen Green get his bell rung by a B level fighter, he came back fine but still got rung up by a B level fighter. That is what sways me to think that Miranda is going to get the KO. I feel that Miranda will stand up and recover better from Green's shots than Green will to Miranda's.

Green will outbox him for the first few rounds but then Miranda is going to catch him and either finish him right there or a round or two later.

Rocky Juarez was dropped and almost stoped my Joe Morales(no punching power) but hung tough with Barerra because he improved. green has become a better fighter since that fight and Miranda has become a better fighter since the Eastman fight. Green has all the tools but Miranda has all the power. But skill beats power if Green is as good as he's been, and Green is going to be the nautrally bigger fighter.

Green wins this late.

I'm going with Cotto by KO.

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Rocky Juarez was dropped and almost stoped my Joe Morales(no punching power) but hung tough with Barerra because he improved. green has become a better fighter since that fight and Miranda has become a better fighter since the Eastman fight. Green has all the tools but Miranda has all the power. But skill beats power if Green is as good as he's been, and Green is going to be the nautrally bigger fighter.

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:coolclick: my thweet thugar puth...but the fact remains...for all his tools...& his minor adjustments...not improvments...Green has never faced anyone as strong or willed as Miranda...Green has faltered to much lesser opposition.

Miranda has been in with Eastman & Abraham...& that speaks better than Greens.

But...you could be right...and you are back...so...hence the submission...& the click. :-*

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Me too babe...me too. :coolclick:

There has been a lot of talk about who will be the bigger guy in the ring tonight between Miranda and Green.
They both weighed in at 162lbs yesterday. Here's my prediction: Miranda 180lbs Green 172lbs
You might think Im crazy, but I really think there will be that much of a difference. Green is a vegaterian and will not gain too much overnight.

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There has been a lot of talk about who will be the bigger guy in the ring tonight between Miranda and Green.
They both weighed in at 162lbs yesterday. Here's my prediction: Miranda 180lbs Green 172lbs
You might think Im crazy, but I really think there will be that much of a difference. Green is a vegaterian and will not gain too much overnight.

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Green appears to be the taller guy...but taller aint bigger when you stack him against Miranda. Miranda's got a seemingly bigger frame.

Miranda was 170 in his last fight in the ring, i'd go for 175lbs tonight, and Green 170lbs. For me this is the most exciting match up on the HBO card, and equals Marquez v Vasquez for potential and unpredictability. Miranda and RM KO's for me. I can't wait, should be one beautiful night of boxing.

He was actually 174lbs in the ring with Gibbs but for this fight he weighed in 2lbs heavier and I have a feeling he will gain a few more pounds to be able to push Green around in the ring. He walks around at 190lbs+ and is ripped at that weight so at 180lbs he is still light enough for his body to have the speed he needs.

CC for the DRBR wack, and as I've quit drinking i fully expect you to put in the workmanlike beers for me. No glamour, just open, pour, drink, next beer. There's nothing flash or enjoyable about the DRBR, it is just a matter of putting your head down and drinking.

I'll try and stay up and see which way things go this evening, but most likely I'll be tucked up in bed again.

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CC for the DRBR wack, and as I've quit drinking i fully expect you to put in the workmanlike beers for me. No glamour, just open, pour, drink, next beer. There's nothing flash or enjoyable about the DRBR, it is just a matter of putting your head down and drinking.

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Quit drinkin huh?

Nothing wrong with that...

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Tucked in bed? Tucked in fwockin bed?!?!?!?

Now I can deal with a man bailing on his booze...there's good health involved in that decision...but sleeping through the matches?

That shit aint right. ;D ;)

Be that as it may... :coolclick:

Cotto vs Urkal is somewhat of a mismatch. Cotto should take care of business. Miranda vs Green is interesting. Green has good skills and power but I think Miranda will prevail by KO in the 5th or 6th round.

Edison Miranda Interview http://www.overhandright.com/Pantera...Interview.html

COTTO GONNA KTFO URKAL
GREEN GONNA KTFO MIRRANDA



now...


how the fuck is darchinian able to fight a guy with 14 fucking losses and still get put over by the fans?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!??!


there is an undefeated kratingdaengymn in his weightclass, also he isnt too far from pornsawans class, porsawan would DEVESTATE darchinian

i dislike darchinian and will watch hoping gabby jay lands a lucky shot >:mad >:mad >:mad

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He was actually 174lbs in the ring with Gibbs but for this fight he weighed in 2lbs heavier and I have a feeling he will gain a few more pounds to be able to push Green around in the ring. He walks around at 190lbs+ and is ripped at that weight so at 180lbs he is still light enough for his body to have the speed he needs.

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It's a good thing he's young, that seems to help a fighter who cuts a lot of weight because he's absolutly ripped, he could easily be a big Super Middleweight in the future, he's the closest thing to Chris Eubank ever, body type and everything. I'm a huge fan, and I think he'll flatten Green tonight.

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CC for the DRBR wack, and as I've quit drinking i fully expect you to put in the workmanlike beers for me. No glamour, just open, pour, drink, next beer. There's nothing flash or enjoyable about the DRBR, it is just a matter of putting your head down and drinking.

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Quit drinkin huh?

Nothing wrong with that...

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Tucked in bed? Tucked in fwockin bed?!?!?!?

Now I can deal with a man bailing on his booze...there's good health involved in that decision...but sleeping through the matches?

That S*** aint right. ;D ;)

Be that as it may... :coolclick:

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Much as I admire your skills to stay up to 5am because of boxing..... wait just one minute....

5am here is either midnight or 9pm over there. You ain't so tough Wacko. If you weren't 5 or 8 hours away I'd come over there and give you a slap. Sadly, I gotta get some sleep because I'm off mountain biking in the morning, but I will be checking the DRBR to ensure you're suitably wasted, otherwise there will be trouble. Yes....I will sulk!

I do this shit every fight weekend, it's what Sundays are for! I love it.

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Quit drinkin huh?

Nothing wrong with that...

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Tucked in bed? Tucked in fwockin bed?!?!?!?

Now I can deal with a man bailing on his booze...there's good health involved in that decision...but sleeping through the matches?

That S*** aint right. ;D ;)

Be that as it may... :coolclick:

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Much as I admire your skills to stay up to 5am because of boxing..... wait just one minute....

5am here is either midnight or 9pm over there. You ain't so tough Wacko. If you weren't 5 or 8 hours away I'd come over there and give you a slap. Sadly, I gotta get some sleep because I'm off mountain biking in the morning, but I will be checking the DRBR to ensure you're suitably wasted, otherwise there will be trouble. Yes....I will sulk!

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My daughter's birthday is tommorrow...so I'll probably only stay up until 3 in the morn this go round...but I am planning on a delayed coverage DRBR of the Marquez fight...so please...nobody post any results on that match. ;D

Holy Shit Alex Reymundo is hilarious! He's now on Sho.

If Marquez wins tonight does he get into the top 3 P4P? Maybe!