Re: Pernell Whitaker vs. Shane Mosley
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Right up till the mid 90's, Holyfield always put his punches together in twos and threes,
And Ali in his prime could put them together in fours and fives
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Ali slapped alot of his punches, never mind just the jab.
Yet he managed to slap the crap out of Sonny Liston to take the title, slapped Patterson until he was out on his feet, slapped George Foreman to the canvas, and slapped Joe Frazier's face to the point where his eyes were completely shut.
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P.S dont even bother with the George Foreman comparison because we all know Foreman was gassed by the time he was KO'ed plus he paid much MUCH more attention to his guard as a fat man :P
If Foreman had fought the prime Ali, he would've been completely gassed by the 5th round instead of lasting until the 8th, because if he was fighting prime Ali, he would've been chasing around the fastest heavyweight in history.
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
i guess since everyone is only talking a bout holy not being able to beat ali..means that every one concedes that lennox knocks him the F*** out.....
overrated ali....self proclaimed greatest doesn't make it so....
Just don't include me with everyone, I think a prime Ali gives a boxing lesson to Holyfield, Lewis, or any other heavyweight for that matter.
Self-proclaimed greatest? It ain't bragging when you back it up....
P.S. How does a Pernell Whitaker-Shane Mosley thread turn into a Holyfield/Ali/Tyson debate. lol
Re: Pernell Whitaker vs. Shane Mosley
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Right up till the mid 90's, Holyfield always put his punches together in twos and threes,
And Ali in his prime could put them together in fours and fives
Not for 3 minutes a round for 12 or 15 rounds though. (Without slapping/ pawing or what ever the fuck he was doing in the 1st fraizer fight ;D )
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Ali slapped alot of his punches, never mind just the jab.
Yet he managed to slap the crap out of Sonny Liston to take the title, slapped Patterson until he was out on his feet, slapped George Foreman to the canvas, and slapped Joe Frazier's face to the point where his eyes were completely shut.
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Come on, Liston was past it, Paterson was a joke anyway, plus he was old and had a bad back ::**
And Fraizer was never exactly hard to hit or mark up.
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P.S dont even bother with the George Foreman comparison because we all know Foreman was gassed by the time he was KO'ed plus he paid much MUCH more attention to his guard as a fat man :P
If Foreman had fought the prime Ali, he would've been completely gassed by the 5th round instead of lasting until the 8th, because if he was fighting prime Ali, he would've been chasing around the fastest heavyweight in history.
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Fair point. Damn you! :P
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
i guess since everyone is only talking a bout holy not being able to beat ali..means that every one concedes that lennox knocks him the F*** out.....
overrated ali....self proclaimed greatest doesn't make it so....
Just don't include me with everyone, I think a prime Ali gives a boxing lesson to Holyfield, Lewis, or any other heavyweight for that matter.
Self-proclaimed greatest? It ain't bragging when you back it up....
P.S. How does a Pernell Whitaker-Shane Mosley thread turn into a Holyfield/Ali/Tyson debate. lol
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;D i dunno, i have this affect some times
Re: Pernell Whitaker vs. Shane Mosley
Joe Lous fought a blown up Billy Conn who gave him troubles, and Ezzard Charles was great at lower weights, but he never had the power to compete with a true heavyweight, and didn't even have all that much power at LHW, and his fight against ARchie Moore was special both of whom are ATG's, but not at heavyweight. The rest of the guys were fodder even Walcott who would be the best after the Aforementioned
Castillo-Mayweather wasn't close at all, and Castillo was given credit for about half of his punches iwth ones that never connected, and I watched at slow mo to make sure for 4-5 rounds and he would land 3 shots, and they would give him 8.
About Kid Gavilan. I think he's overrated I've seen a few of his fights, and I've been terribly impressed with him. He's good, but not an ATG. When I first saw Azumah Nelson a few days ago again I knew instantly he was good, but the same thing hasn't happened with Gavilan.
Prime Mike Tyson didn't have real competition thats why Michael Spinks and Larry Holmes both got KO'ed sure they were big names, but they weren't really competition, and nothing compared what Mayweather has faced, at least Holmes that point in his career wasn't.
Who ranks Lewis high anyway? The rest of the non-american world. He gives Ali, Holmes, and prime Tyson fits at least, and beats Marciano, Frazier, Holyfield, and Louis on their best day. When Lewis was about 27-28 he was very fast, powerful, and skilled not to mention 6'5 and 230pounds.
Re: Pernell Whitaker vs. Shane Mosley
Also I guarrantee RJJ would beat 25 of the 29 guys you have ahead of him p4p everytime. There is a very small fraction of ATG's that would give RJJ troubles in the least.
Where do you get De Jesus or Buchanan being better than Castillo, Corrales, and Casamayor? That just seems like opinion without foundation to me.
ODLH, B-Hop, and Winky all beat Trinidad with three different types of foot movement, but they all kept him from comming forward how he likes to by moving to his right. ODLH moved the whole fight he just didn't run until the end, and theres a difference. People say PBF is running yet he is able to counter at any moment, and that's different.
About Corrales-Trinidad. Corrales fought a much better mover in Mayweather gave him troubles, Mayweather is way faster p4p, and way smarter than either B-Hop at that point or ODLH at any point. Corrales was able to box with Casamayor who is a very, very good boxer, and he was able to fight on the inside with Castillo who is a far better inside fighter than Vargas, or anyone else who fought Trinidad on the inside. Trinidad had illegal wraps, and since not being able to use them he hasn't had all that much power at all in last few fights. Hell ODLH was able to knock down Mayorga with a head shot while Trinidad had to go to the body to ko him. Corrales has always shown top notch power, and half the time he was comming in totally drained.
