Re: Uh oh, Floyd slipped up!!!
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Originally Posted by zhubin
At this point of their careers...Oscar has a much better case for being mentioned with the greats than Floyd does. At the end of the day...you have to look at a fighters resume. I don't care how skilled Floyd is...he simply has not fought GREAT competition. Lets see...Oscar has fought Mosley, Trinidad, Hopkins, a prime Vargas (who was on steroids by the way!), a prime Quartey, etc. He won some of these fights and he lost some...but bottom line is...he stepped up and fought GREAT fighters. Add to that...he is mega popular. The best fighter Floyd has faced is Castillo...and with all due respect...i don't consider Castillo a truly great fighter. Otherwise...Floyd's recent and much hyped victories are over Gatti?! Brussels?! Mitchell?! Judah?! and Baldomir?! All this is not to downplay Floyd's tremendous skill...but right now...he is no where close to being considered an all time great. Oscar will always have haters. But the proof is in the pudding: he is mega popular, a great business man, and he has faced great opposition in the ring. That is a lot more than you can say for Floyd.
Who is there for Mayweather to face? If you don't consider Castillo a truly great fighter, then there is no way you would find Margarito a great fighter. Oscar had Trinidad, Whitaker, Carr, Quartey and all those others to face. Floyd didn't. But he's only 29 and he has plenty of time after this fight to fight some of the better fighters out there.
Re: Uh oh, Floyd slipped up!!!
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Originally Posted by amat
Yeah Floyd won't be as big of a draw as Oscar. Oscar is huge. The Mexicans are driving the boxing fan base in North America right now and Oscar has a bigger Mexican draw then any fighter not named Julio Cesar Chavez.
How big a fighter is seldome equates to being how great that fighter was. Oscar was a very good fighter, and was very popular. It ends there.
Re: Uh oh, Floyd slipped up!!!
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
Floyd can't get the spotlight like Oscar & will never be as big of a draw as Oscar plain and simple!
That is possibly the most inane statement Ive ever heard and supported by not even a single argument. ::**
Why is that an insane statement? You think Floyd will be as big of a star as DLH was some day? I don't really see it.. DLH was really a big star because he had the looks and came across as very well mannered and soft spoken.. Floyd may become alot more popular then he is if he can impressivly win this fight, but I think it's perfectly safe to say he'll never be as big a draw as Oscar...
Did I not say inane? ::** :-\
oops... hehe. My bad.
Re: Uh oh, Floyd slipped up!!!
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
Floyd can't get the spotlight like Oscar & will never be as big of a draw as Oscar plain and simple!
That is possibly the most inane statement Ive ever heard and supported by not even a single argument. ::**
Why is that an insane statement? You think Floyd will be as big of a star as DLH was some day? I don't really see it.. DLH was really a big star because he had the looks and came across as very well mannered and soft spoken.. Floyd may become alot more popular then he is if he can impressivly win this fight, but I think it's perfectly safe to say he'll never be as big a draw as Oscar...
Did I not say inane? ::** :-\
oops... hehe. My bad.
I do use awkward words on occasion. :coolclick:
Re: Uh oh, Floyd slipped up!!!
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by amat
Yeah Floyd won't be as big of a draw as Oscar. Oscar is huge. The Mexicans are driving the boxing fan base in North America right now and Oscar has a bigger Mexican draw then any fighter not named Julio Cesar Chavez.
How big a fighter is seldome equates to being how great that fighter was. Oscar was a very good fighter, and was very popular. It ends there.
Floyd is a talented fighter who is not popular. It ends there. So please, no non sense about "all time greats."
Amat, whether Floyd's lack of great opposition has been his fault or not...is debatable. But until he fights great fighters...people need to come back down to earth and stop claiming that he is an "all time great."
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
Floyd can't get the spotlight like Oscar & will never be as big of a draw as Oscar plain and simple!
That's all fine, but Oscar will never be named one of the elite fighters in the sport, he'll never be compared to Hagler or Leonard or SRR or anything like that. It's funny because Floyd, with all his talent, honestly, just wants to be a fan favorite and the most popular. Oscar, with all his popularity, would kill for a chance to be P4P and compared to the greats.
He will be if he beats Floyd Mayweather......
Re: Uh oh, Floyd slipped up!!!
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Originally Posted by zhubin
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by amat
Yeah Floyd won't be as big of a draw as Oscar. Oscar is huge. The Mexicans are driving the boxing fan base in North America right now and Oscar has a bigger Mexican draw then any fighter not named Julio Cesar Chavez.
How big a fighter is seldome equates to being how great that fighter was. Oscar was a very good fighter, and was very popular. It ends there.
Floyd is a talented fighter who is not popular. It ends there. So please, no non sense about "all time greats."
Amat, whether Floyd's lack of great opposition has been his fault or not...is debatable. But until he fights great fighters...people need to come back down to earth and stop claiming that he is an "all time great."
Actually....I think Oscar will be compared to SRL more then anyone. Not the most fights but almost all of them were huge fights. Been on the beneficiary end of a few shaky decisions. Immensely talented crossover stars, who both have gold medals. When I think DLH compared to anyone it's SRL.
Re: Uh oh, Floyd slipped up!!!
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Originally Posted by zhubin
At this point of their careers...Oscar has a much better case for being mentioned with the greats than Floyd does. At the end of the day...you have to look at a fighters resume. I don't care how skilled Floyd is...he simply has not fought GREAT competition. Lets see...Oscar has fought Mosley, Trinidad, Hopkins, a prime Vargas (who was on steroids by the way!), a prime Quartey, etc. He won some of these fights and he lost some...but bottom line is...he stepped up and fought GREAT fighters. Add to that...he is mega popular. The best fighter Floyd has faced is Castillo...and with all due respect...i don't consider Castillo a truly great fighter. Otherwise...Floyd's recent and much hyped victories are over Gatti?! Brussels?! Mitchell?! Judah?! and Baldomir?! All this is not to downplay Floyd's tremendous skill...but right now...he is no where close to being considered an all time great. Oscar will always have haters. But the proof is in the pudding: he is mega popular, a great business man, and he has faced great opposition in the ring. That is a lot more than you can say for Floyd.
Heres cc#35 Very well said :appl:
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Considering a new thread pops up everytime Floyd says something outrageous at one of these press conferences, I'd say his (and DLH's) plan is working perfectly.
You guys do realize that the whole point of these press conferences is to say outrageous things that will get the fans talking, right?
Might get people talking but I can't see it winning him many fans. I dread to think what sort of stuff he will be coming out with nearer the fight because he is making a right nugget of himself already :P
Press conferences are about making money, it has nothing to do with winning fans.
If both guys got up there and kissed each other's a**, maybe they'd win some fans because people would say, "Wow they seem like such nice guys.."
But no one would be talking about it and they wouldn't be hyping the fight at all.
I'm not directing this to you personally, but it surprises me how many fans don't understand at all what the purposes of a press tour are.
Surely you can have a successful press conference without making a tit of yourself though.....
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Re: Uh oh, Floyd slipped up!!!
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
Floyd can't get the spotlight like Oscar & will never be as big of a draw as Oscar plain and simple!
That's all fine, but Oscar will never be named one of the elite fighters in the sport, he'll never be compared to Hagler or Leonard or SRR or anything like that. It's funny because Floyd, with all his talent, honestly, just wants to be a fan favorite and the most popular. Oscar, with all his popularity, would kill for a chance to be P4P and compared to the greats.
He will be if he beats Floyd Mayweather......
Very possible Bilbo. I think that if Oscar wins then it means much more to his career than it means to Floyd's career if he wins. If Oscar wins he beat a PRIME UNDEFEATED #1 P4P boxer at 34 years old, if Floyd wins, then he beat a Hall of Fame, but 34 year old Oscar with 4 losses on his record already.
Re: Uh oh, Floyd slipped up!!!
Oscar is and ATG if for no other reason than who he fought,and what he's done for boxing. He's giving it back to the fighters and fans, all the while lining his own pockets with a nice chunk of change.
Re: Uh oh, Floyd slipped up!!!
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
I don't know man, Roach and DLH sounds like a great combination to beat someone like Floyd. He's favourite yes, and I think he could win, but I can see Floyd losing.
Floyd could lose, but its doubtful. Oscar is inactive. He was inactive before Mayorga too. Floyd is no Mayorga. This should be a text book performance from Floyd as Oscar reaches into retirement and continued promoter glory
Roach is not that great. I do not think any trainer really makes that much of a difference. Freddy Roach is good but there are alot of guys who are just as good. It is like alot of things, great trainers come and go and they are talked up and then they dissapear. Remember how people thought Georgie Benton was good? Roach is a good trainer but his advice will not change much. I know alot of people mention Angelo Dundee and Leonard in the Hearns fight, but that had more to do with Hearns wearing out then with Ray coming on. Ray came on when he hurt Tommy, but before that in round 13 he was aggressive but not exactly throwing alot. He caught an exhausted young Tommy Hearns.
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Originally Posted by miles
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I don't know man, Roach and DLH sounds like a great combination to beat someone like Floyd. He's favourite yes, and I think he could win, but I can see Floyd losing.
Floyd could lose, but its doubtful. Oscar is inactive. He was inactive before Mayorga too. Floyd is no Mayorga. This should be a text book performance from Floyd as Oscar reaches into retirement and continued promoter glory
Roach is not that great.
I do not think any trainer really makes that much of a difference. Freddy Roach is good but there are alot of guys who are just as good. It is like alot of things, great trainers come and go and they are talked up and then they dissapear. Remember how people thought Georgie Benton was good? Roach is a good trainer but his advice will not change much. I know alot of people mention Angelo Dundee and Leonard in the Hearns fight, but that had more to do with Hearns wearing out then with Ray coming on. Ray came on when he hurt Tommy, but before that in round 13 he was aggressive but not exactly throwing alot. He caught an exhausted young Tommy Hearns.
for a boxer the trainer is the most important person he will ever have in his life . , a fighter is only as good as the people he has around him , make no mistake !
