Marquez would embarrass Hamed.
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Marquez would embarrass Hamed.
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It's nothing Hamed isn't already used to doing himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samson3000
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I should sad click you all for taking my post/thread so seriously ;D
naz ducked jmm for a reason...
even ask naz trainer stewart, he'll even tell you they wanted no part of jmm. kuz jmm would of whoop naz badly.
Think some of you have forgot how good Naz was and lets not forget he had been slipping abit before Barrera not boxing just wanting a fight and a ko
Stewart wasn't keen on Barrera after he saw him fight Salud he said himself they would have to rely on punch power & weird angles. JMM would have put on a clinic just the same as he was sticking with his counter punching style at that point and that's what won the fight.
Damn, I should sad click myself now :-\ ;D
Is MAB going to Gaol? how else will they fight?
What?
Biker is from the victorian era.
or an Aussie
;D
holy crap this almost got 1000 views :o
If JMM would have caught Naz with that right hand that JMM did Naz would have gone down and not gotten up.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
OK.... so what does that mean???
Those are just 2 IF's........
What isn't a IF is the FACT that the fight was offered and turned down by Naz.
The thing is that Barrera outboxed NAZ, then Marquez outboxed Barrera. A well skilled defensive boxer can almost nullify a speed advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
JMM UD
well skilled defensive boxer that got hit 250 times ??? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Well you knew we'd have to disagree again eventually.
250 times over 12 rounds just over 20 times per round isn't so bad against Barrera.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Thats now....Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
But surely you'll agree he was younger, stronger and even more effective then he is today when the fight was suppose to come off.
When he was younger he may have had skill to burn, but he didnt use it as well as he does now, I'd say he wasn't as experienced in those situations and wasn't in his prime(like he is now), mental prime is wonderful too and just because you're younger and stronger at 25 doesnt mean to me you're a better fighter then you are at 31, know what I mean? I think he's much much much better now then he was back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I think the JMM now would have a better shot against Hamed then the Marquez of 7 or 6 years ago. Agreed?
the jmm of 7 or 6 years ago was way faster and barely got hit, he counter with ease and made easy work of his oppenents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
naz of then or today would have had zero chance against jmm of then or today.
all time jmm whoops all time naz and makes him look foolish.
Wait, but you just finished ripping into the fact that 'todays' JMM got hit 250 times....Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I can assure you the JMM from that time would not get hit 250 times against anyone....
Anyway... as I keep repeating the fight was turned down by Naz and in my books that makes JMM the winner of this hypothetical match up by default...
Thats just my opinion....
You know BoxingGod I actually agree with you on this here....Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGod
I know, but that was my response to the poster saying he was a defensive master or something(my response was him getting hit multiple times)Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
But by that(and this time) he had already went through all his trials of fire(Pacquiao, John etc) and he fine tuned all those things about himself and became a better and more experienced fighter. Do you get what I'm saying? If you don't I'll try to say it better. Marquez years ago in my opinion isn't a better fighter then he is now. That's just my opinion though.
I see what you mean Majesty.... :)
which weight class would they fight in???? hamed is still dangerous tho.. u saw his last fight.. he destroyed..... his car
That is because he purely counters. thats his problem againts norwood and to a certain degree againts the 'running man'. he's added an attack mode in his arsenal. he maybe stronger and faster then but he attacks better nowQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGod
AGREED :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGod
I think so too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
he needs a pure brawler to shine when he was younger. now he can deal with boxer-puncher/ counter punchers and of course his specialty againts pure attackers like pac. ( PAC kayoes him though if they meet again :D )
I think Marquez' style of old would actually suit him better against Nas than this new version we saw against Barrera
Marquez much easier to hit and he marks up alot . Nas didnt need to land that many to get you going plus if Pac and Barrera drop Marquez , then Nas stood a great chance . Barrera is believed to be more of a natural brawler than Marquez , with Juan being the natural boxer but in the fight Barrera landed more , got hit less so if Nas in his prime fought this version of JMM theres a good chance he'd be able to land his bombs like he wasnt really able to against Barrera
Don't know why some of you think Naz would get ko'd when the times Naz got knocked down his bum had only just touched canvas and he were up flash knock downs thats all i never felt he would get knocked out Barrera never even looked like knocking him down nevermind out
Soz to the seppo's. Gaol = Jail. Anyway....................Quote:
Originally Posted by bikersk
JMM wins IMO he has too much to contend with for someone like Naz who doesn't offer much throughout a lengthy bout which i feeel was evident in the MAB fight.
brawling type JMM might get hurt but JMM in the PAC fight goes out unscathe and humiliates NAZ.
If Naz put Marquez on the floor in the first
the fight would of ended in the first.
Could'nt agree moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Agreed completely if Hamed put you down you were out very soon after, if you weren't by then. That Said Lawal fight still has me like this :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
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That was only his second fight at featherweight right after winning the title right ???
Still can't believe he broke his nose in 3 places with that ONE PUNCH!!! :o
Again with the IF'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
IF my grandma had wheelh she'd be a bike.... ;D
I won't stop repeating this...
The fight was offered to Naz and it was turned down by Naz.
What does that tell you?
Well I don't know about all that ? every person reacts different to shots. Marquez like Barrera has a warrior mentality, they are not so easily dismantled , especially when facing someone like Naz who would motivate the fighterthroughblatant disrespect and arrogance.. A good solid Mexican fighter will have none of that shit this I can promise ! Anyway Naz wanted no part Marquez. Naz Publicly admitted to dodging him,.. I just finished watching the documentary “ Little Prince Big fight” what a cocky little cunt Naz was ! Good riddance I say,Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Hatton now that is a British fighter that has all the intangibles to make a Country proud ! Funny as hell, nice respectful outside the ring, and monstrous fury inside the ring .
That Naz was very smart on his quest to amass his £30m ring earnings fortune ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Saying Naz would of knocked out Marquez is no different to saying Marquez would of knocked out Naz. It's all bollocks! NO-ONE will ever KNOW...it's fun to wonder though, right ;)
I agree, and he did this because?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Here I'll tell you in his own words & accent.....
he knew "he gon get knocked out bwoy" 8)
Nah, Allah would never let that happen to him
Didn't Marquez lose to Norwood around the time he could of fought Naz? A fight between them was mooted at one point, wasn't it?
Marquez (his team) are pretty notorious for making bad decisions, aren't they?
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
JMM was preparing and had been preparing for Naz cause they really thought they were gonna get the fight....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Instead they were turned down and about 2 months later the fight with Freddie came about.....
No excuses from ME he lost and thats that.... JMM states that he was disgruntled and upset that the Prince had turned down a fight with him and was gutted only to see MAB get a shot at him and beat Naz.....
Whatever the case maybe wether for Naz looking at it from money perspective or us debating the outcome what is a fact is that it was turned down by Naz and no one can argue that....
For the sake of the arguement; If I walk up to you and tell you let's throw some leather around and you say no I don't wanna fight you.
What do you think the message says there when you turn down a fight?
Get my point. Now all this money talk thats great he made the money but all that money will NEVER buy him the respect of being a GREAT champion. Which is what a lot of people (mostly in the UK) claim him to be. I don't argue he was one of the UKs GREATS but what I do argue is when people match him up with fighters who have withstood the hands of time and have fought some of the best fighters in the world and then they say "Naz would knock him out" come now... Thats like cleaning you your a$$ before you take a sh*t, it don't make no sense.....
Yeah! fwocken 'Nacho' Beristein man GREAT trainer I mean Mexicos best but what was he thinking? I also blame both the Marquez bros. for actually thinking it was a good idea to have him as a Manager it can't help it but feel thats good they learned their lesson the hard way and got assed out of not only money but from some great fights....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
It's a lesson to be learned.....
In retrospect I agree, Marquez being the mandatory for the amount of time he was without getting the fight is wrong, and that obviously reads as though Naz outright ducked him, but to be fair Marquez was a nobody back then. And wouldn't it have been the other way round - Naz offering Marquez a fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
And it's perfectly reasonable to think Naz could of beat Marquez. Whether you like him or not he was one of the best featherweights of his era. Whilst he was the WBO champ he beat the IBF, WBC and WBA champs. When Marquez did get his shot at a title he failed miserably. Marquez has been hurt/floored plenty of times. And surely you can't deny Naz had the power to KO/hurt him?
The thing is, part of what hurts Naz most is he never fought one single good fight in America. But fighting away from home isn't easy, as numerous "great" fighters have found out in the past, including Marquez, and why even more great fighters NEVER leave their backyard. ;)
Great points all around..... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster