Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds...Cotto vs Judah.

I'm thinking Zab will give Cotto some very hard early couple of rounds, If Cotto survives that... He will stop Zab by Ko.

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Originally Posted by Eli_jr24

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Originally Posted by miles

I still say Zab has the tools to make Cotto look amateurish on the way to an impressive upset win! 8)

Win, lose or draw its gonna be a corker....

Boxing is having a pretty good time of late...we musnt grumble or groan about some of the fights we have on the cards!! :D

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I can't believe you said this!! There is only one fighter that both Judah and Cotto have both met and he goes by the name of Dermacus Corley. The fight was really close and Judah won out a Split Decision. Cotto on the other hand, Well .......he just f*****!! him up!! So if anybody has skillz here he goes by the name of Miguel Cotto!! He's got the skillz to box and has the skillz to slug!! oh, and hits hard to the body as well!! After this fight is over, and Cotto dominates Judah...Everyone is going to be putting Cotto's name up there w/ the best at 147!

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about Corley...

if by "Cotto just f***** him up!!" you mean that Cotto got tagged hard and almost got knocked out that fight , then yea your right. That fight is a negative for Cotto imo, it showed he has a bit of trouble with southpaw slicksters. The fight had a terrible stoppage aswell .

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by miles

I still say Zab has the tools to make Cotto look amateurish on the way to an impressive upset win! 8)

Win, lose or draw its gonna be a corker....

Boxing is having a pretty good time of late...we musnt grumble or groan about some of the fights we have on the cards!! :D

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There is NO WAY Zab can make Cotto look amateurish?! Cotto is overall,the more rounded fighter so even if Zab does win,I doubt Miguel will look amateurish!

You're right about the great fights though,we have been spoilt this year sofar and plenty more to come!

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This is why I love boxing. So many contrasting opinions about any one fight. Malignaggi took a beating off Cotto, but was able to box and move effectively for a number of rounds. Malignaggi has NO power. Zab has better tools than Malignaggi, greater experience and actually has power. There are question marks about Cottos chin and its only his second bout at welterweight.....

I stand by my statement :)

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Originally Posted by Eli_jr24

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Originally Posted by miles

I still say Zab has the tools to make Cotto look amateurish on the way to an impressive upset win! 8)

Win, lose or draw its gonna be a corker....

Boxing is having a pretty good time of late...we musnt grumble or groan about some of the fights we have on the cards!! :D

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I can't believe you said this!! There is only one fighter that both Judah and Cotto have both met and he goes by the name of Dermacus Corley. The fight was really close and Judah won out a Split Decision. Cotto on the other hand, Well .......he just f*****!! him up!! So if anybody has skillz here he goes by the name of Miguel Cotto!! He's got the skillz to box and has the skillz to slug!! oh, and hits hard to the body as well!! After this fight is over, and Cotto dominates Judah...Everyone is going to be putting Cotto's name up there w/ the best at 147!

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Well you had better believe it that I said it because I did indeed say just that. Zab Judah is the best opponent Cotto has faced to date. Im not a huge Judah fan but do believe he has the tools neccessary to give Cotto one heck of a fight.

Any one has the vid from las nite i missed it.. id rather not wait till 730 .. let me kno

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by amat

What do you disagree with there? I think that is pretty much the truth. Pressure breaks down Judah, so does power. Judah has a chance early is what everyone believes, but when was the last time Judah got KO'd anyone of any merit in the opening rounds. Never.

I think you're being a little to scepticle of Cotto Wack to be honest. I think Cotto is the better fighter and I think the style favors Miguel Cotto.

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Oh tighten up your F****** panties amat!

Please.

All I am saying is that Cotto aint a fwockin god & he aint a human terminator...not matter what his fans want to say...& I'm one of em!

Again...let me state that I aint a fan of Judah nor am I buying in to what Judah says...I never listen to him when he starts bumping his gums. The problem with most fans is that they don't broaden their gotdam horizons & factor in the possibilities that there fighter can & will get beaten.

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Precisely, my old friend. CC # 2951. I'm as big a fan as they come of my favorite fighters (a.k.a. Tito, and now Cotto). But I've always tried to maintain a realistic outlook on their chances against certain opponents. Like I've said many times before, there's a difference between wanting a fighter to win, and predicting he's going to win. When they're one and the same.... GREAT. But sometimes they're not.

I can't stand Judah and hope with all my heart that Cotto shuts that big mouth of his. But I'm also realistic in the sense that a focused Judah has the tools to make this a good and dangerous fight for Cotto. He's a southpaw (difficult for many right-handers), he's fast, and he packs a punch. Cotto's no slouch, obviously. And if he minds his defense in the first few rounds, he should have no problems in the middle to later rounds. But the danger exists.

Look how frustrated Cotto got with Urkal in PR in his last fight. Now Zab isnt going to be leading with his head but if he keeps on the move he's got the speed and power to really get inside cotto's head. If Zab's timing/speed caused some trouble for Mayweather..it could really mess with cotto.

Cotto always comes forward with the body attack. It has always worked for him but he gets frustrated when it doesnt work and has nothing to fall back on.

If Judah times cotto coming in ala Malignaggi did once he started to fight smart then cotto will be picked apart. The only thing I worry about is judah coming out too strong...if he brings patience, keeps moving, and keeps distance I like his chances.

I voted Judah via TKO. Judah knows this is his do or die fight.

If judah is goin to win is goin he has to hurt cotto in da early rounds, if he doesnt he is in trouble becasue cotto hits hard and will pressure him and body punch to death, and well judah has no heart i think he has great skills but his chin and lack of heart hurt him.
if judah was in ""fight nights round 3" he would have something like
94% speed
86% power
and like 65% heart

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by amat

What do you disagree with there? I think that is pretty much the truth. Pressure breaks down Judah, so does power. Judah has a chance early is what everyone believes, but when was the last time Judah got KO'd anyone of any merit in the opening rounds. Never.

I think you're being a little to scepticle of Cotto Wack to be honest. I think Cotto is the better fighter and I think the style favors Miguel Cotto.

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Oh tighten up your F****** panties amat!

Please.

All I am saying is that Cotto aint a fwockin god & he aint a human terminator...not matter what his fans want to say...& I'm one of em!

Again...let me state that I aint a fan of Judah nor am I buying in to what Judah says...I never listen to him when he starts bumping his gums. The problem with most fans is that they don't broaden their gotdam horizons & factor in the possibilities that there fighter can & will get beaten.

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Precisely, my old friend. CC # 2951. I'm as big a fan as they come of my favorite fighters (a.k.a. Tito, and now Cotto). But I've always tried to maintain a realistic outlook on their chances against certain opponents. Like I've said many times before, there's a difference between wanting a fighter to win, and predicting he's going to win. When they're one and the same.... GREAT. But sometimes they're not.

I can't stand Judah and hope with all my heart that Cotto shuts that big mouth of his. But I'm also realistic in the sense that a focused Judah has the tools to make this a good and dangerous fight for Cotto. He's a southpaw (difficult for many right-handers), he's fast, and he packs a punch. Cotto's no slouch, obviously. And if he minds his defense in the first few rounds, he should have no problems in the middle to later rounds. But the danger exists.

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:coolclick: right back babe.

Here's the deal...I hate Judah...with a passion...but he is a great fighter when & if he applies himself.

He has all the tools to beat Cotto. He's fast, powerful, & comes at you from all angles when he's motivated...let's just hope he aint motivated for this fight like he keeps proclaiming.

That being said...I hope that Cotto destroys him & crams those tools up Judah's poop-chute, though.

Both of them will test each others chin.

After watching HBO Cotto-Judah countdown, Zab gets stupid everytime someone knocks him down. He gets up right away while wobbling and doesn't give the ref a chance to do the 8 count.

I admire Cotto's recovery everytime he gets rocked.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by amat

What do you disagree with there? I think that is pretty much the truth. Pressure breaks down Judah, so does power. Judah has a chance early is what everyone believes, but when was the last time Judah got KO'd anyone of any merit in the opening rounds. Never.

I think you're being a little to scepticle of Cotto Wack to be honest. I think Cotto is the better fighter and I think the style favors Miguel Cotto.

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Oh tighten up your fuckin panties amat!

Please.

All I am saying is that Cotto aint a fwockin god & he aint a human terminator...not matter what his fans want to say...& I'm one of em!

Again...let me state that I aint a fan of Judah nor am I buying in to what Judah says...I never listen to him when he starts bumping his gums. The problem with most fans is that they don't broaden their gotdam horizons & factor in the possibilities that there fighter can & will get beaten.

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I was just wondering, because I pretty much agreed to the tee. And I know Cotto is no super man, but honestly, this is the Judah that Carlos Baldomir beat and Raphael Pineda got the short end of the stick against. There are a few who I would favor against Cotto, Judah just isn't one of them.

I wouldn't even call myself so much of a Cotto fan as a Judah detractor ;D

But really, I thought his assessment was on point and that's all I was making note of. I know Judah has power and speed, but I don't think he has much of a killer instinct, and really, the only way I see Cotto getting KO'd is if it's with one punch. Which is always a possibility but impossible to predict.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Damn, I was thinking the fight was tonight.

Either way, I assume Zab will do what he's known to do, look good early and then gradually fade and break down. You would think a guy like Zab would be hell on pressure fighters but he's just not, he just mentally breaks down and has too many flaws like pulling straight back with his hands down. Mainly I think its just a mental breakdown though, he just doesn't know what to do when a guy takes his shots and keeps coming. Its not surprising that his best performance was against a slick boxer with no punch. Still I wouldn't be shocked if he stopped Cotto early, I still am not convinced about Cotto's chin and defence, but I'll go with Cotto to break him down, late stoppage.

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I pretty much agree, especially about the mental flaws thing. It's amazing, never seen a fighter at such a high level make the mistakes a prospect coming up would make and pay for them on such a regular basis. I know Judah's only lost 4 times, but it seems he's been broke down following the pressure pattern on a regular basis since the Tszyu loss. And that's without really holding the Mayweather fight against him.

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Originally Posted by amat

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by amat

What do you disagree with there? I think that is pretty much the truth. Pressure breaks down Judah, so does power. Judah has a chance early is what everyone believes, but when was the last time Judah got KO'd anyone of any merit in the opening rounds. Never.

I think you're being a little to scepticle of Cotto Wack to be honest. I think Cotto is the better fighter and I think the style favors Miguel Cotto.

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Oh tighten up your F****** panties amat!

Please.

All I am saying is that Cotto aint a fwockin god & he aint a human terminator...not matter what his fans want to say...& I'm one of em!

Again...let me state that I aint a fan of Judah nor am I buying in to what Judah says...I never listen to him when he starts bumping his gums. The problem with most fans is that they don't broaden their gotdam horizons & factor in the possibilities that there fighter can & will get beaten.

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I was just wondering, because I pretty much agreed to the tee. And I know Cotto is no super man, but honestly, this is the Judah that Carlos Baldomir beat and Raphael Pineda got the short end of the stick against. There are a few who I would favor against Cotto, Judah just isn't one of them.

I wouldn't even call myself so much of a Cotto fan as a Judah detractor ;D

But really, I thought his assessment was on point and that's all I was making note of. I know Judah has power and speed, but I don't think he has much of a killer instinct, and really, the only way I see Cotto getting KO'd is if it's with one punch. Which is always a possibility but impossible to predict.

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I had no problems with his assestment...it's just that, again, I don't see it as a walk in the park for Cotto...that's what I disagree with...not the entire post.

Judah WILL cause Cotto problems with his speed...unless ofcourse, Cotto just wacks him out in the first round.

First of all...this is going to be a great fight.

Second...HBO just goes all out with these "Countdown to's..."

Love the track, love the run downs, all of it...my only problem is that Countdown = PPV.

WTF?!?!?!

HAHAHAHAAH


sultan becomes HW champ and the very next week judah becomes WW champ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

HAHAHAHAAH


sultan becomes HW champ and the very next week judah becomes WW champ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The main difference is that this weekend the winner will be a fighter that doesn't completely 100% suck! ;D

My favorite part of every Zab fight:

Yoel in between rounds, yelling, "Zab, here's what you gotta do, son..... BAM BAM BOOM BOOM BAM BAM BAM BAM BOOM BOOM BOOM!!!"

The countdown is nearly over...just a few days to go!! ;D

This is potentially the FOTY!! 8)

Yeah i agree this could easily be FOTY and i think from the 1st bell we'll see fireworks from both men.
Can't stress enough though that Zab will be like nothing Cotto has faced before so it'll be interesting to see how he deals with Zab's speed.
Huge test for Cotto and we'll see if he really is in the elite come Saturday.
I wouldn't write Judah off though as he's well capable of winning this fight. ;)

Just found out that because i subcribe to Racing UK i get the cotto/Judah fight and the hatton fight in with my subcription, they are showing it at 1am sunday morning on Satanta 1 great news

I know I'm a little late on the draw here..... But its the same thing over and over when I dissect the variatables....

Cotto is a friggin Monster... He looks fantastic and ripped and well conditioned.. Cotto gets better everytime out, I dont put a ton of stock that he looked bad in the Urkal fight, simply because Oktay is a tough hombre with a head that doubles as a wreckin ball ;D who would give most a difficult time.....

Judah is a slimy little prik who is a fart in the wind and an underachiever if there ever has been one... But he has the goods and ability to be virtuoso on any given night speed, power, quickness and skill... But he has the attention span of a fruit fly and the heart of a squirrel..

I want Cotto to beat his azz into next week, but you cant discount Judah.. Cotto's chin is gonna be tested early and often, will it hold up? lets see..

Cotto is a great guy a humble and respectful warrior that the sport needs and appreciates.... Judah is well Judah he is as desirable as picking dogshit out of the waffle of my shoe ;D May the best man win, I just think it will be a hairy night for Cotto and a potential upset :-\

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

HAHAHAHAAH


sultan becomes HW champ and the very next week judah becomes WW champ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The main difference is that this weekend the winner will be a fighter that doesn't completely 100% suck! ;D

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>:mad

He looks in shape and got me wondering why all Cotto's videos of him training he is at a slow pace even sparring if he is always like that or just him acting out

http://boxing-pics.com/cotto_workout/cotto_work002.jpg

http://boxing-pics.com/cotto_workout/cotto_work005.jpg

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He looks in shape and got me wondering why all Cotto's videos of him training he is at a slow pace even sparring if he is always like that or just him acting out

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Cotto fights at a slower pace, IWO...but...BUT...he is so precise with the majority of what he throws...speed isn't always a factor for him.

:coolclick: Nice photos also.

This fight is based on 1 punch, Cotto left hook. If it does not land flush, he will walk in to to many straight rights, to many angles from Zab will create a lot of right hook opportunities and the fight for Zab will be much easier than anyone thinks.

Interesting how the poll is reflective of the odds (2 to 1 in favor of Cotto) with regards to who will win by TKO.

It fukin looks like I will have to work till 11 at night on Saturday and will miss seein the showdown live. So that sucks.
Anyway, not that anyone gives a damn, but I like both fighters, and am picking Zab Judah to win. I think his back is against the wall and he's comin into this one with something to prove. He'll be too quick and powrful for Cotto and stop him before 8 rounds are up. Maybe... 8)

Watching some old matches last night of Judah & Cotto to get my head into it...I came up with this.

IWO, Cotto is, while still unproven, on par with the Kostya that stopped Judah all those years ago.

If Cotto can remain focused then he could take Judah down because Judah aint the Judah of days gone by.

The only thing is...if Judah comes in focused...like he was against Floyd & keeps his head on straight...he's gonna be awfully slick & fast for someone of Cotto's pace...

In conclusion...apparently...after watching those tapes...I'm still at the point of which I started...I have no clue who the fwock to pick. :P

Even if he was focused against Mayweather and he wasn't all those other fights, he still shut down when he did his little ninja dance. I think that's the thing, I am willing to bet that the instant Cotto hurts Judah, Judah fails to win another round. Personally, I think it will come early.

I'm still saying Cotto by ko early-mid rounds and i put my fake money where my mouth is.

Cotto will win this fight. Judah will have trained harder than he ever has,will have prepared better than ever but once he feels Miguel's power,once he realises the size of the task at hand,he will crumble. He has crumbled v far lighter hitting opponents and I think the same will happen here. O

f course he will have his moments,someone as naturally gifted as Zab always will but I don't believe Zab has the capabilities to outbox Cotto.Not for the whole fight. When has Zab outboxed anyone for a whole fight in one of his major fights?

I thought a Cotto win in the 6th..... but as it gets closer..... I'm actually leaning to decision.
Judah can run afterall :).

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Cotto will win this fight. Judah will have trained harder than he ever has,will have prepared better than ever but once he feels Miguel's power,once he realises the size of the task at hand,he will crumble. He has crumbled v far lighter hitting opponents and I think the same will happen here. O

f course he will have his moments,someone as naturally gifted as Zab always will but I don't believe Zab has the capabilities to outbox Cotto.Not for the whole fight. When has Zab outboxed anyone for a whole fight in one of his major fights?

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Me and you have basically agreed on the fight since day 1. Haven't found a post on the topic I disagree with. Not only has Zab not outboxed anyone of note for a full fight since he MAYBE did it to Corley, but he hasn't stopped anyone of note either. He's looked good early, but that's about it. I really don't expect the cards to be anything close then 116-112. I think Cotto is going to dominate. There is a possibility he could take Judah's legs away, but I agree with Gyrokai, Judah knows how to run.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Cotto will win this fight. Judah will have trained harder than he ever has,will have prepared better than ever but once he feels Miguel's power,once he realises the size of the task at hand,he will crumble. He has crumbled v far lighter hitting opponents and I think the same will happen here. O

f course he will have his moments,someone as naturally gifted as Zab always will but I don't believe Zab has the capabilities to outbox Cotto.Not for the whole fight. When has Zab outboxed anyone for a whole fight in one of his major fights?

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I agree with this. But I picked Judah UD after 12. Not the most rational pick. But somehow I think Zab is gonna rise above himself and deserve all that talent for once. Doubtful, of course, which is why I didn't bet a whole lot on it. :)

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Cotto will win this fight. Judah will have trained harder than he ever has,will have prepared better than ever but once he feels Miguel's power,once he realises the size of the task at hand,he will crumble. He has crumbled v far lighter hitting opponents and I think the same will happen here. O

f course he will have his moments,someone as naturally gifted as Zab always will but I don't believe Zab has the capabilities to outbox Cotto.Not for the whole fight. When has Zab outboxed anyone for a whole fight in one of his major fights?

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I agree with this. But I picked Judah UD after 12. Not the most rational pick. But somehow I think Zab is gonna rise above himself and deserve all that talent for once. Doubtful, of course, which is why I didn't bet a whole lot on it. :)

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I can't argue with that. In the Sportsbook here on the forums Judah is a 3-1 underdog. That's very good money for someone with the explosiveness from Judah.

Thought I'd post this....


Fightnews Poll
Who will win the June 9 welterweight title clash between Miguel Cotto and Zab Judah?


Cotto by KO 58%
Cotto by decision 13%
Judah by KO 20%
Judah decision 9%

Yeah I picked Cotto by KO and to be honest would be shocked if it was anything other than that, maybe a lopsided UD for Cotto but I just don't see how Judah wins this one.

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Originally Posted by amat

Even if he was focused against Mayweather and he wasn't all those other fights, he still shut down when he did his little ninja dance. I think that's the thing, I am willing to bet that the instant Cotto hurts Judah, Judah fails to win another round. Personally, I think it will come early.

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When Tyron Mullet knocked him down, Zab came back to KO his ass. Why do you think he'll just shut down the first time he gets hurt against Cotto?

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Originally Posted by amat

Even if he was focused against Mayweather and he wasn't all those other fights, he still shut down when he did his little ninja dance. I think that's the thing, I am willing to bet that the instant Cotto hurts Judah, Judah fails to win another round. Personally, I think it will come early.

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When Tyron Mullet knocked him down, Zab came back to KO his ass. Why do you think he'll just shut down the first time he gets hurt against Cotto?

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Because he shut down the first time he got hurt against Baldomir. And when Floyd hurt him, he never was aggressive nor did he win a round afterwards.

Those are his last two fights, and neither of them were comparable to Miguel Cotto in terms of power.

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Even if he was focused against Mayweather and he wasn't all those other fights, he still shut down when he did his little ninja dance. I think that's the thing, I am willing to bet that the instant Cotto hurts Judah, Judah fails to win another round. Personally, I think it will come early.

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When Tyron Mullet knocked him down, Zab came back to KO his ass. Why do you think he'll just shut down the first time he gets hurt against Cotto?

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Because he shut down the first time he got hurt against Baldomir. And when Floyd hurt him, he never was aggressive nor did he win a round afterwards.

Those are his last two fights, and neither of them were comparable to Miguel Cotto in terms of power.

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I didn't think Floyd Mayweather ever hurt Judah in that fight, mighta stunned him but never had him hurt. The tempo of the fight just shifted to Floyd and Zab could never get it back, till he hit him in the nuts and back of the head. Stop actin like Cotto is some unstoppable powerhouse, I like the guy myself and he's a great body puncher, but was he rockin Urkal all over the place? No. Didn't Lovemore Ndou go the distance with him in a close fight? Yes. How about Paulie fukin Malinaggi? Unfortunately yes, he did. So its not like he's just gonna erase Zab Judah, least not IMO.