Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
...oh yeah, before Tyson was totally dominated, shit yeah he was crazy good.
But also looking at guys like Floyd Patterson, you knew the style could be taken advantage of....people were just too fucking scared to do it vs Tyson. You see the people punch and they never punched with the attitude they wanted to hurt Tyson but just stop him from hurting them, if that makes sense.
I could have watched Tyson and Bruno fight 50 times
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...oh yeah, before Tyson was totally dominated, S*** yeah he was crazy good.
But also looking at guys like Floyd Patterson, you knew the style could be taken advantage of....people were just too F****** scared to do it vs Tyson. You see the people punch and they never punched with the attitude they wanted to hurt Tyson but just stop him from hurting them, if that makes sense.
I could have watched Tyson and Bruno fight 50 times
I suppose it comes down to whether you think he always had weaknesses that just weren't exploited, or whether the weaknesses devloped after all his problems. Nobody knows, but I tend to think that if he was there for the taking atleast one of those first 30 odd opponents would have atleast looked like they could possible win, but none of them came remotely close, he was just too good and that can't just be about fear.
Again all opinions :-\
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yeah I didn't mean that ALL the punches were thrown out of fear but there were definently a couple that were....some fighters legitimately believed they had a shot at Mike and honestly they got outboxed and knocked out just due to a lack of skill....Tyson used to be a monster in the gym and after that stopped his small weaknesses became big gaping weaknesses waiting to be exploited
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I haven't read all of this thread, but just to say ICECOLD you weren't even born when Tyson was in his prime, you may have caught some fights on tape, but you weren't there and you cannot possible appreciate him fully
Hardly ever has there been a really great Heavyweight division!! Tyson's division was better than your idol Holmes' I mean those 7 yeras 1978 - 1985 were fooking awful, the likes of John Tate, Mike Weaver and Gerry Coetzer being champions. The only really great eras were early seventies and early nineties. Johndon, Dempsey, Liston Marciano & Holmes did not fight in any better company than Tyson in his prime!!
If he was so ordinary why did he have more interest then any fighter since Ali and no fighter since himself?? And it wasn't coz of his life out of the ring, becuase up to 88-89 his fame was for boxing not raping!
He was a complete wreck against Douglas and many many people claim he was on drugs, after that he went to prison for what 3 or 4 years, how could he ever come vack from that. So pretty much after Spinks Tyson was a fading force. But mark my words if he retired after the Spinks fight everybody who follows boxing including all boxing writers in the world would have Tyson top 5 atleast of all time, most would have him 1 or 2. If you ask the same people now most wouldn't have him top 10. This is due to all of our short terms memories being of his demise, but primes are about primes, however short thoser primes may be, and 1986 -1988 Mike Tyson is one of the greatest heavyweights in history, no doubt in my mind!!! And anybody who thinks he was just a puncher should watch some of the footage of him watching the old greats and adapting their styles, he had virtually every tool in the box!!
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How was that Miles old son
Sorry this won't be much of a reply but have just been looking after my 3 year old cousin but anyway i didn't say Tyson was ordinary i think he is good but not unbeatable like you people say and as for Holmes vs Tyson era lets compare Tysons reign in 1986 to 1990 to Holmes one
Tyson
Tony Tucker
Pinklon Thomas just out of rehab
Trevor Berbick
Michael Spinks
Carl Williams
Bonecrusher
Frank Bruno
Tony Tubbs only had 2 weeks to get prepared well out of shape
Tryell Biggs
Holmes
Ken Norton
Earnie Shavers x2
Gerry Cooney
Leon Spinks drug problems shortly before
Bonecrusher
Renaldo Snipes
Mike Weaver
Ossie Ocasio
Tim Witherspoon
Carl Williams
Not much difference to be honest and as i said again i don't rate Tyson as high as you Big H but doesn't mean i don't think he is good.
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Originally Posted by BIG H
I haven't read all of this thread, but just to say ICECOLD you weren't even born when Tyson was in his prime, you may have caught some fights on tape, but you weren't there and you cannot possible appreciate him fully
Hardly ever has there been a really great Heavyweight division!! Tyson's division was better than your idol Holmes' I mean those 7 yeras 1978 - 1985 were fooking awful, the likes of John Tate, Mike Weaver and Gerry Coetzer being champions. The only really great eras were early seventies and early nineties. Johndon, Dempsey, Liston Marciano & Holmes did not fight in any better company than Tyson in his prime!!
If he was so ordinary why did he have more interest then any fighter since Ali and no fighter since himself?? And it wasn't coz of his life out of the ring, becuase up to 88-89 his fame was for boxing not raping!
He was a complete wreck against Douglas and many many people claim he was on drugs, after that he went to prison for what 3 or 4 years, how could he ever come vack from that. So pretty much after Spinks Tyson was a fading force. But mark my words if he retired after the Spinks fight everybody who follows boxing including all boxing writers in the world would have Tyson top 5 atleast of all time, most would have him 1 or 2. If you ask the same people now most wouldn't have him top 10. This is due to all of our short terms memories being of his demise, but primes are about primes, however short thoser primes may be, and 1986 -1988 Mike Tyson is one of the greatest heavyweights in history, no doubt in my mind!!! And anybody who thinks he was just a puncher should watch some of the footage of him watching the old greats and adapting their styles, he had virtually every tool in the box!!
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How was that Miles old son
Sorry this won't be much of a reply but have just been looking after my 3 year old cousin but anyway i didn't say Tyson was ordinary i think he is good but not unbeatable like you people say and as for Holmes vs Tyson era lets compare Tysons reign in 1986 to 1990 to Holmes one
Tyson
Tony Tucker
Pinklon Thomas just out of rehab
Trevor Berbick
Michael Spinks
Carl Williams
Bonecrusher
Frank Bruno
Tony Tubbs only had 2 weeks to get prepared well out of shape
Tryell Biggs
Holmes
Ken Norton
Earnie Shavers x2
Gerry Cooney
Leon Spinks drug problems shortly before
Bonecrusher
Renaldo Snipes
Mike Weaver
Ossie Ocasio
Tim Witherspoon
Carl Williams
Not much difference to be honest and as i said again i don't rate Tyson as high as you Big H but doesn't mean i don't think he is good.
yeah but tyson dominated those fights and didnt come close to losing. holmes struggled with most of those guys
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Doesnt Matter a wins a win still both eras aren't that much different.
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Doesnt Matter a wins a win still both eras aren't that much different.
yes but your comparing eras and fights so it is relavant as to whom won more convincingly.
like how you ocasionally bring up how tyson truggled against tillis? even though tyson won a UD ;)
BAAAAA O0
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Doesnt Matter a wins a win still both eras aren't that much different.
yes but your comparing eras and fights so it is relavant as to whom won more convincingly.
like how you ocasionally bring up how tyson truggled against tillis? even though tyson won a UD ;)
BAAAAA O0
Yes i did bring that up but i don't bring that up when comparing different championship eras.
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IVE ALWAYS SAID TYSONS ERA WAS JUST AS GOOD AS HOLMES OR JOHNSONS OR DEMPSEYS OR MARCIANOS era.... now, everyones agreeing ???
people changed there mind alot :P
ah well 8)
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anywayz i for one do appreciate prime tysons skill and greatness.
and tyson would have beat witherspoon eaily for those that are delusional in thinking tyson ducked him cause he was threat :biglaugh:
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anywayz i for one do appreciate prime tysons skill and greatness.
and tyson would have beat witherspoon eaily for those that are delusional in thinking tyson ducked him cause he was threat :biglaugh:
Witherspoon in his prime would of been tough test for Tyson but at that time only threat Witherspoon was to himself because i thought he was going to have a heart attack with all that bloody weight he had.
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
anywayz i for one do appreciate prime tysons skill and greatness.
and tyson would have beat witherspoon eaily for those that are delusional in thinking tyson ducked him cause he was threat :biglaugh:
Witherspoon in his prime would of been tough test for Tyson but at that time only threat Witherspoon was to himself because i thought he was going to have a heart attack with all that bloody weight he had.
yeah tyson always came in tip top shape! witherspoon and tubbs are a fat disgrace 8)
i gotta go my times up at the library ;D
nah actually my pc is slow as all fwock cause my missus is downloading pirates at worlds end.
last note...witherspoon and tubbs both had talent and potential but just became fat lazy turds. same goes for douglas :-\ could have been so much more.
chow!! 8)
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
anywayz i for one do appreciate prime tysons skill and greatness.
and tyson would have beat witherspoon eaily for those that are delusional in thinking tyson ducked him cause he was threat :biglaugh:
Witherspoon in his prime would of been tough test for Tyson but at that time only threat Witherspoon was to himself because i thought he was going to have a heart attack with all that bloody weight he had.
yeah tyson always came in tip top shape! witherspoon and tubbs are a fat disgrace 8)
i gotta go my times up at the library ;D
nah actually my pc is slow as all fwock cause my missus is downloading pirates at worlds end.
last note...witherspoon and tubbs both had talent and potential but just became fat lazy turds. same goes for douglas :-\ could have been so much more.
chow!! 8)
Agreed :coolclick:
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Tubbs is a butterhead! I see him walking around Cinci, KOing young dope dealers for rock.
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
I never thought Mike was unbeatable. But, I have an opinion of why people think that(besides his intimidation, and his string of KOs).
He looked like a faster, harder puching, more defensive, better conditioned, Rocky Marciano, who was the only undefeated heavy. Just a thought.
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Younger boxing fans love to give tyson a 2 and a half week prime in which he was unbeatable.
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Younger boxing fans love to give tyson a 2 and a half week prime in which he was unbeatable.
What do you mean by that?
I'd say he had about a three year prime, during his title reign.
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
anywayz i for one do appreciate prime tysons skill and greatness.
and tyson would have beat witherspoon eaily for those that are delusional in thinking tyson ducked him cause he was threat :biglaugh:
Witherspoon in his prime would of been tough test for Tyson but at that time only threat Witherspoon was to himself because i thought he was going to have a heart attack with all that bloody weight he had.
Witherspoon would have given Tyson a lot of trouble, a wasted talent.
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A peak Mike Tyson would beat any fighter in history.In the late 80s every one wanted to watch Tyson he was the talk of the WORLD .
