Is it just me? But why does EVERYONE rate Calzaghe so highly?

Yea cmon guys, I know you dont have vested interest yet because of your small amount of posts, and believe me your all welcome here, but countrymen wars and racism is a huge no no and is 0 tolerance.. So please knock it off and enjoy your stay. you will find it knowledgable, level headed and respectful and we always welcome productive members here.

Joe might be ligit, only his mother can vouch for that, if he is ligit it's not at boxing thats for sure.
he struggled against Starie, woodhall and reid, three shite fighters, Benn would have walked through him.

the haters make me like calzaghe more... you all are turning me into a fan!!!!

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right so you see Calzaghe in a bar and you would call the man a sheep shagger, hmmm ok then

NO THATS RIGHT YOU WOULD SOIL YOUR UNDERPANTS

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I would ;) Then again I have good MMA and a strong grappling back ground and if that didnt work. I would sue the balls of him ;D

Seriously lets cool it though, this is about ready to erupt already.

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right so you see Calzaghe in a bar and you would call the man a sheep shagger, hmmm ok then

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No way would I call Calzaghe a sheep shagger to his face if I saw him in a bar. I'll call him by his true name. "Boxings biggest fraud". And I'll tell his WBO title is garbage. His streak is a joke. And I'll tell him he's a little bitch for letting Frank Warren control his whole career. I'll tell him fuck Frank Warren! I'll tell him his boy Ricky Hatton is going to get his ass kicked by Castillo. I'll tell him he ducked Sven Ottke. I'll tell him he got a gift win against Robin Reid and than proceeded to avoid him like the plague. I'll tell him Jeff Lacy was never even that good. Other than that I wouldn't have much to say to him.

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the haters make me like calzaghe more... you all are turning me into a fan!!!!

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Who the fuck are you? You know what? Don't answer that. I don't really want to know. I see your sc count is at 0. Let me take care of that for you.

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right so you see Calzaghe in a bar and you would call the man a sheep shagger, hmmm ok then

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No way would I call Calzaghe a sheep shagger to his face if I saw him in a bar. I'll call him by his true name. "Boxings biggest fraud". And I'll tell his WBO title is garbage. His streak is a joke. And I'll tell him he's a little bitch for letting Frank Warren control his whole career. I'll tell him F*** Frank Warren! I'll tell him his boy Ricky Hatton is going to get his a** kicked by Castillo. I'll tell him he ducked Sven Ottke. I'll tell him he got a gift win against Robin Reid and than proceeded to avoid him like the plague. I'll tell him Jeff Lacy was never even that good. Other than that I wouldn't have much to say to him.

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Gee and I thought you would have gone off on him and told him what you were really thinking...... I'm impressed with the new found self control

JOE CALZAGHE THE BEST SMW OF HIS GENERATION FACT

OTTKE BUM FACT

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Ottke couldn't punch for shit. But he had no problem getting in the ring. He averaged about 4 fights a year. Which is pretty much unheard of these days. He never bitched that his hand hurt. And didn't believe in post-ponding fights. Calzaghe wishes he could be loved in his country the way Ottke is in his. Calzaghe wishes he could be Ottke.

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Yes but they wern't very good bunch of smw since Benn Toney Jones Gerald left it.

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Ottke couldn't punch for S***. But he had no problem getting in the ring. He averaged about 4 fights a year. Which is pretty much unheard of these days. He never bitched that his hand hurt. And didn't believe in post-ponding fights. Calzaghe wishes he could be loved in his country the way Ottke is in his. Calzaghe wishes he could be Ottke.

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I agree with you on Calzaghe and some parts on Ottke but to be honest i got sick of Ottke's gift decision in his hometown he got too many gifts for my liking VD.

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I think the people in wales cling to joe as they have never really had a world class fighter before, or a world class anything apart from singers, I'd pay good money to see charlotte church punched in the face several times.

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Now then, now then, I can't let that pass now can I. We were world leaders in sheep-shagging Rugby in the 70s and 80s, and both Jimmy Wilde and Tommy Farr were world class boxers, who along with Steve Robinson, who won the WBO featherweight title at 48 hours notice, have represented Wales well on the world stage. And with present company of Maccarinelli, and prospects coming through, I'd reckon Wales is punching very well for the size of country we are.

And I'm bored of defending Calzaghe to people who are too ignorant to read my posts and reply to my points- *columbo*.

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Erm, you're Welsh I guess, therefore do I need to treat you as an equal! You already used the terms sheep shaggers and world class in the same sentence! If you had a sheep under each arm, would be you classed as a pimp in Wales? According to you, you would! And who mentioned rugby (small r by the way boyo)? This is a boxing forum, oh wait, I'll discuss quiots or darts, coz apparently we can! Learn to read young man, learn to read! And who manages Maccarinell? Nuff said dullard!

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OK, first off, you have a go at me for referring to our main national sport, Rugby, which was specifically answering the point which you made that Wales had not produced anything world standard, and I was giving you an example. Which, by the way, was an answer to the point that I READ from your post. Whether you like Frank Warren or not, (I can guess which), the WBO is generally recognised as the fourth among the big four licensing bodies, and Maccarinelli is the cruiserweight champion. You can make whatever jokes you like about Wales, but at the moment I've seen no logical points put forward by you to dissuade me that your opinion is little more than a dislike of a fighter, rather than a genuine balanced analysis. I dislike James Toney and Floyd Mayweather, but it doesn't stop me from admitting that both were world class at their peak.

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OH no you dont Mr.Happy pants.... I expect an answer to my comment about you sorting out Mayweather with a bus full of Welsh hillbillies ;D

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My pants are most certainly not happy JT. Indeed, they are positively sleepy pants. Anyhow, I was merely suggesting that that young man needs to be brought down a peg or two, and get his arrogant, egotistical big mouth in check. And I'm happy to lead the posse and round them up.

And as for all the Welsh jokes on the thread, having lived in England for years I've heard em all before. Find me a new one, and you might get me riled ;).

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erm, get my facts right, maybe you should take reading lessons, nobody mentioned Calzaghe's flagging career once, who said it was flagging? Not me! And yes he is over-rated! Kessler is all to eager to fight him, but it will be made diificult, ALSO Jones said he would fight Calzaghe in Wales, funny that was brushed under the carpet too!

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Jones? Has been offered the fight numerous times but his last ridiculous demand was laughed at, and this was off the back of two knockouts, Jones talks a good fight but his demands have always been unrealistic. Boxing aint just black and white mate, its down to business and other fighters managerial teams are just as much to blame as Calzaghe's team for these big fights not happening.

Also i apologise it was Manfredo you were refering to with your flagging career comment, my mistake.

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Jones offered to fight Calzaghe 70-30, with 70 for Calzaghe, so who declined that one ???

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JOE CALZAGHE THE BEST SMW OF HIS GENERATION FACT

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Ottke couldn't punch for S***. But he had no problem getting in the ring. He averaged about 4 fights a year. Which is pretty much unheard of these days. He never bitched that his hand hurt. And didn't believe in post-ponding fights. Calzaghe wishes he could be loved in his country the way Ottke is in his. Calzaghe wishes he could be Ottke.

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I agree with you on Calzaghe and some parts on Ottke but to be honest i got sick of Ottke's gift decision in his hometown he got too many gifts for my liking VD.

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Ottke's biggest dream was to retire undefeated so he wouldn't risk stepping in the ring with Calzaghe, the same as if he was fighting at the start of last year he wouldn't have stepped through the ropes with Jeff Lacy or Mikkel Kessler.
And bitching about his hand, he's had tissue damage which won't ever get better to his interosseous membrane, which means that the right combination of pressure and angle will put his bones out of kilter, and any ferocious punch will break it. You give me any fighter with an undefeated record that has broken his hands numerous times in the ring and still came through to win. And Calzaghe's following in Wales is even bigger than Ottke's in Germany, otherwise he wouldn't pack out the Millenium Stadium.

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erm, get my facts right, maybe you should take reading lessons, nobody mentioned Calzaghe's flagging career once, who said it was flagging? Not me! And yes he is over-rated! Kessler is all to eager to fight him, but it will be made diificult, ALSO Jones said he would fight Calzaghe in Wales, funny that was brushed under the carpet too!

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Jones? Has been offered the fight numerous times but his last ridiculous demand was laughed at, and this was off the back of two knockouts, Jones talks a good fight but his demands have always been unrealistic. Boxing aint just black and white mate, its down to business and other fighters managerial teams are just as much to blame as Calzaghe's team for these big fights not happening.

Also i apologise it was Manfredo you were refering to with your flagging career comment, my mistake.

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Jones offered to fight Calzaghe 70-30, with 70 for Calzaghe, so who declined that one ???

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Now the tables have been turned what's in it for Calzaghe? Jones Jr wasn't interested in a fight when he was in his prime, but now he's looking for a last big payday, and Calzaghe's on American TV, now he's interested. Calzaghe should let the old man rot in the Iowa boxing circuit, or wherever he's fighting these days.

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erm, get my facts right, maybe you should take reading lessons, nobody mentioned Calzaghe's flagging career once, who said it was flagging? Not me! And yes he is over-rated! Kessler is all to eager to fight him, but it will be made diificult, ALSO Jones said he would fight Calzaghe in Wales, funny that was brushed under the carpet too!

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Jones? Has been offered the fight numerous times but his last ridiculous demand was laughed at, and this was off the back of two knockouts, Jones talks a good fight but his demands have always been unrealistic. Boxing aint just black and white mate, its down to business and other fighters managerial teams are just as much to blame as Calzaghe's team for these big fights not happening.

Also i apologise it was Manfredo you were refering to with your flagging career comment, my mistake.

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Jones offered to fight Calzaghe 70-30, with 70 for Calzaghe, so who declined that one ???

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Now the tables have been turned what's in it for Calzaghe? Jones Jr wasn't interested in a fight when he was in his prime, but now he's looking for a last big payday, and Calzaghe's on American TV, now he's interested. Calzaghe should let the old man rot in the Iowa boxing circuit, or wherever he's fighting these days.

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A PAST IT ROY JONES IS STILL HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE A 34 YR OLD CALZAGHE........

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erm, get my facts right, maybe you should take reading lessons, nobody mentioned Calzaghe's flagging career once, who said it was flagging? Not me! And yes he is over-rated! Kessler is all to eager to fight him, but it will be made diificult, ALSO Jones said he would fight Calzaghe in Wales, funny that was brushed under the carpet too!

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Jones? Has been offered the fight numerous times but his last ridiculous demand was laughed at, and this was off the back of two knockouts, Jones talks a good fight but his demands have always been unrealistic. Boxing aint just black and white mate, its down to business and other fighters managerial teams are just as much to blame as Calzaghe's team for these big fights not happening.

Also i apologise it was Manfredo you were refering to with your flagging career comment, my mistake.

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Jones offered to fight Calzaghe 70-30, with 70 for Calzaghe, so who declined that one ???

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Now the tables have been turned what's in it for Calzaghe? Jones Jr wasn't interested in a fight when he was in his prime, but now he's looking for a last big payday, and Calzaghe's on American TV, now he's interested. Calzaghe should let the old man rot in the Iowa boxing circuit, or wherever he's fighting these days.

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A PAST IT ROY JONES IS STILL HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE A 34 YR OLD CALZAGHE........

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Just cause he's sitting on the horse that was his fight fee for his last outing against The Boxing Prince. RJJ is done bro, he's at least two or three wins away from any sort of title challenge, whilst Calzaghe's in negotiations for a three-belt unification.

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the haters make me like calzaghe more... you all are turning me into a fan!!!!

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Who the F*** are you? You know what? Don't answer that. I don't really want to know. I see your sc count is at 0. Let me take care of that for you.

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I've been reading this site the past couple of years i'm familiar with your macho/hater persona

do you like any white boxers?????

thanks for the sc.. i see you have more than anyone on the site..
not hard to see why

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right so you see Calzaghe in a bar and you would call the man a sheep shagger, hmmm ok then

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No way would I call Calzaghe a sheep shagger to his face if I saw him in a bar. I'll call him by his true name. "Boxings biggest fraud". And I'll tell his WBO title is garbage. His streak is a joke. And I'll tell him he's a little bitch for letting Frank Warren control his whole career. I'll tell him F*** Frank Warren! I'll tell him his boy Ricky Hatton is going to get his a** kicked by Castillo. I'll tell him he ducked Sven Ottke. I'll tell him he got a gift win against Robin Reid and than proceeded to avoid him like the plague. I'll tell him Jeff Lacy was never even that good. Other than that I wouldn't have much to say to him.

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Damn your a bad a$$.. i hope he doestnt tell you everything he hates about you because he obsessed with you... oh yeah he dont give a sh!t about haters like you

calzaghe: 20 defences, undefeated undisputed supermiddle weight champ of the world, fame and respect, rising by the year.. thats why your obsessed with hating him.. you had all that knowledge of calzaghe-hating right on the top of your head.. because its one of your fav. topics..

If calzaghe sucked we wouldnt even be talking about it right now.. he wouldnt have threads on him all the time in all the boxing sites in boxing..

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erm, get my facts right, maybe you should take reading lessons, nobody mentioned Calzaghe's flagging career once, who said it was flagging? Not me! And yes he is over-rated! Kessler is all to eager to fight him, but it will be made diificult, ALSO Jones said he would fight Calzaghe in Wales, funny that was brushed under the carpet too!

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Jones? Has been offered the fight numerous times but his last ridiculous demand was laughed at, and this was off the back of two knockouts, Jones talks a good fight but his demands have always been unrealistic. Boxing aint just black and white mate, its down to business and other fighters managerial teams are just as much to blame as Calzaghe's team for these big fights not happening.

Also i apologise it was Manfredo you were refering to with your flagging career comment, my mistake.

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Jones offered to fight Calzaghe 70-30, with 70 for Calzaghe, so who declined that one ???

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after rjj lost 3 fights to tarver and johnson..

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the haters make me like calzaghe more... you all are turning me into a fan!!!!

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Who the F*** are you? You know what? Don't answer that. I don't really want to know. I see your sc count is at 0. Let me take care of that for you.

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I've been reading this site the past couple of years i'm familiar with your macho/hater persona

do you like any white boxers?????

thanks for the sc.. i see you have more than anyone on the site..
not hard to see why

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I got nothing against white fighters. I don't really have a certain favorite. But now that I think about it, a lot of them do seem to be involved in a lot of my favorite fights. Tommy Morrison-Ray Mercer, Darrin Van Horn-Iran Barkley, Alex Arthur-Michael Gomez, Lou Saverese-Mike Tyson, Peter Frissina-Rafael Marquez. I don't know it's just me, but white fighters seem to always make for spectacular knock outs. It's just to bad for them that must of the time is them getting knocked out.

i guess that answered my question

klitch-brock, klitch-mercer, pavlik-miranda, maskeav-rahman and your boy calzaghe slapped but he bitched slapped lacy around the ring for 12

i see your point ::**

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i guess that answered my question

klitch-brock, klitch-mercer, pavlik-miranda, maskeav-rahman and your boy calzaghe slapped but he bitched slapped lacy around the ring for 12

i see your point ::**

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But I don't see yours. If you been reading this site for the past years, like you claim to (all new posters claim to) you would of known that i always considered Lacy an overrated, mediocre fighter. And I enjoy seeing Brock, Rahman and the rest get knocked out as much as the next person. Damn this guy actually mentioned Brock. Where did you guys find this clown? Like I give a fuck about Brock, Rahman or Mercer.

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i guess that answered my question

klitch-brock, klitch-mercer, pavlik-miranda, maskeav-rahman and your boy calzaghe slapped but he bitched slapped lacy around the ring for 12

i see your point ::**

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But I don't see yours. If you been reading this site for the past years, like you claim to (all new posters claim to) you would of known that i always considered Lacy an overrated, mediocre fighter. And I enjoy seeing Brock, Rahman and the rest get knocked out as much as the next person. Damn this guy actually mentioned Brock. Where did you guys find this clown? Like I give a F*** about Brock, Rahman or Mercer.

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daren van horn, arthur, frassina, yeah thats quality
miranda, brock, rahman, and mercer are far better than them

if you dont give a shit about mercer why did you mention mercer-morrison

my point is, your point is wrong obviously

i mentioned brock you metioned van horn-barkley lol lol lol

Until Lacy starts losing to mediocre competition, i won't call him overrated. Just because Joe beat the shit out of him does not make him overrated.

He almost lost to Tsypko, that was a close one if I remember. His shoulder got hurt again I think and hes still recovering. I really cant believe Calzaghe broke his hand on Manfredo, I saw one shot that he hit him in the shoulder, didnt seem that bad.

calzaghe didnt break his hand; he bruised it...

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calzaghe didnt break his hand; he bruised it...

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I'm sure I read in several articles it was broken?

at first they thought it was broke.. after the x-ray it was just bruised

Oh right, cheers for the info I need to catch up more man.

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Why does everyone reckon Calzaghe is one of the best boxers that the UK has produced? He has constantly fought sub-standard opposition *Lacey was a blown-up super middle weight before anyone mentions it*, dodged bouts with mysterious injuries, and refused to fight outside of Wales!

He is another Naseem Hamed, making good money from fighting poor oppostion! Will he fight Kessler, duno, when Kessler agreed to fight, Warren suddenly changed the contractual agreements! And Peter Manfredo had to appear on a reality TV show to boost his flagging career! Not high calibre opposition for a 'supposedly' world class fighter like Calzaghe!

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He's fought every mandatory put in front of him, so my argument would be that Joe's class has made the opposition look sub-standard, and that the strength of the division has not had enough quality fighters for Calzaghe to fight. If you could put forward which SMW's he should have fought during his 10-year reign, I would be happy to reply.

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Calzaghe has fought every mandatory put in front of him??????????,Calzaghe has only fought 2 mandatories in TEN YEARS

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They should send Joe for a full body X-Ray to see if there is any fight left in him, or if he has a back bone.
why not fight Froch, or a very much improved Woods, or is that to much to ask, as they are not blown up middle wieghts.
Saying Joe is a class fighter is like saying Hamed was great, or kirkland laing, Crawford Ashley, truth is those who pay a fortune to see joe really know nothing about boxing.

I love reading Joe Calzaghe threads. If nothing else it gives more people a chance to jump aboard the "of course I knew Lacy was shit all along" express.

Pathetic.

Why do people rate Calzaghe highly? Because he's really good at fighting, end of.

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I'm sure I read in several articles it was broken?

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Airline fracture i heard

Or hairline ;D

It was the scaphoid bone which is in the wrist I believe.

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Or hairline ;D

It was the scaphoid bone which is in the wrist I believe.

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Thanks for the english lesson ;D either way Calzaghe is a joke who fights has beens or never gunna be's

You know thats not true though. Lacy was no has been or never would be, he was the right now and most people picked him to hammer Joe, he was ripe for the taking remember? I do, I was one of them. Of course I could develope a case of selective memory loss like most of the clowns that now think Lacy was a mug, but I wont.

i was wrong he did crack his scaphoid.. i just checked..
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You know thats not true though. Lacy was no has been or never would be, he was the right now and most people picked him to hammer Joe, he was ripe for the taking remember? I do, I was one of them. Of course I could develope a case of selective memory loss like most of the clowns that now think Lacy was a mug, but I wont.

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I knew Lacy were'nt all that when he had a hard time with Sheika yes he was impressive stopping Reid but he was very dirty aswell if he struggled with Sheika he were'nt going to beat Calzaghe Lacy was just a over hyped american.

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You know thats not true though. Lacy was no has been or never would be, he was the right now and most people picked him to hammer Joe, he was ripe for the taking remember? I do, I was one of them. Of course I could develope a case of selective memory loss like most of the clowns that now think Lacy was a mug, but I wont.

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I knew Lacy were'nt all that when he had a hard time with Sheika yes he was impressive stopping Reid but he was very dirty aswell if he struggled with Sheika he were'nt going to beat Calzaghe Lacy was just a over hyped american.

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But still, he was the best SMW to come out of America since RJJ left the division, and America is undoubtedly the biggest market for boxing, and has the biggest pool of active fighters there. In that case, what you're saying means that every SMW in the United States is either a has been or never gonna be. Problem one, no American SMW's have been world champions recently except for Lacy, who was beaten. So there's not that many has beens left. SO which SMW's, in your opinion, deserve the fight with Calzaghe as they neither fall into the categories of 'has been' or 'never gunna be'?