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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
:coolclick: Lyle.Durans resume is far superior to Mayweathers. I think if they fought it could be a difficult fight for both guys, but reguardless of who would win Duran is the greater fighter.
SRL, even though he was flashy, was never afraid to mix it up and as Teddy Atlas would say "Act lika a fighter." Floyd is more concerned with winning than putting on a show and giving people a fight. Duran, Hearns, Hagler, and Leonard would go to war for a win, or make a classic fight in defeat. Floyd has never had a truly entertaining fight so hes not the entertainer he thinks he is.
I guess that's why floyd makes as much money as the heavyweights, because he's not entertaining....
If you ever competed in an individual sport the only person you should be concerned with is yourself...Floyd is entertaining to those who love to see the best be the best..and he'd be fucking stupid to mix it up with guys bigger than him just so those watching can be entertained...boxing is a sport first, if people just want to so see a spectacle then watch UFC, or celebrity boxing...because it about winning fuck the fans.....
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
JjrMayweather.. Im sorry bro..But your name is off the chart man.. Just strait insane...Lol
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
Duran was great but overrated. His lightweight competition was not at all equal to him to show how good he really was. And people insulted Jones for fighting bad competition at light heavyweight. When Duran moved up he got Ray to fight him in a phonebooth, but then he gets beat easily the next two times. And losing to these greats Benitez,Hearns, Hagler doesn't really show Duran as the best ever. But his lightweight reign and then beating Moore and Barkley gets him in a good place in boxing history. He was alot better than Gatti but not the best ever. maybe 25 in p4p . Ray Leonard beat the best and found ways to beat them all. All styles. That is why he at 40 fights in my mind is better than Duran at 119 fights.
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
Duran was great but overrated. His lightweight competition was not at all equal to him to show how good he really was. And people insulted Jones for fighting bad competition at light heavyweight. When Duran moved up he got Ray to fight him in a phonebooth, but then he gets beat easily the next two times. And losing to these greats Benitez,Hearns, Hagler doesn't really show Duran as the best ever. But his lightweight reign and then beating Moore and Barkley gets him in a good place in boxing history. He was alot better than Gatti but not the best ever. maybe 25 in p4p . Ray Leonard beat the best and found ways to beat them all. All styles. That is why he at 40 fights in my mind is better than Duran at 119 fights.
thank you finally..someone to say what i've been trying to say all along...i never once was trying to say that duran wasn't an ATG..it's just when i look at some P4P list he's been as high as number four, frequently top ten..and that to me is overrated...and because we're talking about the all time best fighters..if he's rated that high then he'd have to be the most overrated all time....
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
At 135 I would pick Duran over Floyd.....Once at 147 I pick Floyd to outbox an manuver him....Not that he could not outbox Duran at LW just that Robert would brutalize him....
Hearns was a great boxer that some tend to overlook due to his knockouts at 147...Tommy would fight tall and it would be more or less PBF lookking for a way to close the gap all night...Hearns was fast though....Tough call to be honset....If Floyd does not make the mistake of trying to trade for even a second it is a toss up....
Leonard at 147 was fast and STRONG!!!!...Ray had greatly under estimated power....Floyd could not nor would he try to go to to toe with Ray and Ray would catch him if he ran.....Ray had greater combos add that to the power it is Ray's fight by UD
As for Hagler don't be silly here....He would beat Floyd into retirement....Floyd is no power puncher at anyweight....At middleweight his shots would be like mesquito bites to Hagler who had a GRANITE chin and that is no exaggeration......Floyd get's a few rounds in before Marvin owns him....
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
it retarded to even consider floyd vs hagler..
1)because usually a fighter would have at least been at the weight once in his career...
2)floyd's only been to 154 and weighed in at 149..so to even consider him at 160 is ridiculous..
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
I guess that's why floyd makes as much money as the heavyweights, because he's not entertaining....
If you ever competed in an individual sport the only person you should be concerned with is yourself...Floyd is entertaining to those who love to see the best be the best..and he'd be fucking stupid to mix it up with guys bigger than him just so those watching can be entertained...boxing is a sport first, if people just want to so see a spectacle then watch UFC, or celebrity boxing...because it about winning fuck the fans.....
Floyd has made heavyweight money ONE TIME....because a fella named OSCAR DE LA HOYA....not because he's Floyd Mayweather Jr.
It has been proven that no one gives a shit about FLOYD only about who he fights....which is why he couldn't sell out an arena in GRAND RAPIDS, MICHIGAN (his hometown) just 4 years ago vs Phillip N'Dou.....compared to blockbuster fighters like Mike Tyson who once said "I could fill Madison Square Garden masterbating".
I don't want Floyd to fight anyone in a phone booth...no one expects that....but I DO expect him to actually FIGHT....maybe I'm wrong....maybe BOXING isn't about punching people and not being punched.....maybe it's about showboating and grandstanding and bling.....yeah that's the sport I love....BLING
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
Mayweather would have found himself on the losing end of a couple decisions. Judges now like action, but judges back then demanded it. In a world where everything is quickly becoming more and more pc, so is boxing. Fights stopped prematurely, 12 round championship fights (there was just a 10 round championship fight recently) and a few other factors have had a sway on judges' and fans' minds and we give more credit than in the past to fighter who artfully dodge rather than engage, who flurry and get out of the way. Not that those things weren't ever appreciated before, but the scale has definitely tipped moreso in that direction. Floyd would have lost 3 or 4 decisions but become a much better fighter by applying those magnificent skills to greater effect. It would have forced him to knock fighters out when he otherwise would have been complacent with coasting to a decision victory because he wouldn't have been able to have the certainty that the judges were seeing what he was seeing. By being a fighter in this era, Mayweather's legacy can never shine as brightly as it could have.
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
I guess that's why floyd makes as much money as the heavyweights, because he's not entertaining....
If you ever competed in an individual sport the only person you should be concerned with is yourself...Floyd is entertaining to those who love to see the best be the best..and he'd be fucking stupid to mix it up with guys bigger than him just so those watching can be entertained...boxing is a sport first, if people just want to so see a spectacle then watch UFC, or celebrity boxing...because it about winning fuck the fans.....
Floyd has made heavyweight money ONE TIME....because a fella named OSCAR DE LA HOYA....not because he's Floyd Mayweather Jr.
It has been proven that no one gives a shit about FLOYD only about who he fights....which is why he couldn't sell out an arena in GRAND RAPIDS, MICHIGAN (his hometown) just 4 years ago vs Phillip N'Dou.....compared to blockbuster fighters like Mike Tyson who once said "I could fill Madison Square Garden masterbating".
I don't want Floyd to fight anyone in a phone booth...no one expects that....but I DO expect him to actually FIGHT....maybe I'm wrong....maybe
BOXING isn't about punching people and not being punched.....maybe it's about showboating and grandstanding and bling.....yeah that's the sport I love....BLING
okay maybe floyd doesn't make 20 million a fight but he was getting 8mil and 9mill for fights with baldomir and judah..and reportedly got 7 for gatti..that's alot of money for a fighter his size when bhop's biggest payday was 10mil against oscar..
and you must don't watch boxing because unless delahoya, baldomir, judah, corely, gatti, and all the other fighters that PBF has beaten were hitting themselves someone was causing the swelling and nose bleeds...someone was causing them to be afraid to throw punches..because while simple flatfooted, one dimensional fighters, and their followers usually bill them as "real fighters" and Floyd a "runner" ask that blue collar, blood and guts warrior from Alantic Citynamed Gatti if Floyd just runs. Ask Castillo if floyd just runs..and Not to be a prick because I love Chico, but ask his father if he stopped the fight because Floyd was running too much....
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
This thread has gotten a bit ridiculous. To even compare Duran's resume to that of Floyd's is pure insanity. And i love how people use Gatti as an example of Floyd not being afraid to mix it up. That was one of the biggest mismatches in the history of the sport. A perfectly handpicked opponent for Floyd to show off his speed. To use that as an example of how Floyd would be able to mix it up with guys like Leonard, Hearns, or Duran is ignorant. And liquid summed it up nicely: "By being a fighter in this era, Mayweather's legacy can never shine as brightly as it could have."
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by zhubin
This thread has gotten a bit ridiculous. To even compare Duran's resume to that of Floyd's is pure insanity. And i love how people use Gatti as an example of Floyd not being afraid to mix it up. That was one of the biggest mismatches in the history of the sport. A perfectly handpicked opponent for Floyd to show off his speed. To use that as an example of how Floyd would be able to mix it up with guys like Leonard, Hearns, or Duran is ignorant. And liquid summed it up nicely: "By being a fighter in this era, Mayweather's legacy can never shine as brightly as it could have."
Totally agree.
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
I guess that's why floyd makes as much money as the heavyweights, because he's not entertaining....
If you ever competed in an individual sport the only person you should be concerned with is yourself...Floyd is entertaining to those who love to see the best be the best..and he'd be F****** stupid to mix it up with guys bigger than him just so those watching can be entertained...boxing is a sport first, if people just want to so see a spectacle then watch UFC, or celebrity boxing...because it about winning F*** the fans.....
Floyd has made heavyweight money ONE TIME....because a fella named OSCAR DE LA HOYA....not because he's Floyd Mayweather Jr.
It has been proven that no one gives a S*** about FLOYD only about who he fights....which is why he couldn't sell out an arena in GRAND RAPIDS, MICHIGAN (his hometown) just 4 years ago vs Phillip N'Dou.....compared to blockbuster fighters like Mike Tyson who once said "I could fill Madison Square Garden masterbating".
I don't want Floyd to fight anyone in a phone booth...no one expects that....but I DO expect him to actually FIGHT....maybe I'm wrong....maybe
BOXING isn't about punching people and not being punched.....maybe it's about showboating and grandstanding and bling.....yeah that's the sport I love....BLING
When the last time Floyd "showboated" during a fight? The only recent instance I can remember is against Judah in Round 12, when Floyd patted his chin, as if to say "Hit me with your best shot."
I don't remember any showboating against DLH, Gatti, etc.
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I don't really remember anything specifically about those fights but wow you found 2 of 30 some odd fights.
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I don't really remember anything specifically about those fights but wow you found 2 of 30 some odd fights.
Well if you're going to label someone as a showboat, it helps to be able to cite several examples. I saw you label him a showboat with zero supporting evidence whatsoever.
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lmao, Lyle just got owned ;D
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
At Welterweight, I'd take PBF over Roberto Duran (I know that will piss off the many Floyd Haters and the "old school" fans, but thats just the way I see it). Leonard/Mayweather would likely be a snoozefest which could go either way. I think Hearns at WW with his punching power, reach and speed would give Mayweather a TON of problems, because anyone who was ever successful against Hearns did it by overpowering and slugging with him and I'm confident Mayweather really doesn't have the power to bother Hearns too much at WW.
But no matter who wins, there is no doubt in my mind that FLoyd Mayweather could compete with those guys. I know the many Floyd haters would have everyone believe that Floyd would be nothing but a trial horse in these great areas, but the fact is Floyd Mayweather is a marvelous boxing talent that could compete with any era.
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
in all honesty I have to agree with emaunel stewarts prediciton of floyds hes real good but not a great, I really dont think his skills pound for pound ar ein the same stratosphere is roy jones junior.. he just doesnt hit all that hard and fights like a girl...
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I don't really remember anything specifically about those fights but wow you found 2 of 30 some odd fights.
Well if you're going to label someone as a showboat, it helps to be able to cite several examples. I saw you label him a showboat with zero supporting evidence whatsoever.
For his whole career he is a showboat...Roy Jones Jr didn't show off in ALL of his fights but he was a showboat too.....I mean just because he didn't do it vs De la Hoya or Gatti doesn't mean he hasn't filled his career with shows of disrespect to his opponents.
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I don't really remember anything specifically about those fights but wow you found 2 of 30 some odd fights.
Well if you're going to label someone as a showboat, it helps to be able to cite several examples. I saw you label him a showboat with zero supporting evidence whatsoever.
For his whole career he is a showboat...Roy Jones Jr didn't show off in ALL of his fights but he was a showboat too.....I mean just because he didn't do it vs De la Hoya or Gatti doesn't mean he hasn't filled his career with shows of disrespect to his opponents.
Still waiting for examples.
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
It's hard to pick out specific things when it's all he does....the walking away from a fighter, the head nodding at a fighter, the picking up a fighter so he could beat him up more...actually that was funny but it's still disrespectful.....I can't remember ANY respect Floyd ever gave ANYONE.....even his pops as a fighter he talked shit about him.
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
PBF would be a very interesting fighter to me if he just had balls and got in there and finished opponents and maybe then i might feel different about him as a fighter but thats just me
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by Lyle
It's hard to pick out specific things when it's all he does....the walking away from a fighter, the head nodding at a fighter, the picking up a fighter so he could beat him up more...actually that was funny but it's still disrespectful.....I can't remember ANY respect Floyd ever gave ANYONE.....even his pops as a fighter he talked S*** about him.
And when has he done any of these things? I offered the one example of the time he kept patting his chin against Judah in the 12th round. That was definitely showboating, and I'm sure part of it was to embarrass Judah because Zab had hit him intentionally below the belt and in the back of the head.
Other than that I can't think of a single instance of Floyd showboating in the ring. There's a difference between trash-talking in the buildup to fights (which Floyd does all the time) and showboating in the ring. I'd say Floyd is a big trash talker, but in the ring he sticks to business, he doesn't clown around or showboat.
If he were that big of a showboater, I would think that people would be able to come up with at least 4 or 5 examples right off the top of their head.
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he did the head nodding I believe vs De la Hoya...walking away he does it all the time a la James Toney or Joe Walcott, it's part of his fighting style but the way I see it it's not couth....and he kept picking one fighter up after he'd knock them down, it may have been Demarcus Corley but I am not 100% sure it was him.
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by Mr140
PBF would be a very interesting fighter to me if he just had balls and got in there and finished opponents and maybe then i might feel different about him as a fighter but thats just me
let's see you get in there with guys natirally bigger than you and see you finish them...floyd's kayo % was very hgih when he was cxloser to his natural weight..he's now just schooling everyone with his boxing skill..and besides he has to protect his main assets which are his hands as he has very brittle hands...i'd love to see what would happen if he wore the puncher's glove and hit those bigger guys with that many clean punches they'd go out too...
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I don't care if he KO's anyone, I DO care that he throws punches....he did for HALF of the Baldomir fight the other half he just ran around like a little punk he is
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I don't care if he KO's anyone, I DO care that he throws punches....he did for HALF of the Baldomir fight the other half he just ran around like a little punk he is
You dislike floyd (who is undefeated and a 5 division champ) but you like wlad ALOT (who has lost to a journeyman).
Floyd's black and so is al sharpeton.
Wlad's white.
Lyle... You're a racist. ;D :P
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.....when you put it like that.....YES, I am racist
Oh wait, there are white people I dislike: The Clintons, Hippies, Mike Marrone, conspiracy theorists, etc
I guess I'll have to be satisfied with just being a Hate Monger....but I'll try to work on becoming racist, honest I will ;D
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
I came to a conclusion that the only reason I kind hate on Floyd is because i want for him to at least unify at any weight no matter if it is at 140, 147, 154. I mean at 154 there is travis Simms uff that will be a very hard fight for PBF that guy is fast and strong with great boxing, at 147 we got MArgo, Cotto, Pwillias , Mosley ans then some and at 140 there is Hatton. I just want for him to unify ate any of those weights
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I'm not sure if anyone has said this yet because I stopped reading at page 4 when this started getting ridiculous. But I was thinking about this topic and realized that he probobly would have never made it to these guys. Aaron Pryor would've kicked his ass at 140.
Look PBF is a great fighter, but his rise to power through the 140 and 147 lb division was a joke. Its just too hard to try and calculate how good he is because he just has not been truelly tested. He came up at precisely the right time to not fight anybody. I'm not saying it was his fault, It was his time to come up and if there was nobody in the way he is not to blame for that. Very similar to Jones Jr later in his caree. However, Roy made up for it with his long reign and total dominance of his division (175).
We would have gotten a better picture of Floyd's greatness if he had come up a 5 - 6 years earliear (KT, DLH, Mosley, Tito, Quartey, Vargas) or even a year later ( Hatton, Cotto, Margarito). Then we would know how good he is. The fact is we don't know and if he stays retired we will never know. He has to do what Jones did. He has to dominate a division (147).
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by Puya
I came to a conclusion that the only reason I kind hate on Floyd is because i want for him to at least unify at any weight no matter if it is at 140, 147, 154. I mean at 154 there is travis Simms uff that will be a very hard fight for PBF that guy is fast and strong with great boxing, at 147 we got MArgo, Cotto, Pwillias , Mosley ans then some and at 140 there is Hatton. I just want for him to unify ate any of those weights
CC Puya. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
It is his fault he hasn't been tested....who do you think kept the Hatton fight from happening, who kept the Margarito fight from happening, who's never going to step in the ring with Miguel Cotto, who wants to retire right now?
Floyd is a paper tiger until he unifies....he's a very good fighter and he did beat De la Hoya but I can't put him up with ANY of the greats simply because he hasn't beaten everyone who is out there....Leonard, Hearns, Pryor, Chavez, Duran, Arguello, Sanchez, Gomez, Cuevas....those guys fought pretty much everyone who could pose a threat
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
If he was in that era it wouldn't make a difference cause he would have found a way to avoid those guys anyway.
At least while they're still in their prime.
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by Lyle
It is his fault he hasn't been tested....who do you think kept the Hatton fight from happening, who kept the Margarito fight from happening, who's never going to step in the ring with Miguel Cotto, who wants to retire right now?
Floyd is a paper tiger until he unifies....he's a very good fighter and he did beat De la Hoya but I can't put him up with ANY of the greats simply because he hasn't beaten everyone who is out there....Leonard, Hearns, Pryor, Chavez, Duran, Arguello, Sanchez, Gomez, Cuevas....those guys fought pretty much everyone who could pose a threat
Floyd kept the Hatton fight from happening ::** ;D ;D ;D Yeah, Hatton running back down to 140 when Floyd was on his way up to 154 really showed how gung-ho Ricky was about trying to make that fight ;D ;D
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by Lyle
It is his fault he hasn't been tested....who do you think kept the Hatton fight from happening, who kept the Margarito fight from happening, who's never going to step in the ring with Miguel Cotto, who wants to retire right now?
Floyd is a paper tiger until he unifies....he's a very good fighter and he did beat De la Hoya but I can't put him up with ANY of the greats simply because he hasn't beaten everyone who is out there....Leonard, Hearns, Pryor, Chavez, Duran, Arguello, Sanchez, Gomez, Cuevas....those guys fought pretty much everyone who could pose a threat
Floyd kept the Hatton fight from happening ::** ;D ;D ;D Yeah, Hatton running back down to 140 when Floyd was on his way up to 154 really showed how gung-ho Ricky was about trying to make that fight ;D ;D
2 different styles, Floyds style better suited for moving up in weight. , Mayweather aint gonna fight any how, so what difference weight gain for him ? Ricky on the other hand comes to fight. He needs to stay at the correct weight. 140 is spot on for Hatton, that where his frame puts him !
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Re: If PBF fought in the era Leonard, Hearns and Duran how do you think he do
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Lyle
It's hard to pick out specific things when it's all he does....the walking away from a fighter, the head nodding at a fighter, the picking up a fighter so he could beat him up more...actually that was funny but it's still disrespectful.....I can't remember ANY respect Floyd ever gave ANYONE.....even his pops as a fighter he talked S*** about him.
And when has he done any of these things? I offered the one example of the time he kept patting his chin against Judah in the 12th round. That was definitely showboating, and I'm sure part of it was to embarrass Judah because Zab had hit him intentionally below the belt and in the back of the head.
Other than that I can't think of a single instance of Floyd showboating in the ring. There's a difference between trash-talking in the buildup to fights (which Floyd does all the time) and showboating in the ring. I'd say Floyd is a big trash talker, but in the ring he sticks to business, he doesn't clown around or showboat.
If he were that big of a showboater, I would think that people would be able to come up with at least 4 or 5 examples right off the top of their head.
Sweetpea, I don't think Mayweather's a showboater either, but let me help Lyle out with an example: talking to Jim Lampley while fighting someone in the ring. He's done it 2-3 times and once was so bad that Lampley had to stop talking to Floyd so Floyd would stop talking to him. Specifically, I think Mayweather predicted the Falcons would win a game against a team I can't remember now, Lampley said something else, and then Mayweather responded to that too. But that doesn't overshadow a whole career.
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I think it's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that JonesJrMayweather is a 15 year old wannabe gangster who watdches the occasional boxing match and hears about how Mayweather and Roy Jones are "the shit" and "gangsta" so he watches them and noone else but maybe Tyson and automatically proclaims them the greatest evah! He has no knowledge of the sport AT ALL. He knows which fighters are cool and got respect "in da hood" (aka his suburban neighborhood) and consideres them the best. The sad part is he has to share his ridiculous thoughts with an educated boxing forum. It's annoying enough hearing you retards on the streets or at school, but on a boxing forum trying to disprove people who actually know their shit is maddening. Stop posting dude, for everyone else's sake.
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Guess some one has some anger god you haven't been on forms very long to judge people.
