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Frozen Solid.
If im honest, I think by the time Ali fought Young, he was still a wiley but pretty shot fighter.
Prime for prime theres no way im gonna agree that Lewis gets beat by Young. Ive taken time to watch two of his fights and yes he IS decent, theres no question about that but i noted that all he did was expose Ali as an old man and expose Foremans dismal conditioning past round 6 and his total lack of technique.
One must also note that after the Foreman fight Young never really reached those heights again.
OOps sorry Mr :D
I'd have Lewis in th honourable mention category
So you do not consider lewis a top ten sugar and if you don't who is above him
Because i do not have any one that would knock him out of the top ten and scrap it is cool i have a weird name any how i said that because i am not sure what you were talking about but its all cool and i thank you for your post
I have seen your lists and you give old fighters too much credit im not knocking you or anything but i noticed it when i look at your lists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw
Did he list on mine ice or was it on another one i seem to have missed sugar's list somewhere if you did post it
He made quite a few lists he makes one every couple of months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
So what is he the kind of guy with Louis at the top and Jack Jonhson on his top ten something like that
The 90's were the 2nd strongest period in Heavyweight boxing after the 1970's.
Lennox Lewis is No.1 of alltime.
Lennox Lewis is No.1 of alltime.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
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Saddo has released the flood gates holding the turnips back...
I would not go as far as putting him number one but i can see him ahead of george that is all that i am saying
whats wrong with Jack in a top ten list? They guy carried fighters for rounds then ko'd them just to earn more on the film rights. I think maybe you should do some homework on the Galveston Giant. He was one of the first great tactical geniuses. Essentially Pernll Whitaker as a HW but could punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I seen film on him i do not think he belongs in the top ten sorry its just my opinion i was just wonder how sugar made his list if he goes with older fighters then i guess Lewis won't make his top ten i was just wondering and i was not bashing him if that what you were thinking on that comment i just feel that jackson is to old school i mean he was the champion in the early 1900's and i think he could not compete with heavys of the 60's and up he was a great for his time but i doubt he be great now that all i am saying
That is half the reason i have a problem thinking anyone before the 60's besides louis, Tunney, Rocky, belong on the list
Sorry bud Johnson is one of the few HW's from pre 1950 that could fight todays champs and win. 6'2 220 lbs, awesome defense, footwork, reflexes and good power. He'd beat more than half of most peoples top HW's to include Lewis. You can't hate on a guy b/c he fought 70+ years before you were born.
Have you seen some of the guys he lost to during his carreer as well they weren't great either i thick lewis would kill him in a fight
Sorry Mr 140 but Johnson makes my list so Lewis doesn't.
you realize that Johnson had no amature career dont you? He literally learned how to fight as a pro. 7 of his 14 losses came after his 40th birthday as well. He beats Lennox...Soundly.
No way in hell would Johnson beat Lewis are you serious ?? it would be a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
As for Mr140 you have to realize that even though athletes have got better and better Johnson was still great for his time and for certain should be in the top 10 just like Jesse Owens was great for his time.
Rating the best Heavies is always difficult as unlike every other division there is no weight cap. Therefore it is hard to measure how one heavy from one era will do against another as they are not the same weight! IMO Johnson is a greater heavyweight than Lewis!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Ice Lewis has never been in the ring with a fighter with the kind of abilities that Johnson had. Johnson's reflexes, handspeed and defense would cause Lennox fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Well who in gods name has johnson ever been in with that is even close to lewis name me that
I'd say Jim Jeffries, is a similar big punching fighter like Lewis. That being said size and punching power which is Lewis's main pluses over Johnson weren't huge factors against some other top smaller fighters such as Mercer and Holyfield II. I like both these guys, but neither was the total package that Johnson was. Give Johnson current nutrition, training and conditioning he wouldn't be questioned. It is only the time period he fought in that effects his legacy.
Well that what i said in the first place his time is what does not put him in the top ten he was back in the 1900's
so 140 are you saying that no fighter before 1940's deserves a place in a respective weight classes top 10?
height 6′ 1″
reach 77“
weight 239
Mercer
height 6′ 2½″
reach 78
weight 221
Holyfeild
height 6′ 1½″
reach 29“
221
Johnson
Tell you the truth Evander was alot better then you give him credit for and we are talking if they johnson came out the 1900's and lewis fouaght him out the 1990's because what your saying does really matter because i am talking if they faced each other out of their era and i have lewis winning
Well look the heavyweight division is different there is no cap on it and heavies have gotten bigger and stronger and the game has evolved i mean come on some of the guys johnson fought weren't even heavies by todays standards
If you are going to judge by those standards then Marciano/Louis/Tunney shouldn't be on a top 10 list. I think you'd be hard pressed to find just about anyone who doesn't think at least one of those three should be on a top 10 list.
Well what ever i say your not going to agree so i leave at this you think Johnson greater heavy then Lewis and i do not you are welcome to your opinion
You saw my list you know were i stand and thats were i am at and will probably stay at for now
Jim Jeffries ?? what the hell ?? he is nothing like Lewis what so ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Tell you the truth i think that Evander would be a hand full for Johnson as well
Don't get me wrong I love Evander. I think the Holy's desire to get the KO caused some of his problems. He should have boxed more and slugged less, and I think he should have fought lighter closer to 200 and not 215. I think the extra muscle lead to alot of his stamina problems. I thought he beat Lewis in the rematch, but the first Lewis fight, losing 2 outa three to Bowe and the poor showing at the end or perceived end of his career make his legacy suffer. I could definately see him beating guys like Louis/Frazier/Tunney , but not prime Ali/Holmes/Foreman. Evander is the epitomy of styles make fights...But I think Johnson would be able to outpoint him and stay out of the slugfest that Evander would try to impose.
That is a very good point i had Lewis on both but that is just me and cc for a good analysis were Evander stands
And i would love to see what your top ten list is Van and if you put one up i will look again
this would be my top 5
1 Louis
2 Marciano
3 Ali
4 Frazier
5 Holyfield