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1 more thing, you go on about Ali like he never had a dull fight and he fought In prime KO machines week in week out, Obviously you haven't watched his career, because he fought alot of bums aswell and looked mediocre against them and alot of his fights went the distance.
Lewis's dull fights were dull because he simply out boxed them and the other fighter never had a chance of winning !!
Of course a lot of alis fights went the distance. You have to look at who he was fighting. Ali was never known for knock out power like lewis was. Ali would kill lewis. When ali was younger he never had a dull fight like lewis-tua.
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Originally Posted by muchmoore
So Lewis has a couple of dull fights were he won every single round and its like he has committed murder,
Roy Jones made a career of having dull fights were he out boxed his opponent, Hopkins does it, DLH does it ... and you said when Ali was younger he never had a dull fight, well neither did Lewis and considering Lewis was 36 when he fought Tua you have to say its a pretty damn good boxing display, and I see Tua never gets blamed for how boring that fight was, thats the first person I blame because he was poor in that fight and couldn't get anywhere near Lewis, and got his head jabbed off !!
Oh so everyone Ali went the distance with were great boxers .... dont think so, the likes of Joe Bugner spring to mind, twice went the distance with Ali !!
Its difficult to compare boxers from 2 different eras
But no doubt if Lewis was American he'd be considered one of the greatest of all time.
Very valid point about the Klitchko fight Lewis wasn't 100% for that fight IMO and I'm certain he would've been alot better in an immediate rematch. Nobody beats Lewis twice
Klitcszho never beat him once ......LOL
Shit people say it so often I think I actually forgot the fight for a minute ;D
Oh yeah Klitchkos bloody mess of a face is coming back to me
Thats actually quite funny was Klitchko even winning on the score cards?
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Originally Posted by PunchDrunkHighOn_?
Yeah he was 2 rounds up .... but them early rounds it looked like to me Lewis was taking the piss abit, the telling punches in the fight were Lewis's and I could only see one person winning it and that was Lewis.
I love it when Rocky talks dirty. :D
I used to say ali would dismantle tyson. But after watching alis early fights particularily his fight with doug jones a young ali may have been in trouble as ali got hurt in his younger days and against tyson he may not have reovered. After winning the belt ali began to grow physically stronger and became alrger stronger man who could tie you up, that version beats any version of tyson. Lewis to big and slow ali could dance all nigth lewis had nothing for him. I get flamed often for this but holy may have given ali trouble as huis style is similar to nortons only he is much tougher and has better hand speed, Id still go with ali outjabbing evander with his big reach but boxing is styles. I would take ali as the favorite against just about anyone
PAC .... what do you mean he was slow ??? Hands or feet !!
I think your wrong with either one, really wrong !!
I think lewis in comparison to ali would have looked slow hand and feet next to ali. Hed look slow and plodding. Lewis a great fighter but Ali would make him look silly, many fighter lewis could beat from the past but stylistically a young ali would have made him look stupid. Holyfield lewis 2 holy was out boxing lewis but onluy fighting in spurts and holy had lost alot of handspeed by 36- 37. Ali in his prime would have been like light speed compared to holy, no way lewis can no way
Well I only say what I have seen ........ and Ali in his prime, people say his prime was 64-67 well I think he was to small for Lewis and Lewis would of took centre ring ... had Ali backing up with the jab and picked him off, you have to remember Ali never fought anyone the size of Lewis and his reach is huge and he is pin point with his jabs and that booming right hand is as powerful as any punch in boxing history, just ask Rahman !!
Ali could move well and looked great doing it, but he weighed not much over 200lbs then .... Lewis could move aswell you know, thats my point... he wouldn't be as fast as Ali but all the other factors would make up for that fact, but to say Lewis was slow is a joke. I think the early rounds Ali would of been doing alot of moving, but would not be effective like he was fighting the likes of Liston.
He probably had the second best footwork next to Ali.
Tell you what there are some Lennox Lewis haters in this world !!
Ive said me peice, can't believe none of you will admit that Ali would definately not have it is way against someone the size and the skill of Lewis.
Lewis would of beat him, the size difference and the power difference and the fact that Lewis was a class clever boxer just like Ali was, it just says to me Lewis would of dropped him !!
Many people say that was alis prime but honestly it was not, Ali put weight on as he got older and was not exactly a smally man as many people believe. Lewis simply would eat the jab all night he would not be able to get off, he would not be able to land his right hand at all. I think lewis could give many heavy weights of the past trouble but certianly not ali, i thinknit have been a mismatch but Im not lewis hater. I go by styles and what i have seen.
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Originally Posted by pacdog
Pac why are you talking about Lewis vs Holyfield, Â Lewis is only a year younger than Holyfield, Â but your talking about Ali when he was 22.
Ive noticed every fighter Lewis beats they were all past their best and all the excuses come out .... Lewis is older than Tyson a year younger than Holyfield. Â Is Lewis Peter Pan or something, Â doesn't age like normal people !!
Lewis-Holyfield 2 Â was closer than the first 1 but Lewis still won it, Â now the first 1 was a boxing masterclass, Â I dont give a fuck what you say, Â Lewis always said he would fight Holyfield like that listen to the commentating on the 1st Holyfield-Bowe fight, Â Lewis is screaming for Bowe to use his jab !!
To many if's but's and excuses for me when yanks start talking about Lewis, Â I only go off what happens in the ring and Lewis wupped everyone from the 90's and finished the show by actually stepping in with the best heavyweight of the next era and stopping him too !! Â Â class act
Lewis is a big man big punch, lewis at 35-36 would give a 35-36 ali nightmares. Ali, holyfield, relied on speed, all I was saying is how if holyfield was 30 lewis 29 Id give the edge to Holy based on styles and quickness. Evander could box all night long not fight in spurts like when lewis fought him. Bigger pucnches fight longer because the punch is the last thing to go. But lewis was unusuall in that in his prime he wasnt in his prime, I thought he looked dreadful agaisnt bruno a c fighter at best and i thought he lost to ray mercer. But had lewsi fought mercer the way he fights now hed beat him its just the way it its. Holyfield againt bowe is what happens when a 206 pund man decides to trade with a 235 plus man he made a huge mistake not boxing in that fight
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Originally Posted by pacdog
So whats his prime then PAC ??? Â Â Â Â Â Â a fucking mismatch ...... LMAO Â Â This gets better, Â OK I'm leaving it there. Â
You always get people that just say ooh .... Ali was the greatest, Â after they have seen a program on the rumble in the jungle or something, Â well I am going off actually watching most of their fights.
I would say Ali was at his best around his last fight before being banned, those three years in all likely hod would have been alis prime.Thats part of boxing just as lewis matured ali matured physically and mentally. I agree with you but I also disagree with you on lewis footwork. Its good for a big man thats all Ill say about that. No matter how good the monstter heavies are they are all somewhat goofy on their feet. To say lennox had footwork like ali is laughable ;D
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Originally Posted by pacdog
Lewis at 35 would put a 36 year old Ali in a fucking coffin ya daft fuck !! lol
Yeah,  heard alot of people say that shit about Mercer winning,  and erm I downloaded the fight the other week cos i couldn't remember it that well,  and then after I watched it I thought,  hmmmm  what the fuck are all them Lennox Lewis haters talking about,  It was a good fight,  oh yeah Lewis proved he had a great chin in that fight too,  put I put money on it if Holyfield would of landed that many punches on Mercer and boxed exactly the same fight no fucker would be saying Mercer won and making a really big point of it,  I had Lewis winning by 2. Â
The Bruno fight, Â Bruno did well but if you know boxing and the story behind the fight you would know Bruno was really up for that fight because they really did not like each other, Â The thing is, Â Lewis KOED him to fuck in 7 rounds, Â Bruno landed a few jabs and a couple of good rights in the fight so fucking what, Â He also rattled Tyson to fuck in the first round of their fight. Â means fuck all !!
About the Holyfield-Bowe fight ..... Â Â Â that was my point exactly, Â your saying thats what happens when a 206lbs man trades with a 235 plus man, Â Â well that was my point about what Lewis was saying, Â why fucking trade with Holyfield when you have got a 8 inch reach advantage and a 4 inch height advantage, Â it was Bowe's mistake not Holyfields !!
The problem is this for me, even with lewis reach i still see him getting outjabbed and simply outworked by a prime holy much like the 2nd fighter only increase holys speed by 40%. either way evander should have reitred after tyson he did what he had wanted to finally due beat the man who he missed from his era, lewis was the up and coming guy and belongs after anyway
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Originally Posted by pacdog
You ask, the likes of Tua, Â Tyson, Holyfield and Rahman about how good Lewis is on his feet, Â all of them could not get inside if their dicks depended on it, Â Â both Tyson's corner and Tua's were pleading with them to get inside and both of them said in the corner .... I cant !! Â watch both fights and its uncanny both say the same. Â And you can say but Tyson was not in his prime and Tua was slow .... Â they seem to get inside fighting every other fucking fighter they have faced !!
Lewis's footwork aint as pretty as Ali's but he could still fucking move better than any other heavyweight I have seen !!
Rocky...you know Lennox gave Byrd a belt just not to have to fight him right?
Also Ernie terrel is exactly the way Lewis fought and was #2 contender at the time ...sorta far from "scraping the bottom of the barrel"
Go play some more video games Marshmellow
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ie-Terrell.php
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Originally Posted by pacdog
The up and coming guy, Â Â what the fuck are you on about, Â by 97 Lewis had been champion for 5 years lost and retained it ..... LMAO @ up and coming. Â
I think your getting up and coming mixed up with the fighter Holyfield and Tyson never wanted to face !!
pacdog--did i mistake you ? best when he fought holmes & berbick? ..her was a shell? he wasnt even at his best when he fought foreman ..but most matured....i cant imagine how he could be seen as better towards the end of his carreee when he had parkinsons & took laot of hits ...compared to the day when nobody could even touch him and he was known as having the fastest hands ever? ???Quote:
Originally Posted by pacdog
Tua is basically mike tyson of the mid 90's. Tyson in his prime had incerdible head movement and swarmed all over you, I dont care what people say i said it myself when he comes out of jail sure he will knock out some guys but he wont be what he was. Im sorry i know your gonna get pissed but if people were saying the tyson that fought holy was shot how much more was he shot against lewis. Tyson looked horrible againast botha, again people who dont knwo boxing will say hell he knocked him out didnt he? yes but mike should have never had that kind of trouble with botha. You state that bruno stunned tyson yes, but again tyson was on the down then. Say what you want after rooney tyson skills noticeably declined. Watch some old clips and youll see in speed an defense mike is another galaxy in the early 80's. bruno was also not in his prime when lewis fought him and lewis struggled against him.
No you misundersttod me, I to me anyway ali looked overall the best near his final fight before exile. Ali struggled in some of his early fights aka doug jones before liston. He just matured much like lewis.
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Originally Posted by means2184
you 2 are retards
He meant when he got banned from boxing mongo .... Â !!
If your refeering to me as being a retard I sincerl hope not especially when you say lewis had footwork that rivaled ali ;D
i gotcha pacdog
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Originally Posted by pacdog
Now just read that message its all excuses for Tyson, Â then a nasty little remark about Lewis struggled with Bruno. Â
spells to me that you just dont like him, Â end of. Â Â Â I was like that, Â but watch him man he will be missed to fuck, Â he already is that why people want to see him fight Klitszcho that much because out of any heavy's out there its Lewis who really has a chance of beating him AGAIN !!
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Originally Posted by pacdog
LOL ..... shit im getting double teamed by the mongo brothers !! ;D
rock the bottomline i think lewis is a great fighter just dont think he could have beaten ali thats all. peace :)
Hey you look the retard by your total lack of knowledge about boxing, Â or may be you do and you just cant come to grips that Lewis wupped every fucker going and would of bingoed Ali everywhere !!
""by 97 Lewis had been champion for 5 years lost and retained it"" <----Wrong again Marshellow man !:dummespost: Â Lewis lost the WBC title in 94 ....WON it as it was vacantin 97.....in between that time he won the the lowly reguarded IBF titlef from tommy morrison ....Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display....001853<--lewis record
Yes lennox the plodding goofy bastard versus ali yeah lennox would have won, and I know nothing about boxing ::)
Can 1 person tell me why Holyfield and Tyson did not fight Lewis as early as 95 onwards ???
I do know Tyson paid Lewis 4 million not to fight him. Â
And Lewis was the only man to get under Holyfields skin in a fight, Â did you see his face when he went back to the corners in their fights. Â LMAO Â Â Â He could not figure out what the fuck was going on. Â Â
Rocky you need to check your knowledge if anyone does
1997 wasnt that long ago
I also noticed how holyfield was beginnig to tea off on  lewis in 2 that leiws threw holy over the ropes, it seems leenox was getting a little man
Oh well i was trying to be polite but I really thin lennox is a 240 pound p**** who fights like a girl. Oh and against tua he made like he beat the hell out of him he stuck the jab out like a girl for enitre rounds, sure he won but he did not try to take tua out beacuse he has a chin like woman. Lennox ducked ibeabuchi, the match was going to be made but lewis backed out
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Originally Posted by means2184
Lewis won the title after shitbag Bowe wouldn't fight him in 92 ... Â Â lost 94 ... Â regained a version of the title .... Â so what I said was right ... in five years he had lost and retained the title and you were calling him up and coming. Â
Like i said holyfield lost to bowe, so that set up rematch, lewis lost to oliver I suck mcall. That was everyones elses fault thats what took him so long. Holyfield had been champ thats why he got a rematch, lewis lossed when he was never champ thats why it took so long idiot stick