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..i'm not sure how unpopular but i've always got a negetive reaction when i half heartedly say "berto will beat one of the top guys in the division by the middle of next year. In a fight he's given no chance to win. And andre direll is a lot better than he's let us see yet. I for good reason even got blasted by the wife for that statement.
ok here goes
1 Lennox Lewis is a top 10 all time heavyweight champion
2 had hamed met barrera in their super bantamweight days and hamed was still being trained by brendan ingle then barrera would have been KOd. hamed in his prime would have also beaten the likes of pacman and morales
3 bowe in his prime (against holyfield 1992) would have had a chance against heavy in history
4 tyson with kevin rooney in his corner would have beaten any heavy in history
5 hearns would have beaten hagler in a rematch
i think thats enough danger now :)
Even though Oscar and everyone else Forbes has faced couldn't knock him out, I feel like Berto will do the job. Berto is ready for the likes of Quintana, Cintron, Collazo, and an Old Mosley (I think he should fight one of those guys after Forbes) but he might be a couple fights too shy of being ready for Margarito, Williams, Mayweather and Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
not sure if its unpopular but Yuriorkis Gamboa will be p4p no1 in a few years!
Foreman would have beaten Ali in a rematch, Fraizer is overrated
Ibeabuchi could have taken over the Heavyweights...
thats all for now ;D
see my post on this page. Im in agreement. I think he would have beaten any heavy in history had he stayed with RooneyQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
the only one I disagree with there is Frazier being overrated :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
Yup. Same as if Lacy got lucky against JC with a Haymaker then moved up to beat a drained Tarver before blowing his rotator cuff, the overrated brigade would be sucking his cock til kingdom come.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Diego Corrales should have been dq'd for spitting his mouthguard out against Castillo and the fight awarded to Castillo.
Unpopular opinions:
-This one is VERY unpopular considering how people worship Cotto around here but...yeah, he has the skills but I just think he's overrated. First time he fights a guy in IN HIS PRIME (Margarito) and look what happened.
-Don't remember Mayweather ever showing a CLEAR weakness/flaw.
-Mayweather didn't run from anybody, the money simply was not there.
-ODLH is one of the GREATEST boxers and has accomplished many things other boxers wish they did.
-I did enjoy Mayweather vs ODLH fight. It was not necessarily a Morales vs Barrera kind of fight but I saw 2 of boxing's greatest fight a cautious tactical fight that kept me on my toes. Both were far from really dominating eventhough ODLH was the one keeping the pressure.
Yep..... it's official. You and I live on opposite sides of the boxing universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
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... that DelaHoya vs. Pacquiao fight will happen... :lolhaha:
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P4P rankings are borderline useless and entirely subjective.
The habit of big named fighters jumping weight divisions to meet fellow status major players while ignoring the legitimate competition and challenges in their own backyards is too easily tolerated,leads us to overlook many lesser known fighters....we loss.But money talks.
HBO is biased towards it's house fighters.
Berto is overrated and has received an extremely easy ride to the top.He will not have the commitment and needed experience to step in and punch with Mosley and will get knocked out when the time comes that he HAS too adapt.
And he NEVER stopped running from the big boys. Everytime he moved up there was a weaker, beatable champion for him to face and when he has nowhere to run to...... Ah I'll retire, let these tough guys beat each other up and return to fight another damaged fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
1.BritKid obviously wasn't as smart as most people thought. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SimonH
2. Roberto Duran is overrated. Many sportswriters rank him top 5 p4p all time, which is unjustified.
ok here it comes ;)
Calzaghe is overrated
Sonny Liston is overrated
Paul Williams deserves to be on the p4p rankings
Bhop could beat Mavin Hagler
SRL schooled Marvin Hagler
Tyson is overrated
Rocky Marciano is overrated
PBF would beat any body from 154 on down
David Haye will get KTFO by Wald or Vitali, and even Sam Peters
Jermain Taylor beat Winky
Pacman beat JMM fair and square in their 2nd fight
Kessler will lose to Taylor or Froch
all weight classes below feather weight are useless
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I agree with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
Oh restarting this thread for all new commers , good idea.
I think the Rock cheated by chopping away with the sides of his gloves.
Jeff Fennech looked good against only smaller men.
Ricky holder hatton bores me more than vlad.
Mine would be that ali was no were near the greatest heavyweight of all time just the best spokesman for boxing but not the best boxer
One thing I have never liked is the perception and/or opinion that Asian fighters are not as great as some historians make them out be. In my view, they have been terribly neglected by the "so-called experts" who vote people into the Hall of Fame. I have a hunch this might be corrected in 2009, but time will tell. Ah, now I feel better for getting that off my chest. Thanks for the thread that allowed me to do that. :banghead:
Here are some of my opinions that might be a bit unpopular:
Shane Mosley was unbeatable in any era at lightweight. Simply too much speed and power. Even for Duran.
I've always thought that people must have been blind to score the ODLH-Quartey fight in favor of ODLH. I always thought that Quartey clearly won that fight and was absolutely robbed. That was a great fight BTW.
Ricky Hatton talks about being an all action fighter but the majority of his fights are boring as hell and frustrating to watch.
Manny Pacquiao is not P4P #1. That honor should go to Joe Calzaghe. He's more talented as a boxer than Manny is.
The only person that Floyd Mayweather could not beat in and around his different weight classes is Winky Wright.
Evander Holyfield's amazing run as a heavyweight was only possible due to steroids.
Pernell Whitaker would have given Sugar Ray Leonard fits.
ODLH would have beat JCC in his prime too.
Kostya Tzyzu's resume is a bit overrated
Just who he fought and beat. If you think he could have beat ODLH or Mosley, etc, fine, but that's not what I'm talking about.
Ricky Hatton is not a top ten P4P guy anymore. Not sure how unpopular that is. Neither is Winky Wright.
Jorge Linares is being a little over hyped. Funny since I was one of the first to construct the bandwagon.
Jorge Arce wasted a lot of time when he was in prime, and got away with it because everyone likes him so much. After the Hussein fight until the Mijares fight he fought a lot of retirees and virtual no hopers and nobody cared, if it had been other fighters they would have been ripped.
Simple my unpopular opinion inwhich everyone in the boxing scene thinks Ali was the Greatest. My opinion differs I would barely have him in the top 5
1) Both De La Hoya and Mosley conveniently avoided Kostya Tszyu!
Those fights should have happened and i'm not buying some of the lame excuses i always get for it not happening.
2) Lennox Lewis was a lumbering Oaf! The Brits hate me saying this but in reality he would have been humiliated by Ali, Foreman and Smokin' Joe would have landed that famous left hook by round 2 or 3 on that questionable chin of Lewis. He was also lazy (Rahman) and over confident (Holyfield 2) He was clearly robbed in the first fight but i think he lost the 2nd one.
Hopkins could beat Hagler.
Calzaghe would dominate Pavlik. ( my opinion on that was supposedly crazy before the Hopkins fight, Not so crazy now though is it ?)
Prime for prime Hopkins could beat Jones.
Mosley is overated.
Paul Williams is also overated.
1- Undefeated fighters with talent and presumed great are untested and ducking the real deal. (as the case of Guzman, PBF, Calzaghe)
2- Ring Mag ratings are tainted since it was acquired by Goldie Company
Great point.Out of sight,out of mind.Thank god for downloads though ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Canadians hate you too, but probably not as much as the Brits. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Yes, i expect they both do. I just find Lewis kind of....boring!Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMCanadians hate you too, but probably not as much as the Brits. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I like the Fatman though and i like Canadians! :)
:) And if I wanted to move somewhere far away, Australia would be up near the top of my list. As for Lewis, yeah I get your drift he could be pretty dry at times, but when he decided to unload, watch out. One two lights out! p.s. who is the fatmanQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANYes, i expect they both do. I just find Lewis kind of....boring!Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMCanadians hate you too, but probably not as much as the Brits. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I like the Fatman though and i like Canadians! :)
Hatton...i like him and i love the Fat suit!Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM:) And if I wanted to move somewhere far away, Australia would be up near the top of my list. As for Lewis, yeah I get your drift he could be pretty dry at times, but when he decided to unload, watch out. One two lights out! p.s. who is the fatmanQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANYes, i expect they both do. I just find Lewis kind of....boring!Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
I like the Fatman though and i like Canadians! :)
That Hatton is a different animal at 140 whoever he fights...& that Joe Calzaghe really is something special....
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B-Hop is a top 10 fighter of all time.
Willie Pep is The Greatest fighter of all time.
John Ruiz is a good fighter.
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Originally Posted by Boom Boom
Really? :-\ ;D
-Had Cus D'Amato not died, Tyson would have been the best ever. That was the beginning of the end.
-I think Bernard Hopkins fought a lot like John Ruiz in the Calzaghe fight and disgraced himself.
-I think Kelly Pavlik is overrated because he's white; I think Joe Calzaghe is underrated in America because he's white. Ricky Hatton too.
-I think rap/hip hop is retarded, across the board. I think it becomes exponentially more retarded when Europeans and Asians do it and take themselves seriously.
-I don't think Ali was the greatest, time periods (among other things) prohibit actual, fair comparisons. Having said that, I don't think he was better than Foreman or Frazier- those fights being too circumstantial. He had the prettiest boxing form and was the best entertainer. I also think it's ironic that he spend so much time being a loudmouth and now cannot speak.
in this thread i want people to state unpopular opinions they have about boxing without the fear of being sad click.
mine would be that if PBF was still at 130 he would beat barrera morales JMM and PAC. most people say i'm crazy but thats just the way i feel.
You know good well you can't say a black or white fighter could beat a mexican, puerto rican or asian fighter. Are you mad? Do you want to get banned? Lol of course Floyd Mayweather would beat JMM or Pac and he could do it on the same night. Anybody who thinks different is a prideless american or just a idiot.
Mine would beat that Rocky Marciano is one of the most unskilled and overrated boxers in boxing history. A man who best wins came against guys pushing 40, 2 were blown up middleweights in Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore. The reality is Charles beat Marciano in their first fight. So did Ted Lowry and Roland LaStarza and neither of them were heavyweights either.
Yet Marciano would knock out Foreman, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Frazier, Ali all in the same night. He could barely beat guys his own size when there past their primes but he could beat people who out weighed him by at least 25 or 30 pounds? Amusing don't you think? Marciano's so called punching power was not nearly what you people claim it to be. As i said in another post Archie Moore was a middleweight who stayed at that weight class for at least 10 years. As a middleweight he was knocked down numerous times and knocked out a few times as well and i believe he was knocked out in 1 rounds before by a nobody of a fighter, yet it took Marciano 9 rounds of punching behind he head to do so?
You can't name one fighter Marciano fought who you would consider a hall of famer who was still in their prime that Marciano beat. Hell Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore careers are built up just to make it seem like Marciano fought somebody. Even the so called Great Joe Louis is overrated. Who did he fight? Just names built up to make him seem great which in turn made Maricano seem like he fought somebody. You can't name one 200 plus pound heavyweight Joe Louis fought could you.
That was unpopular to say but 100 percent the truth.
You know Foreman why dont you talk about your fighters faults as well. Since i seen you talk so much shit about other fighters that i find some what funney because alot of it is opinion you try to pass on as fact. Foreman was out beaten by a old Ali by punching him self out which pretty dumb thing to do. then goes on to lose by total getting outboxed by young and looking like terrible because of his winging shots. He is lucky he landed that shot on Moorer because he lost every singal round of that fight but credit to him for taking the shots and getting it done. You say that Larry Holmes ducked him that funney all he talks about is fighting him i think Foreman did not want to fight the guy because he be outboxed.
Oscar DLH has, in my opinion, had extensive liposuction on his thighs and regularly gets botox injected into his head. And he kisses Bernard Hopkins on the lips. I imagine these are unpopular opinions that I have.
good post but this is actually not an unpopular opinion if you talk to guys here who really know boxers from asia they too will tell you this same opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
sounds more like a fantasy. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles