When did he make his comeback? Didn't know he had fought this century ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam1982
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When did he make his comeback? Didn't know he had fought this century ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam1982
lol ye :coolclick:
my top 15 heavyweights of all time are:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Rocky Marciano
3. Joe Louis
4. Mike Tyson
5. Joe Frazier
6. George Foreman
7. Sonny Liston
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Jack Johnson
11. Lennox Lewis
12. Jersey Joe Walcott
13. Larry Holmes
14. Evander Holyfield
15. Ken Norton
Do you agree????
ye thts quite a gd list
cheers ;)
I assume your comments are tongue-in-cheek. If some of Rocky's fights were fixed, his opponents needed to get paid way more than they did based on the beatings he handed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
Also, as stated earlier by someone - where is Sullivan on this list? He was champ for 10 years and traveled from coast to coast :boxing2: challenging ANYONE to a fight, and never lost (knocked one guy out in 2 seconds!). Granted, these opponents were guys from the street, but can you see any modern heavyweight champ doing that? Tyson probably would have.
no. that is off.Quote:
Originally Posted by C0unterPunch
marciano was undefeated yes. and lets not even bring up the whole arguement about him not being undefeated.
who did he beat to be that high? he fought in the weakest era possible.
style wise he wasnt that good.
lol ok - so you don't agree with 1 person, does that make the rest of the list bad????
that was just for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by C0unterPunch
i didnt want to throw it all on you at once.
lol ok tell me wot else i need to change. unlike you i can accept other peoples opinions. :)
you obviously dont read my posts. hell if my favortie fighters has flaws i will point them out. do you see anyone else do this? if i explain to someone how a certain fighter will win and they jump on the bandwagon and say something why the same fighter would win that is incorrect i will tell them.Quote:
Originally Posted by C0unterPunch
i would have louis above ali although i can see ali as number 1.
even though i like mike, going by accomplishments he shouldnt be that high. holyfield and holmes should be higher.
yeh i don't read all of your posts lol. so my list wasn't all that bad really, you have to admit that i picked some quality fighters even if they were not parrallel to your opinions.
i will give you thatQuote:
Originally Posted by C0unterPunch
but explain to me why that you have marciano ahead of louis.
and holyfield and holmes that low?
ok, personally i think that holmes and holyfield are a tad overrated but not so overrated that they don't get onto my list.
and as for putting marciano ahead of louis, well i can tell why this is controvertial (spelt wrong probs) but he was undefeated and did beat louis. i do realise that louis was well past it when he lost that fight though.
i think in hindsight i would put them in a joint position because louis did dominate the division all through the 40s.
sorry im taking time to reply i was eating :)
holmes held the belt for 7 1/2 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by C0unterPunch
holyfield was the only 4 time heavyweight champ (legitimatelly he was only 3 time, but the same as ali)
but what did marciano do to give you that opinion? really all you are really saying is marciano should be second because he was undefeated
louis held the belt for nearly 12 years.
yes because being undefeated is very impressive - come on even you can admit that.
and holmes was playing nobodys like spinks in the 80s, and he was only one in that division who had the talent to keep a title.
.....that was until tyson bursted onto the scene in the late 80s by beating him.
also i dont think that holyfield was fighting at the standard ali was fighting in the 70s.
post back :)
it is impressive, but they were worse then the guys holmes beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by C0unterPunch
holmes had a great jab, good speed, decent power, a good chin, good boxing ability, well the point is he is a lot like ali but around 90% as talented. so if you defend ali you can really bash him.
holmes was old as shat when he lost to tyson.
holyfield beat a lot of top fighters. and yes this discussion is about him as a heavyweight but he was able to beat top fighters at cruiser too.
well anyway there are my reasons for putting holmes and holyfield that low. but yeh i admit the marciano position is controversial, but i am sure many boxing experts could agree with putting marciano at the top end of the list.
so why is walcott that high?Quote:
Originally Posted by C0unterPunch
I am guessing to back the marciano arguement
look up an experts list and tell me where they ranked the fighters. you can find them on the net. I know, I just want you to find a real expert and tell me where he is ranked as #2.
ok will do. i like jersey joe walcott he was a good tactical fighter. what would be your top 15?:)
and im not making any excuses but my boxing knowledge aint bad for a 15 yr old
well im only 18 and when i was 15 i knew more than you do. but i will give you that you do know a lot for a 15 year old.Quote:
Originally Posted by C0unterPunch
when i was 15 i knew more than you do
i could have bet my soul on you saying that lol ;)
well yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by C0unterPunch
when i was 13 i was the hbo boxing forums prediction champ.
i was just trying to teach you something about boxing because you learn stuff in levels and there was a time a lot of my opinions were like yours.
ok, out of interest do you box?
i do. and i know mostly about the art of boxing, even more then i do history and facts, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by C0unterPunch
nice how long have you boxing? i know that boxers adopt different styles for different boxers but what is your preferred style.eg. inside or outside puncher
I fight a lot like Judah does.Quote:
Originally Posted by C0unterPunch
how long u been boxing?
True but he put him down and was apparently diagnosed hepatitis afterwards which also apperantly explains why he punched himself out so quickly after the knockdown!Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
1- Tyson
2- Ali
3- Louis
4- Frasier
5- Marciano
6- Foreman
7- Holmes
8- Lewis
9- Holyfield
10- Klitschko (I think Vitali at his best was better than Wlad)
I can only really do from the 1940 ish onwards as I just can't judge before that. Other than stats and the odd highlight, I just don't know enough about people like Jack Johnson.
I've based it not on records, but on absolute prime and how they would have faired when at their very best. E.g- Holyfield beat Tyson twice, but still wasn't better than him on his best day.
Many will probably disagree with a few, but I think that on his best day, Tyson would murder anyone. As much as I dislike him, a Vitali on his very best day would have been tough for any of the greats.
Well i obviously disagree with guys like Frazier, Tyson, but in truth Rocky Marciano wouldn't beat any of those fighters at there best, he's simply too small.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
Marciano wa sprobably the only one who swayed me to put him in there on merit. I've seen less of his fights than anyone elses.
ELkabong I agree with everyone except Riddick Bowe who should stay right where he is but if Sonny wasn't in Jail and punching out cops he might have had the title sooner. Sonny never saw a jail he didn't like. Nice thread keep them coming.
1- Ali
2- Louis
3- Holmes
4- Tyson
5- Frazier
6- Foreman
7- Lewis
8- Holyfield
9- Jack Johnson
10- Dempsey
Where the hell is Henry Cooper in this messed up list???Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
I don't think Tyson is quite up there as his reign of terror wasn't all that long 1985-90. Plus I think Holyfield is really tarnishing his image as he stays on and on and on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Hard to argue too much with your first nine...while there would be some debate, no one would fault you for listing those nine.
Bowe, however, doesn't even make the top twenty -- IMHO. Off the top of my head, people who definitely belong over Bowe include Gene Tunney (who is one of only three heavies, I think, to beat everyone he faced -- Marciano and Lennox Lewis were the others), Vitali Klitschko and probably Wladimir Klitschko -- assuming he doesn't lose any more fights by the end of his career. The Klitschko bros. are the Larry Holmes of their day. They won't garner the respect they deserve until they retire.
Just my opinion, take it or leave it. Fun stuff.
1 tyson
2 ali
3 foreman
4 marciano
5 cooper
6 louis
7 holmes
8 lewis
9 holyfield
10 dempsey
The iron was the greatest heavy weight if not for those ear biting he made.
Having Henry Cooper at number 5 in the all time greatest heavyweights, negates anything else you say from now on ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by anderzon
Joking aside, welcome to the forum :cool: