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Psychiatry students were in their Emotional Extremes class. "Let's set some parameters," the professor said. "What's the opposite of joy?" he asked one student.
"Sadness," he replied.
"The opposite of depression?" he asked another student.
"Elation," he replied.
"The opposite of woe?" the prof asked a young man called Lyle.
The Southern Gentleman replied, "Sir, I believe that would be giddyup."
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Man Made Global warming is complete and utter crap...what happened from the 1970's til now? NOTHING! I thought we were all supposed to die horrible deaths from Global Warming YEARS ago.........hey I'm still here so let's just put this myth of MAN MADE global warming to bed....pollution is bad but it's not "brewing giant hurricanes" as Al Gore suggestsQuote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Explain exactly what Carter did that was bad. For instance, the economy. What did Carter do that was bad for the economy? How did he make the economy worse. Use facts and evidence in your answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Well acting like a pussy during the Oil embargo hurt him big time he didn't fix the problem he tried to make America more like the USSR where the government allows you to have the temperature in YOUR OWN HOUSE only so hot or so cold and when the government is trying to tell anyone what they can or can't do in their own house it's over stepping the bounds. Intrest rates were also very high, the prime rate was 21.5%.....that's the highest it's ever been.....EVER.
Fact is all economies run on oil and therefore not gaining any access to oil hurt the economy of America. You don't have oil = you don't sell anything, you don't sell anything = people don't have jobs = the government doesn't collect as much when the tax man comes a knocking.
But awwww he had good intentions....so I guess we'll give him a break
As I expected, bugger all substantive from you in reply. The oil embargo was something out of Carter's control. Exactly what could any president have done to force the Arabs to put their oil back on the market?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Carter had the guts to put interest rates up to kill inflation, even though he knew it would mean no chance of winning a second term in office. He doomed his own political career to do the right thing for America.
Here's a comparison for you Lyle. Carter came to power and inherited double digit inflation which Nixon had created and done nothing about and Ford had continued to do nothing about. The only way to get inflation down was to appoint a Fed chief that was an inflation hawk but this would mean the Fed raising interest rates to levels as high as 20% to get the economy back on track. Carter bit the bullet and did what Nixon and Ford didn't have the balls to do.
Bush 43 came to power with record low inflation, low interest rates and the first Federal budget surplus since before the Depression. The country was in a shallow recession* that ended even before he enacted his tax cuts, but the overall fiscal health of the country was outstanding. He then proceeded to blow the fiscal situation up with huge unfunded tax cuts and when they failed to produce economic growth slashed interest rates to unsafe levels and printed historic quantities of dollars to fund the deficits caused by the tax cuts. When the housing bubble he'd created started to deflate he was left with the same choice Carter had -- raise rates and stop printing money to get the economy/fiscal situation on track and stop inflation/the oil price soaring, or continue his policies, knowing he'd need to print epic quantities of dollars to prevent the economy from catastrophe but making the long-term situation much worse. Bush chose the coward's way out, picking a Fed topper who was nicknamed Helicopter/Backstop Ben for his stated willingness to run the printing presses at full speed to deal with any economic problems.
One of these guys inherited a disastrous situation and dealt with it. The other one inherited the best economic situation of any president in living memory and created a total disaster, something you'll discover when your shrinking paycheck buys less and less over the next few years. From a position of surplus the deficits are now so big that the US is currently borrowing $1 trillion a year from foreigners to maintain its current standard of living. The total worth of the US is roughly $50 trillion, so you're effectively giving away a State a year to foreigners which you'll have to pay back in future at whatever rates of interest they're demanding to hold assets in depreciating dollars.
* Recessions are actually necessary every few years to cleanse overinvestment/capacity from the economy and allow markets to form more realistic prices for goods and services. Clinton could easily have avoided the recession at the end of his time in office by running the printing presses and flooding the financial system with money, something Bush has done almost nonstop since he took office, but Clinton had the balls to maintain fiscal discipline and abide by the rules he'd set for monetary policy.
So Jimmy Carter was a martyr.....hell of a campaign slogan. He was a shit president and EVERYONE in this country knows it. He did NOTHING to get the hostages free, he did NOTHING to end the oil embargo, and the economy was driven into the ground under his watch....but it was the reason for Reagan's success???
So if Obama has a great time with the economy it's due to George W Bush???
I guess that means Hoover paved the way for FDR to do what he did :rolleyes:
He sent the military to get the hostages out. The military fucked it up. Then Reagan started secret negotiations with the Iranians to get the hostages out while the GOP publicly said no negotiations with terrorists, so Carter had no chance to get them out after Reagan turned traitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Again Lyle, exactly what could Carter do to end the embargo?
And I already explained about the economy. If you want to argue he did a bad job using facts and evidence then go right ahead, otherwise you're just blowing bubbles.
....forget it....ask any American and they will tell you Carter was and still is a piece of shit but don't believe me. Carter didn't do ANYTHING about the embargo and you know what's better than nothing????? SOMETHING but Carter is a pussy and his little Iranian buddies let him down
What do solar panels have to do with global warming? I think I was referring to renewable energy that we don't have to depend on anyone else for. Just like Michael Moore I've learned to put Gore's comments in proper context.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleMan Made Global warming is complete and utter crap...what happened from the 1970's til now? NOTHING! I thought we were all supposed to die horrible deaths from Global Warming YEARS ago.........hey I'm still here so let's just put this myth of MAN MADE global warming to bed....pollution is bad but it's not "brewing giant hurricanes" as Al Gore suggestsQuote:
Originally Posted by Killface
The fuel embargo ended in 1974 Lyle. Carter didn't take office till 1977. Unless he had a flux capacitor it'd be almost impossible for him to do anything about the embargo. You'll have to blame GOP president Gerald Ford for that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The traitor Ronald Reagan was the guy with the Iranian buddies, not Carter.
I'm asking you Lyle, not just any American. I'm wondering what specific things you know that show Carter as a bad president. I'd also be willing to put money on the fact that five years from now you'd gladly have voted for a Jimmy Carter in the 2008 election. Unfortunately for you it doesn't look like either of the available candidates will be as good a president as Carter was, and that's going to cost you money.
Oil IS renewable, if it wasn't we'd be out of it and not finding MORE of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
As for Carter...did he do better or worse than Ford??? The numbers and the American people say WORSE, it doesn't matter how or what Carter's policies were or what they affected those numbers show that Carter's policies didn't work
I won't fight you on Carter. He was prez when I was born and I always heard he sucked. And oil is not renewable. There is a finite amount even if we haven't found most of it yet. The Earth is only so big and oil isn't growing, it's just setting where ever and we're drinking it up. Besides, renewable or not, demand has increased and thus price. Tapping offshore reserves only insures more money for oil companies and not reserves for only Americans to use and be able to get on the cheap. China drives the price up by coming out the pocket to whomever has it and those American oil companies getting it offshore would just as likely sell it to them as to us. We need to shift to resources, whatever they may be, that are less effected by supply-and-demand principles, create more diversity in the marketplace by taking our eggs out of one basket that is oil and begin to learn how to live with less. If I had the dough I'd love to have my house fitted with solar panels. I heard Ian McKellan say he sells electricity back to the utility company. Our American mentality of consuming without awareness of the effects or side effects has to end.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleOil IS renewable, if it wasn't we'd be out of it and not finding MORE of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
As for Carter...did he do better or worse than Ford??? The numbers and the American people say WORSE, it doesn't matter how or what Carter's policies were or what they affected those numbers show that Carter's policies didn't work
Oil is a natural substance and was made before humans were here and various gases and substances are found on other planets which have (we can assume) never sustained life and therefore this idea that oil is made up of fossils is kind of silly.
We have more oil on this earth than we can use in my lifetime and I plan on living a while....I mean if we really buckled down and used more everyday then MAYBE we'd hit a couple bumps in the road due to the refining process but there's plenty oil out there.
Forget everything you think you know about oil
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe fuel embargo ended in 1974 Lyle. Carter didn't take office till 1977. Unless he had a flux capacitor it'd be almost impossible for him to do anything about the embargo. You'll have to blame GOP president Gerald Ford for that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The traitor Ronald Reagan was the guy with the Iranian buddies, not Carter.
I'm asking you Lyle, not just any American. I'm wondering what specific things you know that show Carter as a bad president. I'd also be willing to put money on the fact that five years from now you'd gladly have voted for a Jimmy Carter in the 2008 election. Unfortunately for you it doesn't look like either of the available candidates will be as good a president as Carter was, and that's going to cost you money.
Come on Lyle, stop dodging and answer the post.
Hey how about you ask all the Americans you know about what Carter did....it doesn't matter WHAT he did the effects were bad end of story
The problem with that thinking is you leave it to someone else down the line to deal with. Sure we have enough, but if we remain dependent on it when it does go into short supply then the prices rocket through the roof and industry becomes crippled. And think about what has happened to gas prices while we've had enough. In 1997 I paid (however briefly) $.70 per gallon and could fill up my tank for less than $10. A little over a decade later and we've crept over $4. With sky high demand that will only increase in the coming years you really don't think we need to do anything to diversify where we get our energy from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Jesus Lyle, first off you deny that global warming is real and now your saying that crude oil isn't what scientists have confirmed it is hundreds of years ago?
Oil is made from the rotted remains of live material millions of years ago.
When these live materials died and under unique atmospeheric changes, they were compressed to different substances.
Underwater remains were compressed to make sedimentary rock.
Underground remains were rotted and compressed to become oil.
Simple as.
How do you explain methane being one of the main gases found on Venus? Methane is a main component of Natural Gas...yet that is also called a "fossil fuel"....ergo there would have to be fossils on Venus and that would mean there would have to have been life on Venus.
Crude oil is just a chain of hydrocarbons as are methane, ethane, butane, etc and those gases can be found on other planets in our solar system, planets I might add that never had life on them that we know of.
What live materials would make up oil? Dinosaurs? Bugs? Plants? Whatever it was there would have had to have been a lot of it because there's a ton of oil....so I think it's easier to consider oil as being made abiotically but I don't reckon I'll win that arguement since everyone's minds are already made up.
Oh and Man Made Global Warming is bullcrap
I think that any American that was paying attention thought that Carter did an excellent job under the conditions he was working under.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Now what are these bad effects you speak of?
Well if you think that it only confirms the fact that your views on American politics come from a EUROPEAN standpoint.
Unemployment and inflation....both waaaaaaay up in the Carter years and as President he was correctly held accountable for that and he was destroyed by Reagan. And Carter made America lose face again and again
The inflation was caused by a GOP president printing money to pay for a foreign war and increased government spending, plus the increase in the oil price caused by printing all those dollars/oil shocks that no president could control. Sound familiar? Exactly the same thing is happening now and if the next president doesn't have the balls of Jimmy Carter and do what he did to kill inflation you'll be paying for $10 gas from your ever-shrinking paycheck in a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Year Inflation Unemployment (1)
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1961 1.0% 6.7%
1962 1.0 5.6
1963 1.3 5.6
1964 1.3 5.2
1965 1.6 4.5 < Vietnam war spending increases
1966 2.9 3.8
1967 3.1 3.8
1968 4.2 3.5
1969 5.5 3.5
1970 5.7 5.0
1971 4.4 6.0
1972 3.2 5.6
1973 6.2 4.9
1974 11.0 5.6 < First oil crisis
1975 9.1 8.5
1976 5.8 7.7
1977 6.5 7.1
1978 7.6 6.1
1979 11.3 5.9 < Second oil crisis
1980 13.5 7.2
1981 10.3 7.6
1982 6.2 9.7
1983 3.2 9.6
1984 4.3 7.5
You can see here that unemployment actually fell during the Carter years.
And If Carter hadn't raised interest rates inflation would have kept on soaring
under Reagan.
Carter dealt as well as he could with the situation he was dealt and was the only president
out of the Nixon, Ford, Carter era with the balls to tackle inflation.
It had to fall a little bit or everyone would have been unemployed, I mean the gas prices have now fallen (from what they have been) and Bush is still in office and he's still getting shit for high gas prices same deal with Carter and unemployment
Unemployment fell under Carter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Bush created the high gas prices, unlike Carter. When you increase spending to pay for foreign wars and huge government spending increases then slah taxes you create a huge revenue gap which can only be filled by borrowing and printing money, both of which George has done at record levels ("record" doesn't even begin to describe it actually.) Because you're increasing the total number of dollars in the economy, the value of each dollar falls.
http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/S...%2120%5D&pnf=y
That's what bush has done to the dollar. (The Dollar Index is a measure of the dollars performance versus a basket of major currencies.)
Because the dollar is cratering, the cartel that control the oil market, OPEC, demand more dollars to make up for the fact that the currency oil is traded in is falling, so oil goes up in price. If Bush hadn't printed the number of dollars he has then oil would be no more than $50 a barrel instead of $120, even if he'd still invaded Iraq.
And if McCain wins and carries on the same Bush policies (which he says he will, record new tax cuts etc.) you can see that the problem is going to get much worse.
Unemployment fell under Carter huh? 7.1 in 1977 when carter took office to 7.2 in 1980 (I'll even spot you a year ;)) a year before Carter left office..since when do things fall up Kirkland???
Yes, whenever you get your oil changed, they drain it into a container. Motor oil doesn't burn up, it just gets dirty, so it is cleaned and then reused.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleOil IS renewable, if it wasn't we'd be out of it and not finding MORE of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
As for Carter...did he do better or worse than Ford??? The numbers and the American people say WORSE, it doesn't matter how or what Carter's policies were or what they affected those numbers show that Carter's policies didn't work
....don't try to help me Clubber
The year he won the election unemployment was higher than when he left office. Even if you go 77-80 it's only a 0.1% increase, a rounding error, and irrelevant when you consider the situation Carter had inherited and had to deal with. The bottom line is there was no huge increase in unemployment to blame Carter for, unlike say Bush almost halving the value of the dollar in eight years. Now that really is significant. Bush will also end his term with unemployment significantly higher than it was under Clinton, not a 0.1% blip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Rounding error? Is that another way of saying that you were wrong? You said "It went down" and it obviously didn't
Over the time period I chose to reflect Carter's presidency I was right. Being right is something I specialise in. If you pay attention to what happens over the next few years you'll be forced to end up saying to yourself "that English fucker was right!". On politics/geopolitics/economic issues you'll eventually be forced to admit to yourself that I'm always right about everything, and even when I am wrong about something it's a level of wrongness so insignificant to the overarching issue or subject (about which I'm always right) that it in no way affects my overall level of infallibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
:)
...uh huh well I'm glad to know you're so humble
As it was in the beginning and is now and ever shall be, I'm always right about everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Except the numbers YOU posted show that YOU are wrong....but I guess we can overlook your mistake as it happens so infrequently :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAs it was in the beginning and is now and ever shall be, I'm always right about everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
That's OK, you're forgiven for daring to question my Infallibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleExcept the numbers YOU posted show that YOU are wrong....but I guess we can overlook your mistake as it happens so infrequently :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAs it was in the beginning and is now and ever shall be, I'm always right about everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
....yeah I wonder how many of those jobs were provided by the government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx0lddf5D4A
Carter cut the government payroll more than any other president in recent history. A lot of the deregulation of the US economy that Reagan took credit for was started by Carter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
And what's the point in posting a fact-free Obama advert? Here's McCain in his own words :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnb2I...sus_mccain.php
Hey buddy...McCain is solutions oriented his energy policy is a lot more feasable now that he's FOR drilling in America. We can't afford to be oil prudes!
Meanwhile the Democrat Congress is trying to save the planet......if they really wanted to do that they should all just shoot themselves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAUEIYrsxkA
Che Guavara and Obama?
Marxists for Obama?
People who hate America for Obama?
Come on, Lyle. Offshore drilling isn't going to do anything for us. The companies doing the drilling are not obligated to sell their oil exclusively to us. They can sell to anybody- more than likely China considering they're just doling out cash to anyone with oil and have only increased their demand. I'm not saying don't drill, but don't think that's going to help anything- especially within the next decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
McCain's energy policy is designed to fool people into believing it would have an effect on gas prices. In reality his energy policy is to give billions of dollars of socialist government handouts to the oil companies on top of the roughly hundred billion in handouts the Bush administration have paid out every year for the last seven years. There isn't any bs those guys come out with that you won't believe, is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The Democrats want to stop the GOP policy of spending trillions of dollars of borrowed money on energy wars abroad for the exclusive benefit of a few big corporations (including obviously US oil companies) and instead invest trillions in new clean energies. Now which policy is smarter in the long run?