Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

He isn't a good fighter. He's the least worst heavyweight in a garbage division. If he'd been born 20 years earlier nobody would ever have heard of him.

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Yeah they would have 1988 the heavyweight division wasn't exactly STACKED....sure Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe,....Tyson was on the decline. Wlad would have been up there with them.

List the contenders those guys faced and Wlad would beat them

Laing disagreeing with Lyle :o

I think what people are misunderstanding is, the reason people don't give him credit for beating Sam Peter is because they don't think anything of Peter or anyone else in the division. That's the whole point, it's a shitty division with a mediocre champion. Yeah he has top wins over top contenders like Byrd and Peter, but if people don't think anything of Byrd and Peter then obviously they aren't going to rate those wins.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

He isn't a good fighter. He's the least worst heavyweight in a garbage division. If he'd been born 20 years earlier nobody would ever have heard of him.

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Yeah they would have 1988 the heavyweight division wasn't exactly STACKED....sure Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe,....Tyson was on the decline. Wlad would have been up there with them.

List the contenders those guys faced and Wlad would beat them

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He stayed well out of the way of anybody good fighting journeymen in Germany till they retired, clearly he knew his limits even before he discovered his jaw was constructed out of the finest crystal. Your boy got beat by Ross "The Boss" Purrity, a garbage fighter with a losing record. He fights knowing one good punch on his china chin will put him on his Frankenstein arse yet again which is why his fights are always rubbish. No heavyweight with a glass jaw will ever be ranked as a great heavyweight. He only holds a belt because there are no good heavyweights anymore.

Wlad tired out vs Purrity...hey shit happens Wlad's champ now so fucking live with it

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Wlad tired out vs Purrity...hey shit happens Wlad's champ now so fucking live with it

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He's only champion by default. In any other era the glass-jawed Frankenstein lookalike would be in a freak show or farming cabbages in whichever former Soviet hellhole he originally comes from.

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Originally Posted by amat

Laing disagreeing with Lyle :o

I think what people are misunderstanding is, the reason people don't give him credit for beating Sam Peter is because they don't think anything of Peter or anyone else in the division. That's the whole point, it's a shitty division with a mediocre champion. Yeah he has top wins over top contenders like Byrd and Peter, but if people don't think anything of Byrd and Peter then obviously they aren't going to rate those wins.

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What can I do? Lyle is always wrong about everything.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

He's only champion by default. In any other era the glass-jawed Frankenstein lookalike would be in a freak show or farming cabbages in whichever former Soviet hellhole he originally comes from.

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Uh huh...Joe Louis was also Heavyweight Champion "by default" as was Rocky Marciano as was Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson....hell by your rational the only guys to earn it by having depth in the division are Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Bowe, Holyfield, and Lewis.

Wladimir is THE BEST and not by a little bit either...if you're waiting for Haye why don't you wait til he has actually FOUGHT a heavyweight hell I'd take you pumping up Odlainer Solis before Haye only because Solis has fought all his fights at heavyweight (and he KO'd Haye in the Olympics).

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

He's only champion by default. In any other era the glass-jawed Frankenstein lookalike would be in a freak show or farming cabbages in whichever former Soviet hellhole he originally comes from.

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Uh huh...Joe Louis was also Heavyweight Champion "by default" as was Rocky Marciano as was Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson....hell by your rational the only guys to earn it by having depth in the division are Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Bowe, Holyfield, and Lewis.

Wladimir is THE BEST and not by a little bit either...if you're waiting for Haye why don't you wait til he has actually FOUGHT a heavyweight hell I'd take you pumping up Odlainer Solis before Haye only because Solis has fought all his fights at heavyweight (and he KO'd Haye in the Olympics).

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David Haye is going to beat your boy like a gong. Unless he gets knocked out first of course. :)

Anyone getting the impression that Klitschko is sinking down to the level of his competitors?
While most of us expected a champion to blow out an inferior opponent, Klitschkos pyschological make up might mean that he regresses. The lack of fear and respect for his opponents talents may reduce his motivation and cause him to go through the motions and just do enough to win.

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Originally Posted by cpcompany

Anyone getting the impression that Klitschko is sinking down to the level of his competitors?
While most of us expected a champion to blow out an inferior opponent, Klitschkos pyschological make up might mean that he regresses. The lack of fear and respect for his opponents talents may reduce his motivation and cause him to go through the motions and just do enough to win.

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I agree completely, that's one of my main problems with Klitschko, he fights at the pace and to the level of his opponent. That pretty much can't be denied imo.

If he fought "to the level of his opponent" then wouldn't he have closer fights?

Wladimir sets a methodical pace as he has tired out before when he really went for the kill too early like the first Brewster fight

Solis beat Haye in the Worlds not the Olympics