Ok Calzaghe Haters What Does He Need To Do In Jones Fight To Get Respect!

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by Drago

but who in anyones opinion can he beat to gain more respect

hopkins again too old
RJJ too old
Pavlik ;D
Carl froch, everybody will say he not proved himself
Chad Dawson same as above
Glen Johnson already been beaten plenty of times
Tarver just been beaten & gettin old
jermain taylor too small
Kessler already beat him

not a whine, just is there anyone he can beat that will help with respect, we all know he cant get a time machine & travel back to fight benn, eubank in prime, collins, RJJ prime, b-hop prime (whenever that is maybe now?)

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Bro, none of you guys get it... the answer is no one... Haters hate. That's what they do... People either like him or dislike him... that's it.

Had he fought Jones in his prime and beat him he'd be on another level and a star in the US as well as Britain but that's neither here nor there at this point cuz Jones would have cut him to ribbons in his prime IMHO.... But everytime I've bet against Joe I've been wrong so who am I to judge.

there will always be an excuse for the haters...

It's a losing battle, my friend

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You better bet against him next week, because Jones is gonna beat ,him trust me dude

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by Drago

but who in anyones opinion can he beat to gain more respect

hopkins again too old
RJJ too old
Pavlik ;D
Carl froch, everybody will say he not proved himself
Chad Dawson same as above
Glen Johnson already been beaten plenty of times
Tarver just been beaten & gettin old
jermain taylor too small
Kessler already beat him

not a whine, just is there anyone he can beat that will help with respect, we all know he cant get a time machine & travel back to fight benn, eubank in prime, collins, RJJ prime, b-hop prime (whenever that is maybe now?)

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Bro, none of you guys get it... the answer is no one... Haters hate. That's what they do... People either like him or dislike him... that's it.

Had he fought Jones in his prime and beat him he'd be on another level and a star in the US as well as Britain but that's neither here nor there at this point cuz Jones would have cut him to ribbons in his prime IMHO.... But everytime I've bet against Joe I've been wrong so who am I to judge.

there will always be an excuse for the haters...

It's a losing battle, my friend

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You better bet against him next week, because Jones is gonna beat ,him trust me dude

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JT, I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT, my friend!

But Joe as lost me to much money... I did not put a bet down on this fight JUST cuz Joe is involved...

I hope he can pull a Hopkins(not a JC Hopkins but a KP Hopkins;)).

I put £10 on Jon Thaxton other week and won £43.33 and slapped it straight on Jones if he wins i get £162.49 but i told the wife she can have it:p what was i thinking that means he is gunna win and she will have my money NOOOOOOOOooooooooooo!!!

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

I put £10 on Jon Thaxton other week and won £43.33 and slapped it straight on Jones if he wins i get £162.49 but i told the wife she can have it:p what was i thinking that means he is gunna win and she will have my money NOOOOOOOOooooooooooo!!!

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;D i did that with the first holyfield tyson fight put a tenner on it & said if i won the bet i would buy summit nice for the girl, think won abt £100, ditched her b4 had chance to spend money on her;D what i git i was

to flog a dead horse a little more

Calzaghe seems to get slagged off for not movin outta SM division as well until end of his career, but he wanted to achieve the record of most defences, which he acheived.

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

Bro, none of you guys get it... the answer is no one... Haters hate. That's what they do... People either like him or dislike him... that's it.

Had he fought Jones in his prime and beat him he'd be on another level and a star in the US as well as Britain but that's neither here nor there at this point cuz Jones would have cut him to ribbons in his prime IMHO.... But everytime I've bet against Joe I've been wrong so who am I to judge.

there will always be an excuse for the haters...

It's a losing battle, my friend

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You better bet against him next week, because Jones is gonna beat ,him trust me dude

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JT, I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT, my friend!

But Joe as lost me to much money... I did not put a bet down on this fight JUST cuz Joe is involved...

I hope he can pull a Hopkins(not a JC Hopkins but a KP Hopkins;)).

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This fight means more than a Tarver or Johnson fight. Roy knows whats at stake here. His AT-Greatness, legacy and place in boxing history. He will let it hang out with his wang out.. Roy even in those tidbits of training footage on 24/7 looks fast, crisp, sharp fluid,relaxed and The real Roy Jones confident.. Roy is going to give us all something we havent seen in a while, a sublime performance for the ages... This fight is absolute redemption for me.. What happened with Tarver and Johnson wont mean a damn thing when he beats Calzaghe and then hopefully moves on to Hopkins and beats him in his swan song.

Everyone said that Jones was finished, well he picked himself off the floor scratched his way back to this point on the main stage once again, he aint letting all that hard work go to waste

Put a time machine in Jones' corner to reverse his age 5+ years then beat him.

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Originally Posted by Killface

Put a time machine in Jones' corner to reverse his age 5+ years then beat him.

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;D would be nice to see

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

You better bet against him next week, because Jones is gonna beat ,him trust me dude

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JT, I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT, my friend!

But Joe as lost me to much money... I did not put a bet down on this fight JUST cuz Joe is involved...

I hope he can pull a Hopkins(not a JC Hopkins but a KP Hopkins;)).

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This fight means more than a Tarver or Johnson fight. Roy knows whats at stake here. His AT-Greatness, legacy and place in boxing history. He will let it hang out with his wang out.. Roy even in those tidbits of training footage on 24/7 looks fast, crisp, sharp fluid,relaxed and The real Roy Jones confident.. Roy is going to give us all something we havent seen in a while, a sublime performance for the ages... This fight is absolute redemption for me.. What happened with Tarver and Johnson wont mean a damn thing when he beats Calzaghe and then hopefully moves on to Hopkins and beats him in his swan song.

Everyone said that Jones was finished, well he picked himself off the floor scratched his way back to this point on the main stage once again, he aint letting all that hard work go to waste

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i aint seen any of the 24/7 anyone know if on british tv?

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Originally Posted by Drago

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

JT, I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT, my friend!

But Joe as lost me to much money... I did not put a bet down on this fight JUST cuz Joe is involved...

I hope he can pull a Hopkins(not a JC Hopkins but a KP Hopkins;)).

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This fight means more than a Tarver or Johnson fight. Roy knows whats at stake here. His AT-Greatness, legacy and place in boxing history. He will let it hang out with his wang out.. Roy even in those tidbits of training footage on 24/7 looks fast, crisp, sharp fluid,relaxed and The real Roy Jones confident.. Roy is going to give us all something we havent seen in a while, a sublime performance for the ages... This fight is absolute redemption for me.. What happened with Tarver and Johnson wont mean a damn thing when he beats Calzaghe and then hopefully moves on to Hopkins and beats him in his swan song.

Everyone said that Jones was finished, well he picked himself off the floor scratched his way back to this point on the main stage once again, he aint letting all that hard work go to waste

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i aint seen any of the 24/7 anyone know if on british tv?

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You can watch it on the HBO site at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Killface

Put a time machine in Jones' corner to reverse his age 5+ years then beat him.

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I got say I disagree with that Logic.. Jones is now 39 and Calzaghe is 36

So your saying Jones would have to be 2 years younger than Joe to beat him.. Yea Right!

The only thing he could do to silence even the dark lord (maybe), would be to convincingly beat RJJ, and then do the same to Chad Dawson. (i think i feel a thread coming on...)

Couldnt we just stick all of saddos JC haters in a new york bar with 4,000 travelling brits!!

Why is this site so fucking pro-margarito, pacquiao, mijares, pavlik yet so anti hatton, calzaghe, de-la hoya???

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Originally Posted by Drago

to flog a dead horse a little more

Calzaghe seems to get slagged off for not movin outta SM division as well until end of his career, but he wanted to achieve the record of most defences, which he acheived.

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But did he achieve the record? he did 21 defences didn't Ottke also do 21?

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Originally Posted by Drago

Will a knockout do it?
Will a unaminous decision do it?
Will a split decision do it?

As many folk on this site think RJJ is gonna win,then if Calzaghe wins U have to give him respect. correct?

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Fight him 7 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Drago

Will a knockout do it?
Will a unaminous decision do it?
Will a split decision do it?

As many folk on this site think RJJ is gonna win,then if Calzaghe wins U have to give him respect. correct?

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Fight him 7 years ago.

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already discussed the time machine my friend

Joe has put himself in a lose/lose situation. Joe wins...he will have beaten a clearly past his prime Roy Jones. He loses...his already questionable resume will look that much worse.

I don't think anything he could do here would appease the haters. Even if he knocks him out cold, folks will just say that Jones was past it and Tarver and Johnson did the same thing. If Calzaghe wanted to improve his legacy, he should have taken the Pavlik fight, then he could have gotten the bigger payday with Jones for his farewell. After seeing how poorly Pavlik deals with movement and superior hand speed, I have little doubt Calzaghe would have won a wide decision and he'd be the guy getting praised for beating the young lion. Passing on that fight was a mistake, but I guess hindsight is 20/20.

Just win

He's already in the HOF whether he wins or not.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

You better bet against him next week, because Jones is gonna beat ,him trust me dude

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JT, I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT, my friend!

But Joe as lost me to much money... I did not put a bet down on this fight JUST cuz Joe is involved...

I hope he can pull a Hopkins(not a JC Hopkins but a KP Hopkins;)).

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This fight means more than a Tarver or Johnson fight. Roy knows whats at stake here. His AT-Greatness, legacy and place in boxing history. He will let it hang out with his wang out.. Roy even in those tidbits of training footage on 24/7 looks fast, crisp, sharp fluid,relaxed and The real Roy Jones confident.. Roy is going to give us all something we havent seen in a while, a sublime performance for the ages... This fight is absolute redemption for me.. What happened with Tarver and Johnson wont mean a damn thing when he beats Calzaghe and then hopefully moves on to Hopkins and beats him in his swan song.

Everyone said that Jones was finished, well he picked himself off the floor scratched his way back to this point on the main stage once again, he aint letting all that hard work go to waste

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Frankly, I'm not as impressed with the Jones comeback as most. He beat two journeyman level fighters and then a big name in Trinidad who was coming of a three year layoff and in any case was fighting 16 pounds above his best weight (or 23 if you consider his best at 147). Don't get me wrong, Jones is a top 10 all-time fighter, but I still think he is well past it.

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Originally Posted by Drago

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Drago

Will a knockout do it?
Will a unaminous decision do it?
Will a split decision do it?

As many folk on this site think RJJ is gonna win,then if Calzaghe wins U have to give him respect. correct?

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Fight him 7 years ago.

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already discussed the time machine my friend

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Mine wasn't a time machine.

7 years ago they'd both have been younger.

I said fight him 7 years ago, not "just" fight the Jones of 7 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Drago

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Fight him 7 years ago.

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already discussed the time machine my friend

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Mine wasn't a time machine.

7 years ago they'd both have been younger.

I said fight him 7 years ago, not "just" fight the Jones of 7 years ago.

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oh my god...

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Originally Posted by zhubin

Joe has put himself in a lose/lose situation. Joe wins...he will have beaten a clearly past his prime Roy Jones. He loses...his already questionable resume will look that much worse.

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Exactly.

If he bashes the sh1t out of roy jones, roy is past his prime right now therefore joe wont get the respect for it.

The haters will say that he beat a washed up roy jones.

Its so sad that jones never fought calzaghe 8 years back when calzaghe offered it to him and jones refused.

Even if joe bashes jones then the haters will still spout 'but a prime jones would have beaten joe'...when all this is just simply hate.

Jones never fought anyone as good as calzaghe in his entire career, calzaghe has never fought anyone as good as a prime jones in his career.

So its a pretty meaningless fight (unless jones wins), but if calzaghe wins then all we know is that both calzaghe and jones are the best super middle weights ever (which we know anyway)...and that the real loss is boxing itself BECAUSE THESE GUYS NEVER FOUGHT EARLIER.

Some people will still rate jones higher than calzaghe, others will rate calzaghe higher than jones, its entirely up to the person AND THATS THE BEAUTY OF BOXING...EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION AND IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION...WITHOUT OPINIONS WE WOULDNT HAVE DISCUSSION AND THE BOARD WOULD BE V BORING;)

Either way, if calzaghe wins then he will go down on paper as the greatest super middle weight ever, but who knows...had they fought earlier (when it was offered to jones, 8 or so years back but he declined), jones wouldve gone down on paper as being the greatest.

I'll also add, just because someone goes down on paper as being the greatest, doesnt mean they were the best, just means they achieved the most. But then again, that is what competitive sport is about, about achievement.

Might as well leave it at that, 2 legends fighting each other, LETS ENJOY WATCHING THESE 2 GET IN THE RING TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT FIREWORKS MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN:)

As boxing fans!

If Joe loses he will look a complete DICK!;D

I respect calzage but he gains no respect for this fight what does it prove?
Last year calzage said roy jones was past it now he wants to fight him.
I think he just wants jones name on his record to make a case for the hall of fame.
He sould fight chad dawson who is undeafeted and not over the hill then what can anyone say
Its boxing though people will always dought you no matter who you beat look at any graet fighter in his own era he was doughted constanly it was only after he leaves people realize the void he left behind and begin to appreciate him.
Not comparing calzage to but examples:
Ali
tyson
duran
hagler
just a few but you get the idea

Joe is supposed to win this fight... It won't do anything for his legacy when he wins except that years down the road when people see Jones on Joes record they'll be like, "wow, he must have been good." But many won't know it was due to his drastic decline...

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Originally Posted by Killface

Put a time machine in Jones' corner to reverse his age 5+ years then beat him.

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I got say I disagree with that Logic.. Jones is now 39 and Calzaghe is 36

So your saying Jones would have to be 2 years younger than Joe to beat him.. Yea Right!

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No what I'm saying is many people feel Jones is a shot fighter and that this fight should have happened 10 years ago. Joe may be on the decline but is still very good. 'Shot' is not a word people would use to describe him. And the fact of it is, for Joe to get his due respect he would pretty much need to do something 'miraculous' like fighting a younger Roy Jones. That would satisfy a Calzaghe hater, of whom, I am not.

well the fact is roy jones has been clean knocked out twice, been outpointed, regarded as a old shot fighter refuseing to retire so nothing cowardzaghe does will gain him respect from beating a way past his best jones

Well Roy best win to make sure he ain't just a name on Calslappys record

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Drago

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Fight him 7 years ago.

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already discussed the time machine my friend

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Mine wasn't a time machine.

7 years ago they'd both have been younger.

I said fight him 7 years ago, not "just" fight the Jones of 7 years ago.

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and wouldnt that require a time machine my friend?

I think RJJ summed up the fight on 1st episode of 24/7 when he said i'f RRJ loses no one cares but if Calzaghe loses'

cant remember exact words, but i also felt RJJ was selling himself a little short with that comment

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Originally Posted by Drago

I think RJJ summed up the fight on 1st episode of 24/7 when he said i'f RRJ loses no one cares but if Calzaghe loses'

cant remember exact words, but i also felt RJJ was selling himself a little short with that comment

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By that he was saying Jones had no pressure on himself but Joe did have the pressure on himself to remain unbeaten in his last fight.

yeah pressure defo on Joe, what with the traveling, the perfect record, in someone elses backyard (dependent on how many brits travel) dunno who ref is but he will no doubt be against calzaghe as well especially if its that prat cortez

As long as the ref can count to 10 when Calzaghe is KO'd or wave a fight off when Calzaghe is taking to much punishment i don't care who it is;D

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My thoughts on it:

He can never gain respect from the haters.

The haters are just that, HATERS! They will hate him whatever he does.

1. He fights lacy, the haters are screaming how lacy will bash him out the ring, he batters him.

2. He fights kessler, the haters are relishing the thought of kessler outboxing and overwhelming calzaghe, calzaghe nullifies him and finishes it with ease.

3. He fights hopkins (the same hopkins who bashed the sh1t out of pavlik, tarver and wright), the haters say he will get ko'd by hopkins, he has hopkins gassing for air after the 8th round and wins the fight.

Even if you take away his other career wins, take away the fact he is the longest champion in the history of the sport still boxing today, take away the fact hes a 2 weight champ, and just look at those 3 things...NORMALLY its enough for any true boxing fan to say 'yeah hes a wicked fighter.'

But the fact remains, they dont.

The reason for this is very sad.

Instead of being 'reasonable' and 'balanced' people and saying 'i dont like calzaghes style because he is too unorthadox and i dont like his swinging punches, but you have to give him respect for what hes achieved' (any true boxing fan would say this)...they just hate him.

Im relishing the prospect of seeing the haters sitting at home cursing their tv screens when they see calzaghe coming into the ring against jones, the haters praying from calzaghe to lose...but once again, like very single time he has ever been doubted, he'll win!

And then as predicted, we will have the same threads all over again and again, the same people saying how they still dont rate calzaghe (as predicted), over and over again lol.

To be honest, as for the way he fights, id much rather see him go all out against jones and drop him.

Everyone has said that theres a prospect that 'calzaghe could look good enough to maybe have done well against jones at his peak'...

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA its as if even if calzaghe wins, it automatically still means that jones was better at his peak PMSL, JOKERS!

If calzaghe wins then it means that of course he couldve given a peak roy jones a run for his money.

If calzaghe easily wins then it means HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BEAT A PEAK ROY JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

But...it all means nothing, calzaghe will fight jones and win, then he might have one more fight...possibly a rematch against hopkins and win again.

But even if calzaghe beats jones and hopkins (twice) then the haters will still say that they are better than him...WHAT BACKWARDS WAY OF THINKING IS THAT? LOL!

The guy cant do anything to gain respect from haters. AND THATS EXACTLY WHY I SUPPORT HIM!

Because i love to see the same people get silenced time and time again, then come up with more excuses and arguments lol.

When you look at the facts they are plain and simple:

If calzaghe beats jones then the guy is 48,0,0 anyone who cant respect that is a bit of a muppet really arent they?

Hes beaten hopkins (THE SAME OLD HOPKINS WHO HAS HAD HIS BEST CAREER WINS EVER AT THIS AGE, BASHING UP WRIGHT, TARVER AND PAVLIK), eubank, lacy, reid and kessler...soon to be jones.

Undefeated champ for over 11 years.

2 weight champ.

People will keep hating him, but the bottom line is that he will go down in history as a legend, esspecially after he bashes roy jones, we will then know exactly WHY ROY JONES AVOIDED HIM!

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Reallky good point they mate.I've already made my point about Calzaghe as a great fighters loads of times on here.Of course theirs haters of Calzaghe,after all its a free world to make your own judgement on things,but i totally agree with you.What does my head in is that people say that Calkzaghe has fought loads of bums and that he has never been tested!!:-XThat just makes me laugh sooo much when they say crap like that.How can they say that,Eubank,Brewer,lacy,Kessler,Hopkins are bums?I like Calzaghe a lot.He has the best boxing brain in the game!

I know what will turn these Haters(at least half of them)of Calzaghe into fans of his,,,is when he fights Froch after Froch beats Pascal that is!