After watching a prime Roy Jones on TV last night he was far from unbeatable.

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

I see the fight as Benn getting starched out early. Jones would have timed him and pummeled him out.

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EXACTLY!

So why did Roy avoid an easy big money fight?



The fear of been KO'ed is all I an think of.:cool:

To be fair they did show him against Toney and Hopkins. Not the greatest fighters to look good against.

He might have been beatable....but not by Benn, Eubank, Collins or Calzaghe. Which leads tot he question - who would have beaten him?

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Originally Posted by porkypara

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

I see the fight as Benn getting starched out early. Jones would have timed him and pummeled him out.

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EXACTLY!

So why did Roy avoid an easy big money fight?



The fear of been KO'ed is all I an think of.:cool:

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In an odd way,That McClellan fight affected Roy mind set as well.Its ALL speculation and "what ifs" but I say Benn had an excellent chance.......And right now I'm sober :fight:

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Originally Posted by ross

some people are gonna be crying about their superman Jones come Sunday.

Boo Hoo, Roy lost again!!!?? How did that happen? We didnt see that coming!!!?? This must mean Joe is really, really good!!

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Boo hoo indeed;D

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Originally Posted by ross

Best fighter of the Nineties?

Grow up!!

You have Ricardo Lopez, Pernell Whitaker and Azuma Nelson, who I can think of that were at least on the same level.

I cant vouch much further than that as I only really got in to boxing around the mid Nineties.

Also, Joe would have given each of these fighters a tough fight, if they were the same size.

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Didn't roy win fighter of the decade? The only one you mentioned that was close is Sweet pea and he didn't dominate like roy did. The 90's were all jones.

Y'all must've forgot.

No fighter is unbeatable.

Nobody's unbeatable, even the best has his bad day at the office from time to time and in boxing, nobody's protected from THE punch that makes all the difference. Jones wasn't unbeatable, sure, but talent wise, he was the best rounded fighter of his generation and was in a totally other class where no other fighter belongs.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

Watched his program on Satanta last night and it supprised me in a number of ways.

First his speed was amazing,second was at times he was not that elusive and looked far from unbeatble.

I think people only remember his good points and forget the bad.

If he had fought Nigel Benn it would have been a great fight.Jones would be favorate but Benn would be in with a shot.


Also,Calzaghe would have given jones lot of problems IMO.

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RJJ imo in his prime beats Benn and Calzaghe handily.

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Originally Posted by ross

Best fighter of the Nineties?

Grow up!!

You have Ricardo Lopez, Pernell Whitaker and Azuma Nelson, who I can think of that were at least on the same level.

I cant vouch much further than that as I only really got in to boxing around the mid Nineties.

Also, Joe would have given each of these fighters a tough fight, if they were the same size.

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don't forget to mention Chavez, Holyfield (who IMO accomplished just as much and took on more big names),

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by ross

Best fighter of the Nineties?

Grow up!!

You have Ricardo Lopez, Pernell Whitaker and Azuma Nelson, who I can think of that were at least on the same level.

I cant vouch much further than that as I only really got in to boxing around the mid Nineties.

Also, Joe would have given each of these fighters a tough fight, if they were the same size.

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You could make an arguement MAYBE for Pernell Whitaker, but none of the others apply, also Whitaker tailed off at the end of the 90's, and even in his prime he did not dominate like Roy

They both had similar ability to not get hit, only Roy was much better offensively, much faster, better at throwing combinations, better and countering. I won't disrespect Whitaker's name because he was a legit fighter as are the other guys you mentioned but how long did Ricardo Lopez remain the top 1 or 2 fighters on the p4p list? Or Azumah Nelson? When Pernell was at his peak is when Roy stole it away from him when he beat Toney so emphatically, he got it "stolen" away by Mosley and Trinidad, but that was just politics. Pernell is a great fighter, but he wasn't on Roy's level. Either was Azumah Nelson, especially not in the 90's where he went 1-1-2 with Jesse James Leija, had Genaro Hernandez beat him, and he went 1-1-1 with Fenech(which is respectable), but Nelson isn't considered on the same level as Roy JOnes p4p all time. He was really good, but not that good.

Like Isaid originally Whitaker was the only guy you could really compare to Roy Jones Jr in the 90's or even in the 2000's nobody has been like Roy was in the 90's.

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how long did Jones dominate a division and take on all comers? and even avenge the only blemish on his record even after his skills and speed were visibly declining, to retire undefeated

umm yea Nelson in the 90's had already been a pro for at least 11 yrs and had fought the legendary Salvador Sanchez (and although beaten it was a close fight), Wilfredo Gomez, Marcos Villasana (had taken on Fenech, Zuniga, and Cepeda), than in the 90's Nelson took on Whitaker (in a competitive fight), LaPorte, Fenech (twice, a draw and a TKO win), Gabriel Ruelas (twice MD and TKO), Leija (4 times, a draw, UD loss, a TKO win, and last a UD loss), and Genaro Hernandez (sd loss), since when does Jones have that many big names on his record?

RJJ would have scorched Eubank, Benn, and Calzaghe in his prime...no fighter is unbeatable, but out of 100 fights with those guys Roy might lose 5 times....combined

Roy was not technically brilliant (neither was Ali) but he had attributes that made him the best fighter I have ever seen like reflex, punch power, speed, confidence, skill, athleticism. He beat anyone that was in front of him at his best.