Margarito caught cheating?

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by belakbox

True. I'm giving Margarito full credit for all his accomplishments unless he's somehow proven guilty. I don't think anything will come of it and the fights will move on. But I can understand fans being upset at the accusation and the findings in the article that was posted. The corners will need to keep a watchful eye on their opponents in the future and show up prepared. Boxing has always been a shady sport.

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Fans are upset because they can not take a Cotto defeat. And when i say fans, I mean DAnny. He has 3 alts on here and is the only one winding up unnecessarily on here.

Cotto isn't the best welterweight out there. I can live with it. Some people can't.

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Well said i think if Suger shane that fbeat Margo last night had shown up against Cotto, and it was close anyway, Cotto would have had 2 losses on his record.

Not having the plaster hand wraps did not make Margarito throw half the punches per round he usually does.

Props to Mosely and his team for a great gameplan. Forced Tony to fight going back, smothered him where he couldn't really get off.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Danny I would flush your ass if I could. I find your threads to be similar to royal's, albeit more graphic.

Here is what we know:

Lampley kept saying the same shit over and over and over about his hand wraps. No evidence. I find if funny that HBO boxing (which seems to think it is necessary to inject drama into everything) didn't show this "cast." Because nobody had cameras of any kind in the dressing room..... yeah right.
So what we have is Lampley (I guess beauty queens don't require hand wraps) unilaterally making accusations to an entire camp who doesn't speak english on broadcasted television. That my friends is a tragedy. Lampley is the true cheat.

Further, Margarito didn't fight with this alleged "cast." When something that was probably more mind games requiring Margarito to rewrap his hands 3 times puts a question mark over an entire career is really sad. It is sad to think boxing fans could be that naive or so fair-weather.

Finally, Mosely is no saint himself. Being the subject of a steroid invetigation, even if Margarito did use something illegal, it is not as if he was using it on someone who was above doing anything to get an edge on an opponent.

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Totally agree Booze.Inflamatory rhetoric run amoke and the timing and sensationalized glee of Lampley would make Day time soap opera divas envious.Why must there always be much such shite talking and side bar plot points after a night of fights ??Lets stick to FACTS for a change!Shane fought his azz off lastnight and wrecked Margarito like no other for a great convincing victory.Thats what I'll remember.....for some time no doubt.All of this other crap is just that!!

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Originally Posted by Jman76

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

Without your cheating hand wraps Tony, you aint shiet!

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Thank you FHUCKING shane for exposing the cheater!

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Wait a second here, didn't Mosley use illegal substance(s) against Oscar in 2003?

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AFAIK, in 2003 "The Clear" was not illegal, nor was it even classified as a steroid.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by belakbox

True. I'm giving Margarito full credit for all his accomplishments unless he's somehow proven guilty. I don't think anything will come of it and the fights will move on. But I can understand fans being upset at the accusation and the findings in the article that was posted. The corners will need to keep a watchful eye on their opponents in the future and show up prepared. Boxing has always been a shady sport.

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Fans are upset because they can not take a Cotto defeat. And when i say fans, I mean DAnny. He has 3 alts on here and is the only one winding up unnecessarily on here.

Cotto isn't the best welterweight out there. I can live with it. Some people can't.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

I thought Danny was over Cotto's defeat? Guess not..

Let's be honest here...we don't know if it is crap or not. I hope it is, and if so...goes away fast. Because ya know...I gained a lot of respect for Margo in his fight with Cotto. I'd hate to see it be this. I'd hate to see it be this for the black mark it'd leave on the sport I love and compete in.

But if it is true, I hope you guys will treat it as such and not sugar coat it, and admonish the behavior. And if it is proved otherwise...hope those slinging mud without proof will let it go.

It probably won't happen like that...but it certainly should.

I suppose what we need to hope for most, is a quick answer.

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Originally Posted by GAME

True. and these folks should realize the outcome most probably would have been the same even if the 'handwrapping' controversy isn't exposed. I don't think these plaster of paris shiit would have made him won tonight. Not at all. Does that make his punches more accurate? NO. Does that make his punches harder? Maybe. Probably. But I don't think it exaggerately increases the sting of his punches. Wtf.. I don't think that plaster is like 10x harder than his knuckles! Shane Mosley did turn back the clock and delivered an awesome performance. That's it.

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Great point. From a boxing perspective results like this just show how styles make fights. Cotto beats Mosely. Magarito beats Cotto. So surely Magarito must beat Mosely ? I actually thought Mosely would win this fight, not by TKO, but by points. You put Magarito in with a top class boxer who will give him movement and angles and throw flurry of punches and he’ll lose. His much vaunted chin was nothing. He has no skills, what so ever. To think people actually thought he had a chance against Mayweather (lol)

After this I have lost all respect for Magarito. I thought his defeat of Cotto was too dominant to be true. Without his hands of stone he get’s owned by a fading Mosely. If mosely, who top fighter though he is, but past his best can beat him then one can only imagine what a prime 27 year old Cotto can do to him. All Magaritos victories don’t mean ANYTHING anymore. He is the Ben Johnson of Boxing.

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

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Originally Posted by JeffP4PLacy

This is fucked up... I have NO doubt that Margarito used the same shit to break Cotto's face up like that. That was NOT normal.

Tony MargaCHEATO shame on you you fake ass champion...


In Tito's case it was a "mind fck" on the part of Hopkins camp. Margarito got CAUGHT!!!


Cotto is going to KILL him in June. "No plaster" Tony gets DESTROYED.

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With out the plaster of Pariz, Cotto takes Tony to school every round just like Mosley did.

Phuking shame on Tony Margashieto, what a motha phuker he is. I hope he get's run over by a truck, a giant truck. Wait! Not until Miguel Cotto gets his revenge over that cheating paisa.

What about his wins over Cintron?

Cintron has to be pissed and is probably saying no wonder this biatch beat me too.

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Oh stop alrady Danny...Your starting to embaress yourself looking for ANY reason...to make excuses for a fight from 6 months ago that you have no idea on what happened...Making assumptions...

I got $100 that you have either 2 accounts or you know th other idiot who started this thread.....

If your going to start a thread or post it is possible that is one thing but you are acting like a fucking ESB poster...worse Boxing insider..

Have some neg rep for being a douche

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Originally Posted by JeffP4PLacy

Yo BoozeBoxer, STFU.

Margarito is DONE. Plaster of Paris confirmed in tests. Cotto must be furious...

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Shut up Danny

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

Without your cheating hand wraps Tony, you aint shiet!

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Danny give it up...Your starting to embaress yourself big time..

Everyone knows you and JeffP4PLacy are the same person...at minimum a buddy of yours you are having post the same shit you do....

Pretty funny this guy comes from no where just making the same threads and almost mirror post you are?

Yeah yeah the whole hard substance thing is in the news...being looked at by the commission etc....

Nothing changes the fact Cotto was beat silly...How many threads have you made now?.....

Soon your face wil be all distorted too from the shame of this antic..

Stop while you have some sort of pride left..

PLEASE!!!!

While you have just a dot of it in you...

Is it coincidence he broke Cottos nose in 2 rounds?
Hmmmmm seriously doubt it.
If he's done it once then i'd bet my house he has done it before;)
If true he should be banned, end of!

i think the whole subject is bullshit, same thing i said when they blamed Trinidad, and seriously who the fuck is Mosley to talk about anything illegal in the sport, he was given a gift decision againt Oscar in the rematch and he had more juice in him than a bottle of Sunny Delight. oh but i guess if you didn't know it's illegal it's ok :rolleyes:

Of course I am just kidding, but after recently getting caught cheating, you have start questioning all of Margarito's accomplishments.

How many times did he put on the concrete wraps without getting caught?

Its a house of cards and hear say word of mouth spouted out literally at the opening bell.Since when are re-wraps and opposing corners making a stink a new thing?Detract from one of Shanes best wins,slam Tony in defeat ...all to play I gotcha and boost up Cotto.What a farking joke.Cotto deserves better frankly.

theres still no actual proof of it ever happening, same thing as all the fighters who's water bottles were supposedly tampered with, don't you remember the era of the poisoned loser, such as Judah, Tarver, Klitschko, etc. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Of course I am just kidding, but after recently getting caught cheating, you have start questioning all of Margarito's accomplishments.

How many times did he put on the concrete wraps without getting caught?

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:biteit:No you dont.Its all speculation and fanning of the flames,rumor mill tripe.Complete and utter B.S distraction from a huge Welterweight divison shifting fight & great showing for Shane.

Better question in the spinning wheel.....what would have happened if Cintron had a raging fire in his own belly, great confidence & listened to his damn corner :-X No end to this romper room

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Originally Posted by CGM

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Originally Posted by Jman76

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

Thank you FHUCKING shane for exposing the cheater!

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Wait a second here, didn't Mosley use illegal substance(s) against Oscar in 2003?

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AFAIK, in 2003 "The Clear" was not illegal, nor was it even classified as a steroid.

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In athletics (and boxing presumably) the list is a guideline which covers molecules similar but not exactly to the ones on the list - since it would be easy to just add a small dormant group which would give the drug a different technical name but maintain the exact same effects. This is exactly what Balco did with THG, modified the moleule slightly so as to be undetectable with conventional testing while maintaining the same benefits.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

theres still no actual proof of it ever happening, same thing as all the fighters who's water bottles were supposedly tampered with, don't you remember the era of the poisoned loser, such as Judah, Tarver, Klitschko, etc. :rolleyes:

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No proof???

THere are numerous eye witnesses. Including Larry Merchant and representatives from the California Athletic Commission. AND there sending the plaster out to be tested!!! Sounds like they have a little proof.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by belakbox

I think the post has substance. The negative cultural comments are not cool ( i personally would start another thread apologizing for that), but I can understand a fanatics concern about something like illegal hand wraps being used against other fighters.

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Utterly pointless. The commission will review an accusation like this with the caution, which is the only way to proceed in an orderly way.

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All Im going to say,he had best pray those tests dont come back positive. Ive dealt with the California Commision,and they dont have much of a sense of humor about something like this. And while normally he could just let the license in Cali expire and get one in another state,the head of the the Association Of Boxing Commisions Region 1 Panella has even less of a sense of humor about this sort of thing.
If that comes back positive you probablly wont be seeing Tony for quite a while

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Danny I would flush your ass if I could. I find your threads to be similar to royal's, albeit more graphic.

Here is what we know:

Lampley kept saying the same shit over and over and over about his hand wraps. No evidence. I find if funny that HBO boxing (which seems to think it is necessary to inject drama into everything) didn't show this "cast." Because nobody had cameras of any kind in the dressing room..... yeah right.
So what we have is Lampley (I guess beauty queens don't require hand wraps) unilaterally making accusations to an entire camp who doesn't speak english on broadcasted television. That my friends is a tragedy. Lampley is the true cheat.

Further, Margarito didn't fight with this alleged "cast." When something that was probably more mind games requiring Margarito to rewrap his hands 3 times puts a question mark over an entire career is really sad. It is sad to think boxing fans could be that naive or so fair-weather.

Finally, Mosely is no saint himself. Being the subject of a steroid invetigation, even if Margarito did use something illegal, it is not as if he was using it on someone who was above doing anything to get an edge on an opponent.

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Geez Booze, you've been here long enough to know that Danny is a windup artist. Last night he was laughing as he was posting all this stuff, and he kept telling me that this will get some peoples panties in a bunch. And guess what, it obviously worked. ;)

Honestly, do you not see this thread as a joke? :dontknow:

I guess it took another windup artist in Violent D to know that Danny is just joking, and trying to push your guys buttons. ;)

BTW, I'd seen you post in another thread that Danny has 3 alts, sorry to disappoint you, but no, he doesn't. ;D

Now, regarding the wraps, yes I am a huge Cotto fan, but I also have made it clear that I am also a fan of Margarito's, I picked him to win this fight by late stoppage, and I gave him his props after he beat Cotto, however, if the commission finds that Margarito was trying to cheat, how can any of you say that us Cotto fans don't have the right to question him doing it for the Cotto fight. As well as any Cintron fan, etc, etc...

You say that there is no evidence, but there is, the boxing commission confiscated 2 pads, one from his wrap, and one from the room. Now I am hoping to God that they are just normal gauze pads, but, if they were obviously just normal pads, the commission wouldn't have seen fit to box them up and take them. I have to think that there was something there that made it seem fit for them to take them as evidence.

And it wasn't just Lampley talking about it, go to every boxing website, they are all reporting it.

Again, I hope to God that this is not true, it would put a big question mark on Tony's accomplishments, but if it is true, then Tony should be penalized accordingly.

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Originally Posted by denilson200

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Originally Posted by GAME

True. and these folks should realize the outcome most probably would have been the same even if the 'handwrapping' controversy isn't exposed. I don't think these plaster of paris shiit would have made him won tonight. Not at all. Does that make his punches more accurate? NO. Does that make his punches harder? Maybe. Probably. But I don't think it exaggerately increases the sting of his punches. Wtf.. I don't think that plaster is like 10x harder than his knuckles! Shane Mosley did turn back the clock and delivered an awesome performance. That's it.

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Great point. From a boxing perspective results like this just show how styles make fights. Cotto beats Mosely. Magarito beats Cotto. So surely Magarito must beat Mosely ? I actually thought Mosely would win this fight, not by TKO, but by points. You put Magarito in with a top class boxer who will give him movement and angles and throw flurry of punches and he’ll lose. His much vaunted chin was nothing. He has no skills, what so ever. To think people actually thought he had a chance against Mayweather (lol)

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Danny went on and on about Margarito and how Floyd was scared of him and he would destroy Floyd... as soon as Williams beat him he jumped right onto the cotto band wagon... would be too blatant to have jumped off it back onto the margarito band wagon again so he's going to make the most out of these allegations as he can

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Originally Posted by Bomp

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Originally Posted by CGM

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Originally Posted by Jman76

Wait a second here, didn't Mosley use illegal substance(s) against Oscar in 2003?

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AFAIK, in 2003 "The Clear" was not illegal, nor was it even classified as a steroid.

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In athletics (and boxing presumably) the list is a guideline which covers molecules similar but not exactly to the ones on the list - since it would be easy to just add a small dormant group which would give the drug a different technical name but maintain the exact same effects. This is exactly what Balco did with THG, modified the moleule slightly so as to be undetectable with conventional testing while maintaining the same benefits.

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OK, if that's an accurate description, and it certainly sounds reasonable, then point taken. I suppose the issue then becomes whether or not Mosely really understood this aspect of the rules/list, at the time.

Meh, just because its coming from Cotto fans doesn't mean its a non story, doesn't look good for Tony really although I guess we'll wait and see.

Doesn't take away the fact that Shane fought the fight that Cotto should have fought, I never thought Cotto would spend so much energy moving all around the ring, he didn't have to do that. Shane fought the perfect fight, Margo wasn't doing enough hand wraps or not.

But again, that doesn't make it a non story either.

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Of course I am just kidding, but after recently getting caught cheating, you have start questioning all of Margarito's accomplishments.

How many times did he put on the concrete wraps without getting caught?

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Tampered Wraps or no tampered wraps he still whoops Kermit Cintron.

The plaster on his gloves had nothing to do with the granite in his chin for his fight against Cintron or Cotto.

Margarito would take Cintron's heart each and everytime. Wraps didn't have anything to do with them two fighting. Tony always had Cintron beat mentally.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

theres still no actual proof of it ever happening, same thing as all the fighters who's water bottles were supposedly tampered with, don't you remember the era of the poisoned loser, such as Judah, Tarver, Klitschko, etc. :rolleyes:

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didn't foreman claim the same thing recently about the "rumble in the jungle?"

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

The plaster on his gloves had nothing to do with the granite in his chin for his fight against Cintron or Cotto.

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With out the plaster in his gloves, his chin is less than granite ;D
Tony got knocked the phuk out. With out the plaster, both Cintron and Cotto beat the crap out of Margarito. When a guy is hitting you with bricks in his gloves, that takes a lot out of a fighter one punch can zap the crap out of you. With out the bricks, Tony was unable to zap an old Mosley that Cotto was beating on 2 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Of course I am just kidding, but after recently getting caught cheating, you have start questioning all of Margarito's accomplishments.

How many times did he put on the concrete wraps without getting caught?

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:biteit:No you dont.Its all speculation and fanning of the flames,rumor mill tripe.Complete and utter B.S distraction from a huge Welterweight divison shifting fight & great showing for Shane.

Better question in the spinning wheel.....what would have happened if Cintron had a raging fire in his own belly, great confidence & listened to his damn corner :-X No end to this romper room

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Well, at this point it's also libel because Kevin Lole/Yahoo Sports also reported it.

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

theres still no actual proof of it ever happening, same thing as all the fighters who's water bottles were supposedly tampered with, don't you remember the era of the poisoned loser, such as Judah, Tarver, Klitschko, etc. :rolleyes:

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No proof???

THere are numerous eye witnesses. Including Larry Merchant and representatives from the California Athletic Commission. AND there sending the plaster out to be tested!!! Sounds like they have a little proof.

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Not to lawyer up on you but alot can be diluted these days.Maybe I missed something but At the opening bell.....Merchant said he 'was told' of the issue.He was not an eye witness to it.Last I read,they were sending some padding to be examined,read nothing about it was definate plaster?Only HBO crew spouted that?Along with azznine Dempsey/Willard contrasts.

Hey,let the facts come to light when the commission is ready...fully agreed but this is very turning into standing 10 people in a line,telling the first something and passing it down....waiting to hear if its the same when you get to the last one?

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

The plaster on his gloves had nothing to do with the granite in his chin for his fight against Cintron or Cotto.

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With out the plaster in his gloves, his chin is less than granite ;D
Tony got knocked the phuk out. With out the plaster, both Cintron and Cotto beat the crap out of Margarito. When a guy is hitting you with bricks in his gloves, that takes a lot out of a fighter one punch can zap the crap out of you. With out the bricks, Tony was unable to zap an old Mosley that Cotto was beating on 2 years ago.

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What an all-round stupid post. So you still fail to explain how the plaster in the gloves (if the allegations are true) somehow affect his chin. & don't try that Cotto was 'beating on' Mosley, it was a narrow decision with many scoring it as a draw or the other way. I like the way that in each of your posts today you are making more dangerous & hard the material that was apparently in the padding, it's bricks now, I'm sure later it will be Titanium Steel :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

The plaster on his gloves had nothing to do with the granite in his chin for his fight against Cintron or Cotto.

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*Alleged Plaster
Very true statement otherwise and a point that can not be argued. Tony can take a punch.

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

The plaster on his gloves had nothing to do with the granite in his chin for his fight against Cintron or Cotto.

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With out the plaster in his gloves, his chin is less than granite ;D
Tony got knocked the phuk out. With out the plaster, both Cintron and Cotto beat the crap out of Margarito. When a guy is hitting you with bricks in his gloves, that takes a lot out of a fighter one punch can zap the crap out of you. With out the bricks, Tony was unable to zap an old Mosley that Cotto was beating on 2 years ago.

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yea he must have been plastering his beard also and coloring it up....:mad: THAT BASTARD!!!!:rolleyes:

Aww, Danny G got upset & neg-repped me because I disagreed with his Cotto cock-licking post ;D

What a joker.

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Aww, Danny G got upset & neg-repped me because I disagreed with his Cotto cock-licking post ;D

What a joker.

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LMAO, join in the circle jerk of ErikaLaTerribleMoralesJr, DaxxCunny and AmandaGB, hold hands sweethearts and come get some of this, I got you biatches crying left and right on this here forum.

Danny G just mad his boy got knocked out and also Danny he barley got by against Shane Mosley it could of gone either way he lucky that Shane not in prime any more all i got to say and also we dont have 100 percent proof on the gloves yet if they are wrong then all this is pointless.

Lol danny is so bad when it comes to people disagreeing with him it really is said he proably still crying over the destruction of his boyfriend Cotto Shane Mosley just showed you got to have a china dn balls to beat Margrito and not take a step back and fall and give in to Margarito.

Alright seeing as some of you are blind and others are just idiots and felt the need to create 12 muthafucking threads about the wraps I made it one.