After seeing the weigh in I gotta go with Manny by stoppage on cuts over the Hitman.
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After seeing the weigh in I gotta go with Manny by stoppage on cuts over the Hitman.
The way I see it, Manny is the favorite and rightfully so. The smart money would be on him. But thats a fact that has no relevance whatsoever when the bell rings. I can see scenarios where Manny wins, and where Pac wins. If Manny wins, it will because of his speed and boxing ability. In and out, throwing fast combos, using angles, staying a step ahead. If Hatton wins, it will be because of a consistant BODY ATTACK. That is the key for Hatton. If Hatton tryes outbox him he will lose. He needs to outhustle him and although he cant outsmart him imo, he can keep him offbalance by mixing it up. He can surprise him. He can time him coming in.
I think this should be noted too: Manny will be faster than Mayweather was the night he beat Hatton. Much faster. Hatton will have to fight the fight of his life and time him again and again....I cant wait for the fight. May the best man win.
Oh piss off. Your little man lost to Marquez twice and then ran away from another fight because he wanted to cash out for a year against fallen or mediocre fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATION
Unlike Ricky, at least that little man didn't avoid DLH. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Pac knows he lost to Marquez and wouldn't give an immediate rematch. That is my definition of avoidance. :rolleyes:
Nah. It's more like the first one was a draw, and the second was a razor thin win for Pac. You can make up anything you want, but the record book won't lie. ;) Actually, it was Marquez the one who avoided Pac for almost 4 years. Marquez turned down a rematch with Pac and had to trouble to Indonesia to get his butt robbed for a peanut - FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesOh piss off. Your little man lost to Marquez twice and then ran away from another fight because he wanted to cash out for a year against fallen or mediocre fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATIONUnlike Ricky, at least that little man didn't avoid DLH. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Pac knows he lost to Marquez and wouldn't give an immediate rematch. That is my definition of avoidance. :rolleyes:
Don't be a eager beaver. Pac-JMM 3 will happen sometime next year. Pac is just too busy right now.
They were both close fights. No fighter embarrassed the other terribly. The first fight I don't feel so strongly about, but the second fight was very unfair on Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATIONNah. It's more like the first one was a draw, and the second was a razor thin win for Pac. You can make up anything you want, but the record book won't lie. ;) Actually, it was Marquez the one who avoided Pac for almost 4 years. Marquez turned down a rematch with Pac and had to trouble to Indonesia to get his butt robbed for a peanut - FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesOh piss off. Your little man lost to Marquez twice and then ran away from another fight because he wanted to cash out for a year against fallen or mediocre fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATION
Pac knows he lost to Marquez and wouldn't give an immediate rematch. That is my definition of avoidance. :rolleyes:
Don't be a eager beaver. Pac-JMM 3 will happen sometime next year. Pac is just too busy right now.
Unfortunately record books often lie in boxing. That's one of the tough things about being a boxing fan.
Hopefully after Hatton gets his win, Manny will give Marquez his rematch. ;);D
hatton all the way can't wait for this fight tonight! im gonna say hatton by ud
Hey dude since when you became a Pac fanboy ? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I'm not sold on Pac's power against a guy that will weigh 150 come rehydration... Also no one knows what Pacs punch resistance will be against a bona fied hard punching 140 lber
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Spot on JT and that is a massive factor imo too.
If Ricky can bully pac around and hurt him to the body he will take him down with a body shot;)
If Pac can take what Ricky dishes out then he'll Slaughter him fiercely and quickly...maybe within 4/5 rounds.
Pick em fight for sure
If Ricky can take Pacs power than its going to be a long night for Manny.. yet to see anyone EVER able to deter Hatton and keep him off.. Its never happened. Floyd was smothered most of the night and used Ricky's own spoiling against him to wear him down and frustrated him.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Spot on JT and that is a massive factor imo too.
If Ricky can bully pac around and hurt him to the body he will take him down with a body shot;)
If Pac can take what Ricky dishes out then he'll Slaughter him fiercely and quickly...maybe within 4/5 rounds.
Pick em fight for sure
When Floyd got distance which was a rare occasion he decapitated Ricky with right hands until finally Ricky got frustrated and jumped into a check hook.
Pac isint a defensive fighter at all, can be countered and dosent have the inside game to counter Hatton. Pac and Roach are hoping to turn Hatton around but Ricky can close the distance like a magnet couple that with headmovement, jabbing his way in and I think Hatton will grind him down.
JMM hurt pac to the body a few times, The body to me is like a chin you can take body punches or you cant simple as. you might not get KOED to the body but it will slow you down and drop you hands.
Guys like Mosely, Jones jr, Mayweather, Hopkins are able to take helacious bodyshots without flinching.... Hatton will punish him bad to the body
Can anyone tell me if the undercard has started my box office channel has gone no sat signal trying towatch on a stream anybody got a decent stream can you pm me
Thanks owe you guys;D
The undercar has started and can be seen here.
Yahoo!
Just look for the "live undercard" button. ;)
Man o man...Alvarado not being aired on PPV portion ? Pretty tv friendly style to me ;D.Instead we get the lead fisted zombie Korobov.
Edit---Hate to say this but took about 30 sec to post,and then "Database error" ??Lock the door lol
They didn't air Concepcion. :mad: I heard he won by UD.
A few hours from now the epic battle between PACQUIAO VS. HATTON will commence.It is expected that millions of fans all over will be watching this much awaited rumble between two of the most celebrated boxers in the world.24/7 made a fantastic documentary of the fight,very fitting indeed was the show,it added more excitement and anticipation for the fight.In the weigh in alone ,thousands of screaming fans were present to witness the activity.So enthralled were the fans that MGM GRAND HOTEL was roaring out loud.Basing on the pronouncements of the good looking emcee,the occasion was a record breaking one.Well,that is what MANNY and RICKY can bring....PANDEMONIUM!
In my mind this fight is the meeting of the best among the best,third world vs. a great nation,poor vs. the affluent,survivor vs.well sheltered,simple mind vs.cultured.But in my opinion ,these differences does not have bearing on the fight.What matters is the hungry fighter will make it.
This is a fight made in heaven.Nations thousands of miles apart,with fans of different cultures and environment will be inside a venue cheering,jeering together or against each other.Hoping everything will turn out positive for both the Britons and Filipino fans.Respect should be the key.
THE BETTER FIGHTER WILL WIN!GOD BLESS....GOOD LUCK TO MANNY AND RICKY.
Im one of those silly fans and i dont really know what to say right now. Hatton was put to sleep BIG TIME. I was quite worried for a minute when he stayed knocked out.
i didnt expected the fight to be that short!!! pac was just too fast and surprisingly stronger than hatton!!! hatton should fire mayweather cause he didnt do his job right!!! the way pac KOd hatton was very predicatble a short jab then his left!
very happy with the fight! congrats pac!!!!
i hope you guys give credit to where its due! pac did it under 3 rds while the other guy waslucky to ko hatton on the tenth!!!
whoooooohooooo!!!!!
anti pacs i hope you guys give cfedit to pac now!
My post since the fight.
Gutted, truly gutted. And shellshocked.
There is a lot I have to say about it all but will save that for more appropriate threads.
Hatton was sparked out something rotten and I just hope he is okay.
As for this protected club fighter shit. Piss off! :rolleyes:
So long Ricky....i told you not to brawl Manny.I warned you.
it seems one camp very much did their homework, had a strategy that made the most of their abilities while nullifiying their opponants as much as they could.
The other seem to of done fuck all.
It just looked to me that camp Hatton were fighting an unknown boxer. The whole world knows what Pacmans strenghts are just not Mayweather and Lee Beard.
I dont want to take anything away from Pacquiao on this. within 20 seconds of the fight starting i think it was clear who was guna win, and at the end of the 1st round i think we all knew the next round was guna be the last. Ive never seen him hit so hard and hes as quick as hes ver been. Absolutly tremendous he is.
But im left frustrated and a little angry, yes there was a gulf in class i wasnt expecting but i really dont believe that Mayweather and Hatton has took Pacman seriously.
Where as Roach worked on the whole package, Mayweather just thought lettin Hatton off the leash on the night was guna be enough. Hattons always had a thing about stretchin with his shots and leavin himself open, but with big mouth Floyd in his corner being the best coach in the world in his own eyes youd think that they would work on that.
In a fight where its strength v speed we never got to find out about the strength man as his chin was laid on a plate to the speedster.
it seems one camp very much did their homework, had a strategy that made the most of their abilities while nullifiying their opponants as much as they could.
The other seem to of done fuck all.
It just looked to me that camp Hatton were fighting an unknown boxer. The whole world knows what Pacmans strenghts are just not Mayweather and Lee Beard.
I dont want to take anything away from Pacquiao on this. within 20 seconds of the fight starting i think it was clear who was guna win, and at the end of the 1st round i think we all knew the next round was guna be the last. Ive never seen him hit so hard and hes as quick as hes ver been. Absolutly tremendous he is.
But im left frustrated and a little angry, yes there was a gulf in class i wasnt expecting but i really dont believe that Mayweather and Hatton has took Pacman seriously.
Where as Roach worked on the whole package, Mayweather just thought lettin Hatton off the leash on the night was guna be enough. Hattons always had a thing about stretchin with his shots and leavin himself open, but with big mouth Floyd in his corner being the best coach in the world in his own eyes youd think that they would work on that.
In a fight where its strength v speed we never got to find out about the strength man as his chin was laid on a plate to the speedster.
it seems one camp very much did their homework, had a strategy that made the most of their abilities while nullifiying their opponants as much as they could.
The other seem to of done fuck all.
It just looked to me that camp Hatton were fighting an unknown boxer. The whole world knows what Pacmans strenghts are just not Mayweather and Lee Beard.
I dont want to take anything away from Pacquiao on this. within 20 seconds of the fight starting i think it was clear who was guna win, and at the end of the 1st round i think we all knew the next round was guna be the last. Ive never seen him hit so hard and hes as quick as hes ver been. Absolutly tremendous he is.
But im left frustrated and a little angry, yes there was a gulf in class i wasnt expecting but i really dont believe that Mayweather and Hatton has took Pacman seriously.
Where as Roach worked on the whole package, Mayweather just thought lettin Hatton off the leash on the night was guna be enough. Hattons always had a thing about stretchin with his shots and leavin himself open, but with big mouth Floyd in his corner being the best coach in the world in his own eyes youd think that they would work on that.
In a fight where its strength v speed we never got to find out about the strength man as his chin was laid on a plate to the speedster.
hattons camp knew what to do against pac, pacs speed prevented hatton from doing anything.
Well someone needs to.I give Database error the edge in durability and ability to rise to the occasion for a big event :shinner:.I give Pac the edge in handspeed and should send the spoiler crashing ...errm
alright just goofing,feel free to delete...............but Im betting at least one Pac fan runs to BoxRec trying to look up the formidable Mr.Error ;D
Yeah, doing my nut in this is!
I just want to talk about the fight, driving me mad being unable to express anything!
I can here the shit coming now.... Hatton is a shot fighter....!Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
Damn! Pacquiao is fast! I can't understand the commentary? That fight finished so fast! I think they had trouble saying what needed to be said. I never seen a fighter get knocked down with a punch through the glove, not between the gloves but straight through the glove. The second knock down in the first round and I can't believe the commentators didn't bother to mention it? Mayweather Sr. is a total As*, I hope Ricky drops him and joins the wild card gym....
aside from pac whos capable of beating up mr database error? :) everytime pac has a fight every single boxing forum in the internet goes down!
To tell you the truth, both man looked pretty confused. Just that pacman got the best of hatton thats all. It can easily be the other way around. Pacman is just a more gifted fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ukansodoff
Nothing to be ashamed of, even Mr. Fightnews Dot Com was downed by PAC amazing performance... Saddo, Eastside, Pacland ... all were down...
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Give credit to Ricky for fighting the best guys. Ricky is good but just turned out and clear that Pac is better. Well we have seen that Manny's power is still way dangerous on this division, chin still untested, never been hurt since diaz.:cool:
Its just that if it was me training Hatton to fight Pacquiao the 1st thing id do would be to deal with makin sure you dont get hit with those shots. Its exactly the type of thing Pacmans known for.
Fair enough sometimes people are so good you know what they are guna do but you just cant stop them but Hatton walked into them like he didnt expect them and it was somethin new to Pacmans game.
Though like i say i dont wana take anyting away from Manny cuz its his brilliance that got the job done, i just cant believe Hatton didnt even try to have anything in mind to combat that type of attack
What a sick beatdown. Meh.
I mean, Hatton went down hard. Stayed there for a while too looking hurt bad. Was like, 5 mins later is finally on his feet when he gets the news..."Ya dude, you're in Vegas, just got KTFO!"
Sickly destruction from Pac from start to quick finish.
I think brawling was his best and only option, he was never guna outbox him. But at this level you need to be a calculated brawler. He wasnt.
He couldnt afford to go in gung ho like hes done in the past, he needed to earn his way in and then go to work, we knew manny would get Hatton on the way in what ever he did but christ he made it easy for Pacman.
I just cant believe they didnt train with all that in mind, id accept that he tried to go in as safe as he could but still got the pasting but he was just wide open to it. If id known he was guna have his chin out like that, get clouted then leave it out again in the exact same way id of favoured Manny from the start.
Mayweather Sr is best with his mouth shut.
I think brawling was his best and only option, he was never guna outbox him. But at this level you need to be a calculated brawler. He wasnt.
He couldnt afford to go in gung ho like hes done in the past, he needed to earn his way in and then go to work, we knew manny would get Hatton on the way in what ever he did but christ he made it easy for Pacman.
I just cant believe they didnt train with all that in mind, id accept that he tried to go in as safe as he could but still got the pasting but he was just wide open to it. If id known he was guna have his chin out like that, get clouted then leave it out again in the exact same way id of favoured Manny from the start.
I think brawling was his best and only option, he was never guna outbox him. But at this level you need to be a calculated brawler. He wasnt.
He couldnt afford to go in gung ho like hes done in the past, he needed to earn his way in and then go to work, we knew manny would get Hatton on the way in what ever he did but christ he made it easy for Pacman.
I just cant believe they didnt train with all that in mind, id accept that he tried to go in as safe as he could but still got the pasting but he was just wide open to it. If id known he was guna have his chin out like that, get clouted then leave it out again in the exact same way id of favoured Manny from the start.
maybe you are right,but he should have charged on MANNY from an angle,not straightforward as he had done all the time...another approach is for him to be patient in boxing in and out of MANNY,and wait for the right instance to go all out.He landed several solid body blows,but he kept on pressing with his head open.You cant stay open for MANNY for 10 seconds.He will thug your head at any time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ukansodoff
I can sense HATTON disobeyed instructions from his corner.He simply does not have the capacity to adjust.To be frank about this,i can see BOXER oozing with so much pride in HATTON.Simply hardheaded......oppps sorry about this comment.
maybe you are right,but he should have charged on MANNY from an angle,not straightforward as he had done all the time...another approach is for him to be patient in boxing in and out of MANNY,and wait for the right instance to go all out.He landed several solid body blows,but he kept on pressing with his head open.You cant stay open for MANNY for 10 seconds.He will thug your head at any time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ukansodoff
I can sense HATTON disobeyed instructions from his corner.He simply does not have the capacity to adjust.To be frank about this,i can see BOXER oozing with so much pride in HATTON.Simply hardheaded......oppps sorry about this comment...btw i heard a rift between hatton and his trainer....
maybe you are right,but he should have charged on MANNY from an angle,not straightforward as he had done all the time...another approach is for him to be patient in boxing in and out of MANNY,and wait for the right instance to go all out.He landed several solid body blows,but he kept on pressing with his head open.You cant stay open for MANNY for 10 seconds.He will thug your head at any time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ukansodoff
I can sense HATTON disobeyed instructions from his corner.He simply does not have the capacity to adjust.To be frank about this,i can see a BOXER oozing with so much pride in HATTON.Simply hardheaded......oppps sorry about this comment...btw i heard a rift between hatton and his trainer....
maybe you are right,but he should have charged on MANNY from an angle,not straightforward as he had done all the time...another approach is for him to be patient in boxing in and out of MANNY,and wait for the right instance to go all out.He landed several solid body blows,but he kept on pressing with his head open.You cant stay open for MANNY for 10 seconds.He will thug your head at any time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ukansodoff
I can sense HATTON disobeyed instructions from his corner.He simply does not have the capacity to adjust.To be frank about this,i can see a BOXER oozing with so much pride in HATTON.Simply hardheaded......oppps sorry about this comment...btw i heard a rift between hatton and his trainer....