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I don't know why this needs to be at a catch weight TBH.
I think this could turn out to be a decent fight and Cotto has a sound chance at beating Manny. Hatton made Manny look far more spectacular than he really is. And Clottey and the cut made Cotto look more ordinary.
I have no interest in Mayweather against Pac and want the both of them to lose their next fights. If they end up fighting then so be it, but I am against them in the meantime.
Take his head off, Cotto! :mad:
Absolutely!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Im so excited!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Now that this fight has actually been made at a weight that is clearly comfprtable for BOTH fighters, i can rest assured that this fight is going to be something special.
Wow, these guys match up so well im already wishing for a Rematch!!
Pacquiao, Cotto to fight at 145 lbs | Manila Bulletin
Pacquiao, Cotto to fight at 145 lbs
By NICK GIONGCO
July 20, 2009, 6:49pm
After having a private conversation via long distance call with Hall of Fame promoter Bob Arum over the weekend, Manny Pacquiao finally agreed to face Miguel Cotto of Puerto Rico at a catch weight of 145 lbs.
Pacquiao adviser Mike Koncz said “adjustments were made” in the other provisions in the contract and the fight is green and go for the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on November 14.
Pacquiao had initially wanted to bring Cotto down to 143 lbs, citing Cotto is a natural welterweight (147-pounder) while he hasn’t really fought at that level even though he beat up Oscar De La Hoya last year.
Against the Golden Boy, Pacquiao only weighed 142 lbs and against Ricky Hatton last May, the 30-year-old pound-for-pound king tipped the scales at 138.
Pacquiao, Koncz and lawyer Franklin Gacal had originally planned to fly to the US to meet up with Arum to settle the issue but Koncz said that wouldn’t be necessary since Pacquiao has agreed to the terms.
“Bob is expected to make an announcement (about the Pacquiao-Cotto fight) within the week,” said Koncz.
Arum is coming off a three-week vacation in Europe.
Pacquiao’s itinerary in the coming days and weeks remains tight owing to his showbiz commitments.
Again, you were the only one who thought this enough to start a thread about it. No one on here said Hatton was weight drained until you mentioned it on that thread, son...Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogI got it from this forum and only this forum that Hatton was weight drain so I started that thread to ask the Hatton fans if they believe it. They back pedal on it. Here's my original post. Let's not put words into my mouth where I said I believe it. Nice try son.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-LoNot possible. With each Pac win comes criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
If I remember correctly, you started a thread about that statement and you were the only one who believed that.
Hatton was knocked out cause HE LET PAC hit him! No head movement, chin up in the air, what did you expect to happen?
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Originally Posted by generalbulldog
C-Lo, the weight drain thing was brought up by the boxing media, with Ring Magazine the first to make an issue of it & actually being up close at the weigh in, Hatton DID look like he'd struggled making the weight.
But, IF he struggled that is entirely HIS fault. Pacquiao didn't drain him down to a catchweight, it was at the weight where he was supposedly unbeatable & with his Pub Drunk style of fighting, I think Pac knocks him out whatever the weight.
Frankly in this day and age of day before the fight HORSESHIT WEIGH INS, the day before the fight that is,it doesn't matter any more about weight. They have time to replentish themselves where as 25 years ago they weighed in 12 hours before a fight and had less time to recouperate, let alone in the early days when they weighed in right before the fight. It is time for the commissions to go back to same day weigh ins and maybe everyone will fight at their natural weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthere will be because cotto weighed 1 pound less than his last fight, that would make him severly drain :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
YouTube - Pacquiao TKO Fahsang 3K BatteryQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralessince when is Pacquiao known for uppercuts? and a left uppercut at that? Clottey is a stronger man than Manny and even he wasn't able to seriously hurt a one eyed Cotto with the uppercut, a punch that he's pretty much known for, Pacquiao has improved leaps and bounds from what he once was, but he still basically uses, the pawing or quick jab without much power on it to set up the straight left, or the now dangerous right hook, IMO those are Manny's only real weapons, the reason he's so dangerous now though is cause of his accuracy WHEN he's calm and collected, the people that are actually thinking that Cotto is gonna share the same fate as Hatton of getting stopped so early or at all are pretty much taking this shit a bit farQuote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" MedinaHe has problems with the left uppercut which Margo and judah landed multiple times and they rocked him...if ac lands one of those Cotto may go down for the count.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
How about that left uppercut? Does it pass your discriminating taste?
I think Cotto has to worry more about Pacquiao's right hand a.k.a. "the Manila Ice". It played a big part in his last 3 fights.
I'm picking Cotto to win this.
Manny is truly a phenom, but I think a prime and focused Cotto will be too much for him at 145. Miguel won't be as careless as Hatton was, and he won't look as sluggish and drained as Oscar did.
He has underrated hand-speed, a pretty tight defence and can be a murderous body puncher too.
It won't be easy, but I'm going with Cotto by 10th round stoppage.
are you seriously comparing 3k Battery to Cotto?!?:confused: and yea that was at featherweight, how many other fights has he really used the uppercut so effectively, and discriminating? i've given Pacquiao credit for everything he's deserved credit for, Hatton, Morales II, Barrera I, just cause i don't get a hard on from him beating on a bum like David Diaz, beating up a shot weight drained DLH, or barely squeeking by twice against Marquez in fights i don't thing he should have gotten, i think Pacquiao is a great fighter, but he's far from being THE Greatest fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by KananKrusYouTube - Pacquiao TKO Fahsang 3K BatteryQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralessince when is Pacquiao known for uppercuts? and a left uppercut at that? Clottey is a stronger man than Manny and even he wasn't able to seriously hurt a one eyed Cotto with the uppercut, a punch that he's pretty much known for, Pacquiao has improved leaps and bounds from what he once was, but he still basically uses, the pawing or quick jab without much power on it to set up the straight left, or the now dangerous right hook, IMO those are Manny's only real weapons, the reason he's so dangerous now though is cause of his accuracy WHEN he's calm and collected, the people that are actually thinking that Cotto is gonna share the same fate as Hatton of getting stopped so early or at all are pretty much taking this shit a bit farQuote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
How about that left uppercut? Does it pass your discriminating taste?
Pac will win im sure of it. I want Cotto to win cause im a bigger fan of his and not really a fan of Pac. But Pac will stop Cotto, hope im wrong but i doubt it.
For sure I am not comparing Cotto to Fahsang Pirang (3k battery) with that Pac vs Pirang vid provided, at all. I was simply responding to the casual pronouncements made...
Since when was Pacquiao known to have the left uppercut as a weapon in the ring?
The video if referenced, addresses the inquiree accordingly and positively as well.
It is a disservice to us all here at Saddo, to ignore a falsehood to go on unrectified, especially if addressing it is easily achieved. To indirectly enhance the level of truth to our posts should be a prime objective to us all here at Saddo Boxing. For that matter, the truth is prime to anyone worth his salt!
Noteworthy about this fact (the left uppercut), is that nuthuggers... duh! would know, fans would know, and any knowledegable boxing people would definitely know provided with some accurate leeways.
And for "those who do not know", they will however, not put in writing any undermining facts to an entity in general that is unbeknownst to them.
It is the hater that will... put in writing, with the hopes that all others "who do not know" would not seek facts, will not be objective enough, and simply take his' inaccurate pronouncements or writings as facts.
Unforgivingly then, the hater's prime objective of spreading lies, confusion, and negative connotations, will have been met.
well just cause he used it well in ONE fight doesn't really make it one of his weapons, Oscar used his right hand well against Mayorga and Vargas, does that mean you really needed to watch out for his right hand, no, not reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
I have been following Cotto's career from the beginning and I have never seen him come in on fight night weighing more than 157 pounds. Cotto is a big junior welterweight and an average-above average sized welterweight. At 145, Cotto will be fast enough for and still bigger than Manny. If Cotto weighs between 160-170 on fight night, then he will be a sitting duck for Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackHawk
I do not like when Cotto goes against the ropes either, but it only happens against physically big welterweights who pressure Cotto (Mosley, Plasterito,Clottey). Manny is not as big as those three and isn't a "pressure" fighter. This is the main reason why I give Cotto the edge. In my opinion, it could get ugly for Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Cotto has never been cut in the face/eyebrows with a punch. All of the cuts he has had (Urkal, Mosley, Judah, Clottey) have been the results of headbutts. He did have a bleeding lip/mouth against Judah. Manny cuts easier in the eyebrows than Cotto IMO. If there are no headbutts, I believe Manny's face will be the worse for wear.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATION
Going with Manny on this one. He's just firing on all cylinders right now.
This will be a good entertaining fight. I just really hope Pacquiao wins so it doesn't ruin the match everyone wants to see.
Arum is taking a huge risk here but he just cares about keeping all the money to himself before making the big move. Mayweather/Pacquiao will outsell Mayweather/Cotto, but Cotto could definately throw a wrench into that match up.
If Cotto beats Pacquiao impressively, I'd be just as excited to see PBF - Cotto as I currently am to see PBF - Pac. It won't happen though, Cotto is going to get mauled.Quote:
Originally Posted by knodaledge
Yeah. Pac's chances of winning are far greater. I hope he wins too. This fight will be a good watch, definate fireworks. 2nd best fight to be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIf Cotto beats Pacquiao impressively, I'd be just as excited to see PBF - Cotto as I currently am to see PBF - Pac. It won't happen though, Cotto is going to get mauled.Quote:
Originally Posted by knodaledge
OK, I'll admit I'm wrong then. I honestly did not read anything about Hatton being weight drained as a factor. If it's out there, then I missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Bulldog, my fault! Have some rep on me.
Miguel Cotto, Manny Pacquiao agree to November showdown - ESPN
A deal has been completed for boxing's biggest fight of the fall: a showdown between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and welterweight titleholder Miguel Cotto.
Pacquiao and Cotto, two of boxing's most popular and crowd-pleasing fighters, will meet at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on Nov. 14 (HBO PPV), Top Rank promoter Bob Arum told ESPN.com on Monday.
"It's done," said Arum, who was back at work in his Las Vegas office after a vacation in London and Italy and attending a wedding in Israel. "While I was away I reached a verbal agreement with each side. Pacquiao committed to the fight this weekend and Cotto the week before while I was in Israel. I was on the phone all the time trying to get this done."
Arum said his attorney, Michael Heitner, was preparing the documents for signatures.
"But everything is agreed or I wouldn't say what I am saying," Arum said. "The weight, the percentages, the guarantees -- it's all agreed to."
Although the percentage split was not disclosed, Pacquiao (49-3-2, 37 KOs) will receive more than 50 percent of the money. That was never a serious sticking point, however. The key holdup had been the contract weight.
Cotto (34-1, 27 KOs), a titleholder at 147 pounds, had agreed to drop below the welterweight limit for the fight. Pacquiao, the 140-pound junior welterweight champion, wanted him to come all the way down to 143 pounds. Cotto refused. Ultimately, they agreed on a 145-pound maximum weight.
Pacquiao, 30, the national hero of the Philippines, scored a sensational knockout of Ricky Hatton to win the junior welterweight title on May 2 at the MGM Grand. The victory gave Pacquiao a world championship in a record-tying sixth weight division.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0720..._mcotto_65.jpg Cotto
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0720...acquiao_65.jpg Pacquiao
Cotto, 28, of Puerto Rico, is coming off a bloody split decision victory in a title defense against Joshua Clottey on June 13 at New York's Madison Square Garden.
Given their penchant for all-action brawls, Arum said he had high expectations that Cotto and Pacquiao would produce another memorable fight.
"I'm really excited because it's a real fight. These are two real warriors," Arum said. "Whichever way this fight goes, I think it's going to be a classic because of the way these guys fight. There will be a lot of engagement. They're great fighters. Cotto and Pacquiao are gutty guys. If you want blood and action and excitement, this is the fight."
Arum said tickets would go on sale in late August followed by a three-city press tour.
"I want to get it done the week after Labor Day so I don't interfere with the Floyd Mayweather-Juan Manuel Marquez fight," he said. "I don't want [Golden Boy Promotions] saying I jumped them."
Arum said the tentative tour schedule would be Sept. 9 in Los Angeles, Sept. 10 in New York and Sept. 12 in San Juan, Puerto Rico.
"Pacquiao and Cotto are both very pumped up for the fight," he said.
Dan Rafael is ESPN.com's boxing writer.
I agree with this. I don't think Cotto is going to sit on the ropes cause that's exactly where Pac would want him to be. I see Cotto imposing his strength and try to back Manny up. But I also wouldn't be surprised to see him box like he did against Mosley. Cotto has more than one trick up his sleeve which makes it difficult for me as a Pacquiao fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanI do not like when Cotto goes against the ropes either, but it only happens against physically big welterweights who pressure Cotto (Mosley, Plasterito,Clottey). Manny is not as big as those three and isn't a "pressure" fighter. This is the main reason why I give Cotto the edge. In my opinion, it could get ugly for Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
This is going to be a good one!
yea, how some people are trying to compare it to the Hatton fight is ridiculous, i think it's going to be a good tough fight for BOTH fightersQuote:
Originally Posted by C-LoI agree with this. I don't think Cotto is going to sit on the ropes cause that's exactly where Pac would want him to be. I see Cotto imposing his strength and try to back Manny up. But I also wouldn't be surprised to see him box like he did against Mosley. Cotto has more than one trick up his sleeve which makes it difficult for me as a Pacquiao fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanI do not like when Cotto goes against the ropes either, but it only happens against physically big welterweights who pressure Cotto (Mosley, Plasterito,Clottey). Manny is not as big as those three and isn't a "pressure" fighter. This is the main reason why I give Cotto the edge. In my opinion, it could get ugly for Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
This is going to be a good one!
C-Lo what are you doing man, you should never admit you're wrong on an online foum that's basic! You just dig your heels in starting arguing MORE LOUDLY and if that fails you then resort to personal insults and annoying smilies like these :vd::LOLATYOU::lolhaha::fyou:Quote:
Originally Posted by C-LoOK, I'll admit I'm wrong then. I honestly did not read anything about Hatton being weight drained as a factor. If it's out there, then I missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Bulldog, my fault! Have some rep on me.
Just never use the soapbox one, that's mine :soapbox:
He was159 for urkal and has come in at 160 but after thatQuote:
Originally Posted by RicanI have been following Cotto's career from the beginning and I have never seen him come in on fight night weighing more than 157 pounds. Cotto is a big junior welterweight and an average-above average sized welterweight. At 145, Cotto will be fast enough for and still bigger than Manny. If Cotto weighs between 160-170 on fight night, then he will be a sitting duck for Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackHawk
hes not allowed hbo to weigh him on fight night
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/20/cotto159.th.jpg