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I was hoping this would be closer.. Marquez even if he does put on more weight is not going to look any more ripped that's for sure... Mayweather could weight 154 pounds fight night...

Even if Floyd has to pay a big sum for weight 2 pounds over the 144 agreed weight, it won't be as devestating to his wallet in the long run than a loss in his comeback fight.... If not struggling to get to 144 saved him a lot of pressure on his body, then it was well worth the price of having a much bigger advantage in the fight...

That's the point of having a catchweight though...! So the bigger stronger guy actually needs to get their weight down to a point where it's not that big of an advantage for the lighter smaller guy...

But those pics show Marquez has a big uphill battle from the start..

I guess I sum it up like this, what Floyd did was cold calculated strategy he seized an advantage and will pay the monetary cost with in the contract.
JMM will now be 600k richer to fight an opponent 2lbs heavier than expected not bad afterall

Also I couldnt help but feel good for Marquez, this whole promotion has allowed him to get the exposure and accolades he deserved all along. Instead of being known as a guy who gave Manny Pacquiao a run and a silent #2 PFP fighter, he has now got the spotlight and credit he deserves for being a great fighter/ warrior and one who has had an incredible career... Long over due Juan :appl:

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bemused really

How the hell can someone who trains year in year out for 147 not be able to drop 2 extra pounds to make weight??

No conspiracy theorys here, floyds purse is gonna be severly hit and we all know how much that`ll hurt him. Someone seriously dropped a bollock on this one!!

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does that mean dropped a shiit?;D

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bemused really

How the hell can someone who trains year in year out for 147 not be able to drop 2 extra pounds to make weight??

No conspiracy theorys here, floyds purse is gonna be severly hit and we all know how much that`ll hurt him. Someone seriously dropped a bollock on this one!!

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does that mean dropped a shiit?;D

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messed up ;D

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bemused really

How the hell can someone who trains year in year out for 147 not be able to drop 2 extra pounds to make weight??

No conspiracy theorys here, floyds purse is gonna be severly hit and we all know how much that`ll hurt him. Someone seriously dropped a bollock on this one!!

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does that mean dropped a shiit?;D

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messed up ;D

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I ask, since Bollock to me is probably the most diverse and confusing slang people in Great Britain use.

I have interpreted it as Bullshit before

Seems like it could be a substitute for the word shiit

Also nonsense

Your pulling my leg

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does that mean dropped a shiit?;D

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I ask, since Bollock to me is probably the most diverse and confusing slang people in Great Britain use.

I have interpreted it as Bullshit before

Seems like it could be a substitute for the word shiit

Also nonsense

Your pulling my leg

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a bollock here is a testicle ala:"f*ck me my bollocks itch"


Also while the term wanker in the us may be nothing more than something playful over here its one of the worst things you can call someone as it suggests they masturbate a hell of a lot ;D;D;D

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I ask, since Bollock to me is probably the most diverse and confusing slang people in Great Britain use.

I have interpreted it as Bullshit before

Seems like it could be a substitute for the word shiit

Also nonsense

Your pulling my leg

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a bollock here is a testicle ala:"f*ck me my bollocks itch"


Also while the term wanker in the us may be nothing more than something playful over here its one of the worst things you can call someone as it suggests they masturbate a hell of a lot ;D;D;D

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Habitual masturbation certainly has a plethora of benefits including exceptional prostate health, at least thats what I tell myself as I hack my carrot ;D

moving right along..... This seems to be a very active Saturday on the boards as we all anxiously await tonights fight, I'm going to assume I wasnt the only one who had trouble falling asleep playing this fight through my head and pondering all outcomes and up early to discuss them here. I will say Floyd and his controversy ALWAYS adds extra spice to a fight which dosent make so cut and dry.

Im sooooo ANGRY!!!

witth regards to the two extra pounds that Floyd didn't loose:

It's not about Floyd being 2 pounds bigger. It's about Floyd not being 2 pounds weaker... Think about it.

Not meaning to contradict myself here but if Mayweather and Marquez had both agreed that Marquez was gonna come all the way up from Lightweight to face Mayweather only if at catchweight of 144 then what is Mayweather doing fighting at 146???

What, you telling me he cant make 144? Bit late for that! :mad:

What if Cotto came in at 147 for his fight against Paquiao... Woah, that would be a travesty because o fcourse Cotto was made to put up his 147lb belt for a fight at 145 so ''oh no but that holds way more implications''... I fuckin hate this sport.

Thats it, i absolutely refuse to watch this bullshit.
Im watching UFC tonight. Laters.

For the DelaHoya vs Pac fight, coach Freddie Roach insisted on a $1.5M penalty for every pound over the welterweight limit of 147 at weigh-in. He stipulated a harsh deterrent to guard against this. He must've envisioned a similar scenario, which puts his fighter at a tremenduous disadvantage at fight night, if it indeed materialized.

PBF might have possibly made a wisened calculated risk, as JT has pointed out earlier, and a great move at that IMHO, for practically peanuts at $600K in comparison.

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For the DelaHoya vs Pac fight, coach Freddie Roach insisted on a $1.5M penalty for every pound over the welterweight limit of 147 at weigh-in. He stipulated a harsh deterrent to guard against this. He must've envisioned a similar scenario, which puts his fighter at a tremenduous disadvantage at fight night, if it indeed materialized.

PBF might have possibly made a wisened calculated risk, as JT has pointed out earlier, and a great move at that IMHO, for practically peanuts at $600K in comparison.

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I mean the beauty of this whole thing is the fact it isint a forgone conclusion yet.. JMM beats him Floyd has egg on his face he'll never be able to wipe off, JMM has nothing to lose came up 2 weights fighting a prime unretired undefeated previous PFP#1 fighter in the world not to mention he made the fastest 600k in the world when Floyd stepped on the scale..

I say all is well in JMM land over 3mil plus PPV revenue all the accolades win or lose, courage an admiration to the hill. If there is anyone who could pull this off its JMM

Floyd never tried to make weight.Shifty 3 card monty last minute deals with Oscar and just figured he'd throw money at the poor little turkey booger eating fellow from meheco rather than work if off.Think someone else filled that glass for Marquez!Still,Floyd may come in around 152ish and Marquez 144.One stuck to their professional obligation and one did not.

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Floyd never tried to make weight.Shifty 3 card monty last minute deals with Oscar and just figured he'd throw money at the poor little turkey booger eating fellow from meheco rather than work if off.Think someone else filled that glass for Marquez!Still,Floyd may come in around 152ish and Marquez 144.One stuck to their professional obligation and one did not.

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Marquez signed off on it bro.. I believe the vast millions plus the fact that he is 10000000000000% convinced that he can beat Floyd is the other reason. JMM is a man on a mission he flew to the Philippines right after the PAC lost and challenged him again at an event.. The guy is one of the last Legacy motivated fighters in the sport.

As far as the whole turkey booger eating poor guy from meheco comment. I really feel as though that discredits JMM more than it illustrates your opinion. JMM and his family wants for nothing, not to mention the guy is a legend and well respected. The fact that he is Mexican had nothing to do with it since he is extremely well off and dosent live in some run down village. Floyd made a calculated risk and didnt breach contract, he just bent the hell out of it.

Tounge in cheek JT...jeez.But I don't think Floyd shares your respect for Marquez,thats obvious to me.Of course Marquez signed off on it...whats he going to do?Beg off and cancel out.Great fighters dont do that!Or maybe stand his ground and demand Mayweather works off the weight...right.

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Tounge in cheek JT...jeez.But I don't think Floyd shares your respect for Marquez,thats obvious to me.Of course Marquez signed off on it...whats he going to do?Beg off and cancel out.Great fighters dont do that!Or maybe stand his ground and demand Mayweather works off the weight...right.

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EXACTLY!!!! Why didnt the commission, Berastein, DLH demand Floyd comeback after sweating out 2lbs? If Mayweather came in at 148-149 then yea Bullshit and Fuk Floyd for being a scumbag but provisions were made for the Welterweight limit being the ceiling and stiff penalties were agreed to for over 144, everyone knew the ramifications.. I'll venture to guess DLH, BHOP behind the scenes were probably appreciating Mayweather to themselves for such a calculated move.. Shiit, thats a page out of Hopkins book of a thinking mans fighter. Floyd won round one on that stage..

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Tounge in cheek JT...jeez.But I don't think Floyd shares your respect for Marquez,thats obvious to me.Of course Marquez signed off on it...whats he going to do?Beg off and cancel out.Great fighters dont do that!Or maybe stand his ground and demand Mayweather works off the weight...right.

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EXACTLY!!!! Why didnt the commission, Berastein, DLH demand Floyd comeback after sweating out 2lbs? If Mayweather came in at 148-149 then yea Bullshit and Fuk Floyd for being a scumbag but provisions were made for the Welterweight limit being the ceiling and stiff penalties were agreed to for over 144, everyone knew the ramifications.. I'll venture to guess DLH, BHOP behind the scenes were probably appreciating Mayweather to themselves for such a calculated move.. Shiit, thats a page out of Hopkins book of a thinking mans fighter. Floyd won round one on that stage..

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If you ask me,their all ready smelling the Manny match.Its the only reason Mayweather took this.Over looking to a bigger degree Marquez than Cotto.Big mistakes on both fronts.Point is,its a shit move on Mayweathers part especially considering Marquez was a lightweight coming up.Very unnecessary and I believe unprofessional.Marquez has no friends in that fooking syndicate,Oscar may shake his hand but he's giving Floyd high fives with the other.All smells like a steaming pile to me.

Great points you gents! Made without the smelly nastiness... is like boxing 101, Wisdom from the Sugarman!

again dude, Why are you selling JMM that short.. IF JMM pulls of the upset and Pac gets by Cotto the 3rd installment of their trilogy would be on par with ALI/Frazier Gatti/Ward etc..

The money generated for a 3rd fight at the highest level of notoriety and mainstream would be ridiculous. JMM legend and popularity picked up an assload of steam, did you see the heroes reception he got in episode 4 when he arrived in LA? Did you notice the pro JMM crowd during the weigh in?

Seriously Spicoli a JMM win would send Mexico into a frenzy coupled with the passionate Filipino fanbase of PAC on the grandest stage??? Just as electrifiying as a Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight

I don't think there was anything cool in the move that Floyd pulled earlier on. It was cold and calculating. The public was led to believe that this fight was a 144 pound catchweight. The fact that Floyd couldn't....or wouldn't (as seems more likely) meet that catch weight is the issue here. He has decieved the boxing public with his carry on even if he hasn't decieved Richard Schaeffer.

I hope we get a great fight like anyone, but I cannot help but feel that this was a manipulated situation. There is nothing to credit Floyd for in pulling this stunt. Of course Marquez is a warrior and will fight regardless, but that really is not the point. If the fight was for 147 five months ago then why wasn't that made clear? The fans have been duped in this scenario.

I guess the upside to this is now absolutely nobody expects JMM to win, thus he loses no credibility at all in a probable loss.

If indeed Floyd comes in around 149 on fight night, that's not a massive difference to figting a 145lb Pac like JMM did in their 2nd fight.

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I guess the upside to this is now absolutely nobody expects JMM to win, thus he loses no credibility at all in a probable loss.

If indeed Floyd comes in around 149 on fight night, that's not a massive difference to figting a 145lb Pac like JMM did in their 2nd fight.

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Tounge in cheek JT...jeez.But I don't think Floyd shares your respect for Marquez,thats obvious to me.Of course Marquez signed off on it...whats he going to do?Beg off and cancel out.Great fighters dont do that!Or maybe stand his ground and demand Mayweather works off the weight...right.

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EXACTLY!!!! Why didnt the commission, Berastein, DLH demand Floyd comeback after sweating out 2lbs? If Mayweather came in at 148-149 then yea Bullshit and Fuk Floyd for being a scumbag but provisions were made for the Welterweight limit being the ceiling and stiff penalties were agreed to for over 144, everyone knew the ramifications.. I'll venture to guess DLH, BHOP behind the scenes were probably appreciating Mayweather to themselves for such a calculated move.. Shiit, thats a page out of Hopkins book of a thinking mans fighter. Floyd won round one on that stage..

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Floyd's choice! Had Floyd came in another pound over he would have been fined by the commission %10 of his guaranteed that's $1,000,000. Floyd had the time to sweat it out but opted to pay the 2 lbs.

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I don't think there was anything cool in the move that Floyd pulled earlier on. It was cold and calculating. The public was led to believe that this fight was a 144 pound catchweight. The fact that Floyd couldn't....or wouldn't (as seems more likely) meet that catch weight is the issue here. He has decieved the boxing public with his carry on even if he hasn't decieved Richard Schaeffer.

I hope we get a great fight like anyone, but I cannot help but feel that this was a manipulated situation. There is nothing to credit Floyd for in pulling this stunt. Of course Marquez is a warrior and will fight regardless, but that really is not the point. If the fight was for 147 five months ago then why wasn't that made clear? The fans have been duped in this scenario.

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Were talking about 2 damn pounds here, you really feel so duped and cheated to the point of disgust over 2 pounds. If you felt like it was a gross mismatch from jump street than fine, but 2lbs certainly aint a David and Goliath mismatch and isnt going to automatically shoot this fight to shit

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I guess the upside to this is now absolutely nobody expects JMM to win, thus he loses no credibility at all in a probable loss.

If indeed Floyd comes in around 149 on fight night, that's not a massive difference to figting a 145lb Pac like JMM did in their 2nd fight.

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I don't think there was anything cool in the move that Floyd pulled earlier on. It was cold and calculating. The public was led to believe that this fight was a 144 pound catchweight. The fact that Floyd couldn't....or wouldn't (as seems more likely) meet that catch weight is the issue here. He has decieved the boxing public with his carry on even if he hasn't decieved Richard Schaeffer.

I hope we get a great fight like anyone, but I cannot help but feel that this was a manipulated situation. There is nothing to credit Floyd for in pulling this stunt. Of course Marquez is a warrior and will fight regardless, but that really is not the point. If the fight was for 147 five months ago then why wasn't that made clear? The fans have been duped in this scenario.

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Were talking about 2 damn pounds here, you really feel so duped and cheated to the point of disgust over 2 pounds. If you felt like it was a gross mismatch from jump street than fine, but 2lbs certainly aint a David and Goliath mismatch and isnt going to automatically shoot this fight to shit

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2 pounds doesn't sound like much but it makes a heck of a difference when dealing with these smaller men. They are after all 4 pounds different which is a weight class apart in the smaller divisions. It isn't David and Goliath but you know that Marquez has made great efforts to bulk up, whereas Mayweather who will earn 3 times as much has just turned up how he wants.

It's an issue of ethics and morals and Mayweather is seemingly absent of both in this situation. Like you, all I want is a good fight. I expected the fight to be at 144 like most others did. You cannot help but feel shortchanged that it's not though. This fight was billed as a catchweight fight. I don't see the catchweight though. :-\

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again dude, Why are you selling JMM that short.. IF JMM pulls of the upset and Pac gets by Cotto the 3rd installment of their trilogy would be on par with ALI/Frazier Gatti/Ward etc..

The money generated for a 3rd fight at the highest level of notoriety and mainstream would be ridiculous. JMM legend and popularity picked up an assload of steam, did you see the heroes reception he got in episode 4 when he arrived in LA? Did you notice the pro JMM crowd during the weigh in?

Seriously Spicoli a JMM win would send Mexico into a frenzy coupled with the passionate Filipino fanbase of PAC on the grandest stage??? Just as electrifiying as a Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight

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Not selling him short brutha.You very well know that,come on.Just trying to go light on the kool aid.All is stacked against Marquez,everything and yes I picked him in this fight.Heart a factor as well as long time fan but I also think he has a solid mental make up that Floyd can only experience through reading.

Personally i dont think someone as fiercely competitive as Mayweather would come in at 146 if the weight limit was meant to be 144. If that WAS the case, then im almost certain that Floyd would come in dead on the weight or under just to prove a point because i dont believe for one second that Mayweather cant make at least 140! But thats just my opinion guys.

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Personally i dont think someone as fiercely competitive as Mayweather would come in at 146 if the weight limit was meant to be 144. If that WAS the case, then im almost certain that Floyd would come in dead on the weight or under just to prove a point because i dont believe for one second that Mayweather cant make at least 140! But thats just my opinion guys.

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Well I've seen the video and it seems so... now I wonder how much of his purse he'll have to sacrifice for arriving 2 pounds over the limit, which is damn lot around the welterweight division.

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Personally i dont think someone as fiercely competitive as Mayweather would come in at 146 if the weight limit was meant to be 144. If that WAS the case, then im almost certain that Floyd would come in dead on the weight or under just to prove a point because i dont believe for one second that Mayweather cant make at least 140! But thats just my opinion guys.

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Well I've seen the video and it seems so... now I wonder how much of his purse he'll have to sacrifice for arriving 2 pounds over the limit, which is damn lot around the welterweight division.

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It's apparently 300k a pound mate. So 600k and the 5 million he is paying the IRS, not a great week for Floyd.

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You know something Kel, I'm calling Bullshit on your asss. YOU SHUT THE FUK UP!!!! JMM signed the contracts did he not??? What do you care anyway? You really think 144-146 is going to be that dramatic? The way your carrying on does nothing but minimize all JMM efforts, training

Nothing was ever officialy announced it was all speculation apparently. Keith Kizer said Maywether was right it was a Welterweight fight with no side agreement/penalty for coming in 144

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Everyone heard 144, I read 144 in many articles and once all bets are made and the fight is paid for.........Floyd is fighting at his ideal weight! Well fuck me!

Even the 24/7 mentioned the 144 weight anyway, so shut up, sit the fuck down, and watch Floyd beat another cherry picked poor fucker who has EVERYTHING againsed him.

Run with it, bitch tits!

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Where was the big deal made? Where was the protest? Who said anything???? Did the commissioner demand a re-weigh? Did Marquez sign the contract? You dont think that was planned? I have never seen a weigh in as nonchalant as that for someone who missed weight.. No one on the stage gave a fuck no one uttered a peep

Answer me those questions intelligently and i'll gladly give reverence to your usual slagging and shiit talk

Dont mouth off to me you prick, you disrespected a whole lot of people with your big mouth on this thread and I called you on it!!! So man up you eunuch and admit your fukwitted mouth went to far this time

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LOL, yeah I went off on one last night because the catchweight of 144 seemed like the only fair bit of the deal for Marquez and people were saying it's no big deal, I still think it's bullshit that the fans found this out the night before the fight.

Anyway sorry if I offended you (or anyone else) I was raging mad as you can probably tell. My bad

...not very professional on Floyd's part, perhaps there is trouble with him or in his camp

Lets face it, the 24/7 program is pure bullshit facade to sell tickets. Floyd said he knows what weight he is every morning he steps out of bed without getting on the scales.

That aside, he either has struggled to shed a little extra weight and shit himself close to fight night and had to arrange for the contract to be changed due to that, or, he's gotten worried / has been worried about JMM right from the start and his camp have taken the sneaky but clever decision to hold onto a couple of pounds just to make sure of the advantages and lose a little capital . Hell, he'll make that back in an instant with A fight against PACballs....

I'm hopin he struggled to get down to the weight full stop and had to even run/steam/shit off a couple pounds more even to reach 146. That makes him a little drained right. Anywasy, makes for a more interesting fight night, and heres to hopin my man JMM wipes the smiles clean off of his face.....

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Everyone heard 144, I read 144 in many articles and once all bets are made and the fight is paid for.........Floyd is fighting at his ideal weight! Well fuck me!

Even the 24/7 mentioned the 144 weight anyway, so shut up, sit the fuck down, and watch Floyd beat another cherry picked poor fucker who has EVERYTHING againsed him.

Run with it, bitch tits!

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Where was the big deal made? Where was the protest? Who said anything???? Did the commissioner demand a re-weigh? Did Marquez sign the contract? You dont think that was planned? I have never seen a weigh in as nonchalant as that for someone who missed weight.. No one on the stage gave a fuck no one uttered a peep

Answer me those questions intelligently and i'll gladly give reverence to your usual slagging and shiit talk

Dont mouth off to me you prick, you disrespected a whole lot of people with your big mouth on this thread and I called you on it!!! So man up you eunuch and admit your fukwitted mouth went to far this time

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LOL, yeah I went off on one last night because the catchweight of 144 seemed like the only fair bit of the deal for Marquez and people were saying it's no big deal, I still think it's bullshit that the fans found this out the night before the fight.

Anyway sorry if I offended you (or anyone else) I was raging mad as you can probably tell. My bad

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Hahahaha!!! It's all good buddy, shit happens were all very passionate and bound to step on someone elses crank once in a while.. No hard feelings

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I guess the upside to this is now absolutely nobody expects JMM to win, thus he loses no credibility at all in a probable loss.

If indeed Floyd comes in around 149 on fight night, that's not a massive difference to figting a 145lb Pac like JMM did in their 2nd fight.

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In that sense you are right, but Pac did make the contracted weight come the weigh in.

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The contract was SIGNED for 144 pounds with penalties for coming in higher. Floyd applied to increase the weight a couple of days before the fight. If welterweight was the limit, then why would he have to apply to raise it? Why would he even need Marquez's consent?

Would Marquez try to come in higher if he knew Mayweather (or the actual weight limit) would come in at 146-147? Marquez was building muscle up to 144, not 147. The more you look at it, the more it looks like Marquez was duped to come in at the lower weight. Almost like a bribe. On weigh in day, 4 pounds is a lot as opposed to on the day of the fight.

Marquez might be a brave warrior, but he is giving up a lot against the best boxer out there today. I just hope it's a better fight than it will be. Floyd, when he gets Marquez in trouble in th early rounds, will be able to put him away as opposed to Manny and Diaz, who could not.

Read this article. There were so many suspicious shenanigans going on that one can't help but feel there's something wrong about the whole thing.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. owes Juan Manual Marquez $600K after weighing two pounds overweight - ESPN