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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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miles
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Rantcatrat
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miles
Mayweather NEEDS to sign a penalty contract in the case of making the weight as the Marquez fight showed he cannot be trusted.
Manny Pac NEEDS to adhere to all drug testing procedures. It's the right thing to do and a simple "I don't like blood tests" simply does not suffice as an acceptable excuse.
Good Post. I agree. Nothing wrong with drug tests.
Why is Mayweather requiring as a condition of the fight taking place that Pacquiao submit to drug tests when he did not require Marquez to take drug tests?
That's an interesting question. Maybe because it's Pac that has been going up the weights blowing people away with such ease and Mayweather wants to make sure there are no issues at play. Marquez looked to be up to his limits at 135, but it was his sheer will that got him through. Pac has been blowing through opponents like the wind through leaves. It is impressive, but it leaves you thinking "how does he keep on going up and doing it ever more impressively?". I understand Mayweather wanting to get Pac checked out, and if Manny has nothing to hide, then you would think he would have no issues complying. It's for a mammoth payday and the extra effort involved is really quite minimal.
there wasnt suspicion for the reasons youve listed such as marquez maybe not looking his best at 135 never mind 147, main for me is though.... nacho has never had a fighter test positive for performance enhancers... roach has!
also marquez didnt have anyone that we know of in his team with links to the balco scandal..... pacquaio does!
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
Good Post. I agree. Nothing wrong with drug tests.
Why is Mayweather requiring as a condition of the fight taking place that Pacquiao submit to drug tests when he did not require Marquez to take drug tests?
That's an interesting question. Maybe because it's Pac that has been going up the weights blowing people away with such ease and Mayweather wants to make sure there are no issues at play. Marquez looked to be up to his limits at 135, but it was his sheer will that got him through. Pac has been blowing through opponents like the wind through leaves. It is impressive, but it leaves you thinking "how does he keep on going up and doing it ever more impressively?". I understand Mayweather wanting to get Pac checked out, and if Manny has nothing to hide, then you would think he would have no issues complying. It's for a mammoth payday and the extra effort involved is really quite minimal.
there wasnt suspicion for the reasons youve listed such as marquez maybe not looking his best at 135 never mind 147, main for me is though.... nacho has never had a fighter test positive for performance enhancers... roach has!
also marquez didnt have anyone that we know of in his team with links to the balco scandal..... pacquaio does!
Yeah, the reasons given were more my own than anything Mayweather might have actually been thinking. Your reasons sound like something a lot more worrying.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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miles
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hitmanhatton
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miles
That's an interesting question. Maybe because it's Pac that has been going up the weights blowing people away with such ease and Mayweather wants to make sure there are no issues at play. Marquez looked to be up to his limits at 135, but it was his sheer will that got him through. Pac has been blowing through opponents like the wind through leaves. It is impressive, but it leaves you thinking "how does he keep on going up and doing it ever more impressively?". I understand Mayweather wanting to get Pac checked out, and if Manny has nothing to hide, then you would think he would have no issues complying. It's for a mammoth payday and the extra effort involved is really quite minimal.
there wasnt suspicion for the reasons youve listed such as marquez maybe not looking his best at 135 never mind 147, main for me is though.... nacho has never had a fighter test positive for performance enhancers... roach has!
also marquez didnt have anyone that we know of in his team with links to the balco scandal..... pacquaio does!
Yeah, the reasons given were more my own than anything Mayweather might have actually been thinking. Your reasons sound like something a lot more worrying.
in what way, that its more condeming or sounds absurd ?
im not sure whether to go along the no smoke without fire line or innocent till proven guilty...
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Why should Pacquiao comply? This is just another Mayweather ploy to play head games...Hell if he agrees to the overweight pricing then I am sure Freddie will talk Manny into taking the test....Floyd is scared and to say different is a Floyd nut hugger....
It is an insult to Pacquiao that he take a test for Floyds satisfaction...Yet Floyd won't agree to Manny's request? :rolleyes: Floyd always looking to stack the deck in his favor
The idea of Manny should just take the test to prove Floyd wrong is not a good reply...This will then become a common practice for other fighters making simular demands of opponents...
Hell Floyd is the one who left the sport....Manny stayed and fought on but now Manny should jump at what Floyd wants? Nah...
Yet Floyd knows he wants to come in overweight to make thing ever more in his favor....
Why doesn't Floyd agree to have his whole body tested for feces and prove he is not one big asshole?
Manny should nor any fighter have to take anything more then the mandatory test required by the commission or the other guy should have to succumb to the same test or at minimum one guy gives in to the others demands then vice versa
Fair is fair
Nuthugger stepping to the plate I guess... Or it should say anyone who disagrees with Daxx Khan is wrong:rolleyes:
Anyway, when was the last time Mayweather didnt make the 147 limit?? Enough said!!!!
The fact that Pac is the only guy in the history of boxing to storm through 7 weight classes in an era where PED and designer Roids are the rule rather than exception has raised red flags... I gotta tell you besides Lance Armstrong every other elite athlete who they have been suspicious of have most of the time have been connected to some kind of PED or the evidence has been so overwhelming you would have to be blind not to accept it...
I particularly think that the whole Floyd walked away and Manny kept fighting so Manny should ignore Floyd argument is as short sighted as I have ever heard since this came to fruition...
Where talking about 2 Hall Of Fame fighters who are the 2 best of this generation and hopefully about to engage in the most meanigful fight in the whole history of the sport... Floyd has every reason to be concerned about his legacy in the midst of all the rumors swirling around steroid or PED use..
If there is smoke than there is fire, should be nothing to hide here about blood testing, its not like they are going to take 2 quarts from Pac and weaken him like he is on Chemo or something... Not to mention Floyd is not asking Pac to do anything that he isint going to do either...
Reminds me of Sammy Sosa being accused of doing Roids by a reporter.... Sammy said all take a test now or anytime.. Reporter gets an independent lab lined up and all of a sudden Sosa is mumbling and jumbling without taking a test, and guess what he never failed a drug test either but he wont even snif the hall of fame like the rest of them....
Floyd scared nah, Floyd wants to make sure he is fighting an athlete who is natural at his craft like himself without any enhancements
I am a nut hugger because I don't agree with what Floyd is demanding...
Oh Wait JT gets in like a big man and starts to throw out sarcastic things like...Anyone who doesn't agree with Daxx is wrong...:rolleyes:
It is reasons like that I hardly post here anymore..
Have a good holiday
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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hitmanhatton
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miles
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hitmanhatton
there wasnt suspicion for the reasons youve listed such as marquez maybe not looking his best at 135 never mind 147, main for me is though.... nacho has never had a fighter test positive for performance enhancers... roach has!
also marquez didnt have anyone that we know of in his team with links to the balco scandal..... pacquaio does!
Yeah, the reasons given were more my own than anything Mayweather might have actually been thinking. Your reasons sound like something a lot more worrying.
in what way, that its more condeming or sounds absurd ?
im not sure whether to go along the no smoke without fire line or innocent till proven guilty...
I had no knowledge of anyone in the Pac team with links to the balco scandal so it sounds more condemning, but I really hadn't thought about it from your angle. If what you say is true then it sounds less than absurd and makes me more suspicious.
I know what you mean, I don't want to put any blame out when there really isn't any hard evidence and the Pac team is notorious for it's pre-fight shenanigans, but this carry on seems a bit much. None of the other negotiation problems spilled over to this extent. It was even on BBC world saying that the fight is off. Some serious shit has gone down here.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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miles
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hitmanhatton
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miles
Yeah, the reasons given were more my own than anything Mayweather might have actually been thinking. Your reasons sound like something a lot more worrying.
in what way, that its more condeming or sounds absurd ?
im not sure whether to go along the no smoke without fire line or innocent till proven guilty...
I had no knowledge of anyone in the Pac team with links to the balco scandal so it sounds more condemning, but I really hadn't thought about it from your angle. If what you say is true then it sounds less than absurd and makes me more suspicious.
I know what you mean, I don't want to put any blame out when there really isn't any hard evidence and the Pac team is notorious for it's pre-fight shenanigans, but this carry on seems a bit much. None of the other negotiation problems spilled over to this extent. It was even on BBC world saying that the fight is off. Some serious shit has gone down here.
there are also roaches links with the likes of stallonre and micky rourke, both users... althought i think there is less in that than some people make out
ill get the info bout the balco link when i finish work and pm you a couple of the atrticles i have read..
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
IF this is true that the fight has been canceled the following statement is true:
"Pacquiao refuses to fight because of a drug test."
That makes me suspicious too. It's not an unfair purse split, the money has been agreed upon. It's not a weight issue, they have a agreed to weight and set a record 10 million penalty per pound. It's not an equipment issue, gloves and ring size have been agreed upon. It's not a location issue, the location has been agreed upon.
You can spin this against Mayweather however you want but the above statement is still true.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
To expect any fighter to succumb to bloodtesting multiple times during the middle of their training and the night before or the night of the fight is ludicris. No fighter in the history of the sport has ever had to take random blood tests in the middle of their training or right before the fight... Why should Floyd be allowed to make such a rediculous request. I know for a fact i am quite sluggish after getting blood tested. So I guess Floyd is bigger then the History of the sport... Seriously????
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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To expect any fighter to succumb to bloodtesting multiple times during the middle of their training and the night before or the night of the fight is ludicris. No fighter in the history of the sport has ever had to take random blood tests in the middle of their training or right before the fight... Why should Floyd be allowed to make such a rediculous request. I know for a fact i am quite sluggish after getting blood tested. So I guess Floyd is bigger then the History of the sport... Seriously????
Floyd himself will be subjected to the exact same testing, so what's the problem?
Is it that ridiculous that professional athletes should have to take a full drug screen?
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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cnote111
To expect any fighter to succumb to bloodtesting multiple times during the middle of their training and the night before or the night of the fight is ludicris. No fighter in the history of the sport has ever had to take random blood tests in the middle of their training or right before the fight... Why should Floyd be allowed to make such a rediculous request. I know for a fact i am quite sluggish after getting blood tested. So I guess Floyd is bigger then the History of the sport... Seriously????
im pretty sure floyd be subject to the same tests so this is no excuse
plus most other sports have these random tests... why shouldnt boxing
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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cnote111
To expect any fighter to succumb to bloodtesting multiple times during the middle of their training and the night before or the night of the fight is ludicris. No fighter in the history of the sport has ever had to take random blood tests in the middle of their training or right before the fight... Why should Floyd be allowed to make such a rediculous request. I know for a fact i am quite sluggish after getting blood tested. So I guess Floyd is bigger then the History of the sport... Seriously????
im pretty sure floyd be subject to the same tests so this is no excuse
I agree with your sentiments and those of KS above. There is nothing ludicrous about wanting an opponent checked out thoroughly. This is a sport where brains get bashed about, it is far more serious than other sports. If a full check is wanted then it must be adhered to. If both men are doing it then neither is placed at a disadvantage.
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Latest Report, Pac-man Mayweather called off
Latest report from E.S.P.N. is that the megafight has been called off. Why am I not suprised.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
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Re: Latest Report, Pac-man Mayweather called off
I know i'm commenting on my own thread here but the latest report is that this blood test is going to be at random. Which basically means that they can come in at 4 a.m. the night before the fight and take a blood sample. This is according to Dan Rafael of e.s.p.n. This is the reason why Pac-man is fighting this, again according to e.s.p.n.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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miles
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
To expect any fighter to succumb to bloodtesting multiple times during the middle of their training and the night before or the night of the fight is ludicris. No fighter in the history of the sport has ever had to take random blood tests in the middle of their training or right before the fight... Why should Floyd be allowed to make such a rediculous request. I know for a fact i am quite sluggish after getting blood tested. So I guess Floyd is bigger then the History of the sport... Seriously????
im pretty sure floyd be subject to the same tests so this is no excuse
I agree with your sentiments and those of KS above. There is nothing ludicrous about wanting an opponent checked out thoroughly. This is a sport where brains get bashed about, it is far more serious than other sports. If a full check is wanted then it must be adhered to. If both men are doing it then neither is placed at a disadvantage.
I understand what you are saying Miles, but how can this be the first fight in the history of the sport to be subjected to this type of testing... Are we now saying the current drug screening is not suitable and we now have to take blood tests in the middle of your training and the night of the fight? If that is done for this fight, why not every single professional fight in the world??? Are they any less important???
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
You cannot be reasoned with.
We are going to be denied the defining fight of our generation because PAC won't take a drug test.
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Re: Latest Report, Pac-man Mayweather called off
I dont blame him and I think it will be worked out once Floyd sees that the drug tests that can be done will be sufficient to uncover any foul play.
They will agree on the times in which it can be taken.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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cnote111
So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
first of all how does floyd know that pac is even affected by a test... how do you ?
and it is his responsibility to prevent damage to himself and his career if he is fighting a 'potential' drugs cheat
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Re: Latest Report, Pac-man Mayweather called off
After a little research it sounds like Roaches red blood cell count argument has some merit. Take the blood before the the 8 weeks prior to the fight, then do the regular drug tests that have been sufficient for everyone else. This will be Floyds fault if this thing falls through. Or atleast it sounds like right now.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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cnote111
So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
...you mean as stupid as catchweights?
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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killersheep
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cnote111
So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
You cannot be reasoned with.
We are going to be denied the defining fight of our generation because PAC won't take a drug test.
By anyone not being convince on their position does not mean they can't be reasoned with.. There is a level of agreeing to disagree... I could say the same about anyone feeling this type of testing is acceptible, but yet it has never been done before...
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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cnote111
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killersheep
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
You cannot be reasoned with.
We are going to be denied the defining fight of our generation because PAC won't take a drug test.
By anyone not being convince on their position does not mean they can't be reasoned with.. There is a level of agreeing to disagree... I could say the same about anyone feeling this type of testing is acceptible, but yet it has never been done before...
it has just in the vast majority of other sports, this isnt revoloutionary, merely boxing is behind the times and needs to catch up
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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cnote111
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killersheep
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
You cannot be reasoned with.
We are going to be denied the defining fight of our generation because PAC won't take a drug test.
By anyone not being convince on their position does not mean they can't be reasoned with.. There is a level of agreeing to disagree... I could say the same about anyone feeling this type of testing is acceptible, but yet it has never been done before...
It's done in the Olympics. And it should be done for title fights as well.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
first of all how does floyd know that pac is even affected by a test... how do you ?
and it is his responsibility to prevent damage to himself and his career if he is fighting a 'potential' drugs cheat
I only know for myself, and i also trust PAC knows for himself...
If the tables were turned and PAC accused "Money" of being juiced and requested this type of testing, and then Floyed said No because he believes it would effect his performance. There would be Pac Fans saying he is scared and Floyd fans saying what i have been saying...
I just don't think any fighter has the right to control the drug screening process...
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Re: Latest Report, Pac-man Mayweather called off
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After a little research it sounds like Roaches red blood cell count argument has some merit. Take the blood before the the 8 weeks prior to the fight, then do the regular drug tests that have been sufficient for everyone else. This will be Floyds fault if this thing falls through. Or atleast it sounds like right now.
yea cause Roach (Pacquiao's Trainer) is gonna say otherwise...:rolleyes:
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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killersheep
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cnote111
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killersheep
You cannot be reasoned with.
We are going to be denied the defining fight of our generation because PAC won't take a drug test.
By anyone not being convince on their position does not mean they can't be reasoned with.. There is a level of agreeing to disagree... I could say the same about anyone feeling this type of testing is acceptible, but yet it has never been done before...
It's done in the Olympics. And it should be done for title fights as well.
I'm talking only about Boxing, nothing else...
How are Title fights any different then a regular professional fights??? DON"T SAY MONEY!
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Floyd Sr. Antics
Some questions need to be asked about this Situation with the 'Mega Fight:
Is Pacquiao's excuse of being squeamish a complete cover up?
Is it just a Floyd Sr fuelled attack at Freddie Roach?
is it actually a genuine concer? and is Pacquiao really on drugs?
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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cnote111
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
first of all how does floyd know that pac is even affected by a test... how do you ?
and it is his responsibility to prevent damage to himself and his career if he is fighting a 'potential' drugs cheat
I only know for myself, and i also trust PAC knows for himself...
If the tables were turned and PAC accused "Money" of being juiced and requested this type of testing, and then Floyed said No because he believes it would effect his performance. There would be Pac Fans saying he is scared and Floyd fans saying what i have been saying...
I just don't think any fighter has the right to control the drug screening process...
Absolutely disagree with this, if the tables were turned EVERYONE on this site would jump on Mayweather's case. There is not one person here that would defend Floyd avoiding a drug screen.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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cnote111
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killersheep
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
By anyone not being convince on their position does not mean they can't be reasoned with.. There is a level of agreeing to disagree... I could say the same about anyone feeling this type of testing is acceptible, but yet it has never been done before...
It's done in the Olympics. And it should be done for title fights as well.
I'm talking only about Boxing, nothing else...
How are Title fights any different then a regular professional fights??? DON"T SAY MONEY!
Title fights are the top of the sport, for athletes to have a clean Olympic drug screen to compete for title fights would be a welcome thing for me.
Is it that wrong of a thing to have a clean drug screen?
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
first of all how does floyd know that pac is even affected by a test... how do you ?
and it is his responsibility to prevent damage to himself and his career if he is fighting a 'potential' drugs cheat
I only know for myself, and i also trust PAC knows for himself...
If the tables were turned and PAC accused "Money" of being juiced and requested this type of testing, and then Floyed said No because he believes it would effect his performance. There would be Pac Fans saying he is scared and Floyd fans saying what i have been saying...
I just don't think any fighter has the right to control the drug screening process...
ye and they were fine with it untill now ... whats changed.. i would suspect alexi ariza may have suggested that taking the test may not be a great idea
8oz gloves had never been at 147 in nevada before july last year, now you wouldt do with out them for little pac... bringing this testing in isnt no worse than that
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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killersheep
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cnote111
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hitmanhatton
first of all how does floyd know that pac is even affected by a test... how do you ?
and it is his responsibility to prevent damage to himself and his career if he is fighting a 'potential' drugs cheat
I only know for myself, and i also trust PAC knows for himself...
If the tables were turned and PAC accused "Money" of being juiced and requested this type of testing, and then Floyed said No because he believes it would effect his performance. There would be Pac Fans saying he is scared and Floyd fans saying what i have been saying...
I just don't think any fighter has the right to control the drug screening process...
Absolutely disagree with this, if the tables were turned EVERYONE on this site would jump on Mayweather's case. There is not one person here that would defend Floyd avoiding a drug screen.
Floyd has a lot of critics, me included. The key here is that Floyd is not the one refusing, so there is no point reversing the argument. Floyd has allowed the fight to go ahead, it is Manny stalling on the isue of a few nicks of blood.
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I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it... :rolleyes:
It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.
You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
ye and 'boxing' hasnt decided floyd should be charged $10 mil per pound over the weight limit, pacquiao requested that, it works both ways
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
miles
Quote:
Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it... :rolleyes:
It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.
You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.
It may not be a big deal to some, but maybe it is to Manny... I have yet to hear Manny personally respond, so we will have to await his response...
However, I'm with you on the stringent testing - But do you honestly thing Floyd is trying to set a precedent in the sport of boxing? And why do people keep saying "Major" or "Title" fights only... If you were a professional fighter would you believe your safety was any less important then a guy fighting for a title.. I wouldn't!! I care to much about you Miles...haha
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
ye and 'boxing' hasnt decided floyd should be charged $10 mil per pound over the weight limit, pacquiao requested that, it works both ways
The agreed weight, gloves, ring, venue, etc etc are all about the logistics and contracts of the fight... Drug testing is about the rules of boxing and should be no different regardless of who is fighting...
EVERYONE IS EQUAL!
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
cnote111
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
ye and 'boxing' hasnt decided floyd should be charged $10 mil per pound over the weight limit, pacquiao requested that, it works both ways
The agreed weight, gloves, ring, venue, etc etc are all about the logistics and contracts of the fight... Drug testing is about the rules of boxing and should be no different regardless of who is fighting...
EVERYONE IS EQUAL!
that's why we have weight classes, and also the penalties for going over weight goes into the rules of boxing, "they should be no different regardless of who is fighting....EVERYONE IS EQUAL!!!"
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
miles
Quote:
Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it... :rolleyes:
It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.
You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.
It may not be a big deal to some, but maybe it is to Manny... I have yet to hear Manny personally respond, so we will have to await his response...
However, I'm with you on the stringent testing - But do you honestly thing Floyd is trying to set a precedent in the sport of boxing? And why do people keep saying "Major" or "Title" fights only... If you were a professional fighter would you believe your safety was any less important then a guy fighting for a title.. I wouldn't!! I care to much about you Miles...haha
No, my safety is just as important. So, perhaps we have too many loopholes in pro boxing. Maybe it needs an overhaul. Something always needs a precedent before things take over and become the new norm. Thanks for the concern BTW! ;D
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
If there is anyone here who TRUELY believes that Pac doesn't want to take a blood test because he's "superstitious" or would feel weak, than you are truely niave as hell.
Pac has something to hide, don't kid yourself. Pac is roiding.
