Should Manny Pac go ahead with the blood test?

Agree with what preme said earlier up on the thread

This entire argument is dumbfounded. If Manny has absoloutely nothing to hide he wont object to testing no more than floyd will object to having roach in his locker room when he is being laced up.

Yes blood samples so soon before a fight can be a negative influence for a fighter. But its the same for both of them and any aspects of this situation manny would lose out on floyd will the same.

Just strikes me as amazing that the biggest fight of the last 10 years can be put together and then completely thrown off course by something like this. Get it sorted guys!

Just respect both camp and fight. Damn I want this fight to happen. I don't care anymore about this drug thing. I'm not an expert. I hope the fight happens. If ever Pacquiao agree. I hope everyone is included to this Blood drug test.

I means EVERYONE. All the Boxer's, trainers, Cut man, etc. I mean ALL! All boxing event must subjected to Random blood drug test not just Manny Pacquiao. I hope Pacquiao agree and all must be subjected to blood test including the Mayweather's Sr, Roger, Cut man etc.

I bet Mayweather's Sr. and Roger is using drugs or something and must be subjected to be tested too.! ;D

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Just respect both camp and fight. Damn I want this fight to happen. I don't care anymore about this drug thing. I'm not an expert. I hope the fight happens. If ever Pacquiao agree. I hope everyone is included to this Blood drug test.

I means EVERYONE. All the Boxer's, trainers, Cut man, etc. I mean ALL! All boxing event must subjected to Random blood drug test not just Manny Pacquiao. I hope Pacquiao agree and all must be subjected to blood test including the Mayweather's Sr, Roger, Cut man etc.

I bet Mayweather's Sr. and Roger is using drugs or something and must be subjected to be tested too.! ;D

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Why should all of boxing be included in this? (not that I would be against it mind you) This is a private contract on the table to make this fight happen you don't need all of boxing to submit to the tests just Mayweather and Pacquiao. It's simple if Pacquiao submits to a legit drug screen the fight happens, this fight happening is all up to him now.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Just respect both camp and fight. Damn I want this fight to happen. I don't care anymore about this drug thing. I'm not an expert. I hope the fight happens. If ever Pacquiao agree. I hope everyone is included to this Blood drug test.

I means EVERYONE. All the Boxer's, trainers, Cut man, etc. I mean ALL! All boxing event must subjected to Random blood drug test not just Manny Pacquiao. I hope Pacquiao agree and all must be subjected to blood test including the Mayweather's Sr, Roger, Cut man etc.

I bet Mayweather's Sr. and Roger is using drugs or something and must be subjected to be tested too.! ;D

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Why should all of boxing be included in this? (not that I would be against it mind you) This is a private contract on the table to make this fight happen you don't need all of boxing to submit to the tests just Mayweather and Pacquiao. It's simple if Pacquiao submits to a legit drug screen the fight happens, this fight happening is all up to him now.

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This mean your leaning something. ;D

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Just respect both camp and fight. Damn I want this fight to happen. I don't care anymore about this drug thing. I'm not an expert. I hope the fight happens. If ever Pacquiao agree. I hope everyone is included to this Blood drug test.

I means EVERYONE. All the Boxer's, trainers, Cut man, etc. I mean ALL! All boxing event must subjected to Random blood drug test not just Manny Pacquiao. I hope Pacquiao agree and all must be subjected to blood test including the Mayweather's Sr, Roger, Cut man etc.

I bet Mayweather's Sr. and Roger is using drugs or something and must be subjected to be tested too.! ;D

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Why should all of boxing be included in this? (not that I would be against it mind you) This is a private contract on the table to make this fight happen you don't need all of boxing to submit to the tests just Mayweather and Pacquiao. It's simple if Pacquiao submits to a legit drug screen the fight happens, this fight happening is all up to him now.

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This mean your leaning something. ;D

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You're making less sense now, what are you talking about? My point has been the same this whole time

"This fight is not going to happen because PAC is refusing a drug test"
still a true statement.

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Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

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Because Pac (a fighter who has already been subject to steroid claims) has been asked to take the more conclusive tests, and is refusing. This fight is also at the pinnacle of their careers, money, everything. Don't say that people like Mosley just got away with juicing. His reputation will always be tarnished by it. Despite that he was only recorded to be on them for a couple fights.

If Pac refuses to be tested for this fight, potentially the largest money-maker in history, it's more than suspicious. He has already been the target of steroid allegations and he knows it. Even his team (including his loudmouth trainer) can't come up with anything better than "he doesn't like blood tests", "blood tests don't affect him well... mentally", "Floyd is just bullying"..... CMON take the stupid test and lets see a fair fight.

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That's the gripe I have, what exactly are the basis of these claims? The mutterings of an idiot in Floyd Senior and Malignaggis pseudo science on the radio(cause he talked to some meatheads in the gym), NOT a fucking shred of evidence/paper trail/dodgy connections to Balco. Defend Pac on this and you're labelled an apologist, yet u defend Mosley with this 'only for couple fights ' bollocks, how exactly does he get a free ride over the rest of his career when his steroid taking isn't in doubt?

Wether we like it or not our favourite sport has the same 'do what u like just don't get caught' attitude that American Football and baseball has, and like them it's likeley that a significant (majority even!)% of the elite are on something stronger than lucozade. Athletics has the most stringent tests in sport yet is still ripe with juicing, do you not think that in a sport where loading gloves and headbutting are used to gain an advantage that PED's aren't probably the norm?

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I know that's kind of funny. People tend to defend the fighters they like and try to castrate the fighters they don't like. Anyone brings up Mosley, Holyfield, Roy Jones, James Toney, juicing there are apologists about, "well it's just a few fights." bullshit. All of them deserves the same scrutiny and criticism imo.

Holyfield is my favorite HW of the modern era, but I have some serious misgivings about his victories over Tyson. And I'm not going to be an apologist about it. It makes me wonder if he fought Tyson fair and clean, in fact I've been wondering about it for years now, ever since the whole Evan Fields debacle came to light a few years back.

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Yes. He should take the test AFTER the fight and not before the fight.

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I'm sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The tests are taken to prevent a cheater from competing. If Pacquiao is taking any banned substances then he shouldn't even be allowed in a ring for a while, let alone that night.

Taking it after the fight serves no purpose as Mayweather would still have to be in the ring with a potentially juiced up opponent. You don't feel that's a dangerous thing to do?

I am not convinced about all this until I hear something from Pac regarding all this, probably just getting a big buzz regarding all this steroid shit. Hell I even saw on yahoo it was on the main page, boxing is never on the main front.

This controversy is getting drawn into mainstream media even more so and will obliterate previous records. Mark my words the fight will go on and with force.

The tattoo remarks is not the same either. I hate getting blood drawn but am loaded with tattoos. I am not to the point where I will pass out getting blood drawn or anything, but I'd rather get a tattoo any day over getting blood drawn or a vaccine. That being said Pac still has to buck up and take the damn tests or suffer the consequences of not. His career will be questioned forever and rightfully so.

After Pac pass the blood test. The Mayweathers will still not be satisfied. They're gonna demand for CSI/SOCO test style. I would'nt be surprise if team mayweather will ask for Pac's hair folicle... or cum test for extensive search of drug in his system.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

After Pac pass the blood test. The Mayweathers will still not be satisfied. They're gonna demand for CSI/SOCO test style. I would'nt be surprise if team mayweather will ask for Pac's hair folicle... or cum test for extensive search of drug in his system.

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Don't be silly. This is as far as it will go, and you can't really question the validity of a blood test considering the ineffectiveness of only using urine samples. It will be good for the sport to have more rigorous testing. If there are ways of removing all doubt in boxing, then that is the way to go.

Maybe the Pac camp will reconsider when they come to realise that the boxing world now expects him to go ahead with the test. It will also be difficult for him to find a credible opponent without the testing now as others are likely to request the same thing from him. Better to just get it done now because this has blown into something that it really didn't need to.

why only manny? why this fight only?

DISCRIMINATION!!!

Manny is willing to take the blood test before and after the fight.FACT. I've heard him say it in public/national television.


End of story for Mayweather.

I just hope that Team Pacquiao will back out from this fight to shut Mayweather's big mouth.


I say to Pac:

Take the random drug tests as suggested by Gayweather ( I know Pac will do it) and fight at light middle for another belt. Do the fight after the May elections if Gayweather doesn't sign the contract before the second week of January.

Pac, you don't need Gayweather. Cancel this fight if you must and never bother about Gayweather.Your place in boxing history is already secured.

It's clear that gayweather is dilly-dallying to avoid a fight with you.

Gayweather avoided a fight with Cotto and Margarito coz he knew they were big punchers. He must have been pissing his pants every night knowing that he can't back out from you after you demolished Cotto. His only way to avoid this fight if to make a controversy and divert the blame on you.

I say, FORGET about the GAyweather fight especially now that you will be busy in the coming elections.:cool:

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Originally Posted by pacQ

why only manny? why this fight only?

DISCRIMINATION!!!

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It isn't only Manny, it is Floyd as well. Discrimination would be one fighter having to jump through hoops and the other not having to. This discussion has raised a lot of interesting questions. Perhaps it shouldn't only be for this fight and should be something fighters and promoters consider more when drawing up contracts. Drug testing in boxing obviously needs to be revised as it is currently very limited and does potentially allow drug users to pass undetected.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Manny is willing to take the blood test before and after the fight.FACT. I've heard him say it in public/national television.


End of story for Mayweather.

I just hope that Team Pacquiao will back out from this fight to shut Mayweather's big mouth.


I say to Pac:

Take the random drug tests as suggested by Gayweather ( I know Pac will do it) and fight at light middle for another belt. Do the fight after the May elections if Gayweather doesn't sign the contract before the second week of January.

Pac, you don't need Gayweather. Cancel this fight if you must and never bother about Gayweather.Your place in boxing history is already secured.

It's clear that gayweather is dilly-dallying to avoid a fight with you.

Gayweather avoided a fight with Cotto and Margarito coz he knew they were big punchers. He must have been pissing his pants every night knowing that he can't back out from you after you demolished Cotto. His only way to avoid this fight if to make a controversy and divert the blame on you.

I say, FORGET about the GAyweather fight especially now that you will be busy in the coming elections.:cool:

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I'm sorry to say this but Pacman is backed into a corner now, he has to take the fight and the random blood test, because his victories against high profile names like Barrera, Marquez, Morales, De La Hoya, Cotto are now being in question. His career is now being in question.

Most people even the ones that dislikes him are in favor of Floyd now on this issue. From what I heard it's the equivalent of a pin prick. That's not like giving a pint of blood.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Manny is willing to take the blood test before and after the fight.FACT. I've heard him say it in public/national television.


End of story for Mayweather.

I just hope that Team Pacquiao will back out from this fight to shut Mayweather's big mouth.


I say to Pac:

Take the random drug tests as suggested by Gayweather ( I know Pac will do it) and fight at light middle for another belt. Do the fight after the May elections if Gayweather doesn't sign the contract before the second week of January.

Pac, you don't need Gayweather. Cancel this fight if you must and never bother about Gayweather.Your place in boxing history is already secured.

It's clear that gayweather is dilly-dallying to avoid a fight with you.

Gayweather avoided a fight with Cotto and Margarito coz he knew they were big punchers. He must have been pissing his pants every night knowing that he can't back out from you after you demolished Cotto. His only way to avoid this fight if to make a controversy and divert the blame on you.

I say, FORGET about the GAyweather fight especially now that you will be busy in the coming elections.:cool:

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I'm sorry to say this but Pacman is backed into a corner now, he has to take the fight and the random blood test, because his victories against high profile names like Barrera, Marquez, Morales, De La Hoya, Cotto are now being in question. His career is now being in question.

Most people even the ones that dislikes him are in favor of Floyd now on this issue. From what I heard it's the equivalent of a pin prick. That's not like giving a pint of blood.

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And I already heard Pac agreeing to a drug test before and after the fight. So what excuses will Gayweather make now?

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Manny is willing to take the blood test before and after the fight.FACT. I've heard him say it in public/national television.


End of story for Mayweather.

I just hope that Team Pacquiao will back out from this fight to shut Mayweather's big mouth.


I say to Pac:

Take the random drug tests as suggested by Gayweather ( I know Pac will do it) and fight at light middle for another belt. Do the fight after the May elections if Gayweather doesn't sign the contract before the second week of January.

Pac, you don't need Gayweather. Cancel this fight if you must and never bother about Gayweather.Your place in boxing history is already secured.

It's clear that gayweather is dilly-dallying to avoid a fight with you.

Gayweather avoided a fight with Cotto and Margarito coz he knew they were big punchers. He must have been pissing his pants every night knowing that he can't back out from you after you demolished Cotto. His only way to avoid this fight if to make a controversy and divert the blame on you.

I say, FORGET about the GAyweather fight especially now that you will be busy in the coming elections.:cool:

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The flaws in offering a blood test before and after the fight have already been pointed out by others in this thread. The test will need to be random as these drugs work on calendar cycles that a team can manipulate if they have prior knowldge of when and where the test will take place. A random test means that a fighter must be clean or else there is always the chance that if he is using, then he will be caught. Now, I'm not saying that Pac is guilty, but he is making himself look very suspicious. Bruce, do you not think that full and comprehensive random checking is a good thing for the sport? Isn't it a good idea to know for certain that top level fighters are clean? This is boxing, it isn't ballet. Boxing carries health risks and the risks need to be kept to a minimum. On this basis alone, surely you can see the merits in drug testing?

The argument that Pac should simply not fight Mayweather in order to shut Mayweathers mouth is a weak one. Most people seem to agree that Mayweathers proposal is a good idea. Why not just do what most people think he should do? Both fighters get their dream purse and the fans get a potential FOTY. It's good for everyone to have this done and if Pac is clean then it really shouldn't be a problem. I agree that Mayweather could have fought Cotto and Margarito, but there is only one man backing out of this fight.

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I really believe the fight will happen.

I haven't read all of this (thankfully) but some of its silly, Manny fans (and I definitely consider myself one) acting like taking a drug test before and after the fight at set times is the same as random blood tests is incredibly silly. Its not, stop it. Its embarrassing.

If Manny pulls out of this cause he won't agree to random drug tests then it would be a stain on his career and his legacy, period.

But like I always say during the pre-fight negotiations (although granted this is a different case than most) just wait and see what happens. He may well agree to it yet.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Manny is willing to take the blood test before and after the fight.FACT. I've heard him say it in public/national television.


End of story for Mayweather.

I just hope that Team Pacquiao will back out from this fight to shut Mayweather's big mouth.


I say to Pac:

Take the random drug tests as suggested by Gayweather ( I know Pac will do it) and fight at light middle for another belt. Do the fight after the May elections if Gayweather doesn't sign the contract before the second week of January.

Pac, you don't need Gayweather. Cancel this fight if you must and never bother about Gayweather.Your place in boxing history is already secured.

It's clear that gayweather is dilly-dallying to avoid a fight with you.

Gayweather avoided a fight with Cotto and Margarito coz he knew they were big punchers. He must have been pissing his pants every night knowing that he can't back out from you after you demolished Cotto. His only way to avoid this fight if to make a controversy and divert the blame on you.

I say, FORGET about the GAyweather fight especially now that you will be busy in the coming elections.:cool:

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The flaws in offering a blood test before and after the fight have already been pointed out by others in this thread. The test will need to be random as these drugs work on calendar cycles that a team can manipulate if they have prior knowldge of when and where the test will take place. A random test means that a fighter must be clean or else there is always the chance that if he is using, then he will be caught. Now, I'm not saying that Pac is guilty, but he is making himself look very suspicious. Bruce, do you not think that full and comprehensive random checking is a good thing for the sport? Isn't it a good idea to know for certain that top level fighters are clean? This is boxing, it isn't ballet. Boxing carries health risks and the risks need to be kept to a minimum. On this basis alone, surely you can see the merits in drug testing?

The argument that Pac should simply not fight Mayweather in order to shut Mayweathers mouth is a weak one. Most people seem to agree that Mayweathers proposal is a good idea. Why not just do what most people think he should do? Both fighters get their dream purse and the fans get a potential FOTY. It's good for everyone to have this done and if Pac is clean then it really shouldn't be a problem. I agree that Mayweather could have fought Cotto and Margarito, but there is only one man backing out of this fight.

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First of all merry Christmas miles. I was having my christmas break and was shocked that people here are already talking of Pac being guilty of using steroids.

Second, have you heard of any professional boxer having random drug tests before their fights? Tell me if you have heard of one.

What if the random drug test is done 3 or 2 days before the fight?

Don't you think it will not affect the performance of a fighter?

I personally know pacquaio to be very superstitious and psychologically, he's easily affected with things/events around him. He always makes the sign of the cross when fighting and he would usually kneel down in prayer before he fights and I know it's because of his beliefs/superstitions.

Anyway, it's a LAME excuse but his superstitions and beliefs have made him win fights. Other boxers like Marquez are also superstitious , ( he drinks his pee)and I can't blame him for that. If it makes them feel strong then they can do whatever superstitions they want.

I agree though that Pacquaio should do the random drug test but it should be at least 15 days before the fight. That way, he could still recover from whatever effect the drug test will do to him. Besides, he will be tested after the fight so what's the problem with that?

I am of the strong belief though that Mayweather is trying to avoid Pac now just like when he avoided Cotto and Margarito and make silly excuses.

Trust my word on this Miles. Mayweather doesn't want to fight Pac. HE WILL AVOID BIG PUNCHERS LIKE COTTO, MARGARITO AND PAC.

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I haven't read all of this (thankfully) but some of its silly, Manny fans (and I definitely consider myself one) acting like taking a drug test before and after the fight at set times is the same as random blood tests is incredibly silly. Its not, stop it. Its embarrassing.

If Manny pulls out of this cause he won't agree to random drug tests then it would be a stain on his career and his legacy, period.

But like I always say during the pre-fight negotiations (although granted this is a different case than most) just wait and see what happens. He may well agree to it yet.

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I know Pac will ultimately agree to it but he may not fight Gayweather anymore.

Well that would really make him look bad :-\

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I haven't read all of this (thankfully) but some of its silly, Manny fans (and I definitely consider myself one) acting like taking a drug test before and after the fight at set times is the same as random blood tests is incredibly silly. Its not, stop it. Its embarrassing.

If Manny pulls out of this cause he won't agree to random drug tests then it would be a stain on his career and his legacy, period.

But like I always say during the pre-fight negotiations (although granted this is a different case than most) just wait and see what happens. He may well agree to it yet.

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I know Pac will ultimately agree to it but he may not fight Gayweather anymore.

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regardless people are going to be asking him to do these tests now if he doesn't fight floyd. there is a huge cloud of suspicion and it is rightfully so.

It is funny to see the nut huggers in the thread weeded out from the normal pac fans, this thread is exposing them fairly easily

Pac needs to do the damn tests, shut everyone up end of story. superstitions or not, there is millions up millions of reasons for him to grow up and take the damn test. These posts are starting to get a bit repetitious so I think I am done with them till Pac actually makes a statement.

The blood test is really a relatively painless procedure and the amount of blood taken is very miniscule. Pac will not be drained from having a few tests here and there whilst in camp. Mayweather will have exactly the same tests too, so it's not as if one is gaining massive advantages.

It isn't that big a deal especially if you have nothing to hide. He should just get on with it.

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Originally Posted by miles

The blood test is really a relatively painless procedure and the amount of blood taken is very miniscule. Pac will not be drained from having a few tests here and there whilst in camp. Mayweather will have exactly the same tests too, so it's not as if one is gaining massive advantages.

It isn't that big a deal especially if you have nothing to hide. He should just get on with it.

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I'm sure Pac will agree to it.

Gayweather wants a FAIR fight? Then Team pacquaio should asks for these among other things:

1.Gayweather should be ready with a $15 million penalty for every excess pound.

2. Pac should also stipulate that at fight night, Gayweather should not exceed 155 lbs.

That should make things equal and fair. :cool:


I will be laughing when Gayweather finds out these stipulations in the contract.;D

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The blood test is really a relatively painless procedure and the amount of blood taken is very miniscule. Pac will not be drained from having a few tests here and there whilst in camp. Mayweather will have exactly the same tests too, so it's not as if one is gaining massive advantages.

It isn't that big a deal especially if you have nothing to hide. He should just get on with it.

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I'm sure Pac will agree to it.

Gayweather wants a FAIR fight? Then Team pacquaio should asks for these among other things:

1.Gayweather should be ready with a $15 million penalty for every excess pound.

2. Pac should also stipulate that at fight night, Gayweather should not exceed 155 lbs.

That should make things equal and fair. :cool:


I will be laughing when Gayweather finds out these stipulations in the contract.;D

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Mayweather already agreed to Pacquiao's ridiculous $10 million per pound penalty, seems that Pacquiao likes making ridiculous demands and then is offended when their brought back full circle, fuck Mayweather should demand that Roach can't drink his Parkinsons meds for the fight :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by miles

The blood test is really a relatively painless procedure and the amount of blood taken is very miniscule. Pac will not be drained from having a few tests here and there whilst in camp. Mayweather will have exactly the same tests too, so it's not as if one is gaining massive advantages.

It isn't that big a deal especially if you have nothing to hide. He should just get on with it.

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I'm sure Pac will agree to it.

Gayweather wants a FAIR fight? Then Team pacquaio should asks for these among other things:

1.Gayweather should be ready with a $15 million penalty for every excess pound.

2. Pac should also stipulate that at fight night, Gayweather should not exceed 155 lbs.

That should make things equal and fair. :cool:


I will be laughing when Gayweather finds out these stipulations in the contract.;D

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Mayweather already agreed to Pacquiao's ridiculous $10 million per pound penalty, seems that Pacquiao likes making ridiculous demands and then is offended when their brought back full circle, fuck Mayweather should demand that Roach can't drink his Parkinsons meds for the fight :rolleyes:

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Mayweather didn't fight fair against Marquez. I think the $10 million penalty is very appropriate for the $100 million "fight of the century".