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Originally Posted by killersheep
Yeah, I wonder why he's even fighting really, he's a decent commentator, but he looks like he's gonna have a heart attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by J da BombaArgh FUCK!!! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
9 rounds missed already!!!! Damn Tarver looks kinda chunky :-\
(Sorry, bad joke) No seriously, I often wonder how genuine a fighter is when they immediately complain of pain after a fight. If he didn't hurt his arm then that means he cant keep a journeyman off him for 10 rounds, which is bad news.
Although, I only saw the last round so I'm probably way off....
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Originally Posted by killersheepYeah, I wonder why he's even fighting really, he's a decent commentator, but he looks like he's gonna have a heart attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by J da BombaArgh FUCK!!! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
9 rounds missed already!!!! Damn Tarver looks kinda chunky :-\
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For those of you that were wondering the Sounders are up 2-0 over Chivas, almost full time
Recap: Tarver won 8 rounds to 2 on every scorecard, and was just landing at will. He Probably wont be stopping any heavys, but he did kinda buckle Aguilera a bit. I think it was more of just how clean they were landing rather than any power. He had a injured left shoulder after the 3rd round, and the 10th round was his worst round by far.
Also if you cut off the head and stick James Toney's on top, then that's how Toney should have looked in every fight since Holyfield. It's not ideal, but just enough to handle the weight and not be wobbling around and overbalancing all the time.
Shame on you, James Toney. You lazy fat bastard! I just had to say that. :mad:
Lol jeez people all wound up, I thought what Bilbo said was pretty funny. I mean it's fair criticism, Bute looked decent against a guy he was clearly better then and carried the guy, lost 3 rounds by my count :o
Who do people think Bute beats in this division? I'm sorry but the thing I can not stand the most about a fighter with all that talent is one who just gives away rounds. It's pretty inexcusable. Give me a fighter who works to win every round.
Pascal-Bute is the fight to make right now imo. Bute would be a huge underdog against Ward in my eyes and I couldn't see him coming out of that. I know Bute is infinitely more skilled and less crude then Froch but *gulp*, Froch would have made a real close fight out of the Bute that was in the ring tonight. I'm reading write ups now calling Bute 'impressive' and no way he was impressive! I mean if you can land that cleanly on a guy seemingly at will then you shouldn't be fighting lackadaisically like Bute was. Lame.
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Originally Posted by J da Bomba
Bute is good but sooner or later fighting these type of opponents will diminish his skills, he'll get used to coasting and getting away with shit that he wouldn't be able to get away with if he had ss6 fighter there. Plus he keeps the left awfully low for some reason, I still think he's tied for best smw and it be a real close fight between him and ward.
I'm not so hot on Bute but you have to understand that some guys just can't help but fight to the level of their opposition :-\
This. Bilbo wasn't really wrong with what he was saying. Brinkley is a horrible opponent for a guy of Bute's standard. He'd be maybe acceptable if Bute was moving up trying a new division. I give him respect for the Berrio, Andrade & Miranda fights, but he looks like he wants no part of Pascal claiming 175 is too big for him (even if he appears to be naturally bigger than Pascal).Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bute is claimed to be the top guy at 168. In what other divisions could the top man in the weightclass get away with fighting a man who is a top-end club fighter. Bute deserves the same crap that David Haye gets because it's a similar level of opposition in my eyes. Maybe dare I say it worse.
Bute never said Jean PAscal was too big for him, everybody in Quebec wants that fight to happen including JEan Pascal and Bute. The thing is that the day he moves up, there is no way he's getting down, that'S what Stephane Larouche and Jean Bedard said a few weeks ago. They want to make him a few fights at 168 and then move up and the way it looks, Pavilk is next on the map and then there will be a few guys from the tournament free, probably Froch if he doesn't knock out Abraham, Kessler should be back healthy and probably Dirrell too, these are all very possible options the tournament is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThis. Bilbo wasn't really wrong with what he was saying. Brinkley is a horrible opponent for a guy of Bute's standard. He'd be maybe acceptable if Bute was moving up trying a new division. I give him respect for the Berrio, Andrade & Miranda fights, but he looks like he wants no part of Pascal claiming 175 is too big for him (even if he appears to be naturally bigger than Pascal).Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bute is claimed to be the top guy at 168. In what other divisions could the top man in the weightclass get away with fighting a man who is a top-end club fighter. Bute deserves the same crap that David Haye gets because it's a similar level of opposition in my eyes. Maybe dare I say it worse.
Also, they didn't want to fight Brinkley but he was the mandatory (stupid alphabet ranking) and Bute had to fight him, now he's mandatory free for 12 months, which gives him enough time to have at least 2 interesting fights in the meantime.
I think Bute gives anyone near his weight a decent fight.
Who should Bute fight out of the people that are available? Pascal isn't available at least until the end of 2011. Kessler isn't available. Froch, Ward, and Abraham aren't available. The only fight that is available is Pavlik and that would have already happened if Pavlik hadn't lost to Sergio Martinez. As of now, it should happen in 2011 assuming Pavlik wins in his next fight.
At least Bute knocks out the people he is supposed to knock out as he waits for a good fight. You don't have to watch him go twelve rounds with Edison Miranda like Andre Ward because he takes him out with a body shot in the 5th. I like that he ends these stay busy fights with vicious body shots. That's three fights in a row - Andrade, Miranda, and now Brinkley, where he ended the fight with a body shot.
You make a good point about satisfying his mandatory. Now he should take advantage of the free time and step up the competition. Unlike these Brits, I'm a big fan of Bute, but he has shown us time and time again that he wipes the floor with the B-level competition (Bika, Andrade, Miranda, Berrio, Brinkley). Let's see him beat someone on the A- level at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBute never said Jean PAscal was too big for him, everybody in Quebec wants that fight to happen including JEan Pascal and Bute. The thing is that the day he moves up, there is no way he's getting down, that'S what Stephane Larouche and Jean Bedard said a few weeks ago. They want to make him a few fights at 168 and then move up and the way it looks, Pavilk is next on the map and then there will be a few guys from the tournament free, probably Froch if he doesn't knock out Abraham, Kessler should be back healthy and probably Dirrell too, these are all very possible options the tournament is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThis. Bilbo wasn't really wrong with what he was saying. Brinkley is a horrible opponent for a guy of Bute's standard. He'd be maybe acceptable if Bute was moving up trying a new division. I give him respect for the Berrio, Andrade & Miranda fights, but he looks like he wants no part of Pascal claiming 175 is too big for him (even if he appears to be naturally bigger than Pascal).Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bute is claimed to be the top guy at 168. In what other divisions could the top man in the weightclass get away with fighting a man who is a top-end club fighter. Bute deserves the same crap that David Haye gets because it's a similar level of opposition in my eyes. Maybe dare I say it worse.
Also, they didn't want to fight Brinkley but he was the mandatory (stupid alphabet ranking) and Bute had to fight him, now he's mandatory free for 12 months, which gives him enough time to have at least 2 interesting fights in the meantime.
Pavlik will be his next fight unless Pavlik wants to remain at 160 and take on the winner of the Martinez/Williams fight. And if I were Pavlik, I'd prefer that match-up than one with Bute.
You continue to say Froch is an option. However, that is wrong. Because Dirrell is out and the Ward/Bika fight is not part of the tournament, Froch, Abraham, and Ward are continuing on with the tournament regardless of what happens in the Johnson/Green fight.
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The problem I see is what does Bute do if Pavlik wants to remain at 160. Stieglitz won't fight Bute. I highly doubt Calzaghe opts out of retirement to fight Bute. The guys in the Super Six are locked up. Kessler is at the very least out until the end of 2011 or 2012. On a side note, I think Kessler is done from boxing and will retire. Dirrell is out indefinitely and until we know more, he isn't an option.
Let's have a chat about this. Haters and fans. Who should Bute fight?
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Originally Posted by RantcatratYou make a good point about satisfying his mandatory. Now he should take advantage of the free time and step up the competition. Unlike these Brits, I'm a big fan of Bute, but he has shown us time and time again that he wipes the floor with the B-level competition (Bika, Andrade, Miranda, Berrio, Brinkley). Let's see him beat someone on the A- level at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBute never said Jean PAscal was too big for him, everybody in Quebec wants that fight to happen including JEan Pascal and Bute. The thing is that the day he moves up, there is no way he's getting down, that'S what Stephane Larouche and Jean Bedard said a few weeks ago. They want to make him a few fights at 168 and then move up and the way it looks, Pavilk is next on the map and then there will be a few guys from the tournament free, probably Froch if he doesn't knock out Abraham, Kessler should be back healthy and probably Dirrell too, these are all very possible options the tournament is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThis. Bilbo wasn't really wrong with what he was saying. Brinkley is a horrible opponent for a guy of Bute's standard. He'd be maybe acceptable if Bute was moving up trying a new division. I give him respect for the Berrio, Andrade & Miranda fights, but he looks like he wants no part of Pascal claiming 175 is too big for him (even if he appears to be naturally bigger than Pascal).Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bute is claimed to be the top guy at 168. In what other divisions could the top man in the weightclass get away with fighting a man who is a top-end club fighter. Bute deserves the same crap that David Haye gets because it's a similar level of opposition in my eyes. Maybe dare I say it worse.
Also, they didn't want to fight Brinkley but he was the mandatory (stupid alphabet ranking) and Bute had to fight him, now he's mandatory free for 12 months, which gives him enough time to have at least 2 interesting fights in the meantime.
Pavlik will be his next fight unless Pavlik wants to remain at 160 and take on the winner of the Martinez/Williams fight. And if I were Pavlik, I'd prefer that match-up than one with Bute.
You continue to say Froch is an option. However, that is wrong. Because Dirrell is out and the Ward/Bika fight is not part of the tournament, Froch, Abraham, and Ward are continuing on with the tournament regardless of what happens in the Johnson/Green fight.
The problem I see is what does Bute do if Pavlik wants to remain at 160. Stieglitz won't fight Bute. I highly doubt Calzaghe opts out of retirement to fight Bute. The guys in the Super Six are locked up. Kessler is at the very least out until the end of 2011 or 2012. On a side note, I think Kessler is done from boxing and will retire. Dirrell is out indefinitely and until we know more, he isn't an option.
Let's have a chat about this. Haters and fans. Who should Bute fight?
I don't disagree with most of youre points but don't say the " Brits " very unfair that, also calling Brinkley B rate ;D. I would put him more closer to D/E rate.
Skel, prove me wrong. Is there one British fan of Bute on this board? It seems to me that Brits are very sensitive about the super middleweight division.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYou make a good point about satisfying his mandatory. Now he should take advantage of the free time and step up the competition. Unlike these Brits, I'm a big fan of Bute, but he has shown us time and time again that he wipes the floor with the B-level competition (Bika, Andrade, Miranda, Berrio, Brinkley). Let's see him beat someone on the A- level at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBute never said Jean PAscal was too big for him, everybody in Quebec wants that fight to happen including JEan Pascal and Bute. The thing is that the day he moves up, there is no way he's getting down, that'S what Stephane Larouche and Jean Bedard said a few weeks ago. They want to make him a few fights at 168 and then move up and the way it looks, Pavilk is next on the map and then there will be a few guys from the tournament free, probably Froch if he doesn't knock out Abraham, Kessler should be back healthy and probably Dirrell too, these are all very possible options the tournament is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThis. Bilbo wasn't really wrong with what he was saying. Brinkley is a horrible opponent for a guy of Bute's standard. He'd be maybe acceptable if Bute was moving up trying a new division. I give him respect for the Berrio, Andrade & Miranda fights, but he looks like he wants no part of Pascal claiming 175 is too big for him (even if he appears to be naturally bigger than Pascal).Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bute is claimed to be the top guy at 168. In what other divisions could the top man in the weightclass get away with fighting a man who is a top-end club fighter. Bute deserves the same crap that David Haye gets because it's a similar level of opposition in my eyes. Maybe dare I say it worse.
Also, they didn't want to fight Brinkley but he was the mandatory (stupid alphabet ranking) and Bute had to fight him, now he's mandatory free for 12 months, which gives him enough time to have at least 2 interesting fights in the meantime.
Pavlik will be his next fight unless Pavlik wants to remain at 160 and take on the winner of the Martinez/Williams fight. And if I were Pavlik, I'd prefer that match-up than one with Bute.
You continue to say Froch is an option. However, that is wrong. Because Dirrell is out and the Ward/Bika fight is not part of the tournament, Froch, Abraham, and Ward are continuing on with the tournament regardless of what happens in the Johnson/Green fight.
The problem I see is what does Bute do if Pavlik wants to remain at 160. Stieglitz won't fight Bute. I highly doubt Calzaghe opts out of retirement to fight Bute. The guys in the Super Six are locked up. Kessler is at the very least out until the end of 2011 or 2012. On a side note, I think Kessler is done from boxing and will retire. Dirrell is out indefinitely and until we know more, he isn't an option.
Let's have a chat about this. Haters and fans. Who should Bute fight?
I don't disagree with most of youre points but don't say the " Brits " very unfair that, also calling Brinkley B rate ;D. I would put him more closer to D/E rate.
Brinkley beat Curtis Stevens to get the Bute fight and Curtis Stevens was arugably Dirrell's best win going into the Super Six. I'll agree though that he is more of a C level fighter.
But, Skel, help me out. As a Bute hater, who would you rather see him fight? It's one thing to lament his lack of opponents, but if literally there isn't anyone else out there, you can't really put Bute down for fighting who he is fighting. At least he is winning in dominant fashion. Maybe you would feel better about it if he wasn't ranked so high?
I don't mind him... Does that count :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratSkel, prove me wrong. Is there one British fan of Bute on this board? It seems to me that Brits are very sensitive about the super middleweight division.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYou make a good point about satisfying his mandatory. Now he should take advantage of the free time and step up the competition. Unlike these Brits, I'm a big fan of Bute, but he has shown us time and time again that he wipes the floor with the B-level competition (Bika, Andrade, Miranda, Berrio, Brinkley). Let's see him beat someone on the A- level at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBute never said Jean PAscal was too big for him, everybody in Quebec wants that fight to happen including JEan Pascal and Bute. The thing is that the day he moves up, there is no way he's getting down, that'S what Stephane Larouche and Jean Bedard said a few weeks ago. They want to make him a few fights at 168 and then move up and the way it looks, Pavilk is next on the map and then there will be a few guys from the tournament free, probably Froch if he doesn't knock out Abraham, Kessler should be back healthy and probably Dirrell too, these are all very possible options the tournament is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThis. Bilbo wasn't really wrong with what he was saying. Brinkley is a horrible opponent for a guy of Bute's standard. He'd be maybe acceptable if Bute was moving up trying a new division. I give him respect for the Berrio, Andrade & Miranda fights, but he looks like he wants no part of Pascal claiming 175 is too big for him (even if he appears to be naturally bigger than Pascal).Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bute is claimed to be the top guy at 168. In what other divisions could the top man in the weightclass get away with fighting a man who is a top-end club fighter. Bute deserves the same crap that David Haye gets because it's a similar level of opposition in my eyes. Maybe dare I say it worse.
Also, they didn't want to fight Brinkley but he was the mandatory (stupid alphabet ranking) and Bute had to fight him, now he's mandatory free for 12 months, which gives him enough time to have at least 2 interesting fights in the meantime.
Pavlik will be his next fight unless Pavlik wants to remain at 160 and take on the winner of the Martinez/Williams fight. And if I were Pavlik, I'd prefer that match-up than one with Bute.
You continue to say Froch is an option. However, that is wrong. Because Dirrell is out and the Ward/Bika fight is not part of the tournament, Froch, Abraham, and Ward are continuing on with the tournament regardless of what happens in the Johnson/Green fight.
The problem I see is what does Bute do if Pavlik wants to remain at 160. Stieglitz won't fight Bute. I highly doubt Calzaghe opts out of retirement to fight Bute. The guys in the Super Six are locked up. Kessler is at the very least out until the end of 2011 or 2012. On a side note, I think Kessler is done from boxing and will retire. Dirrell is out indefinitely and until we know more, he isn't an option.
Let's have a chat about this. Haters and fans. Who should Bute fight?
I don't disagree with most of youre points but don't say the " Brits " very unfair that, also calling Brinkley B rate ;D. I would put him more closer to D/E rate.
Brinkley beat Curtis Stevens to get the Bute fight and Curtis Stevens was arugably Dirrell's best win going into the Super Six. I'll agree though that he is more of a C level fighter.
But, Skel, help me out. As a Bute hater, who would you rather see him fight? It's one thing to lament his lack of opponents, but if literally there isn't anyone else out there, you can't really put Bute down for fighting who he is fighting. At least he is winning in dominant fashion. Maybe you would feel better about it if he wasn't ranked so high?
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Originally Posted by RantcatratSkel, prove me wrong. Is there one British fan of Bute on this board? It seems to me that Brits are very sensitive about the super middleweight division.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYou make a good point about satisfying his mandatory. Now he should take advantage of the free time and step up the competition. Unlike these Brits, I'm a big fan of Bute, but he has shown us time and time again that he wipes the floor with the B-level competition (Bika, Andrade, Miranda, Berrio, Brinkley). Let's see him beat someone on the A- level at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBute never said Jean PAscal was too big for him, everybody in Quebec wants that fight to happen including JEan Pascal and Bute. The thing is that the day he moves up, there is no way he's getting down, that'S what Stephane Larouche and Jean Bedard said a few weeks ago. They want to make him a few fights at 168 and then move up and the way it looks, Pavilk is next on the map and then there will be a few guys from the tournament free, probably Froch if he doesn't knock out Abraham, Kessler should be back healthy and probably Dirrell too, these are all very possible options the tournament is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThis. Bilbo wasn't really wrong with what he was saying. Brinkley is a horrible opponent for a guy of Bute's standard. He'd be maybe acceptable if Bute was moving up trying a new division. I give him respect for the Berrio, Andrade & Miranda fights, but he looks like he wants no part of Pascal claiming 175 is too big for him (even if he appears to be naturally bigger than Pascal).Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bute is claimed to be the top guy at 168. In what other divisions could the top man in the weightclass get away with fighting a man who is a top-end club fighter. Bute deserves the same crap that David Haye gets because it's a similar level of opposition in my eyes. Maybe dare I say it worse.
Also, they didn't want to fight Brinkley but he was the mandatory (stupid alphabet ranking) and Bute had to fight him, now he's mandatory free for 12 months, which gives him enough time to have at least 2 interesting fights in the meantime.
Pavlik will be his next fight unless Pavlik wants to remain at 160 and take on the winner of the Martinez/Williams fight. And if I were Pavlik, I'd prefer that match-up than one with Bute.
You continue to say Froch is an option. However, that is wrong. Because Dirrell is out and the Ward/Bika fight is not part of the tournament, Froch, Abraham, and Ward are continuing on with the tournament regardless of what happens in the Johnson/Green fight.
The problem I see is what does Bute do if Pavlik wants to remain at 160. Stieglitz won't fight Bute. I highly doubt Calzaghe opts out of retirement to fight Bute. The guys in the Super Six are locked up. Kessler is at the very least out until the end of 2011 or 2012. On a side note, I think Kessler is done from boxing and will retire. Dirrell is out indefinitely and until we know more, he isn't an option.
Let's have a chat about this. Haters and fans. Who should Bute fight?
I don't disagree with most of youre points but don't say the " Brits " very unfair that, also calling Brinkley B rate ;D. I would put him more closer to D/E rate.
Brinkley beat Curtis Stevens to get the Bute fight and Curtis Stevens was arugably Dirrell's best win going into the Super Six. I'll agree though that he is more of a C level fighter.
But, Skel, help me out. As a Bute hater, who would you rather see him fight? It's one thing to lament his lack of opponents, but if literally there isn't anyone else out there, you can't really put Bute down for fighting who he is fighting. At least he is winning in dominant fashion. Maybe you would feel better about it if he wasn't ranked so high?
wtf?
Mate you seriously need to knock that on the head the problem is you seem to get your knickers in a twist anytime anyone disagress with Bute. As I have stated in other recent threads Bue is in a situation where he has not got any legit comp at the moment, but my problem is how the hell anyone can have this guy at number 1 in the division is beyond me, that is my only problem. He is a good fighter the super six going on is a valid excuse to not having a world class opponent available but we also have had about a dozen excuses why he hasn't fought fighter a b and c for the couple oy years before the Super Six.
If and when he steps up I will be happy to see it I rate his skills but beating the likes of Brinkley who got beat by 37 year old Robin Reid who had been out of the ring for the best part of two years is not going to get the pulses rating.
Fair enough. Sorry if I called you a Bute hater when you're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratSkel, prove me wrong. Is there one British fan of Bute on this board? It seems to me that Brits are very sensitive about the super middleweight division.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYou make a good point about satisfying his mandatory. Now he should take advantage of the free time and step up the competition. Unlike these Brits, I'm a big fan of Bute, but he has shown us time and time again that he wipes the floor with the B-level competition (Bika, Andrade, Miranda, Berrio, Brinkley). Let's see him beat someone on the A- level at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBute never said Jean PAscal was too big for him, everybody in Quebec wants that fight to happen including JEan Pascal and Bute. The thing is that the day he moves up, there is no way he's getting down, that'S what Stephane Larouche and Jean Bedard said a few weeks ago. They want to make him a few fights at 168 and then move up and the way it looks, Pavilk is next on the map and then there will be a few guys from the tournament free, probably Froch if he doesn't knock out Abraham, Kessler should be back healthy and probably Dirrell too, these are all very possible options the tournament is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThis. Bilbo wasn't really wrong with what he was saying. Brinkley is a horrible opponent for a guy of Bute's standard. He'd be maybe acceptable if Bute was moving up trying a new division. I give him respect for the Berrio, Andrade & Miranda fights, but he looks like he wants no part of Pascal claiming 175 is too big for him (even if he appears to be naturally bigger than Pascal).Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bute is claimed to be the top guy at 168. In what other divisions could the top man in the weightclass get away with fighting a man who is a top-end club fighter. Bute deserves the same crap that David Haye gets because it's a similar level of opposition in my eyes. Maybe dare I say it worse.
Also, they didn't want to fight Brinkley but he was the mandatory (stupid alphabet ranking) and Bute had to fight him, now he's mandatory free for 12 months, which gives him enough time to have at least 2 interesting fights in the meantime.
Pavlik will be his next fight unless Pavlik wants to remain at 160 and take on the winner of the Martinez/Williams fight. And if I were Pavlik, I'd prefer that match-up than one with Bute.
You continue to say Froch is an option. However, that is wrong. Because Dirrell is out and the Ward/Bika fight is not part of the tournament, Froch, Abraham, and Ward are continuing on with the tournament regardless of what happens in the Johnson/Green fight.
The problem I see is what does Bute do if Pavlik wants to remain at 160. Stieglitz won't fight Bute. I highly doubt Calzaghe opts out of retirement to fight Bute. The guys in the Super Six are locked up. Kessler is at the very least out until the end of 2011 or 2012. On a side note, I think Kessler is done from boxing and will retire. Dirrell is out indefinitely and until we know more, he isn't an option.
Let's have a chat about this. Haters and fans. Who should Bute fight?
I don't disagree with most of youre points but don't say the " Brits " very unfair that, also calling Brinkley B rate ;D. I would put him more closer to D/E rate.
Brinkley beat Curtis Stevens to get the Bute fight and Curtis Stevens was arugably Dirrell's best win going into the Super Six. I'll agree though that he is more of a C level fighter.
But, Skel, help me out. As a Bute hater, who would you rather see him fight? It's one thing to lament his lack of opponents, but if literally there isn't anyone else out there, you can't really put Bute down for fighting who he is fighting. At least he is winning in dominant fashion. Maybe you would feel better about it if he wasn't ranked so high?
wtf?
Mate you seriously need to knock that on the head the problem is you seem to get your knickers in a twist anytime anyone disagress with Bute. As I have stated in other recent threads Bue is in a situation where he has not got any legit comp at the moment, but my problem is how the hell anyone can have this guy at number 1 in the division is beyond me, that is my only problem. He is a good fighter the super six going on is a valid excuse to not having a world class opponent available but we also have had about a dozen excuses why he hasn't fought fighter a b and c for the couple oy years before the Super Six.
If and when he steps up I will be happy to see it I rate his skills but beating the likes of Brinkley who got beat by 37 year old Robin Reid who had been out of the ring for the best part of two years is not going to get the pulses rating.
I agree, I mean he needs to start fighting good competition soon or lose his high ranking even if it isn't his fault that he is fighting bad competition.
How is Pavlik considered better than B-level competition at super middle?
Killer, that's not a bad point. Pavilk has won one fight at super middleweight when he beat Jermain Taylor, but I guess that doesn't make him A-level competition. I would say he's a step up though and at least a step in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
But, maybe Pavlik stays at 160. Who does Bute fight?
Pavlik is probably be written off a little to fast against Bute. I mean if Pavlik can get his 1,2 goin again without bein so damn hesitant and gunshy then he might have a decent shot. Unfortunately for Pavlik, he's been in some wars and he's had his struggles (allegedly) outside the ring that have probably taken there toll. As fairly crude as he might be, when he's at his best then Pavlik has the best offensive attack Bute would have ever faced. The Brinkley fight left a bad taste in my mouth for Bute I guess, but Brinkley wasn't afraid to throw punches and Bute seemed annoyed by this to me. Supremely talented but he's got to step up the competition before he gets stale.
Amat I agree. But, it's easier said than done. Who should Bute fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bilbo gets all worked up about Bute in the way he does about Donaire, but the situations aren't the same. Donaire has had quite a few options over the last couple of years, but Bute hasn't. Bilbo can't even suggest a good available opponent for Bute now.
Well honestly if he was focused on earning the ranking he has now then he would have worked to get in the Super 6. I'm sure there is some legal stuff blocking that but yeah that would be ideal. At this point there is no one he can fight that will make everyone happy but that doesn't mean I can't be bitter.
Looking at Super Middle and seeing who isn't tied up already the choices really are thin. After Pavlik my second guess for an opponent would be Stieglitz maybe? I doubt that fight would actually get signed or that there is much interest in it. What are the real choices outside of it though, Geale, Magee? Bute is in a bit of a rough spot to try and build on his quality of competition at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratAmat I agree. But, it's easier said than done. Who should Bute fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bilbo gets all worked up about Bute in the way he does about Donaire, but the situations aren't the same. Donaire has had quite a few options over the last couple of years, but Bute hasn't. Bilbo can't even suggest a good available opponent for Bute now.
He skipped the super six to clear the air about the controversial ending to the Andrade fight. (Also the HBO contract he has almost assuredly played a factor too).Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
The arguments have come out that he should be fighting the ousted fighters too, which would be a waste, who's left that's available?
Jermain Taylor? - Still on his doctor required leave from boxing
Mikkel Kessler? - Still on his doctor required leave from boxing
Andre Dirrell? - Not fighting because of neurological issues
So we have to look elsewhere in the Super Middleweight division
Robert Stieglitz - I wouldn't fault Bute for taking this he's a reasonable opponent and holds the WBO title, the rub is his two losses are to Bute's prior victims Andrade and Berrio.
Dimitri Sartison - Another reasonable opponent, but he really has zero following outside of germany
Jean Paul Mendy - He's probably still trying to recover from the late hit ala Bika
Sakio Bika - Trying to get a stay busy fight against one of the remaining super six
Paul Smith - Going for domestic glory against DeGale
Fighters that would come up from Middleweight
Dimitry Pirog - I think he has a realistic frame to move up in weight and has a pretty amazing skill set
Kelly Pavlik - rumor has it he's fighting Brian Vera on the Pac/Margo undercard
Bute moves up to Light Heavy
Jean Pascal - as stated before Bute's camp wants a few more fights at 168 and then move up to 175, at which point Pascal should still be there
Tavoris Cloud - I think this would be an easy fight for Bute given their styles, but I'm sure Lyle disagrees with me
Zsolt Erdei - Might be interesting
Bute already took Bika to school, a rematch would be meaningless.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepHe skipped the super six to clear the air about the controversial ending to the Andrade fight. (Also the HBO contract he has almost assuredly played a factor too).Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
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Sakio Bika - Trying to get a stay busy fight against one of the remaining super six
Right. So, it looks like its Stieglitz or move up.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHBute already took Bika to school, a rematch would be meaningless.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepHe skipped the super six to clear the air about the controversial ending to the Andrade fight. (Also the HBO contract he has almost assuredly played a factor too).Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
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Sakio Bika - Trying to get a stay busy fight against one of the remaining super six