Adam Booth Says Wlad is refusing to sign a 50/50 split fight with Haye.

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I think 2011 will be a tremendous year for boxing. I just have a gut feeling this fight and the Pac-Mayweather fight will happen and quite possibly Khan/winner of bradley-Alexander also.

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If those 3 fights happen that would be a great year for boxing, nice prediction, if it does not happen I will be happy to remind you. ;)

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I think 2011 will be a tremendous year for boxing. I just have a gut feeling this fight and the Pac-Mayweather fight will happen and quite possibly Khan/winner of bradley-Alexander also.

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I really hope you right mate. I predicted something similar last year so i'm not putting my neck on the line again.

( I do think your right though)

I cleaned the thread up a bit because I think we need a place to discuss the negotiations for this fight. If you guys want to insult each others nationalities and their associated stereotypes, there are other boards for it.

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I think 2011 will be a tremendous year for boxing. I just have a gut feeling this fight and the Pac-Mayweather fight will happen and quite possibly Khan/winner of bradley-Alexander also.

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All of this will happen except Pac vs Floyd. That fight ain't never happening.

Both sides are saying that negotiations are going well now. This is good news if it is true. I think the fight needs to be signed within the next week though or Wlad has to fight Chisora. That is a fight the HW division doesn't need after Hayes last mismatch.

Boxing: Negotiations for David Haye-Wladimir Klitschko 'progressing nicely' | The Fabulous Forum | Los Angeles Times

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Both sides are saying that negotiations are going well now. This is good news if it is true. I think the fight needs to be signed within the next week though or Wlad has to fight Chisora. That is a fight the HW division doesn't need after Hayes last mismatch.

Boxing: Negotiations for David Haye-Wladimir Klitschko 'progressing nicely' | The Fabulous Forum | Los Angeles Times

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I think Jaws was lucky to even be awarded a shot at a world title, I think it was just a fight organised to try and improve Klitschko's standing and negotiating position in the UK in terms of dealing with Haye. A competitive exciting heavyweight fight would be a very pleasant change to the usual bilge.

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Claims the fight will most likely be in Germany. I would be surprised if Haye agreed to Germany. This could fill Wembley stadium no problem.

Even if the fight gets signed I won't put full faith in it happening until they are in the ring with the ref and the bell to start round 1 rings.

I'll buy the fight for sure though...but I don't think it will be anything close to competitive.

I hope they get a solid undercard for it if its going to be PPV in the US as well.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Eric backing a British fighter whatever next?

Seems like Wlad has till Jan 11th or he has to fight Chisora s about time he accepted and got it on, he will destroy Haye I am sorry to say, I hope Haye does the biz but I cant see it at all. Wladtko 6/7 th round maybe earlier.

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i would back him in the ring yep, against wlad anyway, i think he only needs to land once, and i reckon thats a foregone conclusion

if your talking about backing him in who is being the girl in the fight negotiations then i have no idea what is happening, and all of the posters who are saying haye is this and haye is that, i think they dont know if he is or he isnt, they are none the wiser than me, they just dont like haye :)

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Originally Posted by erics44

i would back him in the ring yep, against wlad anyway, i think he only needs to land once, and i reckon thats a foregone conclusion

if your talking about backing him in who is being the girl in the fight negotiations then i have no idea what is happening, and all of the posters who are saying haye is this and haye is that, i think they dont know if he is or he isnt, they are none the wiser than me, they just dont like haye :)

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#1 One has to land AND follow up if they plan to stop Wlad.

#2 Wlad may only need to land once to end this fight.

#3 I don't like the WBA title holder but that's not why I see him as trying his damnedest not to make this fight...just look at how he backed out of the first fight with Wladimir.

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i would back him in the ring yep, against wlad anyway, i think he only needs to land once, and i reckon thats a foregone conclusion

if your talking about backing him in who is being the girl in the fight negotiations then i have no idea what is happening, and all of the posters who are saying haye is this and haye is that, i think they dont know if he is or he isnt, they are none the wiser than me, they just dont like haye :)

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#1 One has to land AND follow up if they plan to stop Wlad.

#2 Wlad may only need to land once to end this fight.

#3 I don't like the WBA title holder but that's not why I see him as trying his damnedest not to make this fight...just look at how he backed out of the first fight with Wladimir.

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Well it looks like Wlad is trying his hardest to get out of fighting Haye this time. What a dick.

Klitschko hits Haye with shedload of demands | Boxing Futures

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i would back him in the ring yep, against wlad anyway, i think he only needs to land once, and i reckon thats a foregone conclusion

if your talking about backing him in who is being the girl in the fight negotiations then i have no idea what is happening, and all of the posters who are saying haye is this and haye is that, i think they dont know if he is or he isnt, they are none the wiser than me, they just dont like haye :)

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#1 One has to land AND follow up if they plan to stop Wlad.

#2 Wlad may only need to land once to end this fight.

#3 I don't like the WBA title holder but that's not why I see him as trying his damnedest not to make this fight...just look at how he backed out of the first fight with Wladimir.

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Well it looks like Wlad is trying his hardest to get out of fighting Haye this time. What a dick.

Klitschko hits Haye with shedload of demands | Boxing Futures

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None of those 'demands' seem particularly egregious to me.

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i would back him in the ring yep, against wlad anyway, i think he only needs to land once, and i reckon thats a foregone conclusion

if your talking about backing him in who is being the girl in the fight negotiations then i have no idea what is happening, and all of the posters who are saying haye is this and haye is that, i think they dont know if he is or he isnt, they are none the wiser than me, they just dont like haye :)

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#1 One has to land AND follow up if they plan to stop Wlad.

#2 Wlad may only need to land once to end this fight.

#3 I don't like the WBA title holder but that's not why I see him as trying his damnedest not to make this fight...just look at how he backed out of the first fight with Wladimir.

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Well it looks like Wlad is trying his hardest to get out of fighting Haye this time. What a dick.

Klitschko hits Haye with shedload of demands | Boxing Futures

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None of those 'demands' seem particularly egregious to me.

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According to Haye's fans they are. So Wlad wants a German Doc in his corner, 1st billing on ads, and Haye enter 1st since Wlad is the lineal champ and it's considered to be "egregious" demands.

Kind of like a while back that people were saying that Wlad is making "unreasonable" demands for wanting a 50/50 split.

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i would back him in the ring yep, against wlad anyway, i think he only needs to land once, and i reckon thats a foregone conclusion

if your talking about backing him in who is being the girl in the fight negotiations then i have no idea what is happening, and all of the posters who are saying haye is this and haye is that, i think they dont know if he is or he isnt, they are none the wiser than me, they just dont like haye :)

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#1 One has to land AND follow up if they plan to stop Wlad.

#2 Wlad may only need to land once to end this fight.

#3 I don't like the WBA title holder but that's not why I see him as trying his damnedest not to make this fight...just look at how he backed out of the first fight with Wladimir.

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1 he may have to follow up yes, but im sure he wont stop fighting :)

2 yes wlad may only need to land once, makes it an interesting fight doesnt it?

3 just look how wlad has backed out of fighting haye a number of times because he hasnt had all his own way in the fight negotiations

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i would back him in the ring yep, against wlad anyway, i think he only needs to land once, and i reckon thats a foregone conclusion

if your talking about backing him in who is being the girl in the fight negotiations then i have no idea what is happening, and all of the posters who are saying haye is this and haye is that, i think they dont know if he is or he isnt, they are none the wiser than me, they just dont like haye :)

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#1 One has to land AND follow up if they plan to stop Wlad.

#2 Wlad may only need to land once to end this fight.

#3 I don't like the WBA title holder but that's not why I see him as trying his damnedest not to make this fight...just look at how he backed out of the first fight with Wladimir.

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Well it looks like Wlad is trying his hardest to get out of fighting Haye this time. What a dick.

Klitschko hits Haye with shedload of demands | Boxing Futures

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None of those 'demands' seem particularly egregious to me.

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According to Haye's fans they are. So Wlad wants a German Doc in his corner, 1st billing on ads, and Haye enter 1st since Wlad is the lineal champ and it's considered to be "egregious" demands.

Kind of like a while back that people were saying that Wlad is making "unreasonable" demands for wanting a 50/50 split.

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i think it was haye who was asking for a 50/50 of top dollar wasnt he? which wlad was refusing?

its already looking like germany for the venue, plus all this other nonsense

i was unsure who was doing all the crying, looks like wlad to me now

All this drama is going to seem really silly when the fight actually happens because its going to be a very one sided fight.

Solis seems to be now feeling the weight of the klits negotiation demands

i hope the haye haters can now accept that perhaps the klits could be a little uncompromising and might actually like to have everything their own way :)

it could even be posible that they are to blame for the constant break down in negotiations with haye?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

All this drama is going to seem really silly when the fight actually happens because its going to be a very one sided fight.

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for the good of Heavyweight boxing, lets hope its not :)

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All this drama is going to seem really silly when the fight actually happens because its going to be a very one sided fight.

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Don't be so negative. I'm sure Wlad will put up a bit of a fight before he ends up on his back. ;D

Haha love that reply bzkfn. ...
You know lyle your insistence of not mentioning Haye by name is extremely childish

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Haha love that reply bzkfn. ...
You know lyle your insistence of not mentioning Haye by name is extremely childish

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Lyle's a great poster, but his hate for Haye really gets in the way of actually looking at the fight from a rational standpoint.

So naturally, I thought I'd poke the bear ;D

Those demands are hardly going to stop this fight going through if they've agreed on the main areas. They're hardly unreasonable anyway, you can't say Wlad's trying to hold up the fight by wanting to come in second when he holds more titles and has been the dominant heavyweight for a number of years. They're just minor things that shouldn't really be an issue. I hope they get it signed soon, the cutoff for him to find another opponent before he has to reschedule a Chisora fight should be within the next week or so, so something should be done soon if its going to happen

Of course ..... And I do agree that sometimes us stinking, fat, badly dressed , bad teethed Brits get a bit over excited when it comes to our fighters but it just means we r loyal.loyalty is a good trait to have

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and I was disgraced at Hayes performance with fraudly but ... I wanna see this and I wanna believe haye can do it and I'm gonna support him all the way ..... And if he loses I promise I'll give every excuse under the sun as to why .....

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Of course ..... And I do agree that sometimes us stinking, fat, badly dressed , bad teethed Brits get a bit over excited when it comes to our fighters but it just means we r loyal.loyalty is a good trait to have

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and I was disgraced at Hayes performance with fraudly but ... I wanna see this and I wanna believe haye can do it and I'm gonna support him all the way ..... And if he loses I promise I'll give every excuse under the sun as to why .....

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It's a fight I really want to see too. I'm not really a fan of either fighter, but as a fan of boxing, it is a fight that needs to happen. I want to see if Wlad can handle someone with the speed and accuracy that Haye has and to see if Haye can get around the jab enough to land enough effective clean punches.

Stop being bitches yer pedantic queens and just get the bloody fight made! :rolleyes:

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Of course ..... And I do agree that sometimes us stinking, fat, badly dressed , bad teethed Brits get a bit over excited when it comes to our fighters but it just means we r loyal.loyalty is a good trait to have

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and I was disgraced at Hayes performance with fraudly but ... I wanna see this and I wanna believe haye can do it and I'm gonna support him all the way ..... And if he loses I promise I'll give every excuse under the sun as to why .....

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It's a fight I really want to see too. I'm not really a fan of either fighter, but as a fan of boxing, it is a fight that needs to happen. I want to see if Wlad can handle someone with the speed and accuracy that Haye has and to see if Haye can get around the jab enough to land enough effective clean punches.

Stop being bitches yer pedantic queens and just get the bloody fight made! :rolleyes:

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It won't happen now cos the pussy Wlad has signed to fight Chisora instead!
Boxing - Confirmed: Wlad-Chisora back on

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Of course ..... And I do agree that sometimes us stinking, fat, badly dressed , bad teethed Brits get a bit over excited when it comes to our fighters but it just means we r loyal.loyalty is a good trait to have

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and I was disgraced at Hayes performance with fraudly but ... I wanna see this and I wanna believe haye can do it and I'm gonna support him all the way ..... And if he loses I promise I'll give every excuse under the sun as to why .....

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It's a fight I really want to see too. I'm not really a fan of either fighter, but as a fan of boxing, it is a fight that needs to happen. I want to see if Wlad can handle someone with the speed and accuracy that Haye has and to see if Haye can get around the jab enough to land enough effective clean punches.

Stop being bitches yer pedantic queens and just get the bloody fight made! :rolleyes:

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It won't happen now cos the pussy Wlad has signed to fight Chisora instead!
Boxing - Confirmed: Wlad-Chisora back on

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It's Sky mate they've got a Khan PPV scheduled for April 16th and don't want another PPV 2 weeks later. April 30th was the only date that they could have the venue for. Boente said the next venue date they could get is July 2nd so they have a "tentative agreement" to do it then.

Consequently I blame Amir Khan completely for this fight not happening until the summer at least ;D

I hope it happens April because I want to order the sky to watch Haye and Pac fight.

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Of course ..... And I do agree that sometimes us stinking, fat, badly dressed , bad teethed Brits get a bit over excited when it comes to our fighters but it just means we r loyal.loyalty is a good trait to have

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and I was disgraced at Hayes performance with fraudly but ... I wanna see this and I wanna believe haye can do it and I'm gonna support him all the way ..... And if he loses I promise I'll give every excuse under the sun as to why .....

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It's a fight I really want to see too. I'm not really a fan of either fighter, but as a fan of boxing, it is a fight that needs to happen. I want to see if Wlad can handle someone with the speed and accuracy that Haye has and to see if Haye can get around the jab enough to land enough effective clean punches.

Stop being bitches yer pedantic queens and just get the bloody fight made! :rolleyes:

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It won't happen now cos the pussy Wlad has signed to fight Chisora instead!
Boxing - Confirmed: Wlad-Chisora back on

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It's Sky mate they've got a Khan PPV scheduled for April 16th and don't want another PPV 2 weeks later. April 30th was the only date that they could have the venue for. Boente said the next venue date they could get is July 2nd so they have a "tentative agreement" to do it then.

Consequently I blame Amir Khan completely for this fight not happening until the summer at least ;D

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Haye had venues lined up in England for May and June but Wlad the pussy REFUSED to fight in England.

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Of course ..... And I do agree that sometimes us stinking, fat, badly dressed , bad teethed Brits get a bit over excited when it comes to our fighters but it just means we r loyal.loyalty is a good trait to have

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and I was disgraced at Hayes performance with fraudly but ... I wanna see this and I wanna believe haye can do it and I'm gonna support him all the way ..... And if he loses I promise I'll give every excuse under the sun as to why .....

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It's a fight I really want to see too. I'm not really a fan of either fighter, but as a fan of boxing, it is a fight that needs to happen. I want to see if Wlad can handle someone with the speed and accuracy that Haye has and to see if Haye can get around the jab enough to land enough effective clean punches.

Stop being bitches yer pedantic queens and just get the bloody fight made! :rolleyes:

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It won't happen now cos the pussy Wlad has signed to fight Chisora instead!
Boxing - Confirmed: Wlad-Chisora back on

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It's Sky mate they've got a Khan PPV scheduled for April 16th and don't want another PPV 2 weeks later. April 30th was the only date that they could have the venue for. Boente said the next venue date they could get is July 2nd so they have a "tentative agreement" to do it then.

Consequently I blame Amir Khan completely for this fight not happening until the summer at least ;D

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Haye had venues lined up in England for May and June but Wlad the pussy REFUSED to fight in England.

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Yeah I wonder what happened to them fighting wherever would bring in the most money, in England this could easily have matched the crowd they would get in Germany. I've blamed Haye before for this not happening, but this time its all Wlad.

Q: Who's the bigger draw at the gate?
A: Judging by previous fights it's hands down Wladimir

Q: Where have the largest crowds for heavyweight fights been recently?
A: Germany


It's Sky and the other camp not wanting Wlad to have the Chisora tune up before hand....those are the ONLY points of contention that I see.

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Of course ..... And I do agree that sometimes us stinking, fat, badly dressed , bad teethed Brits get a bit over excited when it comes to our fighters but it just means we r loyal.loyalty is a good trait to have

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and I was disgraced at Hayes performance with fraudly but ... I wanna see this and I wanna believe haye can do it and I'm gonna support him all the way ..... And if he loses I promise I'll give every excuse under the sun as to why .....

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It's a fight I really want to see too. I'm not really a fan of either fighter, but as a fan of boxing, it is a fight that needs to happen. I want to see if Wlad can handle someone with the speed and accuracy that Haye has and to see if Haye can get around the jab enough to land enough effective clean punches.

Stop being bitches yer pedantic queens and just get the bloody fight made! :rolleyes:

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It won't happen now cos the pussy Wlad has signed to fight Chisora instead!
Boxing - Confirmed: Wlad-Chisora back on

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It's Sky mate they've got a Khan PPV scheduled for April 16th and don't want another PPV 2 weeks later. April 30th was the only date that they could have the venue for. Boente said the next venue date they could get is July 2nd so they have a "tentative agreement" to do it then.

Consequently I blame Amir Khan completely for this fight not happening until the summer at least ;D

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Haye had venues lined up in England for May and June but Wlad the pussy REFUSED to fight in England.

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Yeah I wonder what happened to them fighting wherever would bring in the most money, in England this could easily have matched the crowd they would get in Germany. I've blamed Haye before for this not happening, but this time its all Wlad.

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before it was wlad too

haye did too much shouting and made himself look a dick

thats why everyone blamed him

its been the klits all along, they get their own way in every other fight negotiation and as soon as someone comes along who can more than match their financial stance they cry off

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Q: Who's the bigger draw at the gate?
A: Judging by previous fights it's hands down Wladimir

Q: Where have the largest crowds for heavyweight fights been recently?
A: Germany


It's Sky and the other camp not wanting Wlad to have the Chisora tune up before hand....those are the ONLY points of contention that I see.

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im not sure your right there dude

im sure haye will still go ahead with the fight even little klit fights a day before he fights haye

i just dont think wlad wants it man

perhaps you should really start to think about it all objectively

answer yourself the question, is there any posibility that wlad might in fact be some portion of the blame to why the fight isnt happening?

then ask yourself, is it actually a posibility that wlad and his team are maybe the majority share of the blame?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Q: Who's the bigger draw at the gate?
A: Judging by previous fights it's hands down Wladimir

Q: Where have the largest crowds for heavyweight fights been recently?
A: Germany


It's Sky and the other camp not wanting Wlad to have the Chisora tune up before hand....those are the ONLY points of contention that I see.

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In reality the gate means fuck all I agree Wlad v Joe Bloggs and Haye v Joe Bloggs Wlad does more numbers, Haye v Wlad in England could easily match or better Wlad v Haye in Germany.

The money is ppv and Haye is the one who has the numbers for that you can talk all you want about wlad seeling 60 thousand tickets Haye has sold over 700 thousand ppv's in his last three fights against in reality no one near the level of Wlad in name and talent.

If we broke everything down Haye brings way more to the party when it comes to income generated, I would like to see Wlad make $10 million dollers against Chisora similar to what Haye made v Audley, the answer is he won't and nowhere near.

I have been down on Haye in the past and I said this is your last free ride in the Audley fight and now he has bent over backwards to all demands and still Wlad want's to fight Chisora.

Now Lyle go check last time Wlad fought twice in 8/9 weeks back in 2000 I think nearly 11 years ago, this fight won't happen he should not be fight Chisora on this date, ok fair enough he wants a tune up he has been out of the ring for a while.

He was playing golf 10 days after this so called injury prior to the Del Boy fight so why not get the fight on for the back end of feb or march?, then the July date will be alot more likely.

Also Lyle going off your argument if say Mayweather fought Amir Khan would Khan be entitled to 50/50 due to the fact he draws more people at the gate?

Or like you seem to have done just forget that Mayweather is a ppv star who generates millions through this and because of this deserves the lion share?

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Also Lyle going off your argument if say Mayweather fought Amir Khan would Khan be entitled to 50/50 due to the fact he draws more people at the gate?

Or like you seem to have done just forget that Mayweather is a ppv star who generates millions through this and because of this deserves the lion share?

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Your argument is based on a false premise. You're comparing the WBA title holder to Floyd Mayweather Jr. And you completely avoid the ratings that Wlad has on RTL, the Chagaev fight alone did outrageous numbers in Germany.

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Also Lyle going off your argument if say Mayweather fought Amir Khan would Khan be entitled to 50/50 due to the fact he draws more people at the gate?

Or like you seem to have done just forget that Mayweather is a ppv star who generates millions through this and because of this deserves the lion share?

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Your argument is based on a false premise. You're comparing the WBA title holder to Floyd Mayweather Jr. And you completely avoid the ratings that Wlad has on RTL, the Chagaev fight alone did outrageous numbers in Germany.

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But isn't Haye not only bringing the British market but the American market as well? HBO said they wouldn't touch the Klitschko's, but they will with David Haye.

Lyle you just dont get it do you ;D

Lyle read this and take it in. Haye brings far more money to the table than Wlad FACT.

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Lyle read this and take it in. Haye brings far more money to the table than Wlad FACT.

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OK, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's say he brings in more money than Wlad....how much more? Can you put a real number out there for me is it £2? £2 million? £20 million? Also allow me to ask you what would be the biggest money fight for the WBA title holder and why?

Also let's see again who rejected the fight, it wasn't Wlad. Wlad said "I'm good to go July 2nd after the Chisora fight"...so it seems to me that once again for some odd reason the WBA title holder and his camp are trying to make sure Wlad has been out of the ring a long time before he has this match up.

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Lyle read this and take it in. Haye brings far more money to the table than Wlad FACT.

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OK, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's say he brings in more money than Wlad....how much more? Can you put a real number out there for me is it £2? £2 million? £20 million? Also allow me to ask you what would be the biggest money fight for the WBA title holder and why?

Also let's see again who rejected the fight, it wasn't Wlad. Wlad said "I'm good to go July 2nd after the Chisora fight"...so it seems to me that once again for some odd reason the WBA title holder and his camp are trying to make sure Wlad has been out of the ring a long time before he has this match up.

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How so? Haye has agreed to July 2nd, he agreed to every concession. He'd have agreed a May or June date if Wlad had accepted, but apparently no arena in Germany was available in that time. Fine...stadiums in UK are available, but apparently that was deemed unacceptable despite the FACT that Wlad said he would fight Haye anytime, any place. I'm baffled as to how every major arena in Germany is unavailable in May or June. Football season is over in May, so why aren't they available?