On their very best night who wins the all time heavyweight prizefighter competition?

To me it is an interesting proposition, because, at some point being so much taller quits being an advantage. Being 6'7" and fighting a 5'10" guy, that fights out of a crouch in which his weight is back and away from the jab/right hand (as opposed to Frazier who, looking for the left hook, had his wt forward, thus easier to hit with jabs/right hands), is not an enviable position. Do you want to reach with a jab or right hand, or jab down, at a guy that his always looking to wing a right hand? Because you'd be leaning right into it, and I'm pretty sure that a 190 pound guy, as fit and strong as Marciano could hurt anybody he hit on the chin with his right hand. And his work rate, unless the taller guy could tie him or lay on him up close, would be a factor.

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So what I mean is, they all meet each other on their very best night over 12 rounds. Take into consideration all factors, such as height e.t.c; e.g even if you think Rocky Marciano is the 'Greatest' heavyweight of all time, you surely would not expect him to beat Vitali Klitchko!

I think that some names that would not appear on the top 10 ATG list, would have a shout using this criteria.

Thoughts?

This is not about longjevity or legacy etc etc it's about one-on-one fights on their very best night.

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Had to think about this question for a awhile. If each fighter could duplicate “best night” while fighting all others in this tourney then I think it would be Lewis when the smoke clears.

Ali over 15 rounds and Tyson over 3 rounds of prize fighter.

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Ali over 15 rounds and Tyson over 3 rounds of prize fighter.

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Fail and fail, coz the thread is about 12 round fights you noomer ;D

just a random thought but Joe Fraizer, how poorly would he fair in all of this? Pretty badly IMO... Funny though Rocky's face would be in the line of fire all night against Joe Fraizer. One of the few guys, Joe could do very well against.

I go with John L. Sullivan. The Boston Strong boy.:cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t-a-...eature=related

[QUOTE=generalbulldog;959846]I go with John L. Sullivan. The Boston Strong boy.

Again my left nut for a time machine. I don't like Lewis and being Canuck think of him as kind of traitor but I just do not see anyone beating him on his best night.

Ali -1965-67 is almost unbeatable, he fought often and toyed with opponents, his demolition of Cleveland Williams is text book Ali.

Foreman 1973 when he fought Frazier is an unstoppable force never before seen in the Heavyweight division. Remember big George took out a previously unbeaten Joe Frazier with such devastation that many scribes actually feared for Ali's life.

Larry Holmes is an often under rated HW champion, a superb boxer and although he had some close calls with both Norton and Shavers (how did he get up from that right hand) Larry Holmes in his prime beats most HW and takes Lewis to school!

Muhammad Ali or Lennox Lewis - I just can't seperate them.

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Ali over 15 rounds and Tyson over 3 rounds of prize fighter.

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Fail and fail, coz the thread is about 12 round fights you noomer ;D

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Ali and next time be more clearer.

Im torn over 3.

Ali,
Joe Louis,
Lennox Lewis.

All have great attributes, and would not argue against any of them.

Lennox Lewis

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Fail and fail, coz the thread is about 12 round fights you noomer ;D

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Ali and next time be more clearer.

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;D Clearer than "So what I mean is, they all meet each other on their very best night over 12 rounds" (taken from opening post)

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Ali and next time be more clearer.

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;D Clearer than "So what I mean is, they all meet each other on their very best night over 12 rounds" (taken from opening post)

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I have no time to read the small print. ;D

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Fail and fail, coz the thread is about 12 round fights you noomer ;D

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Ali and next time be more clearer.

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;D Clearer than "So what I mean is, they all meet each other on their very best night over 12 rounds" (taken from opening post)

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I have no time to read the small print. ;D

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Or the first line evidently

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I couldn't see ANYONE stopping a Prime Tyson over 3 rounds!

He was so explosive early on in his fights and that Tyson could easily sustain the attack.

If someone like Ali or Lewis rode him out for 3 rounds he'd surely nick it on points due to punches thrown.

To be honest it'd take at least 2 rounds to weather the storm.

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Talking about 12 round tourny fella ;)

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helps to set the rules before you start asking such questions H otherwise you might as well just start your boxing organisation with this chopping and changing crap.

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I couldn't see ANYONE stopping a Prime Tyson over 3 rounds!

He was so explosive early on in his fights and that Tyson could easily sustain the attack.

If someone like Ali or Lewis rode him out for 3 rounds he'd surely nick it on points due to punches thrown.

To be honest it'd take at least 2 rounds to weather the storm.

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Talking about 12 round tourny fella ;)

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helps to set the rules before you start asking such questions H otherwise you might as well just start your boxing organisation with this chopping and changing crap.

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See and i will sue you If my fighter does not get a shot at the title. :)

I think Louis or Ai have got to be the favorites. The thing about those two is I'm not really sure we saw either's absolute best. Ali didn't fight from age what? 24-27? And Joe Louis at what 27 just about stopped fighting for 2-3 years due to WWII. A scary thought.

The other guy who leaps to mind who would have been a monstrously tough out on his best night? Sonny Liston.

Here's my dark-horse candidate...Jack Sharkey. Ray Arcel said that, on his best nights, Sharkey was the best HW boxer he ever saw, and he saw them all 1917-1990.

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Here's my dark-horse candidate...Jack Sharkey. Ray Arcel said that, on his best nights, Sharkey was the best HW boxer he ever saw, and he saw them all 1917-1990.

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Well his record was -wins 37 (13) -losses 13(3) -draws 3.

including a 3 round ko loss to Louis , a 6 round ko loss to Carnera.
so what makes you think he could beat Ali / Lewis / Tyson / Louis / Klitchko etc ?

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Here's my dark-horse candidate...Jack Sharkey. Ray Arcel said that, on his best nights, Sharkey was the best HW boxer he ever saw, and he saw them all 1917-1990.

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Well his record was -wins 37 (13) -losses 13(3) -draws 3.

including a 3 round ko loss to Louis , a 6 round ko loss to Carnera.
so what makes you think he could beat Ali / Lewis / Tyson / Louis / Klitchko etc ?

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