Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe I and result of a hypothetical rematch

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Yes, again as shocking as it may sound - some people may not agree with your narrow, blinkered way of thinking.

I think if Calzaghe was a natural 154lb fighter and Hopkins wasn't so fucking lazy in that fight he would have pulled out the win. But he didn't, boo hoo :rolleyes:

Hopkins didn't have size on his side like he had in his precious big fights and he sure as fuck didn't have youth or workrate. He was a world class spoiler in that fight though and that's what made it so close... Its up to a judge whether they favour spoilibg tactics or not (or whether, like you they simply just dislike brits).

The diving and play acting he did whilst calzaghe arse raped him is proof enough that the pace was just too much for the old man. Oh well, nevermind... Hopkins has done enough since to redeem the loss, I doubt he worries too much about it - you on the on the other hand still seem pathetically butt hurt by it, grow a pair.

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Seriously man, I don't think they came any more stupider than you. And believe me that's saying a lot when you got eric's dumb ass posting on the same thread. But I doubt even he would embarrass himself and call Hopkins lazy. It doesn't even matter in what moronic way you meant it, Hopkins and the word lazy don't go together. Unless you gonna tell me you know guys in there mid 40's who are in better shape than most 20 year olds and can compete with boxings elite than you can't call Hopkins lazy. I don't doubt you know a bunch 40 year old men. But I call bullshit if you gonna claim they can compete with boxings elite.

And it doesn't matter what Calzaghe and Hopkins did and didn't do to win and lose there fight. Bottom line is it was a close fight that left a lot of unfinished business which Calzaghe refused to clear up cuz he knew in his heart that he got a gift win. I told you about a million times before. Facts don't fucking lie. Which is why I only deal in facts. You should to. But no. You refuse to accept them? Why? Does your lust for Calzaghe burn that intensively? Do you even know what a fact actually means? Come on. Tell me.

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What a complete and utter retard... I'm not talking about whether hopkins is in shape compared to other 40 year olds. What does that have to do with this fight?! He wasn't busy enough in the fight... Hence he lost. Maybe if he'd had a bigger output we'd be having a different discussion - but he didn't.

This is what makes you pointless to talk to, I say Hopkins was lazy in the fight and your sensative little soul thinks I'm saying that he sits on his sofa year rounding eating chips and getting fat. I' talking about his punch output in this fight you complete moron, so save me the rant on how elite he is for his age.

I'm not surprised you want me to explain what a fact is to you, seeing as you consistently struggle to differentiate between fact and opinion.

Hopkins punch output was atrocious. That is obvious to anyone and when you are outlanded as much as he was then the fight was no way close. Hopkins was outlanded so badly that he needed to fake lowblows just to get through it.

"Ooh but Hopkins landed 2 clean shots!". Sure, but Calzaghe tapped him 20 times. That is the round to Calzaghe.

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Yes, again as shocking as it may sound - some people may not agree with your narrow, blinkered way of thinking.

I think if Calzaghe was a natural 154lb fighter and Hopkins wasn't so fucking lazy in that fight he would have pulled out the win. But he didn't, boo hoo :rolleyes:

Hopkins didn't have size on his side like he had in his precious big fights and he sure as fuck didn't have youth or workrate. He was a world class spoiler in that fight though and that's what made it so close... Its up to a judge whether they favour spoilibg tactics or not (or whether, like you they simply just dislike brits).

The diving and play acting he did whilst calzaghe arse raped him is proof enough that the pace was just too much for the old man. Oh well, nevermind... Hopkins has done enough since to redeem the loss, I doubt he worries too much about it - you on the on the other hand still seem pathetically butt hurt by it, grow a pair.

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Seriously man, I don't think they came any more stupider than you. And believe me that's saying a lot when you got eric's dumb ass posting on the same thread. But I doubt even he would embarrass himself and call Hopkins lazy. It doesn't even matter in what moronic way you meant it, Hopkins and the word lazy don't go together. Unless you gonna tell me you know guys in there mid 40's who are in better shape than most 20 year olds and can compete with boxings elite than you can't call Hopkins lazy. I don't doubt you know a bunch 40 year old men. But I call bullshit if you gonna claim they can compete with boxings elite.

And it doesn't matter what Calzaghe and Hopkins did and didn't do to win and lose there fight. Bottom line is it was a close fight that left a lot of unfinished business which Calzaghe refused to clear up cuz he knew in his heart that he got a gift win. I told you about a million times before. Facts don't fucking lie. Which is why I only deal in facts. You should to. But no. You refuse to accept them? Why? Does your lust for Calzaghe burn that intensively? Do you even know what a fact actually means? Come on. Tell me.

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Thing is youre still behind on the score cards in this one big man

You might be a bit more "in the running" if you didnt keep saying how you only deal with the facts and then say how hurt Calzaghe was through out the fight - which ever way you think the fight went neither man was visibly hurt at any time ;D

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Oh you're right. What was I thinking? Calzaghe wasn't hurt when he went down. He was just tying his shoes. And at the end of the 6th round where he staggered backwards after taking a clean shot he wasn't really hurt. He was just working on his 2 step.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Yes, again as shocking as it may sound - some people may not agree with your narrow, blinkered way of thinking.

I think if Calzaghe was a natural 154lb fighter and Hopkins wasn't so fucking lazy in that fight he would have pulled out the win. But he didn't, boo hoo :rolleyes:

Hopkins didn't have size on his side like he had in his precious big fights and he sure as fuck didn't have youth or workrate. He was a world class spoiler in that fight though and that's what made it so close... Its up to a judge whether they favour spoilibg tactics or not (or whether, like you they simply just dislike brits).

The diving and play acting he did whilst calzaghe arse raped him is proof enough that the pace was just too much for the old man. Oh well, nevermind... Hopkins has done enough since to redeem the loss, I doubt he worries too much about it - you on the on the other hand still seem pathetically butt hurt by it, grow a pair.

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Seriously man, I don't think they came any more stupider than you. And believe me that's saying a lot when you got eric's dumb ass posting on the same thread. But I doubt even he would embarrass himself and call Hopkins lazy. It doesn't even matter in what moronic way you meant it, Hopkins and the word lazy don't go together. Unless you gonna tell me you know guys in there mid 40's who are in better shape than most 20 year olds and can compete with boxings elite than you can't call Hopkins lazy. I don't doubt you know a bunch 40 year old men. But I call bullshit if you gonna claim they can compete with boxings elite.

And it doesn't matter what Calzaghe and Hopkins did and didn't do to win and lose there fight. Bottom line is it was a close fight that left a lot of unfinished business which Calzaghe refused to clear up cuz he knew in his heart that he got a gift win. I told you about a million times before. Facts don't fucking lie. Which is why I only deal in facts. You should to. But no. You refuse to accept them? Why? Does your lust for Calzaghe burn that intensively? Do you even know what a fact actually means? Come on. Tell me.

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Thing is youre still behind on the score cards in this one big man

You might be a bit more "in the running" if you didnt keep saying how you only deal with the facts and then say how hurt Calzaghe was through out the fight - which ever way you think the fight went neither man was visibly hurt at any time ;D

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Oh you're right. What was I thinking? Calzaghe wasn't hurt when he went down. He was just tying his shoes. And at the end of the 6th round where he staggered backwards after taking a clean shot he wasn't really hurt. He was just working on his 2 step.

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You really thought he was hurt at the end of the 6th? Kind of reaching a bit there. Off balance and caught sure, but hurt? Don't be silly.

The knock down was what it was though. 10-8, no questions asked.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Oh you're right. What was I thinking? Calzaghe wasn't hurt when he went down. He was just tying his shoes. And at the end of the 6th round where he staggered backwards after taking a clean shot he wasn't really hurt. He was just working on his 2 step.

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as he clearly wasnt hurt on either of these occasions this makes your opinion of the whole fight unreliable :)

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Hopkins punch output was atrocious. That is obvious to anyone and when you are outlanded as much as he was then the fight was no way close. Hopkins was outlanded so badly that he needed to fake lowblows just to get through it.

"Ooh but Hopkins landed 2 clean shots!". Sure, but Calzaghe tapped him 20 times. That is the round to Calzaghe.

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This is why there is no point in even engaging in these arguments with the Calzaghe nuthuggers. Refusing even to acknowledge that a *split decision* "win" in which he was the only one who went down was at a minimum a close fight -- ridiculous.

That's what I like a bit of Calzaghe baiting , but is it working no Hopkins talking to Joe,
Hopkins let's fight one more time Joe, OK 60 40 Hopkins not a fucking Word all you
Hopkins fan's your man's full of:bs:

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Originally Posted by shza

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Hopkins punch output was atrocious. That is obvious to anyone and when you are outlanded as much as he was then the fight was no way close. Hopkins was outlanded so badly that he needed to fake lowblows just to get through it.

"Ooh but Hopkins landed 2 clean shots!". Sure, but Calzaghe tapped him 20 times. That is the round to Calzaghe.

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This is why there is no point in even engaging in these arguments with the Calzaghe nuthuggers. Refusing even to acknowledge that a *split decision* "win" in which he was the only one who went down was at a minimum a close fight -- ridiculous.

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I'm glad someone sees what's going here. It's a fight that is pretty much split 50-50 in opinion amongst fans, yet "anyone who thinks Calzaghe didn't win comfortably" doesn't know what they're talking about...hmmm

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Originally Posted by p4pking

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Oh really? Thanks:rolleyes:. Imo Calzaghe didn't land a single punch that was on par with what Hopkins did connect with(although so little), which is what makes this fight shit to watch for me.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

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It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

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like i said before VD, your opinion on this fight is no longer reliable soz :)

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It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Oh really? Thanks:rolleyes:. Imo Calzaghe didn't land a single punch that was on par with what Hopkins did connect with(although so little), which is what makes this fight shit to watch for me.

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you are right, hopkins easily landed the best 5 punches of the fight by a long long way

calzaghe won tho because he landed the next best umpteen :)

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It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Oh really? Thanks:rolleyes:. Imo Calzaghe didn't land a single punch that was on par with what Hopkins did connect with(although so little), which is what makes this fight shit to watch for me.

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you are right, hopkins easily landed the best 5 punches of the fight by a long long way

calzaghe won tho because he landed the next best umpteen :)

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Ok? Perfectly valid opinion to hold, I just don't think there were really a "next best umpteen". Calzaghe just flurried at nothing and tried to shoeshine Hopkins for much of the fight imo, and had enough success doing so in many rounds but easily lost others in which Hopkins landed real punches. The fight never really took off partly because the two are so utterly opposite in their approach to boxing. Hopkins has textbook punching form and body control but obviously is extremely conservative in his output and can't fight 12 hard rounds. Calzaghe was the antithesis of this really and operated almost entirely on fitness and athletecism. Sometimes such a clash of styles makes for a great fight, this was not one of those nights and I do put more blame on Hopkins for spoiling, for whatever that's worth.

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Ok? Perfectly valid opinion to hold, I just don't think there were really a "next best umpteen". Calzaghe just flurried at nothing and tried to shoeshine Hopkins for much of the fight imo, and had enough success doing so in many rounds but easily lost others in which Hopkins landed real punches. The fight never really took off partly because the two are so utterly opposite in their approach to boxing. Hopkins has textbook punching form and body control but obviously is extremely conservative in his output and can't fight 12 hard rounds. Calzaghe was the antithesis of this really and operated almost entirely on fitness and athletecism. Sometimes such a clash of styles makes for a great fight, this was not one of those nights and I do put more blame on Hopkins for spoiling, for whatever that's worth.

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i also hold the opinion on the fight that had calzaghe not tried so much to make a fight of it (and been a bit more cagey maybe) he wouldnt have been open to the few punches that hopkins did land

i for one think boxing is an entertainment business and i do think you can win fights by being more entertaining (in a boxing sense)

if there is a fight where each fighter lands about the same amount of punches the fighter who is pushing the fight and trying to make the fight interesting should get the nod (obviously this is a general statement and you take fights on a round by round basis)

and judges do see it that way too, take hatton v collazo as a shining example, IMO callazo won that fight quite comfortably but hatton was on the front foot for the majority of the fight and got the nod (even thought collazo wasnt even using spoiling tactics)

in all other sports rules are designed to make the game as entertaining as possible (they are constantly changing the rules of football to try and give us more goals) and boxing is the same

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It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

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Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

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Ok? Perfectly valid opinion to hold, I just don't think there were really a "next best umpteen". Calzaghe just flurried at nothing and tried to shoeshine Hopkins for much of the fight imo, and had enough success doing so in many rounds but easily lost others in which Hopkins landed real punches. The fight never really took off partly because the two are so utterly opposite in their approach to boxing. Hopkins has textbook punching form and body control but obviously is extremely conservative in his output and can't fight 12 hard rounds. Calzaghe was the antithesis of this really and operated almost entirely on fitness and athletecism. Sometimes such a clash of styles makes for a great fight, this was not one of those nights and I do put more blame on Hopkins for spoiling, for whatever that's worth.

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i also hold the opinion on the fight that had calzaghe not tried so much to make a fight of it (and been a bit more cagey maybe) he wouldnt have been open to the few punches that hopkins did land

i for one think boxing is an entertainment business and i do think you can win fights by being more entertaining (in a boxing sense)

if there is a fight where each fighter lands about the same amount of punches the fighter who is pushing the fight and trying to make the fight interesting should get the nod (obviously this is a general statement and you take fights on a round by round basis)

and judges do see it that way too, take hatton v collazo as a shining example, IMO callazo won that fight quite comfortably but hatton was on the front foot for the majority of the fight and got the nod (even thought collazo wasnt even using spoiling tactics)

in all other sports rules are designed to make the game as entertaining as possible (they are constantly changing the rules of football to try and give us more goals) and boxing is the same

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Boxing is also entirely subjective, which most sports aren't for the most part. There will always be shit fights regardless of what rules are in place, although I'm not quite sure what you were alluding to there. Likewise judges will always score fights differently based on what they like, just as we do. You are obviously partial to the aggressor, I almost always root for the guy who is more cagey and seems to move better. I do draw the line somewhere around spoiling though, as far as actually being compelled to watch.

The rematch would have been very much the same out come, but this time Joe would have stopped
him, Hopkins can not sustain a fast pace, let's face it in round 10 he was fucked he needed a
rest and that's what he got the cheating shit.
Rolling around the floor like the sugar plum fairy.Joe offered him a rematch 60 40 what was
the answer he said nothing, Bernardo is a money hoer pure and simple Boy's;D O Yes he is.

Naa papking thats not what im saying, i dont neccesarily side with the agressor, i take each figh dfferently, as with the hatton collazo fight, hatton was the aggressor and i thought collazo won

What i am saying is boxing is less subjective than you think, judges arent jst told to sit there and make their own mind up there are certain rules they have to apply

Hatton did all the pressing and despite taking more cleaner punches he made the fight more of a spectical and got the decision

P.s. Typing on my ipad makes me illiterate

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Naa papking thats not what im saying, i dont neccesarily side with the agressor, i take each figh dfferently, as with the hatton collazo fight, hatton was the aggressor and i thought collazo won

What i am saying is boxing is less subjective than you think, judges arent jst told to sit there and make their own mind up there are certain rules they have to apply

Hatton did all the pressing and despite taking more cleaner punches he made the fight more of a spectical and got the decision

P.s. Typing on my ipad makes me illiterate

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Amazing how much you can go on about judges and objectivity without so much as acknowledging that one of the three judges scored the fight for Hopkins.

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Amazing how much you can go on about judges and objectivity without so much as acknowledging that one of the three judges scored the fight for Hopkins.

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youre such a mong

You started with the objectivity bollox - "froch fans are all biast and just can be objective and ward would have beaten all froches opponents easily in their own back yards one after another" ;D

One of the judges scored the fight to hopkins - feel better?

Calzaghe deservedly won the fight :)

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Amazing how much you can go on about judges and objectivity without so much as acknowledging that one of the three judges scored the fight for Hopkins.

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youre such a mong

You started with the objectivity bollox - "froch fans are all biast and just can be objective and ward would have beaten all froches opponents easily in their own back yards one after another" ;D

One of the judges scored the fight to hopkins - feel better?

Calzaghe deservedly won the fight :)

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I'm not sure what you're referring to, since I never said that. In a completely different thread. Your post on this thread was the one that introduced "objectivity" here and the notion that a win on the cards proves something about Calzaghe deserving to win. (Despite directly contradicting yourself on that same point w/r/t Hatton-Collazo.)

It is, of course, true that Ward would have beaten all of Froch's opponents (the ones he didn't already beat) though, btw.

Point out the post where i mention objectivity

And explain my contradiction

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Point out the post where i mention objectivity

And explain my contradiction

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If you're too lazy to look four or five posts up and too much of an idiot or pretender to not acknowledge or understand your contradiction, there's no helping you. But that's been obvious since you started posting on this site.

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It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

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Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

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You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

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Naa papking thats not what im saying, i dont neccesarily side with the agressor, i take each figh dfferently, as with the hatton collazo fight, hatton was the aggressor and i thought collazo won

What i am saying is boxing is less subjective than you think, judges arent jst told to sit there and make their own mind up there are certain rules they have to apply

Hatton did all the pressing and despite taking more cleaner punches he made the fight more of a spectical and got the decision

P.s. Typing on my ipad makes me illiterate

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Trust me. It ain't the ipad

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That is the most intimidating hipster I have ever seen :p.

But. he must. really know. boxing right?

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Just like I thought he would look.

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Point out the post where i mention objectivity

And explain my contradiction

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If you're too lazy to look four or five posts up and too much of an idiot or pretender to not acknowledge or understand your contradiction, there's no helping you. But that's been obvious since you started posting on this site.

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:) youre last ditch attempt to outwit me is to talk utter bollox

I like it, its desperate but a reasonable attempt

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It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

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Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

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You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

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Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' (???) gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are. :rolleyes:

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing ???

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

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It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

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Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

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You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

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Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' (???) gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are. :rolleyes:

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing ???

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

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I only used a picture of myself for about a year before. Probably around the time you were so happy to get them Star Trek pajamas and were rocking that Captain Kirk avatar. Remember that? Not only that but I actually met muthafukkas from this forum in real life. I am who the fuck I say I am. A 29 year old, with 3 sons, his own fucking house, a job that allows him to take home $1,155 a week and seriously sick boxing addiction. While I ain't done everything I wanted, I done alright so far in life. I got things to show. Tell me what you got? You got any kids you proud of? Got your own place to call home? You even got a job? Have you even fucked a women once in your life? My guess is no, no, maybe and no. You have no kids. You still call mommy and daddy house home. You might have a job. But I'm sure it pays you chump change. The thought of the last one is just laughable.

You can't change the subject just to duck the questions all you want. I knew from the start you couldn't back up what you said

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It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

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Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

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You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

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Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' (???) gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are. :rolleyes:

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing ???

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

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I only used a picture of myself for about a year before. Probably around the time you were so happy to get them Star Trek pajamas and were rocking that Captain Kirk avatar. Remember that? Not only that but I actually met muthafukkas from this forum in real life. I am who the fuck I say I am. A 29 year old, with 3 sons, his own fucking house, a job that allows him to take home $1,155 a week and seriously sick boxing addiction. While I ain't done everything I wanted, I done alright so far in life. I got things to show. Tell me what you got? You got any kids you proud of? Got your own place to call home? You even got a job? Have you even fucked a women once in your life? My guess is no, no, maybe and no. You have no kids. You still call mommy and daddy house home. You might have a job. But I'm sure it pays you chump change. The thought of the last one is just laughable.

You can't change the subject just to duck the questions all you want. I knew from the start you couldn't back up what you said

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I would pay for this arguement on box office. You guys are about even. Its all down to the last insults. And ......... go.

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It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

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Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

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Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

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Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

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You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

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Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' (???) gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are. :rolleyes:

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing ???

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

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I only used a picture of myself for about a year before. Probably around the time you were so happy to get them Star Trek pajamas and were rocking that Captain Kirk avatar. Remember that? Not only that but I actually met muthafukkas from this forum in real life. I am who the fuck I say I am. A 29 year old, with 3 sons, his own fucking house, a job that allows him to take home $1,155 a week and seriously sick boxing addiction. While I ain't done everything I wanted, I done alright so far in life. I got things to show. Tell me what you got? You got any kids you proud of? Got your own place to call home? You even got a job? Have you even fucked a women once in your life? My guess is no, no, maybe and no. You have no kids. You still call mommy and daddy house home. You might have a job. But I'm sure it pays you chump change. The thought of the last one is just laughable.

You can't change the subject just to duck the questions all you want. I knew from the start you couldn't back up what you said

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I would pay for this arguement on box office. You guys are about even. Its all down to the last insults. And ......... go.

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£10 Pound on Adam to win.

Gandalf: How in the hell do you have Calzaghe winning clearly? Hopkins knocked him down and clearly landed the better punches.

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IMO he didnt win clearly but he clearly won :)

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Gandalf: How in the hell do you have Calzaghe winning clearly? Hopkins knocked him down and clearly landed the better punches.

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IMO he didnt win clearly but he clearly won :)

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In this fight Hopkins, got the knock down he did land may be 4or 5 punches, and that's being kind
in round 10 he was fucked,Calzaghe was getting to him and did he not like it.
He get's a tap in the bollocks, and roll's around the floor like a twat that he is.
As all the record book's will tell Calzaghe, won the fight that's good enough for me no if or but's, you can talk till the cow's come home Calzaghe beat Hopkins:deadnew:

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Come on VD... Two glaring errors already.

1) You set the bar far too low... You talk about shit like having sex once or having a job as if they are huge achievements. I wonder why? ??? Wrong on all counts anyway I'm afraid, except the kids... and whilst I'm happy you're proud of your kids the fact that you've procreated isn't really something you get to hang over people's head's... :rolleyes:

Although I did find the the job comment funny... work and business keep me too busy to be on here even half as much as you. :-X

2) again we see the typical Velvet Denise stab in the dark attempt at insults - Make some shit up about somebody you know little to nothing about and hope to god that it's actually true so it will offend them.

As usual it failed. :)

I don't recall ever seeing your picture in your avatar, just that childish, tweenager thug shit you have now. That being said maybe you did... But unlike you, obsessing over the history of somebody else's avatar seems a bit weird to me. Never seen your picture and frankly I'm glad I haven't. I've already seen the Elephant man once and that was enough.

I thought you'd relish the opportunity to get off topic. The mere concept that Calzaghe possibly didn't pursue a rematch because he felt that he'd won, or might not care about some people having doubts as long as he didn't doubt himself seems to be too much for your tiny mind to comprehend... as does the fact (those things you only deal in, if by only you mean "with a large helping of my personal opinion and speculations) that he was never penalised in 46 pro fights for hitting with the thumb or cuff.

Not once, several fights, different judges, different referees... must be a HUGE conspiracy?

Violent "I only deal in fiction and opinion" Denise

Well, I guess it beats another tired used up Manny vs Mayweather thread ;D

I thought Hopkins had it by a point but no beef with judges call really. I can see case for Joe winning. It wasn't a robbery it was a close fugly match to watch.

That said Joe should have lost a point for trying to boff Hopkins in the arse harder then any punch he threw.