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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
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Tyson has faced much bigger punchers than Tua
Like who? LOL.
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has and world class fighters, rather than the roll call of fringe bums that Tua plodded along with
Frank bruno and donovan ruddock? LOL. Even then he was matched punch for punch v donovan and was rocked by average bruno! Prime Rahman would have kayoed both of those! Moorer outboxes the holmes tyson fought!
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Tua would have done no better with the Holmes that Tyson faced
He would have brutalised him, u r beng silly now! Holmes had 4 weeks to train and was in retirement! Tyson fans are insane! The fact that u have to mention a 40yr old holmes shows how shit his resume is!
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I stand by what i said.
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Thats because you dont know any better
I know that u r an average thinker!
Could tyson go life n death with ibeaubuchi! I can only imagine what ike would have done to bruno, douglas and ruddock!
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THE PHILOSOPHER
Holmes had 4 weeks to train
What the fuck are you on about! Where dyou get your info?
What makes you think Holmes only had 4 weeks to get ready?
He was interviewed after the Biggs fight with King and they both said that Holmes did a 15 roumd exhibition in front of King to prove he was still fit. This exhibition was before the Biggs fight and that was 3 months before hos fight with Tyson! In total he was in training for this fight probably at least 15 weeks! As for the time out, Mayweather was out longer when he fought Marquez.
YouTube - Larry Holmes and what he thinks about fighting Mike Tyson
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THE PHILOSOPHER
Holmes had 4 weeks to train
What the fuck are you on about! Where dyou get your info?
What makes you think Holmes only had 4 weeks to get ready?
He was interviewed after the Biggs fight with King and they both said that Holmes did a 15 roumd exhibition in front of King to prove he was still fit. This exhibition was before the Biggs fight and that was 3 months before hos fight with Tyson! In total he was in training for this fight probably at least 15 weeks! As for the time out, Mayweather was out longer when he fought Marquez.
YouTube - Larry Holmes and what he thinks about fighting Mike Tyson
'A 15 ROUND EXHIBITION IN FRONT OF KING TO PROVE HE'S FIT'
:lol:
Do u do request's? Mr 'Integrity' Don 'The Homicidal Maniac' King and Featherfisted Tyrell Biggs in an exhibition bout! LOL.
Holmes was 39-years-old and out of the ring for nearly two years, Holmes did not fight for over three years following the loss too!
It's well know he only had a few weeks to train...Look at the state of him:
http://wallpapers.yah.in/sports-male...-holmes/11210/
Embarassing that u try and make good of that situaton.
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
Bruno was not an average puncher Philosopher.
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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ross
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THE PHILOSOPHER
Holmes had 4 weeks to train
What the fuck are you on about! Where dyou get your info?
What makes you think Holmes only had 4 weeks to get ready?
He was interviewed after the Biggs fight with King and they both said that Holmes did a 15 roumd exhibition in front of King to prove he was still fit. This exhibition was before the Biggs fight and that was 3 months before hos fight with Tyson! In total he was in training for this fight probably at least 15 weeks! As for the time out, Mayweather was out longer when he fought Marquez.
YouTube - Larry Holmes and what he thinks about fighting Mike Tyson
'A 15 ROUND EXHIBITION IN FRONT OF KING TO PROVE HE'S FIT'
:lol:
Do u do request's? Mr 'Integrity' Don 'The Homicidal Maniac' King and Featherfisted Tyrell Biggs in an exhibition bout! LOL.
Holmes was 39-years-old and out of the ring for nearly two years, Holmes did not fight for over three years following the loss too!
It's well know he only had a few weeks to train...Look at the state of him:
Sports - Male | Mike Tyson Vs Larry Holmes | Mike Tyson Wallpapers - yah.in
Embarassing that u try and make good of that situaton.
Your making yourself look so much more a twat;D
I didnt even say the exhibition was with Biggs! If tou watched the video youd see it was at the Tyson v Biggs fight. They talk about the exhibition having already happened.
Like I said, other fighters have been out longer after retirement and come back to beatworld class fighters.
Dyou really think someone with Holmes ego and dislike for Tyson and his popularity would just sit on their ass and leave the training till 4 weeks before the fight when he knew more than 3 months in advance?;D
I tell you what, ill go down B&Q and buy you a long reach scraper so you can get deeper in that barrel for some bullshit. Youll have to ait your turn behind lyle while he tries to pull Mercer (who lost to Holmes) out;D
Also, no wonder your always wrong if these are the sort of places you get you info from. Tyson splattered Holmes in 88;D
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
How long dyou think it would take the marauding, powerfull, destructive Tua to stop Chris Byrd?;D
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
I'd take Tyson on points curiously enough.
I know we're talking about 2 huge punchers here, but they both had excellent chins.
I think Tyson's greater handspeed, head movement & punch combinations would seal it, as Tua was a bit over reliant on his Left hook.
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
Baffled by people that rate Tua so highly.
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Bobthepen
Baffled by people that rate Tua so highly.
Tua seems to get overrated off the back of the Ibeabuchi fight.
Somewhat ironically, Ibeabuchi is overrated off the back of the Tua fight, that & the fact he was incarcerated in his prime.
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Im the twat?
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Holmes did a 15 roumd exhibition in front of King to prove he was still fit.
LOL. Only a twat would produce a statement like that ^ to defend this shit!
Try making your posts more fuckin legible! Hieroglyphs are easier to decipher..
Was Holmes circa tyson (in total) in 5 years of retirement? In the worst shape of his career? Simple yes or no? No on cares about exhibitions!
Now be sure to taste your words before u spit them out cupcake and have fun at B&Q (Drop a CV off while your there!).
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Tyson splattered Holmes in 88
Massive underdog Danny williams splattered tyson in 04 :) Oh wait 'The favourite' Tyson was done! LOL. Holmes fight was a joke. Larry was a patsy for the tyson bandwaggon and u have a tiny penis. End of.
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THE PHILOSOPHER
Im the twat?
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Holmes did a 15 roumd exhibition in front of King to prove he was still fit.
LOL. Only a twat would produce a statement like that ^ to defend this shit!
Try making your posts more fuckin legible! Hieroglyphs are easier to decipher..
Was Holmes circa tyson (in total) in 5 years of retirement? In the worst shape of his career? Simple yes or no? No on cares about exhibitions!
Now be sure to taste your words before u spit them out cupcake and have fun at B&Q (Drop a CV off while your there!).
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Tyson splattered Holmes in 88
Massive underdog Danny williams splattered tyson in 04 :) Oh wait 'The favourite' Tyson was done! LOL. Holmes fight was a joke. Larry was a patsy for the tyson bandwaggon and u have a tiny penis. End of.
You just made yourself even more of a stupid twat!
Have you read on some fan site this info? Like the photo that reckons its from 87?
Holmes fought Tyson 21 months after fighting Spinks. Mayweather was out for longer before he fought Marquez;D Not 5 fucking years!;D
Oh yeah but also you reckon he only trained for 4 weeks... When the video I put up proves he was in training for over 3 months!;D So Holmes wasnt even retired a year and a half before he started training to fight Mike;D
Holmes went on to beat Ray Mercer after another couple of years out (he needed that after the hammering he took from Mike) and push McCall all the way, the same McCall who sparked Lewis.
Not Mercer, Holyfield or McCall could ever dream of matching what Tyson did to the younger Holmes.
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
Ross is right this is the same Holmes who out boxed the then undefeated Ray Mercer after his devastating loss to Tyson, lost to a prime Holyfield and McCall on points. Not bad for a patsy.
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You just made yourself even more of a stupid twat! Have you read on some fan site this info? Like the photo that reckons its from 87?
I'm not the one comparing May\Marquez to Tyson/Holmes! Holmes himself now admit's he should not have taken the fight because he was in his worst shape ever and rate's it as his worst ever performance!!
As for your 'Twat' comment, Free speech gives us all the right to speak our minds, even the assholes i suppose.
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Holmes fought Tyson 21 months after fighting Spinks. Mayweather was out for longer before he fought Marquez;D Not 5 fucking years!;D
-From 86-91 holmes was inactive other than the tyson fight! In fact he hadn't won a fight since 85, a very dubious decision over carl williams followed by 2 defeats to former LHW spinks a few months later. Holmes had officially retired and was approaching 39. No amount of YT videos or talk of exhibiton fights will make your argument even remotely credible.
No one rates the holmes win. Why u talk of WW mayweather is beyond me! Mayweather was still undefeated and Marquez had never fought above lightweight LOL. (Mayweather was still considered P4P No.1) Plus he has not been inactive for another 3 years post marquez... Stop comparing Mayweather v Marquez to Tyson v Holmes! Pathetic that u have even tried.
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Oh yeah but also you reckon he only trained for 4 weeks... When the video I put up proves he was in training for over 3 months!;D So Holmes wasnt even retired a year and a half before he started training to fight Mike;D
Stop making out holmes was smashing up the gym, u only need to look at him to see the shape he was in! U saw the image i gave u, Don't pretend u didn't! Holmes looked horrible! That vid was just larry pontifcating... He even admits now that he wasn't prepared, It's well documented.
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Holmes went on to beat Ray Mercer after another couple of years out (he needed that after the hammering he took from Mike) and push McCall all the way, the same McCall who sparked Lewis.
Respect for the mercer win but mercer had only been pro for 3 years and went onto lose to jesse ferguson (Arguably twice!) So he was beateable. Larry had strung together 6 wins before mercer and had shooken off the ringrust. Tyson himself reckon's he would not have beaten a prime holmes!
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Mercer, Holyfield or McCall could ever dream of matching what Tyson did to the younger Holmes.
That is just such a pathetic comment. Holyfield Didn't need to dream about holmes, he handled tyson twice! Let alone handily outboxed holmes...
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The 'YOUNGER' holmes ROFL! None of them fought a 'YOUNGER' holmes, Difference is the others had other more relevant wins, Tyson has been dining out off that win for years! They just got on with the job of outboxing holmes and moved on, regardless of wether they stopped him or not! None of those guys really rates having a 40's holmes on there resumes except tyson fans! Truly awful poster....
This place tickle's me.....It's like a little clique inpenetrable to outsiders! LOL. Any news from B&Q yet? Thought not
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Holmes wanted the fight because he was jealous that Tyson was getting all the plaudits when Holmes hadnt.
You may say that Holmes was out of shape, or rather, looked out of shape (as he always did) but against Holyfield and McCall he was even heavier but wan rounds against them and 4 years after Mike levelled him. When Holmes went down against Tyson it was like watching an old redwood being felled;D
So, an older, fatter, more retired version was able to push Holyfield, McCall and beat Mercer but never ever stood any kind of chance of even reaching the half way point with Tyson, let alone, win a round.
Holmes was used as an opponent for Mike because other than Spinks, there really were no other available, viable opponents. He had wiped the division clean.
As for your comment about Mercer losing to the older, fatter more retired version than Tyson fought because hed only been a pro for 3 years. Mike hadnt even been pro for 3 years;D
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Imagine the mgm grand.
Sell out arena.
Prime tyson.
Prime tua.
Who wins..
Tyson wins but tua does himself proud.
Imho.
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U can try and push this issue all u want but the fact of the matter is, the tyson fight was the only fight holmes had fought in a 5 year period! Prior to his retirement he had arguably lost 3 in a row! Yes he came back and defeated a green mercer year's later but many journeymen throughout history have the odd win over a fighter they were supposed to lose to! Holmes was a very crafty old veteran that's all....
And don't think for one minute the mercer fight was a walkover. Scores were: 117-112 | 117-111 | 115-113! And the fact remain's he lost to Holy and Mcall. Other than mercer he was just a canny old veteran that could give anyone an awkward night. He held his own with tyson too up until the stoppage. He looked in terrible shape just admit it!
Let's not pretend that just because tyson defeated Holmes easier than other's may have that that automatically means tyson would have beaten Mercer, Mcall etc. Douglas or Holyfield anyone? (I do believe mcall fought 100's of round's with tyson in sparring and was never dropped!)
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THE PHILOSOPHER
U can try and push this issue all u want but the fact of the matter is, the tyson fight was the only fight holmes had fought in a 5 year period! Prior to his retirement he had arguably lost 3 in a row! Yes he came back and defeated a green mercer year's later but many journeymen throughout history have the odd win over a fighter they were supposed to lose to! Holmes was a very crafty old veteran that's all....
And don't think for one minute the mercer fight was a walkover. Scores were: 117-112 | 117-111 | 115-113! And the fact remain's he lost to Holy and Mcall. Other than mercer he was just a canny old veteran that could give anyone an awkward night. He held his own with tyson too up until the stoppage. He looked in terrible shape just admit it!
Let's not pretend that just because tyson defeated Holmes easier than other's may have that that automatically means tyson would have beaten Mercer, Mcall etc. Douglas or Holyfield anyone? (I do believe mcall fought 100's of round's with tyson in sparring and was never dropped!)
You are wonderful, Holmes held his own just as Audley held his own against Price before the knock out. Tyson was playing with him for all the fooling around Holmes did in the 4th round.
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You are wonderful, Holmes held his own just as Audley held his own against Price before the knock out. Tyson was playing with him for all the fooling around Holmes did in the 4th round.
The tyson fight was the only fight holmes had fought in a 5 year period! He was also aproaching 40 and prior to his retirement he had arguably lost 3 in a row! LOL. Right in the Kisser!
I relish this shit...
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
Not to stray off topic but Philosopher you seem to rate David Tua more highly than George Foreman...it's just something I noticed reading your posts
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El Kabong
Not to stray off topic but Philosopher you seem to rate David Tua more highly than George Foreman...it's just something I noticed reading your posts
No i rate Foreman much higher than Tua in an ATG sense.
Power is a different matter though as u well know!
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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El Kabong
Not to stray off topic but Philosopher you seem to rate David Tua more highly than George Foreman...it's just something I noticed reading your posts
No i rate Foreman much higher than Tua in an ATG sense.
Power is a different matter though as u well know!
....and Tua's power, did it go up or down with his weight?
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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You are wonderful, Holmes held his own just as Audley held his own against Price before the knock out. Tyson was playing with him for all the fooling around Holmes did in the 4th round.
The tyson fight was the only fight holmes had fought in a 5 year period! He was also aproaching 40 and prior to his retirement he had arguably lost 3 in a row! LOL. Right in the Kisser!
I relish this shit...
Holmes was out 18 months before he started training for Tyson.
The reason he took time off again was because he knew while Mike was about he stood no chance what so ever of getting anywhere.
Its no coincidence his comeback started AFTER Mike had lost to Douglas. Holmes looked at the division amd there was no one he feared. He knew he wouldnt have to fight Mike to get a title but he looked at the likes of Mercer, McCall, Foreman and Holyfield and thought to himself "not one of these has the skills that Mike had and ill beat them easy, even if I come in heavier and older than when I fought that amazing Mike Tyson"
;D
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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You are wonderful, Holmes held his own just as Audley held his own against Price before the knock out. Tyson was playing with him for all the fooling around Holmes did in the 4th round.
The tyson fight was the only fight holmes had fought in a 5 year period! He was also aproaching 40 and prior to his retirement he had arguably lost 3 in a row! LOL. Right in the Kisser!
I relish this shit...
You said Holmes "held his own" against Tyson, that's what made me laugh, Tyson was playing with him you muppet, he was in perfect control and never in any trouble.
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I relish this shit...
You relish being thought of as a stubborn moron???
Also David Tua's chin.....couldn't handle Monte Barrett's power ;D
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
A plethora of insults and emoticons won't compensate for your butthurtness! Yes of course if tua was a natural LHW his power would diminish a little. Power to weight ration. If u don't think size has anything at all to do with power then i guess u would support the fact that i.e Kosty Tszyu's power would be as effective at let's say MW! (We have done all this on the other thread and u got humiliated!)
I will just reiterate that IMO Comparing the size of HW's today is a valid thing to do because the size disparities in the division are greater than in any other division and the size difference of a large % of the fighters competing in it today compared to i.e the 70's is clearly evident! When talking about 2 NOTED punchers as WK and GF are then the fact that wlad is 30lbs of solid muscle heavier (prime weight!) must factor in. Im comparing WK's power to GF's power and that alone!
And no you're right he can't handle mighty monte barrett's power just like he couldn't handle LL's power or IKE, Rahman, Maskaev etc's power! LOL. Pathetic. You're just sounding butthurt and petty now. Pull yourself together young lady and take your ass whooping with humility!
Just more fail on your part...As for larry and mo...Well it's demeaning even quoting them. End of discussion. No response needed as no reply forth coming. Brownie points for trying though EK.
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You said that you rate Foreman higher as an ATG than Tua but "power is a different matter"...and so I asked if Tua's power went up or down with his weight as he fluctuated throughout his career starting off at a slim/svelt 201 and then beefing up to a whopping 253 at his heaviest.
Also you rate Tua's power so much you fail to recognize that his percentage of KO's is 74.14% which is much lower than George Foreman's 83.95% and Wladimir's is 81.97% (also lower than Foreman's). So that might not answer specifically "Who hit's the hardest?" but it shows a statistic that Foreman won by KO more often than Tua or Wlad.
Also when Chris Byrd was questioned about who hit him the hardest Chris Byrd without hesitation said David Tua. Granted that might support your point about Tua being a hard puncher but let's remember that Chris Byrd had fought Vitali (who weighed 244 & 1/2) , Wladimir (who weighed 238 & 241 for their fights), Ike Ibeabuchi (weighed 244 & 3/4) and David Tua only weighed 233 for his fight vs Byrd therefore telling me and everyone else that just sheer weight isn't the end all be all of power.
....class dismissed :lyle:
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You said that you rate Foreman higher as an ATG than Tua but [B]"power is a different matter"...and so I asked if Tua's power went up or down with his weight as he fluctuated throughout his career starting off at a slim/svelt 201 and then beefing up to a whopping 253 at his heaviest.
Oh if u insist..
Tua started off at HW @ 201 as a teenager but that was not his prime weight and he soon out grew that weight! I am talking mainly about a fighters prime weight. WK is around 240. Foreman is 217 and Tua's is around 230! U are implying that i am basing WK's power advantage on size and size alone which i have already dismantled u on yet u keep insisting that it is my entire argument! Doe's tua have more power at 250 than at 230? No. Why are u asking if i think tua had more power the fatter he got? Tua's fat levels went up and down not his power! Your terminology is wrong too. He didn't BEEF UP as u suggested he got lazier and fatter!
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Also you rate Tua's power so much you fail to recognize that his percentage of KO's is 74.14% which is much lower than George Foreman's 83.95% and Wladimir's is 81.97% (also lower than Foreman's). So that might not answer specifically "Who hit's the hardest?" but it shows a statistic that Foreman won by KO more often than Tua or Wlad.
Oh so now we are using stats! LOL. And now we are changing the argument and moving onto Tua V Foreman aswell. Anyway...KO percentage can be miss leading if u do not take into account the quality and the chins of the opponents faced. Wlad has consistantly fought at a higher level against better opponents. Deontay wilder has a 100% KO ratio LOL.Also is a KO% inclusive of TKO's because KO's and TKO's are not the same! I suggest u are miss leading ppl.
Who did george KO to reach that %? Then ask yourself if George had Fought IKE, LL, Byrd, Ruiz etc Would he have such a high one? If george had fought Peter, Byrd, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Brock etc Would he have such a high %? Anyone can rack up that percentage kayoing the alex stewarts of the world! Foreman had a hell of a lot of fights and 90% of them were resume fillers! Wlad has defeated way more undefeated fighters, And fought consistantly at a higher level than foreman did! Lamon brewster has a higher KO % than Foreman and Tyson i believe, what shall we read into that? Marciano and VK have the highest KO ratios if i remember correctly!
If u want stats then have WK's World title stats: Name and KO'ratio in world title fights:
·George Foreman 42.8% (3 of 7)
·Mike Tyson 62.5% (10 of 16)
·Wladimir Klitschko 77.7% (14 0f 18)
Also check out there common opponents: Schulz, Martin and Young:
Opponent Wladimir Klitschko's result George Foreman's result:
·Axel Schulz KO8 MD12
·Everett Martin KO8 UD10
·Mark Young KO2 (RTD2) TKO7
This again shows superiority on wlads part! More? The easiest way to convince PPLof the superiority of Klitschko (compared to Foreman) is to mention that George Foreman has scored only 3 KOs in world championship fights 200×2, whereas Wladimir Klitschko has scored approximately 5 x as many!
More? So far 13 people survived fights with Foreman. But only 3 survived against Wlad
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Also when Chris Byrd was questioned about who hit him the hardest Chris Byrd without hesitation said David Tua. Granted that might support your point about Tua being a hard puncher but let's remember that Chris Byrd had fought Vitali (who weighed 244 & 1/2) , Wladimir (who weighed 238 & 241 for their fights), Ike Ibeabuchi (weighed 244 & 3/4) and David Tua only weighed 233 for his fight vs Byrd therefore telling me and everyone else that just sheer weight isn't the end all be all of power.
Yes but not every small fighter has the gifts that byrd does! In all likely hood foreman would have lost to byrd too! Can i have the link to were he said it too please? Only weighed 233! Only! LOL. 233 of pure muscle! LOL..And yet again i never said it was the be all and end all. Why do u keep suggesting that i did? U keep re-iterating that over and over, yet show me were i said size is the deciding factor? We are talking NOTED punchers too remember! BTW the other 3 u mentioned pretty much handled byrd!!
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
Read this:
Boxing - I sparred with Evander Holyfield, George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, David Tua and others
A nice perspective from someone who sparred them all!
P.s what class are we dismissing?
Have a bit more (i think iv made my point by now):
I usually don't care what trainers say but since Emanuel Stewart hits the nail on its head I want to quote him:
"What makes him really special also is he has so much power in the late rounds. A lot of guys, great punchers like ·Mike Tyson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), they were great in the early rounds but very seldom in the late rounds. Wladimir has knocked out guys like he did with ·Chris Byrd ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), and ·RayAustin ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), and ·Eliseo Castillo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) – he knocked those guys out early because he threw a punch early, an early power punch. And then he’s had the power to go out after being down three times with ·Samuel Peter ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and he had him out on his feet in the twelfth round of a very grueling fight with one single punch, a left hook. Then he knocked out ·Tony Thompson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). With Tony Thompson he ran across the ring and threw one straight right hand in the eleventh round and just walked away, and Thompson went down totally finished. Now he knocks out this guy in the 12th round with ten or twelve seconds left with one punch. To have a fighter that has that kind of devastating one punch clean knockout power is so much stress on the opponent because you’re never safe."
(Emmanuel Stewart, HOF trainer of Wladimir Klitschko)
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....you want to compare how a 20 something Wladimir Klitschko and a 40+ George Foreman did vs similar opponents and you think that's a reasonable and rational argument?
Your samples are cute...I used their entire careers because I'm not attempting to angle things in my favor because I know I'm correct, I don't have to skew numbers to fit my view.
Chris Byrd said what he said about David Tua on a Friday Night Fight's episode when Brian Kenny was still hosting and David Tua was also in the interview as well...take it or leave it at my word that's what Chris Byrd said he said "David Tua hit the hardest" and Kenny asked about Ike Ibeabuchi and Byrd said "Tua".
Yes we're talking about NOTED power punchers but when I mention guys like Rocky or Shavers, or Foreman you ALWAYS mention weight and I'm telling you that those guys could bang and it didn't matter if they weighed 170 or 250 they'd knock you out because they knew how to punch hard. You know the old saying that "punchers are born not made"....well those guys were born punchers and their stats back it up.
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Now I know where all your crap comes from!;D
I just read that forum front he link and that is someone taking the piss out of a bunch of naive morons! That isnt for real!
Gullible fucker;D
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ross
Now I know where all your crap comes from!;D
I just read that forum front he link and that is someone taking the piss out of a bunch of naive morons! That isnt for real!
Gullible fucker;D
LOL.
And u are someone's opinion we should value more! Truth hurts. My car needs washing ross!
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LOL.
WK's World title stats: Name and KO'ratio in world title fights:
·George Foreman 42.8% (3 of 7)
·Mike Tyson 62.5% (10 of 16)
·Wladimir Klitschko 77.7% (14 0f 18)
Another way of comparing is common opponents: Schulz, Martin and Young:
Opponent Wladimir Klitschko's result George Foreman's result:
·Axel Schulz KO8 MD12
·Everett Martin KO8 UD10
·Mark Young KO2 (RTD2) TKO7
This again shows superiority on wlads part! More?
How about the fact that George Foreman has scored only 3 KOs in world championship fights 200×2, whereas Wladimir Klitschko has scored approximately 5 x as many!
More? So far 13 people survived fights with Foreman. But only 3 survived against Wlad! Shall we go on?
Let's also take a look at people who have sparred with them (Of course we must value the opinion of some forum trolls over someone who actually experienced them! 'But wait that guy must be lyeing.....') LOL:
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Lets take the opinion of someone in the know:
"What makes him really special also is he has so much power in the late rounds. A lot of guys, great punchers like ·Mike Tyson, they were great in the early rounds but very seldom in the late rounds. Wladimir has knocked out guys like he did with ·Chris Byrd, and RayAustin, and ·Eliseo Castillo – he knocked those guys out early because he threw a punch early, an early power punch. And then he’s had the power to go out after being down three times with ·Samuel Peter and he had him out on his feet in the twelfth round of a very grueling fight with one single punch, a left hook. Then he knocked out Tony thompson. With Tony Thompson he ran across the ring and threw one straight right hand in the eleventh round and just walked away, and Thompson went down totally finished. Now he knocks out this guy in the 12th round with ten or twelve seconds left with one punch. To have a fighter that has that kind of devastating one punch clean knockout power is so much stress on the opponent because you’re never safe."
(Emmanuel Stewart, HOF trainer of Wladimir Klitschko) Also note Freddie roach said WK hit harder than Tyson!
More? Let's see who foreman says hit him the hardest:
Boxing - George Foreman reveals who hit him the hardest..
Oh look cooney! As i said cooney had an argument too!
Let's look at someone who fought LL and WK (Phil jackson) He says wlad hit harder:
Ex-Foe says Wladimir Klitschko Can Still Be Champ
More powerful than Lennox Lewis would you say?
Phil Jackson: "Yeah, most definitely. Yeah."
Shall we go on? U see im not basing it all on size, i said IMO being 25lbs of solid muscle larger factors in! when talking about NOTED punchers, of course foreman has incredible power and he is an ATG puncher but IMO WK hits harder! Stop crying and produce a counter to this argument! Now point me to where i said foreman doesn't hit as hard because WK is bigger? I said that when comparing those 2 then wlads size must factor in as part of the equation IMO!
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
not sure what the current topic of tihs thread is but in response to the last post I dont wladmir hits especially hard, he has good power for sure but i think lennox had more power... wlad can land a great right hand like he did v tony thompson(or chagaev in the early rounds) but then thompson/chagaev will get up and continue, wladimir does not seem to have one punch knockout power in my opinion his knockouts seem to come from an accumulation of punches... lennox seemed to able to blow people away with just one shot(a well placed shot obviously) like his rematch v rahman... so i would say wladimirs power is a bit overrated
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
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Kirkland Laing
We never really got to see prime Tyson. He was self-destructing even before he won his first belt. The primest Tyson we did see was the scariest combination of speed, mobility and power that I've ever seen by an absolute country mile and would have destroyed Tua.
Pretty much this. Tyson could outbox Tua as well as outslug him, Tua had a chin for days but Tyson hitting him with precision both to the body and to the head it's not out of the question that Tyson would have done some damage. If Chris Byrd was able to effect Tua to the body, I'd cringe to think what Tyson's body attack would have done to him.
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
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THE PHILOSOPHER
Cheers for that. Nice reading.
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
Prime Tyson eats Prime Tua for lunch, and I'm a big fan of the large Samoan.
Tyson was superior to Tua in pretty much every way. Tua had huge power, sure, but not much in the way of boxing skill or ring generalship. Tyson, beyond his brutal power, had solid fundamentals, hand speed and a solid, snap your head off your shoulders-type jab. He was a vicious body puncher as well.
Tua had a great left hook, but his right hand left a lot to be desired IMO. Tyson could easily knock your head off with either hand, using any punch.
People talk about how Tyson was a bully, that he couldn't stand people fighting back. I say that's bullshit. Tyson took BOMBS from guys like Frank Bruno and Razor Ruddock, and fought on to win. Tyson had a great chin - even the times where he was KO'd, it was after an accumulation of punishment.
I like Tua, and I know he had the power to beat anyone if he landed that left hook flush on the jaw, but if you think prime Tua beats prime Tyson I think you need your head examined.
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Re: Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime
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Memphis
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THE PHILOSOPHER
Cheers for that. Nice reading.
More than welcome.
