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TysonBomb I love your enthusiasm but your good points do not need to be personal. El Kabong likes the Klit brothers but he does give Tyson credit so there is no need to get personal with him.
You even made @TitoFan defend Wlad for his performance against Haye which says a lot. :)
Vitali is stationary??? He's athletic and doesn't move his feet much because he doesn't really have to. Vitali is 6'8 he keeps a low guard and when someone tries to hit him in the head he leans back or backs up and unless you're a very tall rangey fighter you're not going to find his chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tyson would beat Vitali because Vitali is very stationary and slow in comparison to Tyson. Vitali may take the punches but think it just means he takes a systematic beating. Sure he will give Tyson problems because of height, weight and reach but Tyson used his size, speed and punching power to his advantage and would win sufficient rounds to win a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
But whatever, it's no use arguing with the Tyson fans. I mean we would have had Vitali vs Mike Tyson had 'Iron' Mike beaten Danny Williams, but hey he was so stationary he certainly would have lost that fight too :rolleyes:
I have just defended you saying you are rational and then you make this post! Tyson would have lost against Vitali, if he had beaten Williams. That Tyson had nothing left after 3 rounds, he was finished by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongVitali is stationary??? He's athletic and doesn't move his feet much because he doesn't really have to. Vitali is 6'8 he keeps a low guard and when someone tries to hit him in the head he leans back or backs up and unless you're a very tall rangey fighter you're not going to find his chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTyson would beat Vitali because Vitali is very stationary and slow in comparison to Tyson. Vitali may take the punches but think it just means he takes a systematic beating. Sure he will give Tyson problems because of height, weight and reach but Tyson used his size, speed and punching power to his advantage and would win sufficient rounds to win a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
But whatever, it's no use arguing with the Tyson fans. I mean we would have had Vitali vs Mike Tyson had 'Iron' Mike beaten Danny Williams, but hey he was so stationary he certainly would have lost that fight too :rolleyes:
Hey man, I'm just saying he had an opportunity to prove you Tyson fans right...and he couldn't beat Danny Williams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Listen, I don't hate Mike Tyson, I'm real about the guy. Was he devistating and a rabid whirling dervish of pain and destruction in the ring? Yes, absolutely! Was he invincible? Unbeatable? Flawless? No....no....and no. Certainly everyone can voice what they want to about a hypothetical matchup Prime vs Prime and the deal is people see different things, it doesn't make them any more wrong or right regarding a situation that will not happen unless we can break the laws of time & space. Where one person sees Tyson's impregnable defense someone else might see Wlad's good defense. where someone might see Tyson's combination punching & handspeed someone else might see Wlad's combination punching and handspeed. Where someone might see Wlad's chin as a weakness, another might see Tyson's heart as a weakness.
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LMAO, @Master.
I'm glad you see that, even if Lyle doesn't.
;D
The way I see it, Wlad and Tyson both have abilities that could be kryptonite for the other. I think a large influence on the result would be whether or not Wlad loses his calm. If he remains calm and collective, I could see him keeping Tyson at range or tying up on the inside. If Tyson is able to unnerve Wlad, I think Tyson slips in some well placed punches that start Wlad on a downhill train wreck.
ninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good postQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
So he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabongninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good postQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
He doesn't agree with me, he can just see more than one outcome. "If ____ happens then ______" a rational way to discuss a hypothetical matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabongninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good postQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Or just sitting on the fence.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe doesn't agree with me, he can just see more than one outcome. "If ____ happens then ______" a rational way to discuss a hypothetical matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabongninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good postQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
nobody will ever know who would win so its kind of poinless really.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOr just sitting on the fence.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe doesn't agree with me, he can just see more than one outcome. "If ____ happens then ______" a rational way to discuss a hypothetical matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabongninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good postQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
:vd: It's a hypothetical matchup for fucks sake Michael Buffer has an equal opportunity to knock out both fighters in a HYPOTHETICAL situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Like I do not know it is a hypothetical match up. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd: It's a hypothetical matchup for fucks sake Michael Buffer has an equal opportunity to knock out both fighters in a HYPOTHETICAL situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Just have an opinion, is all I am saying like you have even if it is wrong. ;)
An opinion is fine, but you can't prove much of anything to anybody. "Tyson beat Tyrell Biggs & he was tall" is akin to saying "Wlad beat up Jean Marc Mormeck and he was trained by the great Kevin Rooney"Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterLike I do not know it is a hypothetical match up. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd: It's a hypothetical matchup for fucks sake Michael Buffer has an equal opportunity to knock out both fighters in a HYPOTHETICAL situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Just have an opinion, is all I am saying like you have even if it is wrong. ;)
I think Wlad would have had trouble with Tony Tucker who was undefeated 6ft 5in and had a great perm. :)
I also think Tony Tucker with his fast hands would have given Wlad problems.
Less so Pinklon Thomas and Rudduck although they never fought Tyson both Witherspoon and Dokes.
I may be stretching my point but Spinks was tricky and would have given some problems too.
:rolleyes: so Wlad gets 0 credit from you? You think that these guys would either give Wlad a hard time or beat him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Was Spinks or Dokes or Thomas better than Haye or Byrd at heavyweight? Ruddock was a mess he never reached his true potential.
I give Wlad credit plenty. Haye is shite, Byrd was a cruiserweight who massively over acheived as a heavyweight through right match making and close decisions. Wlad probably beats all of them but I see Tucker like Brewster.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:rolleyes: so Wlad gets 0 credit from you? You think that these guys would either give Wlad a hard time or beat him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Was Spinks or Dokes or Thomas better than Haye or Byrd at heavyweight? Ruddock was a mess he never reached his true potential.
Wlad has created a greater legacy that Vitali although Vitali at his best was the better fighter.
Chris Byrd was a very good heavyweight, underrated by many people. Easily overlooked, but he was a good fighter. I think he is pretty much on par with the lighter weight guys you listed. Dokes probably was a better puncher, but Byrd was a very good fighter. Eddie Chambers is another guy whom is easy to overlook as is Calvin Brock, but Wlad literally beat them out of the division, and in Brock's case out of boxing altogether.
No, honestly I find it an intriging matchup especially because I cannot say for sure what the outcome would be. One thing I suspect is that someone would go KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOr just sitting on the fence.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe doesn't agree with me, he can just see more than one outcome. "If ____ happens then ______" a rational way to discuss a hypothetical matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabongninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good postQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
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Originally Posted by ninjaspy3No, honestly I find it an intriging matchup especially because I cannot say for sure what the outcome would be. One thing I suspect is that someone would go KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOr just sitting on the fence.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe doesn't agree with me, he can just see more than one outcome. "If ____ happens then ______" a rational way to discuss a hypothetical matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabongninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good postQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Heavyweights will always have that "puncher's chance" to end a fight either way. But beyond that, I read some "ifs" in your analysis which, IMO, are extremely iffy. For instance: "If he (Wlad) remains calm and collected..." Prime Wlad facing a prime Tyson. A headhunting, perpetual motion, dangerous with both hands Tyson. Personally I doubt Wlad would be calm and collected. He's fought scared against the likes of Sultan (who was in turn scared of him). So what makes you think he'd be calm and collected against the human wrecking ball?
Also, "I could see him keeping Tyson at range or tying up on the inside..." The only way to keep Tyson at bay was for the opponent to use his body, and to throw meaningful combinations, like Douglas did. I've seen plenty of Wlad fights and have never seen him fight like Douglas did that night. Douglas was taking it to Tyson, while in the process taking some shots of his own. Wlad fights in primarily a defensive pose. Always ready to use his arms to shield him from any dangerous shots. Also, not too many people were successful at tying prime Tyson up on the inside. What makes you think a scared Wlad would've been able to do it? Wlad tried pathetically to tie up against Brewster... and what happened?
I think the "downhill train wreck" is by far the most likely scenario.
Right, feed him your reality of a hypothetical situation....see @ninjaspy3 this is how you become "open minded" by having your own ideas and then having someone say "Yeah, ummmm you're wrong and here's why", this is what TitoFan does just say "You're right, I can't argue with you on this hypothetical situation that'll never happen" because he won't allow you to use your logic and rational, because an "open mind" to him means "his way"....get used to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
pinche boricua
Tucker would give him trouble and Ruddock would definitely be a nightmare for him ... he also had very fast hands and HUGE power ... his power was up there with Tyson's IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Holmes would also be a challenge and Frank Bruno who had an excellent, potent jab who almost took out Lewis, the guy who Wlad is molded after, would be trouble for Wlad.
The Buster Douglas that beat Mike would dispose of Wlad without issue ... I can even see Bonecrusher Smith catching Wlad in the late rounds and getting him in trouble
Wlad would be a journeyman in the Tyson era ... ok fine maybe not a journeyman but just a contender who might pick up a belt or two before Tyson came and did his business
Good words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Respect other fighters.
Tyson still wins though and im not a big tyson fan but i just believe Wlad will turn to jelly in the ring against mike and thats his biggest problem...fear.
Ooooh and Peter McNeeley and Bruce Seldon and Mark Young and Sammy Scaff and David Jaco and Mike Jameson and Steve Zouski....man Zouski was a BEAST a "monstor" for his weight if you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
Mike Tyson was a journeyman in Wlad's era....HA
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Originally Posted by impGood words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Respect other fighters.
Tyson still wins though and im not a big tyson fan but i just believe Wlad will turn to jelly in the ring against mike and thats his biggest problem...fear.
My thoughts exactly. But maybe coming from you, it'll be better accepted by @El Kabong.
From me, it's just sarcasm.
yeah Mike was retired and shot fighting for cash to pay his bills in Wlad's era ... he was still a huge draw even when he was a ghost of his former self.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOoooh and Peter McNeeley and Bruce Seldon and Mark Young and Sammy Scaff and David Jaco and Mike Jameson and Steve Zouski....man Zouski was a BEAST a "monstor" for his weight if you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
Mike Tyson was a journeyman in Wlad's era....HA
Actually Wlad's era started around 2006 after he beat Sam Peter ... Mike was already gone by then
I think Wlad would pick up a belt or two but he'd be in the same class as the guys who were champions in Tyson's era ... maybe a little higher
No, obviously you've studied everything so thoroughly that I will let you create my opinion.....ok, what do I @TitoFan think of this???? Because I'm not able to form ideas of my own, I guess I was too busy with my slaves and stealing money from the working class and snapping the suspenders that hold up my seersucker pantsQuote:
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Originally Posted by impGood words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Respect other fighters.
Tyson still wins though and im not a big tyson fan but i just believe Wlad will turn to jelly in the ring against mike and thats his biggest problem...fear.
My thoughts exactly. But maybe coming from you, it'll be better accepted by @El Kabong.
From me, it's just sarcasm.
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Originally Posted by TysonBombTucker would give him trouble and Ruddock would definitely be a nightmare for him ... he also had very fast hands and HUGE power ... his power was up there with Tyson's IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Holmes would also be a challenge and Frank Bruno who had an excellent, potent jab who almost took out Lewis, the guy who Wlad is molded after, would be trouble for Wlad.
The Buster Douglas that beat Mike would dispose of Wlad without issue ... I can even see Bonecrusher Smith catching Wlad in the late rounds and getting him in trouble
Wlad would be a journeyman in the Tyson era ... ok fine maybe not a journeyman but just a contender who might pick up a belt or two before Tyson came and did his business
My opinion on these fighters vs Wlad:
1. Spinks - Has no business fighting Wlad. Not a true HW, and Wlad would fight bolder. Spinks would be incapable of hurting Wlad and would be too busy protecting himself from Wlad's right hand.
2. Tucker - Would do better than Spinks, but would still lose to Wlad.
3. Ruddock - 60/40 in favor of Razor. Again, Wlad... mindful of Razor's power, would fight scared. All it would take would be one good shot, and it would be "good night Irene."
4. Holmes - Prime Holmes? I hate the guy, but his boxing skills were indeniable. Holmes would box his way to a decision win 80% of the time.
5. Bruno - Two powerful robots facing each other. Probably a repeat of the Sultan fight, with both guys scared of getting hit with the other's big shots. Wlad by boring decision.
6. Douglas - The one that fought Tyson? He'd beat Wlad 9/10 times. Big, strong, fearless. He'd take some Wlad shots to land his own. Any other Douglas version loses to Wlad.
7. Bonecrusher - Too slow. Wlad by decision win.
And no... Wlad wouldn't be a journeyman in Tyson's era. But he would need to stay outside a 5-mile radius of any boxing ring that contained Mike Tyson.
But pssssst..... don't let @El Kabong see this post. I'm just a Wlad hater alias Tyson nuthugger, and all my posts are filled with sarcasm.
OH MY GOD.....that's totally what I think. I mean I was gonna post it but wow....let me just bask in the glow of this post. It might be my favorite post ever because now we totally think alike....ain't that cool??? I mean that is too neat, at the same time you were writing this, I was thinking it....woooooo twilight zone moment, I think I have goosebumps because of it. @TitoFan you, I mean WE are so smart and well thought out and we're right....I totally feel it, do you ;)Quote:
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Originally Posted by TysonBombTucker would give him trouble and Ruddock would definitely be a nightmare for him ... he also had very fast hands and HUGE power ... his power was up there with Tyson's IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Holmes would also be a challenge and Frank Bruno who had an excellent, potent jab who almost took out Lewis, the guy who Wlad is molded after, would be trouble for Wlad.
The Buster Douglas that beat Mike would dispose of Wlad without issue ... I can even see Bonecrusher Smith catching Wlad in the late rounds and getting him in trouble
Wlad would be a journeyman in the Tyson era ... ok fine maybe not a journeyman but just a contender who might pick up a belt or two before Tyson came and did his business
My opinion on these fighters vs Wlad:
1. Spinks - Has no business fighting Wlad. Not a true HW, and Wlad would fight bolder. Spinks would be incapable of hurting Wlad and would be too busy protecting himself from Wlad's right hand.
2. Tucker - Would do better than Spinks, but would still lose to Wlad.
3. Ruddock - 60/40 in favor of Razor. Again, Wlad... mindful of Razor's power, would fight scared. All it would take would be one good shot, and it would be "good night Irene."
4. Holmes - Prime Holmes? I hate the guy, but his boxing skills were indeniable. Holmes would box his way to a decision win 80% of the time.
5. Bruno - Two powerful robots facing each other. Probably a repeat of the Sultan fight, with both guys scared of getting hit with the other's big shots. Wlad by boring decision.
6. Douglas - The one that fought Tyson? He'd beat Wlad 9/10 times. Big, strong, fearless. He'd take some Wlad shots to land his own. Any other Douglas version loses to Wlad.
7. Bonecrusher - Too slow. Wlad by decision win.
And no... Wlad wouldn't be a journeyman in Tyson's era. But he would need to stay outside a 5-mile radius of any boxing ring that contained Mike Tyson.
But pssssst..... don't let @El Kabong see this post. I'm just a Wlad hater alias Tyson nuthugger, and all my posts are filled with sarcasm.
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Originally Posted by El KabongOH MY GOD.....that's totally what I think. I mean I was gonna post it but wow....let me just bask in the glow of this post. It might be my favorite post ever because now we totally think alike....ain't that cool??? I mean that is too neat, at the same time you were writing this, I was thinking it....woooooo twilight zone moment, I think I have goosebumps because of it. @TitoFan you, I mean WE are so smart and well thought out and we're right....I totally feel it, do you ;)Quote:
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Originally Posted by TysonBombTucker would give him trouble and Ruddock would definitely be a nightmare for him ... he also had very fast hands and HUGE power ... his power was up there with Tyson's IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Holmes would also be a challenge and Frank Bruno who had an excellent, potent jab who almost took out Lewis, the guy who Wlad is molded after, would be trouble for Wlad.
The Buster Douglas that beat Mike would dispose of Wlad without issue ... I can even see Bonecrusher Smith catching Wlad in the late rounds and getting him in trouble
Wlad would be a journeyman in the Tyson era ... ok fine maybe not a journeyman but just a contender who might pick up a belt or two before Tyson came and did his business
My opinion on these fighters vs Wlad:
1. Spinks - Has no business fighting Wlad. Not a true HW, and Wlad would fight bolder. Spinks would be incapable of hurting Wlad and would be too busy protecting himself from Wlad's right hand.
2. Tucker - Would do better than Spinks, but would still lose to Wlad.
3. Ruddock - 60/40 in favor of Razor. Again, Wlad... mindful of Razor's power, would fight scared. All it would take would be one good shot, and it would be "good night Irene."
4. Holmes - Prime Holmes? I hate the guy, but his boxing skills were indeniable. Holmes would box his way to a decision win 80% of the time.
5. Bruno - Two powerful robots facing each other. Probably a repeat of the Sultan fight, with both guys scared of getting hit with the other's big shots. Wlad by boring decision.
6. Douglas - The one that fought Tyson? He'd beat Wlad 9/10 times. Big, strong, fearless. He'd take some Wlad shots to land his own. Any other Douglas version loses to Wlad.
7. Bonecrusher - Too slow. Wlad by decision win.
And no... Wlad wouldn't be a journeyman in Tyson's era. But he would need to stay outside a 5-mile radius of any boxing ring that contained Mike Tyson.
But pssssst..... don't let @El Kabong see this post. I'm just a Wlad hater alias Tyson nuthugger, and all my posts are filled with sarcasm.
LMFAO! I have to admit... that was pretty damn funny.
But wait... now who's being sarcastic?
Sarcasm??? You don't believe the genuine nature of this? I'm kind of hurt.....I thought you of all people would understand. I've seen the error of my ways and I'm now Team TitoFan....we're never going to disagree ever again.....unless you disagree with that.Quote:
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Originally Posted by El KabongSarcasm??? You don't believe the genuine nature of this? I'm kind of hurt.....I thought you of all people would understand. I've seen the error of my ways and I'm now Team TitoFan....we're never going to disagree ever again.....unless you disagree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
OMG... you're on a fucking roll, bro.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Hmm... is that just on boxing stuff?
I don't know....what's our opinion on that TitoFan?
Well... we think we should disagree on some specific subjects.
Otherwise, it might get weird.
I think you should tell me when and how I should specifically disagree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Lyle i prefer it when you and Titofan are slagging each other off , its very refreshing.
Certainly you don't believe I should have my own opinion do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by El KabongCertainly you don't believe I should have my own opinion do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I don't agree with that.
There you have it....can't upset him. No opinion for me todayQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongCertainly you don't believe I should have my own opinion do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I don't agree with that.