Take a good look at the Macklin fight, Golovkins ring generalship is first class, cutting the ring off
very clinical gets the job done.
That what makes him dangers, nothing flash just a first class boxer no hype just the real deal.!;)
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Take a good look at the Macklin fight, Golovkins ring generalship is first class, cutting the ring off
very clinical gets the job done.
That what makes him dangers, nothing flash just a first class boxer no hype just the real deal.!;)
Spot on. If Martinez wants a fight before facing Golovkin, then fair enough, but at some point he has to see him. The only way I would ever rationalize him not seeing him is if he got a Mayweather fight, but I doubt that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Unless GBP want to make the Quillin fight who is for him to fight at 160? Martinez won't go near him, who else is a credible opponent?
Other than that he has to move up as Floyd is a nonstarter. I'd like to see him fight Froch. I think that's definitely in my top three fights I'd like to see.
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Originally Posted by RantcatratSpot on. If Martinez wants a fight before facing Golovkin, then fair enough, but at some point he has to see him. The only way I would ever rationalize him not seeing him is if he got a Mayweather fight, but I doubt that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I think Mayweather is the best option for Martinez. It's a big name for Floyd to sell a PPV with ans Martinez is still technically a pound for pound guy. Martinez gets a big final payday, Floyd gets the credit for beating him.
Whether or not he's the real deal doesn't so much matter to me because he's fun to watch and he seems to carry himself like a true man and well he's the anti-Broner. That alone is a big point for Golovkin's.
This is not true what Ryan Coyne saysQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
http://www.boxingscene.com/photo-gen...parring--39852
If 154's are willing to spar him i'm sure any other weight up from that is. However from reading this article it sounds like Doug Fischer said Golovkin was abit too much for Alvarez is a subtle way.
Gym notes: Alvarez, Golovkin worth driving up a mountain to see | RingTV "So the kid isn’t perfect. I was still impressed with what I saw from him because I realize that he was in with a real beast."
Although things have changed for them both since 2011.
Golovkin comes across as that rare type fighter, and probably the only figter that you could compare to Kostya Tsyzu, “His right hand is like a laser beam. It reminds me of Kostya Tszyu’s right. The way he holds his hands also reminds me of Tszyu. Come to think of it, Golovkin kind of looks of like Tszyu. He’s got the same muscle tone, Central Asian facial features and oil-black hair (sans the pigtail).” Its refreshing to see and i think it adds to the Hype. But from what i have seen of this guy, its not impossible to think that he may become one of Boxing all time greats.
I'm starting to become a believer.
Theres no hiding that lil faded Ouma went 11 rounds and Rosado went 7 or so, but Golovkin seems to get you sooner or later.
He was utterly in control with Macklin, a proven fighter, from the opening bell and he has that seek and destroy style much like Matthysse.
Everybody loves a KO puncher so why not?
I worry for Martinez after his last fight, the Martinez who beat Pavlik could handle Golovkin, but now I don't know.
Martinez in his prime would frankly stand no chance of beating GGG,! Sergio is a great light-middle
but hardly a beast at the higher weight.
The Middle weight division, has not been a great division for some time its not littered with top flight
contenders is it,! but I have a feeling its going to get a lot more interesting with Golovkin about.;)
It's just so funny what people believe, HBO now makes most people think Crawford is the best lightweight in a division that has Abril and Vazquez and they have made people think GGG is better than prime Martinez. If he was signed to Golden Boy you would see no hype, truly hype gone insane.
I do not suffer being starstruck by HBO or any one else,! Golovkin is a very good fighter rememberQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
he is a proper Middle-Weight. Look at the fighter not the network, I've seen many fighters through
the years, and it takes a special fighter for me to take interest, GGG is the real deal no Hype no
bullshit. ;)
You think Nathan - never beat a champion - Cleverly is the bollocks too though ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoI do not suffer being starstruck by HBO or any one else,! Golovkin is a very good fighter rememberQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
he is a proper Middle-Weight. Look at the fighter not the network, I've seen many fighters through
the years, and it takes a special fighter for me to take interest, GGG is the real deal no Hype no
bullshit. ;)
Yeppppppppppppppp;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou think Nathan - never beat a champion - Cleverly is the bollocks too though ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoI do not suffer being starstruck by HBO or any one else,! Golovkin is a very good fighter rememberQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
he is a proper Middle-Weight. Look at the fighter not the network, I've seen many fighters through
the years, and it takes a special fighter for me to take interest, GGG is the real deal no Hype no
bullshit. ;)
He looks very good but let's not go overboard here. Let's see him take on some of the better 160lbers first before we start bigging him up as "the man" or the next big thing (if he can get them in the ring that is). Taking out Macklin like that was impressive, but he was only a fringe world level fighter. It's a bit premature to be saying he'd definitely clear out the division and start calling for him to move up and take on the likes of Froch and Ward when he's still got some important fights at 160 to make.
Perhaps we should go a little overboard, his amateur record of 345-5 is something else he
was putting them away in the amateurs, as he does as a pro.
GGG is bring excitement to the division, and hes got people talking and whats wrong with that,!
plus he is very good , don't kid yourselves you NO he is.;)
Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
I was suprised at how relaxed he was in that fight. Some fighters (even big punchers like him) show signs of nervousness when they're on the big stage like that. I didn't see any of that in GGG. Very relaxed, cutting of the ring etc...and he took 2.5 rounds to KO a VERY GOOD fighter. As for who he should fight next...the rumor is they're going for JCC Jr.
At his age and after his injuries Martinez couldn't fairly be expected to last twelve rounds against Golovkin. He gets knocked down in pretty much every fight and at some point against Golovkin he won't get back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
HBO are going to make sure they keep him on their network and Quillin is GBP/Showtime. Highly unlikely that gets made.
I'd back Golovkin to spark Barker, Murray and Geale on the same night and still have change from twelve rounds. Arum won't let Chavez Junior in the same time zone as Golovkin. That leaves Froch and Ward as fights HBO want and can get made. Maybe an HBO fight against a Macklin-level middle or a credible test at 168 to see how he is at the weight and then he fights one of those two guys. I'm guessing. :)
Credit to Macklin in facing him, I can't see the other Champions in any hurry to face him, can you,!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Martinez, Quillin, etc would be dispatched in short order, the talk goes he sparked Quillin in sparring
so I can't see that fight happening.
Barker and Murray well , Barker sparked in 1 round, Murray in about 3 rounds, I don't kid myself
Golovkin is well capable of this feat.!
I dont think Chavez will go near him after what happend in sparringQuote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
You know I also liked seeing from GGG is his class when Macklin tripped. I think twice there were times when GGG could have pounced on Macklin, but chose the road of a true sportsman. It's hard not to like the guy.
I'd back him to beat them all too, but I'd like to see him go out and actually do it. I know it's a cliche, but sports aren't played on paper. It's no good saying he'd beat them all anyway so he may as well not bother. If he can't get them in the ring for whatever reason e.g the reasons you give for the Quillin fight being unlikely then fair enough, move up up. I'd just like to see him try and get these fighters in the ring and clear out 160, or at least knock off a couple more of the top middleweights first. He's looked bloody impressive so far but he has only beaten Macklin really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAt his age and after his injuries Martinez couldn't fairly be expected to last twelve rounds against Golovkin. He gets knocked down in pretty much every fight and at some point against Golovkin he won't get back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
HBO are going to make sure they keep him on their network and Quillin is GBP/Showtime. Highly unlikely that gets made.
I'd back Golovkin to spark Barker, Murray and Geale on the same night and still have change from twelve rounds. Arum won't let Chavez Junior in the same time zone as Golovkin. That leaves Froch and Ward as fights HBO want and can get made. Maybe an HBO fight against a Macklin-level middle or a credible test at 168 to see how he is at the weight and then he fights one of those two guys. I'm guessing. :)
I'd definitely favour Golvokin to beat these guys, I just want to see him actually do it. If they don't want to fight him - Kirk mentioned the GBP/Showtime thing being a barricade to a Quillin fight - then fair enough, there isn't much he can do about that. I'd just like to see him try to prove he's the best at the division before moving up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoCredit to Macklin in facing him, I can't see the other Champions in any hurry to face him, can you,!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Martinez, Quillin, etc would be dispatched in short order, the talk goes he sparked Quillin in sparring
so I can't see that fight happening.
Barker and Murray well , Barker sparked in 1 round, Murray in about 3 rounds, I don't kid myself
Golovkin is well capable of this feat.!
Yeah that was good to see. And when Macklin doubled over he started to throw a shot to the head but backed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Classy operator.
Murray and Barker were in the Sky studio for the Golovkin fight. I'm guessing you saw their reactions after the fight. HBO may well come up with the money to get one of them over to fight Golovkin, Murray would be a good measuring stick as he just fought Martinez and he'll definitely turn up if the money's right but I've never seen two fighters react like they did after that fight. They didn't even pretend to be confident about fighting Golovkin if they got the opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121I'd back him to beat them all too, but I'd like to see him go out and actually do it. I know it's a cliche, but sports aren't played on paper. It's no good saying he'd beat them all anyway so he may as well not bother. If he can't get them in the ring for whatever reason e.g the reasons you give for the Quillin fight being unlikely then fair enough, move up up. I'd just like to see him try and get these fighters in the ring and clear out 160, or at least knock off a couple more of the top middleweights first. He's looked bloody impressive so far but he has only beaten Macklin really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAt his age and after his injuries Martinez couldn't fairly be expected to last twelve rounds against Golovkin. He gets knocked down in pretty much every fight and at some point against Golovkin he won't get back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
HBO are going to make sure they keep him on their network and Quillin is GBP/Showtime. Highly unlikely that gets made.
I'd back Golovkin to spark Barker, Murray and Geale on the same night and still have change from twelve rounds. Arum won't let Chavez Junior in the same time zone as Golovkin. That leaves Froch and Ward as fights HBO want and can get made. Maybe an HBO fight against a Macklin-level middle or a credible test at 168 to see how he is at the weight and then he fights one of those two guys. I'm guessing. :)
BTW I heard Macklin broke a rib. Any truth in that?
I did. "How would you try to beat Golovkin?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
"take a baseball bat." ;D
Murray and Martinez have both said they'll fight him. Murray arguably beat both Sturm and Martinez so would be a good opponent, and while I think everything about Martinez's situation says he should retire, it looks like he'll fight on and he's willing. DiBella didn't sound too keen so we'll have to wait and see on that one. He probably will be avoided by a lot of fighters now, but if he can get them in the ring I'd rather see him stick around at 160 for a little while longer. If he can't then by all means move up - a Froch fight would be hellish - I just like to see fighters try and clean out weight classes before they move up.
Yeah, he said on twitter that the shot cracked a rib and completely winded him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing