Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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Freedom
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IamInuit
Upcoming fights
Hopkins has a fight coming up. He's been in the game for 20 years. Is he volunteering?
Kell Brook has came up injured twice for the same fight and is the next gen. Is he volunteering?
How about Abraham?
And Golovkin?
Froch?
Manny?
Rios?
Groves?
Alexander?
Santa Cruz?
All Sauerland boxers including Abraham whose fights are televised by ARD are given Olympic-style testing (random PED testing). It was written into Sauerland's TV contract with ARD.
Hopkins has refused PED testing in the past. None of the others you mentioned (except perhaps Pacquiao) have been reluctant to do PED testing.
Floyd Mayweather has come forward and had random drug testing, whether his opponents wanted him to or not.
Thats interesting. I wonder if it coincides with Abrahams declime in performances?
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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ross
Thats interesting. I wonder if it coincides with Abrahams declime in performances?
No, he's just faded and never was as good at 168 as he was at 160 because he's too short and lacks reach. Sauerland fighters appearing on ARD TV have had to do random PED testing since at the latest 2007.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
Testing and its acceptance have come a long way. Sauerland, Donaire, ever since Love popped hot for a diarrhetic all of Mayweather promotions does OST 365, hell even Pacman is participating in OST. It has a foothold and the worst thing for its validity is people making it into a sh*$show. Ariza questioning VADA, Montoya questioning USADA, fighters pushing it at press conferences for the spectacle. All of these people can get fu*#ed, they are the enemy. Testing has momentum, fair play has momentum, those that would use something so critical to safety for propaganda are scum.
Maybe that is why Ward says no, he recognizes the evil behind the request as being more significant than the request. If he tests next fight done the proper way I hope everyone that slandered him over this admits their wrong. If he continues to fight without testing he is undoubtedly a suspect as all fighters that refuse are in this era.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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Ron Swanson
Testing and its acceptance have come a long way. Sauerland, Donaire, ever since Love popped hot for a diarrhetic all of Mayweather promotions does OST 365, hell even Pacman is participating in OST. It has a foothold and the worst thing for its validity is people making it into a sh*$show. Ariza questioning VADA, Montoya questioning USADA, fighters pushing it at press conferences for the spectacle. All of these people can get fu*#ed, they are the enemy. Testing has momentum, fair play has momentum, those that would use something so critical to safety for propaganda are scum.
Maybe that is why Ward says no, he recognizes the evil behind the request as being more significant than the request. If he tests next fight done the proper way I hope everyone that slandered him over this admits their wrong. If he continues to fight without testing he is undoubtedly a suspect as all fighters that refuse are in this era.
Are you mental?
As for everyone admitting theyre wrong IF he tests for his fight after this:rolleyes:
Ok, so he can cheat now but as long as he has notice and doesn't do it in his next fight thats ok;)
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
Ward refused to fight in Europe during the Super Six, although everyone else had to travel.
I wonder if he was concerned about the OST testing he'd need to do if he fought Sauerland's Kessler and Abraham in Europe?
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
Are you mental?
As for everyone admitting theyre wrong IF he tests for his fight after this:rolleyes:
Ok, so he can cheat now but as long as he has notice and doesn't do it in his next fight thats ok;)[/QUOTE]
How about we do this like adults without insults or emoticons?
I fully support testing. What I don't support is people using it as a gimmick. It undermines the process. This guy had a chance to request it through the proper process. The process isn't right, it should be on the boxing commissions, but he chose not to do this. He chose to attempt to sully Wards name making a spectacle. Testing is not a head game or a hype source if you believe in it. And people that jump to conclusions of guilt should get real. If everyone is guilty why would they agree? When someone goes about it right and a fighter refuses that is reason to take pause. When someone unfairly sullies your name the general response is resistance.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
Ross, I'm sure this thread is not going to lead to a solution but try to understand how this looks from Ward's perspective at least from this one fight. Rodriguez had 2 negotiations to at least even mention the subject and he chose not to. So he doesn't know how Ward would respond. The first negotiations Team Rodriguez turned down the fight which was his highest payday so they clearly weren't begging or walking on eggshells for the fight. The second negotiation Team Ward chased them and still no mention of random testing by Team Rodriguez. If all any team has to do to get their way is sign the fight first, pick the agency, and call the opponent out for random testing at the fight press conference then everybody could do this and be guaranteed to get their way or make the other guy look suspicious in your eyes. Let me ask you a serious question and be honest bro. Remember Team Rodriguez didn't even merely mention random testing in either of 2 negotiations. Do you really think Rodriguez didn't even mention random testing because he thought Ward would turn down the fight at the mere mentioning of random testing?
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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jehoshaphat
Ross, I'm sure this thread is not going to lead to a solution but try to understand how this looks from Ward's perspective at least from this one fight. Rodriguez had 2 negotiations to at least even mention the subject and he chose not to. So he doesn't know how Ward would respond. The first negotiations Team Rodriguez turned down the fight which was his highest payday so they clearly weren't begging or walking on eggshells for the fight. The second negotiation Team Ward chased them and still no mention of random testing by Team Rodriguez. If all any team has to do to get their way is sign the fight first, pick the agency, and call the opponent out for random testing at the fight press conference then everybody could do this and be guaranteed to get their way or make the other guy look suspicious in your eyes. Let me ask you a serious question and be honest bro. Remember Team Rodriguez didn't even merely mention random testing in either of 2 negotiations. Do you really think Rodriguez didn't even mention random testing because he thought Ward would turn down the fight at the mere mentioning of random testing?
Pacquiao did it with Mayweather, there is a precedent.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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ross
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jehoshaphat
Ross, I'm sure this thread is not going to lead to a solution but try to understand how this looks from Ward's perspective at least from this one fight. Rodriguez had 2 negotiations to at least even mention the subject and he chose not to. So he doesn't know how Ward would respond. The first negotiations Team Rodriguez turned down the fight which was his highest payday so they clearly weren't begging or walking on eggshells for the fight. The second negotiation Team Ward chased them and still no mention of random testing by Team Rodriguez. If all any team has to do to get their way is sign the fight first, pick the agency, and call the opponent out for random testing at the fight press conference then everybody could do this and be guaranteed to get their way or make the other guy look suspicious in your eyes. Let me ask you a serious question and be honest bro. Remember Team Rodriguez didn't even merely mention random testing in either of 2 negotiations. Do you really think Rodriguez didn't even mention random testing because he thought Ward would turn down the fight at the mere mentioning of random testing?
Pacquiao did it with Mayweather, there is a precedent.
Mayweather didn't merely mention it he demanded it or there was to be no fight. The only thing he was willing to negotiation in the first round of negotiations was the cut off point.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
Seems to me that a lot of people are giving Ward a pass for not testing when another boxer did the same thing and was called a cheat.
Ah, love the hypocrisy.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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Originally Posted by
Freedom
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Upcoming fights
Hopkins has a fight coming up. He's been in the game for 20 years. Is he volunteering?
Kell Brook has came up injured twice for the same fight and is the next gen. Is he volunteering?
How about Abraham?
And Golovkin?
Froch?
Manny?
Rios?
Groves?
Alexander?
Santa Cruz?
All Sauerland boxers including Abraham whose fights are televised by ARD are given Olympic-style testing (random PED testing). It was written into Sauerland's TV contract with ARD.
Hopkins has refused PED testing in the past. None of the others you mentioned (except perhaps Pacquiao) have been reluctant to do PED testing.
Floyd Mayweather has come forward and had random drug testing, whether his opponents wanted him to or not.
Vlad AMDITTED to using steroids....you know the saying:
"Once a cheap....always a cheat"
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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generalbulldog
Seems to me that a lot of people are giving Ward a pass for not testing when another boxer did the same thing and was called a cheat.
Ah, love the hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is the air they breath.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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cyclone
Vlad AMDITTED to using steroids....you know the saying:
"Once a cheap....always a cheat"
That's a lie. Wladimir Klitschko has never said anything like that. He's always been willing to take the test.
The mods should ban you for posting false information.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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Freedom
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cyclone
Vlad AMDITTED to using steroids....you know the saying:
"Once a cheap....always a cheat"
That's a lie. Wladimir Klitschko has never said anything like that. He's always been willing to take the test.
The mods should ban you for posting false information.
Hes obviously just confusing the two as it was Vitali who was thrown off the 96 Ukranian olympic boxing team for testing positive.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
Nothing is obvious, they're two different people.
Boxing fans don't get them mixed up.
