How was Jones not great at 175? He went 7 or 8 years as the LHW champ and fought pretty much every worthy challenger outside of Dariusz "I only fight in Germany" Michalczewski (who went on to have his first loss to a guy Roy Jones DOMINATED).
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How was Jones not great at 175? He went 7 or 8 years as the LHW champ and fought pretty much every worthy challenger outside of Dariusz "I only fight in Germany" Michalczewski (who went on to have his first loss to a guy Roy Jones DOMINATED).
Beanflicker, name the sick opposition. Or maybe that was a typo and u meant to write suck opposition, because that would make more sense. So basically the argument is that Despite being the P4P guy and biggest payday around that weight at the time, and numerous guys calling him out, it's EVERYONE ELSE's fault that the big fights weren't made?!? That is a joke. So Oscar was able to fight every big name around him, but poor Roy had circumstances against him. What a joke. Look, the great ones go out of their way to make the fights happen. You guys seem to be new to the sport, so google Roycott. It will inform you as to how bad his quality of competition was.
I think Whitaker is better P4P than Roy. He beat Chavez, McGirt, arguably De La Hoya, and Ramirez.
Pea was way better. The guy cleaned out lightweight. Completely cleaned it out (getting ripped off by Ramirez in the process). He beat a prime Azuma Nelson as part of that dominant run. Again, completely cleaned it out, not one perceived challenger. He then went up to 140 and shut out Rafael Pineda over 12 rounds to pick up a title in the hopes of unifying with Chavez. When Chavez refused he then went up and took on P4P ranked McGirt, picking up the title and enticing Chavez, the #1 P4P to come up and face him. He beat Chavez but was ripped off and handed a draw. Since McGirt said he wasn't 100% Pea have him a rematch and thoroughly dominated him. Pea continued to dominate at 147, despite being small for the weight and battling addiction. He moved up to 154 and defeated the tough Julio Ceasar Vasquez, who was the #2 guy behind Norris. Pea went back down to 147 and continue to decline until he lost a disputed decision to Oscar, who was much larger, younger, in his prime, and ranked P4P at the time. He fought much tougher competition, actively chased the toughest opponents, and cleaned out two divisions he fought in.
Yea but the guys Jones fought were not even close to Spinks and also Spinks never lost to anyone at Lhw Jones was having some serious problems with Montel. Spinks was a one of kind fighter himself as well don't think Jones had much to trouble him because even with speed he had less reach and height. Not to mention Spinks hit like a truck and pretty good timing as well to go with it. Dm lost to the guy jones beat when he was 35 years old almost 36 is Taver better then Jones because he knocked him the fuck out at 36 years of age come on now. Spinks beat everyone in his divsion and when he moved up he didn't fight a belt warmer he beat the Lineal champion for the heavyweight crown which says something Since that was not done in over 77 years guy was champion in both and lineal one at that as well.
Also Dm was the man to unify and be the champ because he did beat Hill before Jones. Dm beat a lot good challengers Lhw and only lost when he hit like 35 or 36 like Jones did so i do not see why that should be a reason that Roy never fought the guy. Do not like how Jones gets a pass when should of fought the best he was a phenom but come on he missed out on a lot of fights and think some of the blame should be on him for not all of it but should hurt his legacy a tad like anyone else.
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Dude was not of this world. It was like he could see into the future during a fight and break it down into micro seconds.
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Also i not saying that the current crop can win but if Montel can take as many rounds as he did off Jones in there first fight which he was winning before the dq i am sure they can get a round. Jones was fantastic fighter but i think he gets way overblown especially when people start saying he could dominant someone like Spinks who i think would most likely beat Jones he being tad over rated. Say what you want but getting iced by Taver and knocked out Johnson even a tad out prime doesn't make me think you can beat every great with ease. Also say what you want but Dm but he was the unified champ before Jones was why did he have to Leave. Then people act like it doesn't matter if they fought because later in his career he lost at 35 to someone Jones beat. Look at how well 36 year old Jones did when got around that age he was getting iced.
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Yeah Roy Jones was one of a kind, an absolute physical and mental freak in the world of sports, and it's a damn shame that people don't appreciate him more.
His only flaw is that he was TOO good. In completely dominating all of his opposition and making them look like complete shit, he gave the world the impression that his opposition WAS complete shit.
People can say he fought shit opposition (anyone who really knows boxing from the 90s knows that isn't true), but ok, assuming he fought no one that could even compare to other past greats at 175, I'll use this analogy: if you go to some college track meet in some small town in Nowhereville, and you see a motherfucker run the 100m in 9 seconds flat but the other guys racing him were running 11s, are you going to disregard the 9 second guy because he was racing against lesser opposition? Of course not!
Even if Roy Jones was fighting soccer moms his whole career, anyone with two eyes and a brain can see that his speed was second to none in the history of boxing P4P (there was nobody Roy's size who was faster in the history of boxing), his reflexes were second to none, his boxing IQ was off the charts, ect ect.
Styles and skill make fights, and Roy's style and skill tears up any of these dudes. Bob Foster was a bad man but he's not touching Roy with that left hook. We're not talking about Dick Tiger or Mike Quarry. Anyway I'll leave it at that!
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I think you have it backwards, pretty much everyone agrees that Roy was a special talent. The argument starts when fanboys try and rewrite history and say that wins over Lou De Valle, Virgil Hill, Tony Thornton, Glenn Kelley...etc. show that all time greats like Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Michael Spinks, and Bob Foster wouldn't stand a chance. Additionally, you lose credibility when you say Roy's competition at 175 was solid and he made them look bad. He fought guys who were part time cops, garbage men...etc. or way past their prime types like Mcallum and Hill.
I will say that Roy had the gifts to give anyone in history problems and score some major wins, but the guy stopped pushing for greatness after Toney and should be the underdog vs true all time greats.