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Floyd's fans can argue as much as they want but the fact that there is an eternal debate over his record alone speaks volumes.

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the only volumes it speaks is that he is the best and people are always going to try and disprove that


don't try and put some deep psycological nonsense on the fact that floyds RECORD being constantly debated proves he isn't that good

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Take it however you want but there really isn't anything psychological about it. People constantly criticize his record because there's reason to. Don't know why you think that means they believe he isn't that good either. If anything its the other way around. Floyd frustrates a lot of people because of how good he actually is yet how unwilling he seems to be towards wanting to raise the stakes and put it on the line. That's why he doesn't get a "fair shake" and cries that no one appreciates him.

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so are you saying it is constantly debated coz its so good?

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No because he is so good yet the whole 0 and "Money" bullshit seems to hold him back from wanting to achieve even more by taking more risks.

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I just thought it strange you not include one fighter from the last 30 years on your list of 10, which made me think you dont rate this generation. I may have been wrong

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Your a good dude Silkey and I'm enjoying the debate ;D I think Floyd could have beaten almost anyone put in front of him in this era :D unfortunately he never fought these fights :(

I would have liked to have seen Floyd clean out 130 against Casamayor and Frietas :D fights with Spadafora and Dorin (over Ndou and Sosa) :) Tszyu at 140 then Hatton :D instead of moving to 147 for Mitchell :confused: challenging Spinks for the championship and avoiding the whole necessity for the Baldomir-Judah situation :( after De La Hoya I would have like him to face Williams or Cotto but he retired when there were still challenges awaiting him (not forced like Leonard with his eyes or Ali with the courts) :-X when he returned he did't fight the best (Pacquiao) like Leonard did against Hagler at middleweight btw :D

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casamayor and frietes never wanted any...nor did Tszyu.

Zoo said he'd fight the best...then chose Hatton;D

Cotto not once tried to get Floyd in the ring back then...he just admitted it before their fight.

"Arum not once mentioned fighting Mayweather"

Cotto said himself he NEVER asked or pushed for the fight.

Williams...lol....never had anything Floyd wanted..if he did he would have easilly taken it.

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Floyd conveniently fought Corley, Bruseles and then Gatti :-\ nice work on targeting the champ :p

Williams had defeated Margarito when Floyd chose to fight Baldomir instead :p Cotto was number 1 and Williams number 2 :)

Like I said earlier Floyd never fought these fights so he can't get credit for them. I agree he would have beaten these guys but actually doing and saying are two totally different things :p

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Floyd's fans can argue as much as they want but the fact that there is an eternal debate over his record alone speaks volumes.

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the only volumes it speaks is that he is the best and people are always going to try and disprove that


don't try and put some deep psycological nonsense on the fact that floyds RECORD being constantly debated proves he isn't that good

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Take it however you want but there really isn't anything psychological about it. People constantly criticize his record because there's reason to. Don't know why you think that means they believe he isn't that good either. If anything its the other way around. Floyd frustrates a lot of people because of how good he actually is yet how unwilling he seems to be towards wanting to raise the stakes and put it on the line. That's why he doesn't get a "fair shake" and cries that no one appreciates him.

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so are you saying it is constantly debated coz its so good?

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No because he is so good yet the whole 0 and "Money" bullshit seems to hold him back from wanting to achieve even more by taking more risks.

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not think fighting canelo was a risk?


who would you think he should fight that would be a risk?


(apart from many)

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Floyd's fans can argue as much as they want but the fact that there is an eternal debate over his record alone speaks volumes.

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the only volumes it speaks is that he is the best and people are always going to try and disprove that


don't try and put some deep psycological nonsense on the fact that floyds RECORD being constantly debated proves he isn't that good

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Take it however you want but there really isn't anything psychological about it. People constantly criticize his record because there's reason to. Don't know why you think that means they believe he isn't that good either. If anything its the other way around. Floyd frustrates a lot of people because of how good he actually is yet how unwilling he seems to be towards wanting to raise the stakes and put it on the line. That's why he doesn't get a "fair shake" and cries that no one appreciates him.

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so are you saying it is constantly debated coz its so good?

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No because he is so good yet the whole 0 and "Money" bullshit seems to hold him back from wanting to achieve even more by taking more risks.

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not think fighting canelo was a risk?


who would you think he should fight that would be a risk?


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After the Trout fight when everybody saw how badly Canelo needed to be set in order to punch most people on this forum including myself pretty much wrote him off vs Floyd. The Manny fight loses more lustre every year that goes by and because of styles that hurts Manny more - hats off to Floyd. I'd like to see Floyd at least let Maidana use whatever gloves he wants instead of acting like a demanding tranny. Then I'd like to see him fight GGG and Quillin.

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Floyd's fans can argue as much as they want but the fact that there is an eternal debate over his record alone speaks volumes.

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the only volumes it speaks is that he is the best and people are always going to try and disprove that


don't try and put some deep psycological nonsense on the fact that floyds RECORD being constantly debated proves he isn't that good

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Take it however you want but there really isn't anything psychological about it. People constantly criticize his record because there's reason to. Don't know why you think that means they believe he isn't that good either. If anything its the other way around. Floyd frustrates a lot of people because of how good he actually is yet how unwilling he seems to be towards wanting to raise the stakes and put it on the line. That's why he doesn't get a "fair shake" and cries that no one appreciates him.

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so are you saying it is constantly debated coz its so good?

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No because he is so good yet the whole 0 and "Money" bullshit seems to hold him back from wanting to achieve even more by taking more risks.

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not think fighting canelo was a risk?


who would you think he should fight that would be a risk?


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After the Trout fight when everybody saw how badly Canelo needed to be set in order to punch most people on this forum including myself pretty much wrote him off vs Floyd. The Manny fight loses more lustre every year that goes by and because of styles that hurts Manny more - hats off to Floyd. I'd like to see Floyd at least let Maidana use whatever gloves he wants instead of acting like a demanding tranny. Then I'd like to see him fight GGG and Quillin.

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fighting GGG an quillin would certainly show he has the balls


don't you think that's being a bit unreasonable? he has come up from the lower weights hasn't he?


who should he have fought (within reason) when he fought canelo?


he will make it easy against maidana next time

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Floyd's fans can argue as much as they want but the fact that there is an eternal debate over his record alone speaks volumes.

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the only volumes it speaks is that he is the best and people are always going to try and disprove that


don't try and put some deep psycological nonsense on the fact that floyds RECORD being constantly debated proves he isn't that good

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Take it however you want but there really isn't anything psychological about it. People constantly criticize his record because there's reason to. Don't know why you think that means they believe he isn't that good either. If anything its the other way around. Floyd frustrates a lot of people because of how good he actually is yet how unwilling he seems to be towards wanting to raise the stakes and put it on the line. That's why he doesn't get a "fair shake" and cries that no one appreciates him.

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so are you saying it is constantly debated coz its so good?

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No because he is so good yet the whole 0 and "Money" bullshit seems to hold him back from wanting to achieve even more by taking more risks.

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not think fighting canelo was a risk?


who would you think he should fight that would be a risk?


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After the Trout fight when everybody saw how badly Canelo needed to be set in order to punch most people on this forum including myself pretty much wrote him off vs Floyd. The Manny fight loses more lustre every year that goes by and because of styles that hurts Manny more - hats off to Floyd. I'd like to see Floyd at least let Maidana use whatever gloves he wants instead of acting like a demanding tranny. Then I'd like to see him fight GGG and Quillin.

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Qullian and GG are middleweights.

GG has fought enough smaller fighters...it's time for old dude to take some risks..

He won his vacant title from a shot 154lber.

If Mayweather is required to fight MW's then GG and Quilla should fight some light heavies.

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I just thought it strange you not include one fighter from the last 30 years on your list of 10, which made me think you dont rate this generation. I may have been wrong

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Your a good dude Silkey and I'm enjoying the debate ;D I think Floyd could have beaten almost anyone put in front of him in this era :D unfortunately he never fought these fights :(

I would have liked to have seen Floyd clean out 130 against Casamayor and Frietas :D fights with Spadafora and Dorin (over Ndou and Sosa) :) Tszyu at 140 then Hatton :D instead of moving to 147 for Mitchell :confused: challenging Spinks for the championship and avoiding the whole necessity for the Baldomir-Judah situation :( after De La Hoya I would have like him to face Williams or Cotto but he retired when there were still challenges awaiting him (not forced like Leonard with his eyes or Ali with the courts) :-X when he returned he did't fight the best (Pacquiao) like Leonard did against Hagler at middleweight btw :D

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casamayor and frietes never wanted any...nor did Tszyu.

Zoo said he'd fight the best...then chose Hatton;D

Cotto not once tried to get Floyd in the ring back then...he just admitted it before their fight.

"Arum not once mentioned fighting Mayweather"

Cotto said himself he NEVER asked or pushed for the fight.

Williams...lol....never had anything Floyd wanted..if he did he would have easilly taken it.

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Floyd conveniently fought Corley, Bruseles and then Gatti :-\ nice work on targeting the champ :p

Williams had defeated Margarito when Floyd chose to fight Baldomir instead :p Cotto was number 1 and Williams number 2 :)

Like I said earlier Floyd never fought these fights so he can't get credit for them. I agree he would have beaten these guys but actually doing and saying are two totally different things :p

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Williams nowhere on the scene when Floyd fought Baldomir...fool.

Cotto and Arum didn't want Mayweather...stumpy.

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I just thought it strange you not include one fighter from the last 30 years on your list of 10, which made me think you dont rate this generation. I may have been wrong

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Your a good dude Silkey and I'm enjoying the debate ;D I think Floyd could have beaten almost anyone put in front of him in this era :D unfortunately he never fought these fights :(

I would have liked to have seen Floyd clean out 130 against Casamayor and Frietas :D fights with Spadafora and Dorin (over Ndou and Sosa) :) Tszyu at 140 then Hatton :D instead of moving to 147 for Mitchell :confused: challenging Spinks for the championship and avoiding the whole necessity for the Baldomir-Judah situation :( after De La Hoya I would have like him to face Williams or Cotto but he retired when there were still challenges awaiting him (not forced like Leonard with his eyes or Ali with the courts) :-X when he returned he did't fight the best (Pacquiao) like Leonard did against Hagler at middleweight btw :D

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casamayor and frietes never wanted any...nor did Tszyu.

Zoo said he'd fight the best...then chose Hatton;D

Cotto not once tried to get Floyd in the ring back then...he just admitted it before their fight.

"Arum not once mentioned fighting Mayweather"

Cotto said himself he NEVER asked or pushed for the fight.

Williams...lol....never had anything Floyd wanted..if he did he would have easilly taken it.

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Floyd conveniently fought Corley, Bruseles and then Gatti :-\ nice work on targeting the champ :p

Williams had defeated Margarito when Floyd chose to fight Baldomir instead :p Cotto was number 1 and Williams number 2 :)

Like I said earlier Floyd never fought these fights so he can't get credit for them. I agree he would have beaten these guys but actually doing and saying are two totally different things :p

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Williams nowhere on the scene when Floyd fought Baldomir...fool.

Cotto and Arum didn't want Mayweather...stumpy.

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So Mayweather wasn't offered the fight with Margarito? For 8m but chose to fight Baldomir instead leading to Williams-Margarito.

Mayweather avoided Cotto and signed for a pointless rematch with De La Hoya

Another guy who hasn't been mentioned is Wright. Apparently Floyd pulled out at the last minute

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So Mayweather wasn't offered the fight with Margarito? For 8m but chose to fight Baldomir instead leading to Williams-Margarito.

Mayweather avoided Cotto and signed for a pointless rematch with De La Hoya

Another guy who hasn't been mentioned is Wright. Apparently Floyd pulled out at the last minute

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Winky Wright? That's news to me.

There's a bit more to the Margarito thing than people bring up.

Anyone who remembers or can be bothered to do research would know that Arum set the Marg/Mayweather fight for August, no if's, and's or but's. It was August 12th, or it was nothing. The date was set in stone, Arum just needed to build a fight card for it.

Floyd had injured his right hand fighting Zab Judah in April and told Arum that there was no way he could be ready to fight by August. Arum, who already had that date booked for a card, said "ok then", used the date to stage the Maskaev/Rahman rematch, and Margarito signed on to fight Clottey later in the year. So Floyd never turned down Margarito, he turned down the date. And it's not like he turned down Margarito then fought someone else in that time period: he didn't fight Baldomir until November. So AT LEAST get your facts straight.

That's also the time that Mayweather bought out his contract from Arum. Floyd wanted the Cotto and Hatton fights at that time, but he wanted a guarenteed 10 million purse, whereas Arum would only give him 7 million. Also, Arum wasn't interested in making the PBF/DLH showdown. So Floyd bought out his contract, took the fight with Baldomir and waited for the DLH showdown that made him a ton of money and pushed him over the edge as a mainstream star.

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So Mayweather wasn't offered the fight with Margarito? For 8m but chose to fight Baldomir instead leading to Williams-Margarito.

Mayweather avoided Cotto and signed for a pointless rematch with De La Hoya

Another guy who hasn't been mentioned is Wright. Apparently Floyd pulled out at the last minute

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Winky Wright? That's news to me.

There's a bit more to the Margarito thing than people bring up.

Anyone who remembers or can be bothered to do research would know that Arum set the Marg/Mayweather fight for August, no if's, and's or but's. It was August 12th, or it was nothing. The date was set in stone, Arum just needed to build a fight card for it.

Floyd had injured his right hand fighting Zab Judah in April and told Arum that there was no way he could be ready to fight by August. Arum, who already had that date booked for a card, said "ok then", used the date to stage the Maskaev/Rahman rematch, and Margarito signed on to fight Clottey later in the year. So Floyd never turned down Margarito, he turned down the date. And it's not like he turned down Margarito then fought someone else in that time period: he didn't fight Baldomir until November. So AT LEAST get your facts straight.

That's also the time that Mayweather bought out his contract from Arum. Floyd wanted the Cotto and Hatton fights at that time, but he wanted a guarenteed 10 million purse, whereas Arum would only give him 7 million. Also, Arum wasn't interested in making the PBF/DLH showdown. So Floyd bought out his contract, took the fight with Baldomir and waited for the DLH showdown that made him a ton of money and pushed him over the edge as a mainstream star.

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My facts are straight son ;) spin it how you want. Floyd was injured or whatever and brought out his contract. I've never said once on this thread that Floyd ducked anyone :p all most posters are saying is that there are fights that he needed to have that would have increased his legacy and his claims as TBE :p

The fact is he never fought Margarito :p I know Floyd probably didn't want to work with Arum but what better way to get one up than to beat his guys :confused:

As for the Wright fight:

Sports: Wright-Mayweather bout is off as talks break down

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The fact is he never fought Margarito :p

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Yeah, but you're implying that Floyd avoided him, when in reality Floyd turned down the date, not the fight.

For the sake of the Thread.. Let's say everyone was at fault except for Mayweather on the opponents he hasn't faced... With that being said the end result is still the same... There are a lot of names that he never faced and when discussing an ATG, we have to look at the big picture. He most likely would've beaten them all, but it didn't happen that way. In his era, probably the best - But not for All Time. Too many question marks.

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There are a lot of names that he never faced and when discussing an ATG, we have to look at the big picture. He most likely would've beaten them all, but it didn't happen that way. In his era, probably the best - But not for All Time. Too many question marks.

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So what is the conclusion? Because he never fought Manny, 18 years of undefeated boxing including 16 years as a champ means nothing?

I think it's pretty hypocritical to produce a list of 3-4 guys who Floyd never fought and say "look, he never fought these guys so there's too many question marks around his career to rank him".

Then, in the same breath, we bring up ye olde timers who fought in a time where we KNOW you didn't get your shot unless you agreed to play ball with the mob, we KNOW guys were discriminated against and missed their shots because of the colour of their skin, we KNOW that access to information was in the stone age compared to now so guys could easily be buried and never heard from if they weren't connected... and we talk like the old timers fought every threat they could have? If you believe that, you're living in a fantasy world and you don't know your boxing history.

Read Jake Lamotta's book. Read "Somebody Up There Likes Me" by Rocky Graziano. There was a PLETHORA of young, mean black fighters that nobody would touch - including connected black fighters like Sugar Ray Robinson.

Jake Lamotta himself said that a lot of these guys (some of whom Jake had to fight because he wouldn't play ball with the mob) would have handed the champions of the time their ass in the ring, but would never get the chance because they weren't connected and they weren't the right colour. For a guy who had been in the ring with the great SRR 6 times to say that, that carries some weight.

People don't want to hear shit like that thought. They want to put on their rose-coloured glasses and look back at the old days of boxing when men were men and they fought only the best competition, because they're undying love for boxing mandated that they never avoid anyone and never take an easy fight for the money.

It's pure idiocy.

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The fact is he never fought Margarito :p

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Yeah, but you're implying that Floyd avoided him, when in reality Floyd turned down the date, not the fight.

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Read my post #79 on this thread :) I'm not implying Floyd avoided him it's just a fight I would have liked to see, just like Casamayor at 130, Tszyu at 140, Margarito, Williams or Cotto at 147 :)

Floyd claims to be TBE :p fights against the likes of these guys could have proven that ;D

He never cleaned out a division, never fought the best at 140 (Tszyu) HBO and Showtime were probably the main cause, but that hasn't affected other fighters from rival networks working something out :-\ he retired when there were challenges for him to face :mad: when he came back he didn't fight the best in his division (Pacquiao) or jump up 2 weights like Leonard did. Hell Robnson ought LaMotta weighing 144 pounds ;D

Look the fact is he beat the top guys in 130 and 135 then at 147 he beat the top guys at the time. At 154 he beat Cotto, Ginger and Hoya top guys at that weight class one the mw champ now. When he came back he beat Jmm with ease same guy who went on to get robbed against pac then knock him out. Mayweather is atg not the greatest but a atg anyone who thinks others wise is a tool and knows nothing of boxing. You do not have to have him as the greatest but to say he is not a atg means you should pack your shit and look for a new sport to watch.

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Look the fact is he beat the top guys in 130 and 135 then at 147 he beat the top guys at the time. At 154 he beat Cotto, Ginger and Hoya top guys at that weight class one the mw champ now. When he came back he beat Jmm with ease same guy who went on to get robbed against pac then knock him out. Mayweather is atg not the greatest but a atg anyone who thinks others wise is a tool and knows nothing of boxing. You do not have to have him as the greatest but to say he is not a atg means you should pack your shit and look for a new sport to watch.

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Mayweather is a Hall of famer not an all time great ;D I struggle to see him breaking the top 25 if not 30 :p

To resort to the old "you know nothing about boxing" is just sad :eek: and forums are meant for debating the sport right :confused: you have opinion, I have an opinion. But debate like an adult son ;)

I honestly fell if you can not bring Mayweather into your top 30 then you boxing knowledge is lacking or you see old timers through rose tinted glasses. I am not a fan of Mayweather but he is best fighter of these decade been champ from 130 to 154 and was ring champ at 130, 135, 147, and 154. I mean do you not consider anyone from the past 15 or 20 years a atg i mean lets be real Mayweather has been the top guy for a while dude it is not really debatable. To be a champ for so long with out being defeated is task in it self i mean look at Pac he is a atg but lost big time and had bigger gifts in his career then Mayweather ever did. Tell me who on gods green earth do you consider atg from the past 20 years if not Mayweather. I not trying to be a dick i argue with beanflicker where he places him all the time but Mayweather is at least in the top 30 range i feel safe in saying that.

There's two similar threads making the rounds: Floyd's resume, and Wlad's resume.
If we took a poll of 1,000 people (excluding blind fanboys), I'd reckon there'd be at least 995 of them who would rather defend Floyd's resume. I'd be one of them.

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there's two similar threads making the rounds: Floyd's resume, and wlad's resume.
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Look the fact is he beat the top guys in 130 and 135 then at 147 he beat the top guys at the time. At 154 he beat Cotto, Ginger and Hoya top guys at that weight class one the mw champ now. When he came back he beat Jmm with ease same guy who went on to get robbed against pac then knock him out. Mayweather is atg not the greatest but a atg anyone who thinks others wise is a tool and knows nothing of boxing. You do not have to have him as the greatest but to say he is not a atg means you should pack your shit and look for a new sport to watch.

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Mayweather is a Hall of famer not an all time great ;D I struggle to see him breaking the top 25 if not 30 :p

To resort to the old "you know nothing about boxing" is just sad :eek: and forums are meant for debating the sport right :confused: you have opinion, I have an opinion. But debate like an adult son ;)

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What do you mean? top 25 or 30 of all time? Surely that makes him an ATG then?

I consider Floyd one of the best 25 - 30 fighters ever. And as I've said throughout this thread he is a fantastic fighter who could have beaten almost everyone around his weight in this era ;) I think he is a first ballot hall of famer :D I think he is among the best ever but not among the top 10 all time greats ;)

Unfortunately for one reason or another he missed fighting some of the best fighters in his divisions at there best/ peaks :mad:

That is where the issue lies :( without fighting these guys there is no real proof what may have occurred :o no matter what we say we don't know for sure. Look at his struggle with Castillo, arguably a loss, he arguably could have been disqualified against Judah :rolleyes:

I remember reading recently @cyclone talking up Russell like he was the next coming of Robinson :-X and we all saw what happened there. That is why they say "they fight the fights" :D

Unlike Leonard and Hearns or Whitaker and Chavez Floyd failed to face to face Pacquiao when it mattered :( Not blaming either guy but others of the past have managed to get it done :-X

I've mention the Wright fight falling apart at the last minute :( Floyd was going to move from 140 to 154 to face Wright who had just beaten Trinidad and would be coming down from 160 :o a move like that would have been amazing and something the Pretty Boy of 130 and 135 would have done ;)

I had defended Mayweather's record after he moved from 135 for years but when he choose to retire instead of pushing to get the Cotto fight done and came back against a lightweight instead of facing the guy considered the best in the weight and the number one P4P I'd had enough :mad:

What if Floyd faced Andrade, Lara if he beats Canelo, Cotto at MW, or Danny Garcia?

When did anyone here say he was top 10 i said he was a atg you said he was not atg now you are saying he is top 25 or 30. The highest i can give Mayweather is top 15 lost i can give is 30 i do not think anyone said he was top 10 in these thread. My number 10 is Leonard i don't see Pac or Mayweather going there or past him really. Reason being Leonard is just as skilled as Mayweather i think more offensivly skilled and better resume also Pac can't really touch Leonards resume either so thats what keeps them out of the top 10 for me.

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When did anyone here say he was top 10 i said he was a atg you said he was not atg now you are saying he is top 25 or 30. The highest i can give Mayweather is top 15 lost i can give is 30 i do not think anyone said he was top 10 in these thread. My number 10 is Leonard i don't see Pac or Mayweather going there or past him really. Reason being Leonard is just as skilled as Mayweather i think more offensivly skilled and better resume also Pac can't really touch Leonards resume either so thats what keeps them out of the top 10 for me.

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I said he is one of the best ever (top 25 to 30) never said he was an all time great. I consider the all time greats those among the top 10 :) If your going to push it out further then where do you stop :confused: top 50? Top 100? top 1,000? :confused:

I think a sport that has been around over a 100 years and has a lot of eras can have a top 50 being the cut off. When most do a list like ring or espn it is a top 100 list. This sport has been around for a fucking long time if you reach the top 30 you can be called a atg i think that is perfectly logical.

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I think a sport that has been around over a 100 years and has a lot of eras can have a top 50 being the cut off. When most do a list like ring or espn it is a top 100 list. This sport has been around for a fucking long time if you reach the top 30 you can be called a atg i think that is perfectly logical.

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I'm not faulting your opinion I'm just telling you what I consider an all time great ;) like I've said all along - Floyd was/ is amazing and certain fights would have left no doubt about his brilliance ;D

Think about how we would view Ali if after his forced layoff he came back but never fought Frazier :confused: Leonard if he had never fought Hearns and instead moved up :confused: Whitaker if the Chavez fight was never made :confused:

To be fair the only one on that level is Pac that would of gotten him there. I mean Mosley took a vacation and Oscar during his prime years didn't give Mayweather the time of day. Hell Cotto just achieved being the ring champ lineal champ he never did that and Mayweather beat him clearly few years ago.

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To be fair the only one on that level is Pac that would of gotten him there. I mean Mosley took a vacation and Oscar during his prime years didn't give Mayweather the time of day. Hell Cotto just achieved being the ring champ lineal champ he never did that and Mayweather beat him clearly few years ago.

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Agreed that facing Pacquiao upon his return would have strengthened his legacy :D but I also think the Wright fight would have significantly made things undeniable :D just image Floyd stepping up from 140 to face Wright who had just defeated Trinidad and was going to move down in weight to 154 for the bout ;D that would have been an impressive challenge :) I also believe fighting the Cotto of 07/ 08 or Margarito instead of retiring wouldn't have left such a bad taste in so many fans' mouths :-\

I also think Casamayor around 00/ 01 would have been a significant scalp leading up to Corrales :cool:

Trying to make Spadafora or Dorin instead of Sosa and Ndou would be more valuable :cool:

Tszyu then Hatton at 140 :cool:

Move to 147 to take Spinks' championship, then defending against Margrito :cool:

Retire and come back to face Pacquiao, then challenge Martinez for the middleweight championship :cool:

I know network rivalries and promoter differences prevented many of these fights but that's whats frustrating as that sort of record would give credibility to Floyd's claims as TBE or the GOAT ;)

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What if Floyd faced Andrade, Lara if he beats Canelo, Cotto at MW, or Danny Garcia?

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Danny Garcia is the most pointless fight for Floyd to take. Hes a plodder that Mayweather has no problems with and is also probably smaller so not going to be stronger then Floyd, would be the biggest bitch move by Floyd in his career if he was to fight him. Porter or Thurman are the guys he should be fighting if he is going to give a young guy a shot.

Is Floyd in a relationship with Justin Bieber?

They call those kind of relationships between a middle-aged man and a teen aged boy pederasty. Here's Floyd and Bieber before his last fight getting massaged together:

Floyd Mayweather and Justin Bieber get massages and pedicures (May 3, 2014) - Bad Left Hook

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Originally Posted by cnote111

There are a lot of names that he never faced and when discussing an ATG, we have to look at the big picture. He most likely would've beaten them all, but it didn't happen that way. In his era, probably the best - But not for All Time. Too many question marks.

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So what is the conclusion? Because he never fought Manny, 18 years of undefeated boxing including 16 years as a champ means nothing?

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Sorry for the late reply...

The conclusion is he has left us with too many ?'s to be tagged the TBE, and the ATG Title is a perspective on how many do you want to include in the list... Hall of Famers the list will go on and on..> But an ATG the line has to be drawn somewhere. Top 5, Top 10 - How many do we allow to be included in this list? Maybe when he retires and time creates perspective we may see a shift in opinion.

I had a look at floyds record again and I am now of the opinion that he ducked manny

This shitting on Floyd's lodge pole is getting a little old. Antiquated to a level prior to compost. You know, objectivity shouldn't make you choke. I cant stand the dandy but that's not relevant when taking about pugilism itself. I probably would have thought Robinson was a prick also. Fact of the matter is, Floyd is the Robinson, Leonard of his era and empirical evidence supports that assertion. Sure he's slipped and had a few minor bumps in the road but so did those other two. Sure he may have not have fought a few guys depending on ones opinion but again so did the other two. People forget that this guy has been fighting for close to 20 freakin years and has been a dominant fighter and star for about 15 getting hit clean less then Pep, Locche or Whitaker. And that's just the D side. Incredible hand speed, punch selection and footwork. Best check right hook I have ever seen and since his domination of Hernandez has been the cream of the crop in every division he fought in. And to top it off, now he is paying his opponents guaranteeing I hope a much better future.

Look if people are going to continue to find fault in Floyd's resume by saying things like he should have fought Forbes across thee interweb or captain cast then chuck out an name and I'll kick the shit out of their resume.

I agree with @IamInuit


I only said he ducked many to try and tempt someone into a debate


I cant be arsed anymore tho