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Well sure I'm not about to get into this one...
Social media sucks, bringing up a generation of retards who are unable to speak to each other in the real world.
Once again I can think of too many fighters who brought their ass the whole of the game. Like Arguello vs Pryor. They fought harder in 14 rounds than most guys do in 4 rounds. Salvador Sanchez vs Azumah Nelson another example. There are a lot of stinkers that have gone on 15 or 12 rounds, but boxing fans. Hardcore fans not fans of an era or fans of this guy. But fans of boxing KNOW some of the greatest fights happened during the era of the 15 rounders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Well Slim, you actually did answer your own question here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeModern opponents are heavier and more explosive and would wear out a nostalgic boxer much faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbusthell yeah three more rounds to show off his ballerina skillsQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Notice this statement can only be made to one division thus the knowledge here is :7 weight class-deficient. Unless we look at the extra 10 divisions added on in the past 20 or so years.
Oh, wait a modern Welterweight is much more lean in muscle mass, with his general nutrition centers at your local shopping mall. While those old Neanderthal Welterweight just aren't as toned, they don't have the modern techniques, the modern whey protein and creatine.
Obviously a 1960's MW would never compare with a modern day MW. Today's MW are totally bigger, stronger, smarter and more uh...athletic. Yeah that's it! More uh, athletic.
With that being said; the Jetsons' Astro would slaughter the Flintstones Dino. Dino is prehistoric, Astro is a scientific canine.
A MW today IS approximately 15lbs heavier on fight night AND much leaner too so all up we're talking a difference of about 25lbs or 2 or 3 divisions.
Thanks to the 24 weigh rule yes, but their is a downside to that. See Brandon Rios vs Murray. Per his trainer Robert Garcia dude plumped up 20lbs, slowed him down. See Chavez Jr who blew up beyond 20lbs in 24 hours...he had health issues over that.
See the 1990's Michael Moorer could gain 10-15lbs then come in as a CW vs a LHW that shit is unfair. That's why he left the LWH division 22-0 22KO's helluva an advantage.
Even if we completely disregard weight when discussing limited divisions and strictly compare fighters cross eras who are the same size on fight night, the performance of the modern fighters over 12 rounds is FAR more explosive than before to the point it isn't debatable.
Ray Robinson had 108 & was explosive from bell 2 bell. Henry Armstrong 100 knockouts, Archie Moore 130 knockouts. These guys had dynamite in their hands that never softened over a bout.
Oh, wait..:o I guess fighters of the past didn't have the well trained conditioned chins next?:rolleyes:
12 rounds is simply a superior figure for a boxing match over 15 beyond any doubt.
Ten-Count for Jose Sulaiman - Boxing.com
Thank Jose for that. It was a move to benefit his ABC belt org. 15 round championship fights were reduced to 12 rounds for his benefit. Weigh-ins before fights were pushed back 24 hours for his benefit not the fighters and dang-tootin' sure not for the fans. & of course the 8 weight classes were spread out like manure in a field. Then add on those fagtastic catch weight fights. I mean why do like Armstrong and fight ...& win 3 different weight classes -without ballooning up in 24 hours and catchweighting his way to the Hall of Fame.
The ONLY thing relevant is that championship level fights are long enough for tactical boxing plans to play out (like wearing down the body etc), for which purpose, 12 rounds is AMPLE long enough.
I have no problem with 12 rounds fights, but I have a problem with fans who don't know the history of why it came to be. Only you -yourself can say if you knew this- or even if it matters to you. This is totally my opinion, nothing more.
Other than that, the longer a fight goes for, the more it is simply an endurance and a pacing game and the less it is an explosive event. Longer=weaker.
Ten-Count for Jose Sulaiman - Boxing.com
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Slim one of your comments sticks out to me here..
The one about Robinson and Moore etc with 100+ KO's on their record, flat strap from bell to bell and dynamite in their fists...
Tell THAT to Manny Pacquiao (regarding workrate)
Tell THAT to Gennady Golovkin (regarding dynamite)
And as for the 100 KO's, the reason is the same as for WHY they could perform as they did perform...
They fought opposition so abysmally poor, hardly any if any of them would ever step foot in a boxing ring with a top rated professional, let alone not get knocked out well within 12, let alone 15!
Obviously nobody could have so many fights against good opposition.
I remember on a few occasions you responded to others that if they havent watched/viewed ALL the fighters opponents over thousands of them, then they shouldnt claim to know. Psst; practice what U preach. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Well Slim...Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeI remember on a few occasions you responded to others that if they havent watched/viewed ALL the fighters opponents over thousands of them, then they shouldnt claim to know. Psst; practice what U preach. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
That WAS actually what I considered one of my "smoking gun" arguments..
And I suppose you're right.. I also am not immune to that philosophy.
I'll shut up for now. Because from there on as you will tell me if I continue, it's only my opinion (with regards to modern training methods, skills, athleticism etc), I stand by it, I can see it! We KNOW of some methods now which have replaced old.
But statistically there's only really the weight argument, and if we adjust for real weight in lower divisions, then we're only really talking about HW.
Well done.
smoking gun? The only thing max power is smoking is gun.
15=darkness, misery and boredomQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
12=enlightenment, joy, and interest
14=twilight, fear and eerinessQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed15=darkness, misery and boredomQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
12=enlightenment, joy, and interest
13=happiness, intrigue and entertainment
AskQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust14=twilight, fear and eerinessQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed15=darkness, misery and boredomQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
12=enlightenment, joy, and interest
13=happiness, intrigue and entertainment
brocktonblockbust
Darkness, misery, and boredom.☔️
beenKOed
Enlightenment, joy, and interest.☀️
AnswerQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedAskQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust14=twilight, fear and eerinessQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed15=darkness, misery and boredomQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
12=enlightenment, joy, and interest
13=happiness, intrigue and entertainment
brocktonblockbust
Darkness, misery, and boredom.☔️
beenKOed
Enlightenment, joy, and interest.☀️
beenKOed
Twilight & Fear
brocktonblockbust
Happiness & Entertainment
LOL! I guess I'm too willing to go 15 posts (rounds) As far as some new methods replacing old: U R right. Obviously, something has to improve within the game-to that you ensure we old geezers objectively view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerWell Slim...Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeI remember on a few occasions you responded to others that if they havent watched/viewed ALL the fighters opponents over thousands of them, then they shouldnt claim to know. Psst; practice what U preach. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
That WAS actually what I considered one of my "smoking gun" arguments..
And I suppose you're right.. I also am not immune to that philosophy.
I'll shut up for now. Because from there on as you will tell me if I continue, it's only my opinion (with regards to modern training methods, skills, athleticism etc), I stand by it, I can see it! We KNOW of some methods now which have replaced old.
But statistically there's only really the weight argument, and if we adjust for real weight in lower divisions, then we're only really talking about HW.
Well done.
Well done Max Power.
I'd be more interested in them simply because it ends in an odd number of rounds as opposed to 6-6??? I just think guys would adjust accordingly with addition of 3 rounds. Maybe a couple more feel out rounds in beginning and it had a lot to do with network timelines also. I don't think had the Holmes-Norton or Holyfield-Qawi 1 late firefights been 12 rounders they would have lacked any of the intensity or action with respects to the level of those fighters and what they did with time they had.
Agreed. Obviously no right or wrong answer, but I am stumped as how any boxing fan would have a problem watching their favorite sport for an additional 3 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I wonder if a porn watcher thinks 1 1/2 hrs is enough, now this 2 dvd porn set...just too much time to yank.
Ali vs Bonavena 15th round- Both fighters trading shots, Ali stands firm and lands a crushing left. Gr8 15th round...Only champions rise to this level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-WbreC13w Bonavena 46-6 lost to top HW's Zora Foley, Jimmy Ellis & Joe Frazier 2x- never stopped, until Ali.