Karl Mildenberger ~ 'I Had The Formula To Beat Cassius Clay'

Thursday ~ September 1, 1966

Frankfurt, Germany

~ Cassius Clay, Repeats Same Old Phrase ~ "I May Retire" ~

Cassius Clay >
"You better be ready when I fight Mildenberger. It may be my last fight. It will be a rough
and tough fight, and I may lose."

"This German is a much better fighter than my last opponent {Brian London}. That fight
was more an exhibition than a Championship Bout. This fight is for real."

"If I lose, I will retire and become a full-time Minister for my Black Muslim religion."

Cassius spent the day working out in a Frankfurt gym, as he did a series of exercises
before sparring 3-Rounds each, with Jimmy Ellis and James J. Woody.

British Heavyweight, Jack Bodell {a southpaw} is expected to arrive shortly.

Tuesday ~ September 5, 1966

~ Cassius Clay Chopping Wood, Plans To Take Down Mildenberger, One Chop At A Time ~

Cassius Clay seen here fiercely chopping away at a tree in he woods outside Frankfurt, Germany
said he plans to chop down German Challenger - Karl Mildenberger with one-swing 'chop' at
a time.

The Champion has been working on his straight right-hand, and said he wants to show off
his new power on Saturday Night, September 10th.

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Sunday ~ September 4, 1966

~ Fastest Opponent That Cassius Has Ever Faced ~

Challenger - Karl Mildenberger has his hopes on 'speed'. The southpaw German is
going to use a cautious approach, and fast-hands in his effort to 'upset' the Champion
Cassius Clay.

The 28 year-old Mildenberger is a heavy underdog, with some Odds set at {10-1}. But
many feel that the fast-boxing southpaw may have just enough hand-speed to neutralize
the lightning-quick Champion.
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Karl Mildengerger >

"I'm the fastest guy he as ever faced. He knows it, and I know it. If he tries to move and
box, he will be met by fast right-hand counters. If he moves in close, he will be on the
receiving end of my fast left-hand leads."

The word here, as many have watched each fighter in 'open' sparring sessions, is that
Mildenberger is fast, but he is nowhere near as fast as the Champion.

On the other hand, Mildenberger has only scored '17' Knockout in his '49 wins. So he
can box, and knows how to win by Decision.

But, his lack of power may not be able to keep the Champion away. As Clay has proven
that he can take a solid punch, and come back fairly quickly.

Kalr Mildenberger is familiar with American boxers, and has never lost to a 'Yank' in
'24-Bouts, as he gone 21-0-3 in those bouts. But the Champion is on another plane {level}.
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A Spokesman for the Champion >

"Look, Cassius is so fast, that he will make the quick German look cumbersome. We don't
expect the bout to go longer than the 5th Round."

"If Mildenberger is still there in Round 6, well then we'll have to admit that he is a better
fighter than we expected."

September 1966

~ Max Schmeling ~ 'Give Karl A Chance' ~

Former Heavyweight Champion - Max Schmeling says that the critics should lay
off Karl Mildenberger and give him a chance.

Max Schmeling >

"When I went over to American to face Joe Louis the 1st-Time, nobody gave me
a chance. Well, I say that we should give Karl a chance first, before we start
criticizing him."

"Karl is a good boxer, and though he does not punch hard, he still has good boxing
skills, enough to go unbeaten against '24' other Americans."

"I have seen Clay fight before, and he is very fast. But when you are moving around
the Ring in high-speed, you can lose some of your power. That fast-style may work
against him and become a weak-point, because he can't hit as hard as when you are
flat-footed."

"I've told Karl to be patient, and not to go over-board in trying to impress the home
country supporters. He has to fight his own fight, and forget about trying to be a Hero."

Wednesday ~ September 7, 1966

~ Mildenberger Plans To Give Clay A Fight That He'll Never Forget ~

Karl Mildenberger is out to give the Champion something he's never had before
as Champion, a real fight in the Ring.

The usually quiet and reserved Mildenberger, has been on-edge lately, as very few
in the Boxing Press have given him a chance at defeating Cassius Clay.

Mildenberger, who has worked hard in Training, was boxing solidly on Tuesday
Morning, as he went '5-Rounds' with Dutch Light-Heavyweight Champion -
26 year-old - Bas Van Duivenbode, a quick-moving and aggressive 5' 11" 170 lb.
fighter with a record of 16-8-4 {6 KO's}.

The German also took on one-time Ring foe, in veteran 29 year-old American Heavyweight
'trail-horse' the 6' 4" tall Billy Daniels. The fighters were involved in a 'smash-hit' 3-Round
session.

Following that, Mildenberger took a brisk 1-Hour walk up into the Taunus Mountains. And
then returned by running back at a steady-pace.

Karl Mildenberger >

"I have had it up to here with people criticizing me. I have been boxing as a Professional
since October 1958 {8-Years}, and I have only lost '2' of my 54-Bouts. What more do they
want. I have earned a Championship bout, and expect to do well."

"Nobody is giving me a chance. Yes I'm mad."

"I have put together a fight-plan, and as long as I follow it, I will do well. I will not chase
Clay and make foolish swings at him while he is fleeing. I will make him come to me.
If he does, I will have something for him."

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Bill, what sort of scanner do you use please?
Im up for a new one, your looks like its well up for the job.

Thursday ~ September 8, 1966

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Joe Louis >

"I think this German fellow is a nice guy, but he has no idea of how to fight. He is a southpaw,
but he seems like he;s not sure on whether he wants to box right-handed or left-handed."

"When he moves he squares up, and leaves himself wide open. And he pushes his punches, as
there is no snap in them. If he fought me back when I was Champion, he would be lucky to
get past the 3rd-Round."

"I'm sure he will give Clay some trouble. Clay cant punch like me, as he's a 'slappy chap'. I
think it will take Clay about 7 or 8 Rounds to figure this guy out, and then out-box him
for a few Rounds to wear him down."

"I'll take the Champion by a 10th Round Knockout."

Thursday ~ September 8, 1966

~ Former World Champion - Joe Louis Steps In Between Champ Clay and Challenger Mildenberger ~

Joe Louis >

"I think this German fellow is a nice guy, but he has no idea of how to fight. He is a southpaw,
but he seems like he's not sure on whether he wants to box right-handed or left-handed."

"When he moves in he squares up, and leaves himself wide open. And he pushes his punches, as
there is no snap in them. If he fought me back when I was Champion, he would be lucky to
get past the 3rd-Round."

"I'm sure he will give Clay some trouble with his style. You see, Clay cant punch like me, as he's
a 'slappy-chappy'. I think it will take Clay about 7 or 8 Rounds to figure this guy out, and then
he'll out-box him for a few Rounds to wear him down."

"I'll take the Champion by an 11th Round Knockout."

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Why an 11th round KO? Would he tire by the 15th?

Friday ~ September 9, 1966

~ Cassius Clay To Defend Against Karl Mildenberger ~

Championship Bout to be held at the Waldstadion outdoor stadium.

An estimated 50,000 fans are expected to attend the Saturday Night World Heavyweight
Championship bout between Champion - Cassius Clay and Challenger - karl Mildenberger.

The Champion is the heavy betting-favorite at {10-1}, but many feel that the southpaw
Challenger may give Clay some trouble in this bout.

Clay, who is undefeated, is making his 6th Title defense, and 3rd here in Europe this year.

Mildenberger has won 49 of 54 bouts, and has not lost in 4 1/2 years.

The Champion will receive a Fight Purse guarantee of 50% against $250,000 of the Gate
Receipts, as well as all ancillary rights for the broadcast to America, as well as 50% of the
European ancillary rights.

Karl Mildenberger will 15% of the Gate Receipts, and 15% of the European ancillary rights.


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Friday ~ September 9, 1966

~ Common Opponent Predicts Rough Night For Mildenberger ~

Billy 'The Barber' Daniels, a 29 year-old 6' 4" tall and lanky Heavyweight from New York
predicts a rough night for German Challenger - Karl Mildeberger.

Billy, who was brought over here to Frankfurt 2-Weeks ago by the Challenger's Manager
Bruno Mueller, has been in Mildenberger's Camp as the chief sparring partner.

Billy Daniels >

"I know that I'm supposed to be in Karl's Camp as a supporter, but he has little chance
in defeating Cassius. Don't get me wrong, Karl is a decent fighter, but he does not hit
hard enough. And he makes too many mistakes in the Ring, like dropping his left-hand
and walking straight in."

"Karl is a southpaw, but his squared up stance almost makes him a right-handed fighter.
He is in right in front of you, and he's open for straight right-hands down the middle. If
he stayed back and used his right-jab with his left-handed stance, he would have a much
better chance with Cassius."
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Billy 'The Barber' Daniels >

Billy is now a 29 year-old 'Trial-Horse' Heavyweight with a record of 20-14-1 {10 KO's}.
The 6' 4" and 192 lb. lanky boxer from New York City was at one-time a highly--touted
Heavyweight in May 1962, with an undefeated record of 16-0-0 with {7 KO's}.

On May 19, 1962 > Billy {Age; 24 1/2} battled the young and also undefeated 20 year-old
Cassius Clay 13-0-0 with {10 KO's} in a Nationally Televised bout between 'two' Heavyweight
prospects. In a very competitive and entertaining bout, Billy was stopped {L TKO 7} by a
badly cut left-eye.

But, Billy was impressive in that bout, and had Clay 'groggy' and stunned on '3' separate
occasions.

A year-and-a-half later on November 29, 1963 > Billy was in Germany battling Karl Mildenberger
in a key Heavyweight bout between two Top 10 fighters. Billy was ranked at #9 with a record
of 18-4-0 {9 KO's}, and Mildenberger was ranked at #10 with a record of 38-2-1 {13 KO's}.

In a 'shocker' Mildenberger put Billy down and out in Round 3 with a single thunderous left-hook
to the body.

It was the 1st-Time that Billy had ever been floored, or stopped in his career.

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Saturday ~ September 10, 1966

~ Boxing Experts make Their Predictions ~

Joe Louis >
"Clay should do it within 6 Rounds, but he doesn't punch that hard. I think it take him awhile
to do it, probably 11 Rounds."

Max Schmeling >
"I think Karl will surprise many people. He has looked good in Training, and is much better than
he was 6-Months ago. But I still think the Champion will stop him late. Probably in Round 13."

Sonny Liston >
"Oh Geez. This fight will end early, and I mean very early. Clay should do it in 3-Rounds. If he
doesn't, they should take his belt away."

Ingemar Johansson >
"Mildenberger isn't that good. He's terrible. I would have him out of there in 3-Rounds. Clay
may take longer because he doesn't punch hard. I'll say 7 Rounds."

Joe Frazier {1964 Olympic Champion and Heavyweight Contender} >
"That lefty is both fast and tricky. This will not be as easy a fight for Clay as he thinks. It will
go at least 10 Rounds. But Clay will stop him before the 15th. I'll pick Round 13."

Ernie Terrell {WBA Champion} >
"I'm not really interested in watching comedy shows. This bout is another joke, just like the
Brian London bout. If I have to choose, it is obviously Clay. Probably by the 7th Round.
The German wouldn't last 4-Rounds with me."

Cleveland Williams {Contender and scheduled to fight Cassius Clay next} >
"Well I'll be pulling for Clay, because I'm signed to fight him next. I'm sure Clay will win,
and it will probably take him 8 Rounds. But I hope that Mildenberger takes something
out of him."

Henry Cooper {British Heavyweight}>
"I think it will be a good fight for as long as it lasts. Karl is a game fighter, but he's not a
big puncher. It should be a good fight for 7 or 8 Rounds, before Clay decides to end it.
I'll say Round 10, it won't go much longer than that."

September 10, 1966

~ Tale Of The Tape ~

.............................. Cassius Clay ................... Karl Mildenberger ...........

Rank ...................... World Champion .............. #2 WBA / #5 Ring Magazine

Age ......................... 24 years, 8 months ......... 28 years, 10 months
Height ..................... 6' 2 1/2" ......................... 6' 1 1/2"
Weight .................... 205 lbs. .......................... 195 lbs.
Reach ...................... 79" ................................ 74"
Chest {Normal} ......... 42 1/2" ......................... 44"
Chest {Expanded} ..... 44 1/2" ......................... 47"
Neck ........................ 17 1/2" .......................... 17"
Waist ....................... 34" ................................ 34"
Biceps ...................... 15" ................................ 16"
Fist .......................... 13" ................................ 13"
Thigh ....................... 25" ................................ 23"
Calf .......................... 17" ............................... 18"
Record ..................... 25-0-0 {20 KO's} ........... 49-2-3 {17 KO's}

Stance .................... Orthodox ........................ Southpaw
Style ....................... Boxer-Puncher ................ Aggressive-Boxer

~ Pre-Fight Predictions ~

Cassius Clay >

"I plan to come out quickly, and test him right away. I will fight aggressive, and back
him up. With these southpaws, you can't let them take the lead, as their style is
uncomfortable to counter."

"I expect that he'll try to impress the crowd, and be aggressive. We are fighting in his
country, so that his aggression is to be expected. But, he'll leave himself open some time,
and I will strike."

Cassius Clay predicts a 5th Round Knockout.
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Karl Mildenberger >

"I think that I can match him in speed, and that is what I will use. I will back him up by using
many right-jabs, followed by straight left-hands to his body. If I can back him up, I'll win."

"I won't chase him, but I will be aggressive. If I can take him out his rhythm during the first
4-Rounds, he will start to panic. He's a front-runner, and if I can take a few of the first
few Rounds, he will have to fight instead of boxing and dancing."

Karl Mildenberger predicts a 15-Round Decision win.

August 1966 'World Ratings'


...................Ring Magazine ...........WBA.......

Champion .... Cassius Clay ........... Ernie Terrell
#1 ............... Ernie Terrell ........... Zora Folley
#2 ............... Doug Jones ............ Doug Jones
#3 ............... Thad Spencer ......... Amos Lincoln
#4 ............... Karl Mildenberger .... Karl Mildenberger
#5 ............... Henry Cooper ......... Thad Spencer
#6 ............... Zora Folley ............. Floyd Patterson
#7 ............... Amos Lincoln .......... Eduardo Corletti
#8 ............... George Chuvalo ...... Elmer Rush
#9 ............... Floyd Patterson ....... Amos Johnson
#10 ............. Cleveland Williams ... George Chuvalo

~ Final Tune-Ups ~

Wednesday ~ September 7, 1966

Sandy Petrescu's Downtown Gym ~ Frankfurt, Germany

Cassius Clay opened up the 'Final Day' of his Training Camp by hitting the Heavy-Bag
for 2-Rounds.

The Champion then went '2' Slam-Bang Rounds with British Heavyweight - Jack Bodell,
and then '2' brisk Rounds with American Heavyweight - James J. Woody.

Both sparring-partners are southpaws, but the fast-handed Champion was sharp, as he
landed jarring left-hooks and solid straight right-hands on both sparring-mates.

An altercation developed at the Gym, as ABC-TV wanted to broadcast the final-day
sparring-session, but Gym owner {Sandy Petrescu} wanted a fee of {$16,000} for
a paid priveledge to broadcast the sparring-sessions.

Manager - Angelo Dundee said that if ABC-TV was not allowed in to broadcast the session,
he and the World Champion would walk out.

ABC-TV and gym owner Sandy Petrescu worked out a more amicable payment.

After the 2-Hour work-out session, the Champion went outside the Gym and along the street,
and signed autographs for nearly 4500 fans. The Champion charged $1.00 for his signature.

Angelo Dundee {Trainer} >
"We're ready. The next punch that Cassius throws will be in the Ring."

Cassius Clay >
"I have to be careful with southpaws. But it won't take me that long to get adjusted. Maybe
3 or 4 Rounds, then I'll figure out his timing. All I have to do is circle to my right instead of my
left. It won't be a problem."
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Challenger - Karl Mildenberger spent his 'Final Tune-Up' by boxing '4' Rounds with American
Heavyweight - Billy Daniels.

Karl looked very sharp in one if his most impressive sparring-sessions with Billy Daniels. The
German exhibited fast right-hand jabs and excellent movement.

Bruno Mueller {Manager} >
"I am most satisfied with Karl. He has worked hard, and has steadily improved. He's ready.
All we have to do is keep Clay busy, but not by chasing him. By waiting to counter him."

Karl Mildenberger >
"I'm still not where I want to be. But the fight is in 3-Days, and I can't get anymore hard
sparring in. I'll probably shadow-box 4-Rounds tomorrow, and then do some stretching
exercises for the next 3-Days."

7 unanswered posts... If this was a boxing match you'd have been TKOd.

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What is the question.......... ?

I assumed there was a point to all of these tangents?

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Yes, there is. To give you something to do, like following this thread........:D

Fight Promoters > Joachim Gottert and Harry Levene

Fight to held at the Waldstadion in Frankfurt, otherwise known as the Forest Stadium.

Seating Capacity > 80,000

A 'projected' crowd of 50,000 to 60,000 was expected. But a few days before the bout, only
33,000 Tickets were sold.

But a late-rush on Thursday and Friday pushed the ticket sales to 45,000.

Tickets were priced from > $75.00 to $6.25.

Special 'bleacher tickets' were offered to any Military person for $5.00.

A projected Gross was listed at $750,000.
* Cassius Clay was to receive $500,000 {estimate}.
* Karl Mildenberger was to receive $100,000 {estimate}.

Cassius Clay was listed as a {10-1} Betting-Favorite.
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Special Instructions >

* Angelo Dundee requested {demanded} a 20' x 20' Ring, instead of the standard 18' x 18' European size Ring.

* Angelo Dundee requested {demanded} a second Ring Round timekeeper.
Note; This was to make sure no mistakes were made in the time, as in the Karl Mildenberger - Dave Bailey controversial bout.

* The '3' Knockdown Rule was in effect.

* No 'kidney punches'.

* A fighter cannot be saved by the Bell, only in Round 15.

* Scoring Rules as by NYSAC. {By Rounds, with supplemental points}.

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This is a great thread.

Fight Night

Both former Champions - Max Schmeling {1st} and Joe Louis {2nd} were introduced to thunderous roars.

Also, the great German Light-Heavyweight - Gustav 'Bubi' Scholz was introduced to load cheers.

Then Challegner - Karl Mildenberger was introduced, and the Waldstadion {outdoor stadium}
in Frankfurt of 50,000 spectators of erupted with cheers of 'Milde, Milde'.

Then it was the Champion - Cassius Clay, who was greeted with load cheers as well.

Referee Teddy Waltham {United Kingdom] was the Third-Man in the Ring, and called out both
fighters and their cornermen for instructions.

The Champion was wearing white trunks with red-stripes, and white boxing shoes.

The Challenger was also wearing white trunks, but with black stripes, and black boxing shoes

The Champion would have en edge in; Height {1"}, Reach {5"} and Weight {10 lbs.}

Working the Champion's corner, would be Angelo Dundee and Assistant Trainer - Enrique Richay

Working the Challenger's corrner would be Bruno Mueller, and Assistant Trainer - Herbert Kleinwaechter.

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Yeah Paxtom is kind of like a running history lesson on boxing.

Strange fella....

But quality poster.

~ Round 1 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring.
0:03 > Mildenberger sticks out his right-glove in a good Sportsmanship gesture.
0:04 > Cassius does not acknowledge the gesture, and circles away to his right.
0:06 > Cassius immediately goes to circling-and-dancing.

0:12 > Mildenberger is pressing, and forcing the fight.
0:18 > Mildenberger scores with a stiff right to the mid-section.
0:25 > Mildenberger scores with '2' right-jabs to the head.
0:26 > Cassius moves to the back-left Ropes.

0:29 > Cassius moves out, and to his right to the front Ring area.
0:49 > The action moves to Center-Ring.
0:51 > Mildenberger lands with a stiff left-hand.
0:51 > Cassius counters with a quick right-hand to the head.

1:29 > Cassius is missing with everything he throws, as Mildenberger easily ducks the long-range punches.
1:33 > Mildenberger scores with '3' pecking right-jabs to the head, forcing Cassius to lean back and move.
1:37 > Mildenberger lands with a 'double' right-hand, driving Cassius to the back Ropes.
1:47 > The fighters exchange while at the back Ring area.

1:50 > With his back to the back Ropes, Cassius catches Mildenberger with a jarring right-hand to the head.
1:53 > Mildenberger takes a step back, but re-groups and moves forward.
2:01 > Mildenberger maintains his forward movement, and his making the fight as he forces Cassius to the front Ring area.
2:04 > Cassius lands with a quick 'left-right'.

2:11 > Mildenberger backs up for the 1st-time in the Round, and moves backwards to the left-side Ropes.
2:13 > Cassius steps in, and misses with a big right-hand swing.
2:15 > Cassius backs up to Center-Ring.
2:17 > Cassius is missing with his punches.

2:24 > Mildenberger is showing good movement, as he moves in-and-out, while at the left side Ring area.
2:26 > Cassius misses with '2' left-hands.
2:30 > Cassius catches Mildenberger with a 'glancing' right-hand to the head.
2:33 > Mildenberger scores with '3' pecking right-jabs to the face, as he backs up Cassius to the right-side Ring area.

2:34 > The Waldstadion fans 'erupt' with roars.
2:36 > Mildenberger lands with a solid 'right-left' to the mid-section.
2:37 > Cassius backs up to the front-center Ring area.
2:41 > Cassius lands with a quick right-hand lead to the chin which 'rocks' Mildenberger back a step.

2:43 > Mildenberger backs up to the back-right Corner.
2:44 > Cassius is following Mildenberger in.
2:48 > Cassius loads up, but 'misses' with a right-left.
2:50 > Cassius backs up to Center-Ring, as Mildenberger moves out.

2:52 > Cassius circles 180* around Mildenberger, and fires with a lightning-fast 'right-right-left' to the head.
2:54 > Mildenberger is 'stung' and moves to the front-center Ropes.
2:56 > Cassius tries a right-hand to the head, but the punch is blocked.
3:00 > Bell

Round 1 ......... Cassius Clay

Mildenberger had the Round won, until Cassius put a charge in over the last 20-Seconds.

Rounds 1-12....

Another so called "prime" Clay fight that proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that Cassius Clay at this time would have posed absolutely no threat to any modern boxers.

And further a proof of the complete farcity of the amazing Ali "reflexes".

I remember at one point, Mildenberger was pasting that fucker too but I haven't seen it for years now and forget the round.

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Just like you. :vd:

listen up people Bill is like an encyclopedia of Boxing and I have quite enjoyed reading about all the venues of these past fights. Knowing the attendance and the referee and the names of the judges and the way the judges score the fight . this is excellent information and I appreciate it. I also like knowing about who the handlers of the fighters were and he has also quite accurately posted the various purses of each fighter. He is also an invaluable resource of the top 10 rankings for any particular year. it's good stuff for any boxing aficianado.

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listen up people Bill is like an encyclopedia of Boxing and I have quite enjoyed reading about all the venues of these past fights. Knowing the attendance and the referee and the names of the judges and the way the judges score the fight . this is excellent information and I appreciate it. I also like knowing about who the handlers of the fighters were and he has also quite accurately posted the various purses of each fighter. He is also an invaluable resource of the top 10 rankings for any particular year. it's good stuff for any boxing aficianado.

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Well if he makes up another false quote or hangs shit on Ali like saying he wants to buy a ticket for his funeral one more time; you and walrus will have to deal with him personally and read his shit instead of being in here cause he is on his second warning and we dont give out three.

@bill Paxton please try to leave out death wishes and cruel remarks about brain damage and just keep up the statistical angles on boxing that you have been doing so excellently with.

@Bill Paxtom

Did Bill really say that stuff.. And I though you were psycho brock lol

I remember bill said that stuff about wanting Alli to have head trauma or something like that but that was a long time ago. I recently saw it mentioned on another board that he had said that and certain people had not been aware that he had said that. I guess he is now getting a warning for it for the second time but to be honest I have not seen him write any of that cruel stuff for quite a long time now

During Round 1,

Mildenberger realized that he could 'easily' reach the Champion with right-hands to the
mid-section.

But Cassius found out fairly quickly, that Karl was open for quick right-hands over the top,
as he kept his left-hand low when he moved forward.

Round 1 was a good action session.

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~ Round 2 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring
0:04 > Both exchange jabs, Cassius fires a left, and Mildenberger fires a right.
0:07 > Cassius backs up to the right Corner.
0:08 > Cassius wings a right-hand lead.

0:09 > Mildenberger counters with a straight right.
0:12 > Cassius circles 180* to the left side of the Ring.
0:14 > Cassius misses with '2' left jabs.
0:18 > Mildenberger is pressing hard.

0:30 > Cassius is dancing on his toes, and is moving fast along the front-center Ring area.
0:32 > Cassius circles 360*.
0:35 > Mildenberger paws with '2' right-jabs to the head.
0:43 > Cassius lands a light 'left-right' to the face of Mildenberger who is still pressing.

0:49 > Cassius lands a left-jab, as Mildenberger counters with a fast right-jab to the face.
0:53 > Mildenberger lands a good 'right-left' to the head, driving Cassius to the front-center Ropes.
0:58 > Mildenberger lands a 'jarring' right-hand to the Champion's chin, which snaps his head.
0:59 > Cassius backs up into the front-right Corner.

1:07 > Cassius is bopping up-and-down, but he is not punching.
1:09 > Mildenberger lands a good 'left-right' into the Champion.
1:11 > Cassius moves back into the front-right Corner.
1:12 > Mildenberger moves in.

1:12 > Cassius grabs and hold Mildenberger's neck.
1:13 > Mildenberger digs '2' hard left-hands into the Champion's belly.
1:16 > Cassius circles out of the Corner.
1:18 > Referee - Teddy Waltham warns Cassius for 'holding' and locking his left-arm over Mildenberger's neck.

1:20 > Both fighters are at Center-Ring.
1:23 > Mildenberger fires in a 'right-right-left' to the body.
1:24 > Cassius backs up to the back-right Corner.
1:25 > The Champion looks befuddled by the southpaw Challenger's attack.

1:26 > Cassius grabs and holds as Mildenberger moves in.
1:27 > Mildenberger lands a good left-hand to the mid-section.
1:28 > Cassius gets out of the back-right Corner.
1:29 > Mildenberger lands a solid 'right-left' to the body as Cassius is along the back-center Ropes.

1:30 > Cassius back-pedals fast to the left side of the Ring.
1:32 > Mildenberger is relentlessly chasing the Champion.
1:33 > Mildenberger lands a 'right-left' to the face.
1:34 > Cassius counters with a fast right-hand to the left side of Mildenberger's face.

1:40 > Cassius goes back to circling, as he looks confused by the 'fast-and-hard' pressing German.
1:46 > At Center-Ring, Cassius is missing with everything he throws.
1:48 > Mildenberger is easily avoiding the Champion's punches by ducking and weaving.
1:53 > Both exchange light 'one-two' punches.

1:55 > Cassius 'finally lands', as he scores with '2' light left-jabs to the face.
2:03 > Mildenberger steps forward with an awkward charge, but lands with '4' pecking right-jabs to the face.
2:04 > Cassius is driven into the front-center Ropes,
2:06 > Cassius 'misses' with a big sweeping right-hand.

2:08 > Mildenberger 'misses' with a counter straight left-hand.
2:10 > Mildenberger is still pressing hard, but he has his hands low.
2:17 > Cassius moves to Center-Ring, and is dancing while flicking punches.
2:27 > Cassius steps forward, and lands a good 'left-right' to the Challenger's chin.

2:34 > Both exchange jabs.
2:45 > Cassius is still missing, and misses with another 'left-right'.
2:50 > Mildenberger is still moving in.
2:51 > Cassius misses with another 'left-right'.

2:54 > Mildenberger digs with a right-hand to the body.
2:55 > Mildenberger lands with a lead left-hand.
2:57 > Cassius lands with a short right-hand to the head.
3:00 > Bell

Round 2 > Clearly for Karl Mildenberger.

@Max Power look at the gorgeous body of Ali. ;)

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

~ Round 2 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring
0:04 > Both exchange jabs, Cassius fires a left, and Mildenberger fires a right.
0:07 > Cassus backs up to the right Corner.
0:08 > Cassius wings a right-hand lead.

0:09 > Mildenberger counters with a straight right.
0:12 > Cassius circles 180* to the left side of the Ring.
0:14 > Cassius misses with '2' left jabs.
0:18 > Mildenberger is pressing hard.

0:30 > Cassius is dancing on his toes, and is moving fast along the front-center Ring area.
0:32 > Cassius circles 360*.
0:35 > Mildenberger paws with '2' right-jabs to the head.
0:43 > Cassius lands a light 'left-right' to the face of Mildenberger who is still pressing.

0:49 > Cassis lands a left-jab, as Mildenberger counters with a fast right-jab to the face.
0:53 > Mildenberger lands a good 'right-left' to the head, driving Cassius to the front-right Corner

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Holy cow, now we are getting second by second breakdowns, this shit gets better everyday.

or ridicuous depending on your perspective

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

~ Round 2 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring
0:04 > Both exchange jabs, Cassius fires a left, and Mildenberger fires a right.
0:07 > Cassius backs up to the right Corner.
0:08 > Cassius wings a right-hand lead.

0:09 > Mildenberger counters with a straight right.
0:12 > Cassius circles 180* to the left side of the Ring.
0:14 > Cassius misses with '2' left jabs.
0:18 > Mildenberger is pressing hard.

0:30 > Cassius is dancing on his toes, and is moving fast along the front-center Ring area.
0:32 > Cassius circles 360*.
0:35 > Mildenberger paws with '2' right-jabs to the head.
0:43 > Cassius lands a light 'left-right' to the face of Mildenberger who is still pressing.

0:49 > Cassius lands a left-jab, as Mildenberger counters with a fast right-jab to the face.
0:53 > Mildenberger lands a good 'right-left' to the head, driving Cassius to the front-center Ropes.
0:58 > Mildenberger lands a 'jarring' right-hand to the Champion's chin, which snaps his head.
0:59 > Cassius backs up into the front-right Corner.

1:07 > Cassius is bopping up-and-down, but he is not punching.
1:09 > Mildenberger lands a good 'left-right' into the Champion.
1:11 > Cassius moves back into the front-right Corner.
1:12 > Mildenberger moves in.

1:12 > Cassius grabs and hold Mildenberger's neck.
1:13 > Mildenberger digs '2' hard left-hands into the Champion's belly.
1:16 > Cassius circles out of the Corner.
1:18 > Referee - Teddy Waltham warns Cassius for 'holding' and locking his left-arm over Mildenberger's neck.

1:20 > Both fighters are at Center-Ring.
1:23 > Mildenberger fires in a 'right-right-left' to the body.
1:24 > Cassius backs up to the back-right Corner.
1:25 > The Champion looks befuddled by the southpaw Challenger's attack.

1:26 > Cassius grabs and holds as Mildenberger moves in.
1:27 > Mildenberger lands a good left-hand to the mid-section.
1:28 > Cassius gets out of the back-right Corner.
1:29 > Mildenberger lands a solid 'right-left' to the body as Cassius is along the back-center Ropes.

1:30 > Cassius back-pedals fast to the left side of the Ring.
1:32 > Mildenberger is relentlessly chasing the Champion.
1:33 > Mildenberger lands a 'right-left' to the face.
1:34 > Cassius counters with a fast right-hand to the left side of Mildenberger's face.

1:40 > Cassius goes back to circling, as he looks confused by the 'fast-and-hard' pressing German.
1:46 > At Center-Ring, Cassius is missing with everything he throws.
1:48 > Mildenberger is easily avoiding the Champion's punches by ducking and weaving.
1:53 > Both exchange light 'one-two' punches.

1:55 > Cassius 'finally lands', as he scores with '2' light left-jabs to the face.
2:03 > Mildenberger steps forward with an awkward charge, but lands with '4' pecking right-jabs to the face.
2:04 > Cassius is driven into the front-center Ropes,
2:06 > Cassius 'misses' with a big sweeping right-hand.

2:08 > Mildenberger 'misses' with a counter straight left-hand.
2:10 > Mildenberger is still pressing hard, but he has his hands low.
2:17 > Cassius moves to Center-Ring, and is dancing while flicking punches.
2:27 > Cassius steps forward, and lands a good 'left-right' to the Challenger's chin.

2:34 > Both exchange jabs.
2:45 > Cassius is still missing, and misses with another 'left-right'.
2:50 > Mildenberger is still moving in.
2:51 > Cassius misses with another 'left-right'.

2:54 > Mildenberger digs with a right-hand to the body.
2:55 > Mildenberger lands with a lead left-hand.
2:57 > Cassius lands with a short right-hand to the head.
3:00 > Bell

Round 2 > Clearly for Karl Mildenberger.

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Side Note;

Both Joe Louis and Max Schmeling scored Round 2 for Karl Mildenberger.

its really amazing how you got access to both schmeling and Louis's scorecards. Were they actually judges or just sitting at ringside?