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That is very cynical if not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Doesn't this make you a hypocrite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
First -- you moan and groan because you don't like a particular fight. Second -- you're denigrating fans, many of whom wont share your opinion about what makes a good fight, for "accepting" what you believe is crap, yet here you are tuning in to watch.
Thurman a little overrated, Collazo a little underrated. Par for the course in this game.
I thought the exact same thing. Assuming that's his woman and not his sister, retirement won't be so bad...Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yes she could be his sister as she did have the same features.Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepwalkerI thought the exact same thing. Assuming that's his woman and not his sister, retirement won't be so bad...Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
One Time Thurman RULES
Thurman was having a bit of a hard time, but he won would not be surprised he's Floyd next
opponent, Floyd will spank him on this performance.;D
That body shot Thurman took to the liver was a mark of a quality and determined fighter.
Most fans thoughts - Khan beat Collazo therefore Collazo is shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I told you guys Collazo was not "weak opposition", he's always been top quality. Just because he had trouble dealing with Khan's speed didn't mean he was a bum.
Thurman could have easily pulled a Deontay Wilder and fought some guy with 10 KO losses on his record so he could go out there, blow him out in a few rounds and look like superman. He could have pulled a Danny Garcia and fought a Rod Salka-type opponent.
Instead he chose a veteran southpaw who was only stopped once 13 years ago, and has a long history of either upsetting world class opposition or giving them tough, close fights.
Well hes chasing the Mayweather fight so not really an option to handpick a bum. In saying that beating Collazo shouldnt get you into contention to fight Mayweather.
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Originally Posted by FensterDoesn't this make you a hypocrite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
First -- you moan and groan because you don't like a particular fight. Second -- you're denigrating fans, many of whom wont share your opinion about what makes a good fight, for "accepting" what you believe is crap, yet here you are tuning in to watch.
Well yeah. I'm a boxing fan. Of course I'm a hypocrite. I watch every fight i have the time to watch. Doesn't mean i have to defend them though. The sport is getting so fights that aren't damn near decided before the men get in the ring are more and more rare. More than quality i want to see competition. I admit with every possible bit of humility that i was wrong about the action of this fight in one round.
Once Haymon gets a monopoly things will get better. Need a UFC style organisation. THe problem in boxing is you have a couple of losses and no one will pay to see you anymore. All this having to "earn" the right to fight someone is just crap. The best should just be fighting the best. Could you imagine this in any other sport where competitors can blatantly duck other fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterDoesn't this make you a hypocrite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
First -- you moan and groan because you don't like a particular fight. Second -- you're denigrating fans, many of whom wont share your opinion about what makes a good fight, for "accepting" what you believe is crap, yet here you are tuning in to watch.
Well yeah. I'm a boxing fan. Of course I'm a hypocrite. I watch every fight i have the time to watch. Doesn't mean i have to defend them though. The sport is getting so fights that aren't damn near decided before the men get in the ring are more and more rare. More than quality i want to see competition. I admit with every possible bit of humility that i was wrong about the action of this fight in one round.
It happens in athletics Bolt is ducking at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeOnce Haymon gets a monopoly things will get better. Need a UFC style organisation. THe problem in boxing is you have a couple of losses and no one will pay to see you anymore. All this having to "earn" the right to fight someone is just crap. The best should just be fighting the best. Could you imagine this in any other sport where competitors can blatantly duck other fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterDoesn't this make you a hypocrite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
First -- you moan and groan because you don't like a particular fight. Second -- you're denigrating fans, many of whom wont share your opinion about what makes a good fight, for "accepting" what you believe is crap, yet here you are tuning in to watch.
Well yeah. I'm a boxing fan. Of course I'm a hypocrite. I watch every fight i have the time to watch. Doesn't mean i have to defend them though. The sport is getting so fights that aren't damn near decided before the men get in the ring are more and more rare. More than quality i want to see competition. I admit with every possible bit of humility that i was wrong about the action of this fight in one round.
Collazo has been making stars look bad since Hatton. Thurman did not look good and seemed completely out of his gord when he took a step back. He was also really wide inside with his shots. But he has looked good in other fights. Khan and Berto are 1 and 2 so one or the other. Either is a major step up. I think Thurman is severely flawed and that's why he's almost being protected. Who knows what would have happened if that body shot happened earlier in the round.
Bradley and khan own keith.
I came here specifically to post that Bradley would have outpointed Thurman Saturday night. In the 116-112 range.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Thurman would not have risked fighting Bradley with the rumoured injury Atlas mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepwalkerI came here specifically to post that Bradley would have outpointed Thurman Saturday night. In the 116-112 range.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I dont know what you guys were watching. Harrison was winning comfortably. Think I gave nelson 1 of the 1st 7Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI don't watch enough fighters to compete in those things. You folks knowledge astounds me. But I think I have a good eye for recognizing what's actually happening in a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I took Willie to win in a challenge, honestly thought he would win and dont even consider it an upset. Listening to the crew you would think Willie just beat Napoles.
I've heard people say that ever since Jesus Soto Karass wobbled Keith in the first round of their fight that Keith has become more of a back-peddler and less of a dynamic puncher. When was the last time he stopped someone by a punch?
He has spent a lot of his last few fights going backwards. Getting hurt to the body by a non-puncher recovering alcoholic and then being on the back foot against him is not a sign of grat things to come from Mr. Thurman. They put him in with a non-puncher to give him a showcase and he failed to show his case. I'm getting less impressed every time I see him fight. I'd love to see him fight Khan.
I think Thurman is a bit of a hypejob and I really do think that Haymon is holding him back on purpose until Floyd leaves. Even that call out of Floyd seemed fake. He actually had to be prodded to do it. Haymon probably still goes to Floyd for advice. I'd almost wager Floyd is a major silent player in his company and will most likely end up there after retirement
But I cant rationally say that because of Collazo the guys got nothing. We all know how difficult that guy is and a southpaw to boot. But also this kind of thing happens when fighters are not tested earlier before they meet a gatekeeper. Sure Luis was older but the tricks and ring savvy dont vanish. Thurman never faced anyone even remotely like Collazo. Hatton didn't either before their fight and lots of people think Ricky lost.
I think he gets a pass for not looking spectacular and we all need to take a step back in the overall judgement of a guy after just one fight. It did tell us things though and future opponents. He has issues with movement, cant go backwards at all most likely from a career thus far of fighting people that stood right in front of him. He wants the booth. He also may be soft in the body because that shot was not that huge and lets not forget who threw it. But in fairness placed right it does not have to be a battering ram.
And I found the stoppage weird. Should you not wait first to see if the cut man can do his job. Pass me a tin foil hat and I might say the storyline was not going well and a signal was sent. Btw I liked Thurman a lot when he first burst on the scene but for a guy who is really not fighting anyone, he needs to plug his mouth because everyone knows he's not deciding. Different story when you can make your call out happen. I bet Haymon tells him how much red meat he's allowed to eat a week.
Anyway Haymon needs to get busy and start matching his A team against each other. Careers are composting in mediocrity.
Thurman already knew loooooong before Saturday's fight that he was out of the Floyd sweepstakes. He was just blowing smoke.
This division has taken a nose dive over the past 12 months. Thurman, Khan, Broner and Porter have all had setbacks lately.
These guys will fight one another as soon as Floyd and Manny piss off and retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
I had it about 5-3 Harrison but he looked like a guy unraveling and feeling the power after round 2. Once Tony was unable to shake Nelson and started exchanging in spots it had the feel of Nelson hurting him gradually and getting a tko when and if he jumped him late.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI dont know what you guys were watching. Harrison was winning comfortably. Think I gave nelson 1 of the 1st 7Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI don't watch enough fighters to compete in those things. You folks knowledge astounds me. But I think I have a good eye for recognizing what's actually happening in a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I took Willie to win in a challenge, honestly thought he would win and dont even consider it an upset. Listening to the crew you would think Willie just beat Napoles.
If Thurman is the best thing Haymon has to work with when Floyd retires then the PBC is in a lot of trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
To my mind Bolts been quiet ever since a number of Jamaican athletes were pulled up for positive drug tests results.Quote:
It happens in athletics Bolt is ducking at the moment.
It's odd to say the least. If he's genuinely coming back it wont be till Olympics.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf Thurman is the best thing Haymon has to work with when Floyd retires then the PBC is in a lot of trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
They need to give broner some magic pills to remove the flat feet and the gun shy to try and save his future millions.
As limited as Broner is, he'll remain relevant. He'll fight a few bums then talk his way backQuote:
Originally Posted by impTrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf Thurman is the best thing Haymon has to work with when Floyd retires then the PBC is in a lot of trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
They need to give broner some magic pills to remove the flat feet and the gun shy to try and save his future millions.