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Originally Posted by Starr
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yeah, thats what im sayinQuote:
Originally Posted by Starr
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Yes. Sal is right. What happens to Margarito after Floyd beats him? Does he get any more big money fights? I think he gets forgotten{ he was all hype}. If he was to beat Spinks, and then lost to Floyd, he would still have some marketability. With four losses, I feel it would be in Margarito's best interest to take a big name he is more likely to beat, before he fights Floyd.
Boxing is one of the toughest sports, if not the toughest. Fighters disappear, become punch drunk, fail to reach their potential, lose everything. Thats boxing. It's one of the dirtiest sporting trades, if not the dirtiest. Once in awhile, a fighter gets his shot at the big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
And now you Mayweather fans are trying to convince me, that a fight with Mayweather is a bad thing. But you don't say that. You say a "soon" fight with Mayweather is a bad thing. You find all the excuses and reasons why Margarito doesn't deserve a shot. He's only the most proven Welterweight on the planet! Oh, yeah, I forgot... he should wait. Listen to what you guys are saying. You are saying a chance to make it big, is a bad thing. One shot to tell everybody your worth someting. It's the reason why boxers fight. For that defining moment. And you guys are trying to convince me that Margarito isn't worth Mayweather's time. Well, I'm here to say that this fight is worth it's time. A rags and rugged fighter, gets his shot at a Prime Time HBO fighter. It's one of boxing's classic stories told time and time again.
No, Margarito has already proven himself. More than Sharmba and more than Judah whose record at Welterweight is 4-2, one loss to a nine loss journeyman. I'm not saying Mayweather Judah is a waste of time, hell no I'm not saying that. I'm just saying Margarito deserves his shot at a premier fighter. If anybody thinks Mayweather is an all-time-great, then you should demand a Margarito fight. It's something all legends have done. Great fighters fight guys like Margarito without even a second thought about business. It's something legendary fighters did. It wasn't a big deal. They didn't have legions of fans, such as yourselves, telling fans like us why their fighter should avoid certain fights. Because if you think about it, thats what your saying. That Mayweather should avoid Margarito for future big paydays, even when Floyd can make multi-millions either way.
And if Mayweather, supposed pound-for-pound number one, future all-time-great, and multi-millionaire, won't step up, then perhaps Gatti's giant heart has to give yet another young kid a chance for fortune, much like he did Mayweather.
Do I have to bring out the Winky Wright, Marvin Hagler card? ;D
nope because unlike those two guys who actually beat some names margarito has beat who? kermit and lost to santos...yeah he deserves a shot....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
a free pass to the knock-the-floyd-out lottery so i can cash in on his name since i haven't made one for myself even though i've been at ww for ten years and didn't fight anybody now after i saw i was getting my assskicked against a guy only 7 pounds bigger than me i want to try to do the same against a much smaller guy win or lose i will be able to retire because i only wanted money in the first place that's why i got into boxing at 15 instead of taking my dumbasss to amateur fights so i wouldn't risk having losses on my pro record that have cost me millions of dollars because no one thinks i'm worthy to fight the real good fighters only guy like cintron and santos but wait santos beat me
No he isn't. When's the last time he's been on any major network ??? All he is is the JMM of the Welterweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
What I am saying is that would you rather have Margarito beaten into retirement for 6 million dollars, or for 10 million dollars.Quote:
Oh, yeah, I forgot... he should wait. Listen to what you guys are saying. You are saying a chance to make it big, is a bad thing. One shot to tell everybody your worth someting. It's the reason why boxers fight. For that defining moment. And you guys are trying to convince me that Margarito isn't worth Mayweather's time.
You DO know that Margarito also could have fought Jose Antonio Rivera right ;)Quote:
Well, I'm here to say that this fight is worth it's time. A rags and rugged fighter, gets his shot at a Prime Time HBO fighter. It's one of boxing's classic stories told time and time again.
Baldomir isn't a journeyman, and is better then Cintron And Lujan ;)Quote:
No, Margarito has already proven himself. More than Sharmba and more than Judah whose record at Welterweight is 4-2, one loss to a nine loss journeyman.
yes and he didn't fight Rivera or Spinks, w/e, he had his chances. And he only seems to be calling out these guys when they have a fight scheduled.Quote:
I'm not saying Mayweather Judah is a waste of time, hell no I'm not saying that. I'm just saying Margarito deserves his shot at a premier fighter.
Sure, but Floyd is a smarter business man, he'd rather destroy Margarito for 10 million then 6 million.Quote:
If anybody thinks Mayweather is an all-time-great, then you should demand a Margarito fight. It's something all legends have done. Great fighters fight guys like Margarito without even a second thought about business.
Sure, but it's wiser to fight Margarito for 10 million and shut him out then 6 million.Quote:
It's something legendary fighters did. It wasn't a big deal. They didn't have legions of fans, such as yourselves, telling fans like us why their fighter should avoid certain fights. Because if you think about it, thats what your saying. That Mayweather should avoid Margarito for future big paydays, even when Floyd can make multi-millions either way.
Sure Gatti can fight and beat Margarito for a 4 million dollar pay day and Margarito will get beaten by gatti and now he's nowhere. Margarito is no better then JMM. Who just got beat overseas. Once again, you all give Margarito too much credit. He hasn't beaten any guy in the top 20 since he turned pro ;) Unless we're counting andrew Lewis. He got a title on a vacancy and the guy it belonged to beat Margarito when they finally fought each other. But you give Margarito credit because he claims he wants to fight somebody. But when he doesn't fight people like Rivera or Spinks I raise an eye brow to it. like what was said there's a difference between a verbal contract and a true contract and all margarito has done is talk "i want this guy, I want that guy' but neither he nor his promoter have tried to make these fights happen except with Mayweather. Anyone else you mention he hasn't tried to do. He's content with fighting the same old opponents that stand in front of him. Can you name me a true name that Margarito has beaten other then Andrew Lewis who had just been stopped by Mayorga ??? Sure he should get a big fight but I am warning you that he is one dimentional and would be beaten easily.Quote:
And if Mayweather, supposed pound-for-pound number one, future all-time-great, and multi-millionaire, won't step up, then perhaps Gatti's giant heart has to give yet another young kid a chance for fortune, much like he did Mayweather.
Here's the thing that you all keep forgetting & it's easy...you don't have to be an analyst & you don't have to bring up dates & dollars when they are & have been previously broadcast right in front of you...again...Margarito has done nothing to warrant a shot at Mayweather...reason being...Mayweather was firmly at the top of 140. He came up to fight Zab Judah...he fought Mitchell as a warm up for Judah on his way to Oscar.
He did not come up to fight Margarito or whoever else wants to cash in on Floyd's name...he is & was & will be on his way to Oscar where he will earn more than some paltry 6 mill to fight Margarito...a fight that (believe it or not) is not at the top of everyone's list & is surely not going to net him the 10 mill that he will more than likely get plus a percentage to the PPV gate.
The funny thing is this...Margarito would never garner that much bank nor will beating Oscar gain that much attention.
You people all know this because you are boxing fans & you know the name of the game for most fighters is to make a living & still stay alive & well.
In Floyd's own words: IF IT DON'T MAKE DOLLARS IT DON'T MAKE SENSE.
Oscar makes millions & millions of dollars...Margarito don't make sense.
Winky only beat names, because Shane gave him a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Lets look at beforehand. Before he fought Shane.
Winky beat unproven Candelo. What else... hmmm Small man, Angel Hernandez. A lot of these went to decisions. And he lost to Vargas and Harry S.
Many of these fights were dominant performances, but not without Wright getting a little puffy in the face in the process. So what, he won the fights. No big names on his resume at the time, but he needed one. Just like Margarito, he needed for a prime-time fighter to give him his shot. Turned out, it was Mosley who would give it to him. People didn't think much of Winky back then, because that wasn't a pick'em fight at the time, he was the underdog. It was this chance that gave Winky his time to show what he really was. If he was bad, then all they nay-sayers were right. But as long as he got his shot, he could prove what he had, good or bad.
Hagler is another one. I don't think you know your history, so you can google that story up yourself. ;)
Somebody will give Margarito a chance one of these days. Just not sure who will, PBF won't, Zab's NEVER mentioned his name, Hatton changes the subject very quickly whenever he's brought up. Mosley already turned him down and thats saying something considering Shane has always been willing to fight the best and even gave Winky his shot. For now its pointless to argue, we can't make fighters fight him. If he can't find a fight here, and he probably won't, he'll just have to move up to 154, fight a Karmazin, or an Ouma.
Did Shane Mosely wait for Winky to earn him 10 million?
Did Shane say to Winky, "If it makes dollars it makes sense, so wait your turn buddy."
That tells you what kind of fighter Shane is. He known as a fighter who gives up and comers their shot. He paid for it, but he holds great respect from the boxing community for it.
And this 10 million thing is a total arbitrary number brought up, and created by the Pretty Boy Fans.
so you're comparing hagler to margarito? i hope not because hagler would have never loss to a guy that finished his career 13-9....like margarito did...and winky needed to get a shot....Margarito has the WBO belt doesn't that count for something? He should have been had better fights unless the WBO doesn't believe in making their fighters fight real contenders because jeeze look at his resume...and when was the last time Margarito loss? last year? or 2004? He can't even hold up his end of the bargin with WBO which isQuote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
"we'll give you wack fights, all you have to do is win and then you'll look like someone that's good"
But no he can't even do that...
Wowy...wer'e gettin a bit bitter in our analyst position aren't we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
10 million is what P4P great Hopkins got...plus part of the PPV draw. Pretty Boy Fans don't make the contracts anymore than Margarito fans know that their man can actually compete with Mayweather.
Also...since your'e quoting history...Winky Wright was a name back then...he was a heavily dodged fighter.
Not sure if you did or did'nt follow junior middle back then...but everyone knew who he was...& they all ran from him.
Winky fought plenty of names & the Simon loss was pretty much a hometown robbery.
The Vargas fight was either a draw or a Wright win...depending on how you look at it. Vasquez beat Wright...so if you give him that loss then that's 1 out of 50...but a loss is a loss & a fact is a fact...everyone that was deep in boxing knew the name of Wright & they all new to stay the hell away from it.
Actually Zab has mentioned his name ;) He called him Phony Margarito ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
:coolclick: Heh heh heh. I think that you might have just poured the equivelant of an ocean of gasoline on the about to explode gyrokai fire!Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Sure that wasn't one of his loser friends talking for him? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Or maybe his pops. "Phony Margarito, you gotta pop pop pop him, 1,2,3" (while he spastically threw air punches)
FFS I hope Zab keeps Yoel forever, he might actually improve if he dropped him and we don't want that
Oh man daaaaaaayeem!!! This is getting dirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtee! I think that you just poured the very same ocean of gasoline on Sweet Sassy Sugar Puss's fire! Heh heh heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
:cwm23: :cwm28:Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
No, THAT would be Andre Eason calling Mayweather "Faggot Floyd"Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
That's better then Ouma's corner of the 3 people shouting condensending and opposite advice to him fight isn't it ;D They blend in so well with the crowd that's where Kassim went in the Karmazin fight. Zab may have danced a few times in his career, but he never went to the opposite corner and started looking for his corner men ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
This is a long thread. Imma nap. :cwm32:
Ha, making fun of Ouma as a change of subject, that's low down since I know you like himQuote:
Originally Posted by Starr
no offence to anyone but i honestly wouldn't want to see Magarito fight Floyd, i think it would be a blow-out and far too much hype all along with it....too much juice for such little squeeze.
I wanna see him against Hatton
I'd rather see a Hatton fight too, but a Margarito fight is a good fight if those kind of fights don't come off for FloydQuote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
:coolclick: Nighty night. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
I third and fourth that statement...Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
I talk low about Judah too. I'm not going to be biased on what should be worked on or whats funny because I like a fighter. That's why I think ouma getting Ronnie is the best thing. and you changes the subject from Margarito to Yoel Judah ;) You went first ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Bast*rd. ;D :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
My statement still stands, Margarito deserves his chance.
Starr, Gyrokai put my point better than I could so why would I write it again and it was still words from your mouth, neither was there an article and nor any other evidence nor has one other person verified what you said ie Margarito dodging Spinks.
Gyrokai deserves multiple cool clicks for holding his own here and doing it with relevant facts rather than unsubstantiated rumours.Oh and Starr, actually where these particular guys are from(Tijuana) DOES have relevance, these fighters have pride, if someone calls them out, they don't run,duck or hide. That's why I said Margarito runs from no-one.
The title of this thread is pathetic too, if Margarito is a coward, so are 90% of fighters out there.
As Mick said earlier, a date has been set aside, your arguments aagainst Margarito are WEAK,all I hear is "he lost to someone 13-9,blah blah blah"and that was when he was how old and he was like JMM which is valid as JMM was recognised by true fans as the best 126 pounder on the planet, he beat everyone put in front of him and got his big shot against Pac. Margarito has got the date, heck even certain arenas, set aside so let's wait and see.
Oh and does that even make sense, he got $4 mill for beating Sharmba, why would he wait for the Tony fight to go to $10mill if he's gettting an quick and easy $6 mill??? Why not pick up the easy payday?
If anyone tries to say Margarito is not the best WW and worthy of a challenge to Floyd then you seriously need to go and check your facts and you need to tell me who is better than him. DON'T SAY ZAB,Margarito would crush Hatton,Gatti,heck anyone at 147 so all these arguments of why does he deserve a shot etc are realllllllllly weak. Why does Zab deserve a shot?????