Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th

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"Foregone conclusion" does it for me.

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I think this fight will be a lot more competitive than many are seeing it.

I don't really care too much for Canelo as I too think he took his time getting to GGG. But I do disagree with the double standards afforded to others.

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Oh it'll be competitive for awhile. As much as I can't stand Ginger's hype machine and Ginger's doting, fishnets-wearing promoter, Canelo isn't going to be the stationary target Junior was for him. It'll be a fan-friendly fight for as long as it lasts. Eventually GGG will cave him in, and it'll be over. Just saw in The Fight Game where Oscar was quoted as saying this was the biggest fight in boxing history. Good thing Max Kellerman was there to dump the ridicule on the comment that it deserves.

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"Foregone conclusion" does it for me.

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I think this fight will be a lot more competitive than many are seeing it.

I don't really care too much for Canelo as I too think he took his time getting to GGG. But I do disagree with the double standards afforded to others.

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Oh it'll be competitive for awhile. As much as I can't stand Ginger's hype machine and Ginger's doting, fishnets-wearing promoter, Canelo isn't going to be the stationary target Junior was for him. It'll be a fan-friendly fight for as long as it lasts. Eventually GGG will cave him in, and it'll be over. Just saw in The Fight Game where Oscar was quoted as saying this was the biggest fight in boxing history. Good thing Max Kellerman was there to dump the ridicule on the comment that it deserves.

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Canelo isn't going to be the stationary target Junior was for him. Do you not been GGG? Who cares about the promoters, GGG's promoters is no winner either? All your energy is wasted and misdirected as if you are crushing on ODLH and he let you down. GGG did nothing special to warrant the fight sooner. GGG has stayed in his comfort lane and going as low to fight welterweight Brooke. Let's keep it real

Chavez was a lab test for Canelo to see how much over the 160 weight limit he could/ should balloon to after the weigh in and have all his faculties intact to fight GGG with maximum effect. After all he has never had to weigh in above 155 and then fight a true 160 pound fighter. The Chavez fight needs no more boring posts. It what's a tune-up for the GGG fight. Where as Jacob's was a tune-up fight for GGG. Only thing is GGG was the one that look like he had holes in his game fight. I had Jacobs winning or a draw at worst. GGG's last two fights show he just may be over hyped. I am beginning to like the Canelo's (also hyped) chances better. Especially with his personal weight test vs Chavez over. That's all Chavez was: a high paying weight test for GGG fight.

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Canelo's weight hoping has been annoying but being the star he can get away with it.

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I'll respectfully disagree with this. He can get away with it from those fans who'll give him a free pass on just about anything... but not the rest of the boxing world. The "weight hopping" isn't just randomly wanting to fight at different weights. It's been a carefully orchestrated skipping over the 160 division to avoid "you-know-who".

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So he has been able to get away with it?

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Saunders has only fought 1 guy since winning his belt in December 2015. Jacobs beat Quillin in December 2015 and has only fought the rematch with Mora before the GGG fight. Since the Cotto fight Canelo has fought Khan, Smith and Chavez. Canelo's activity and opposition is arguably better than the other 2 in that time.

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I hope the first sentence isn't a veiled view that any of the other middleweights have been avoiding GGG. I'll choose to believe it wasn't. The next sentence mentions Khan, Smith, and Chavez. Ok, so in terms of pure activity, that's 3 fights versus one or two for the other guys. But "better opposition"? Really? Canelo's fight vs Khan was akin to a bull and a bullfighter if you take away the bullfighter's sword. It was only going to be a matter of time. A circus act. A blown-up WW who took leave of his senses long enough to think he could fight a man twice as big as he. Then he took leave of his senses again in the 6th round. Chavez? Junior turned out to be exactly what boxing experts said he would be.... a glorified punching bag at the end of his ride on his daddy's name. So once again I'll have to disagree on quality of opposition.

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So you think Mora and Akavov amount to better opposition than Khan, Smith and Chavez?

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The thing everyone is not mentioning is that Canelo has agreed to the fight something Sturm, Martinez, Cotto, Quillin and Saunders haven't done.

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Martinez is at the end of his career and visibly shot. Cotto was undersized even to fight Canelo. Why on Earth would he fight GGG? Saunders was set to fight GGG, but the hype job that is Team Canelo threw a hissy fit and that fight was scrapped.

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So your happy to give Martinez and Cotto passes?

Canelo's rise to stardom has been a meticulously put together exercise in blatant promotion. His recent conquests include:

- Alfonso Gomez of "The Contender" fame :rolleyes:

- Over-the-hill Shane Mosley

- Tiny Josesito Lopez

- A gift decision over Erislandy Lara

- The much smaller Cotto

- The even SMALLER Khan

- Punching bag with the famous name, Junior


Somewhere in between, everyone thought he was ready to contend for world's p4p, and put him in there with Floyd.
We all know how THAT turned out :rolleyes:

Golovkin BEFORE fighting at 165 would've been his chance to shut all of us critics up. But no... he decided to hop-skip-jump over 160 and go directly to 165 to fight Junior. Besides... there's no way he can keep starving himself pretending to be too small for middleweight. It's like the 200-pound woman who insists on wearing skinny jeans and asking how do I look.

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All that and GGG is still dying to fight him. Why would he bother fighting such a fraud? If he really wanted to enhance his legacy he would be re-matching Jacobs or taking the Saunders fight to unify all the belts. Again no one held a gun to GGG's head and forced him to take this fight.

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Now we all know promotion and network would have no part in that and have been salivating as they force feed Canelo to fans as the next middleweight coming. The simple fact is up until now Canelo refused to backup his mouth and played the long con, Golovkin is guilty of nothing but trying to clean up his house, beating a viable legitimate middleweight lt heavyweight threat and stepping up to any lost boys knocking on his door and geared in his direction. It's a me thing but to consider Canelo an accomplished middleweight by winning a watered down cw lineal title and thumping on a disinterested heavy bag last out is funny stuff.

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Funny I hope that's the same stance you have for Manny Pacquiao with his career path as it is identical to Canelo's. Only he weight drained his opponents, insured they were light hitting, overaged former champions, unathletic immobile and straightforward plodding, fighters. Pacquiao never fought are young powerful athletic fighter in his prime. With the exception of JMM and we know some of those decisions were controversial. Playing devil's advocate what the hell had GGG accomplished besides pay-per-view failures.

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"Foregone conclusion" does it for me.

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I think this fight will be a lot more competitive than many are seeing it.

I don't really care too much for Canelo as I too think he took his time getting to GGG. But I do disagree with the double standards afforded to others.

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Oh it'll be competitive for awhile. As much as I can't stand Ginger's hype machine and Ginger's doting, fishnets-wearing promoter, Canelo isn't going to be the stationary target Junior was for him. It'll be a fan-friendly fight for as long as it lasts. Eventually GGG will cave him in, and it'll be over. Just saw in The Fight Game where Oscar was quoted as saying this was the biggest fight in boxing history. Good thing Max Kellerman was there to dump the ridicule on the comment that it deserves.

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Canelo isn't going to be the stationary target Junior was for him. Do you not been GGG? Who cares about the promoters, GGG's promoters is no winner either? All your energy is wasted and misdirected as if you are crushing on ODLH and he let you down. GGG did nothing special to warrant the fight sooner. GGG has stayed in his comfort lane and going as low to fight welterweight Brooke. Let's keep it real

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Yeah let's forget about the promoters. Heaven knows DLH couldn't possibly embarrass himself any more than he already has. Let's talk fighters then. "GGG did nothing special to warrant the fight sooner?" Oh ok... so you're in the minority club that feels Ginger is somehow super-entitled and it's GGG who needs to "earn" a fight with him. Gotcha. Never mind that it's Ginger masquerading as a MW and is supposed to be the one challenging GGG at his weight. We'll let that one slide right on by (wink, wink). Now about GGG (cough) staying "in his comfort lane" and going so low as to fight Brook. Comfort lane?? Please provide the list of fighters in Golovkin's division that Golovkin has either avoided, ducked, or outright said he won't fight. Take your time. Ward doesn't count... I said in GGG's own weight division. GGG fought Lemieux. Let's see Ginger fight either Lemieux OR Jacobs and see how he fares. No... he's too busy hopscotching all over the weight spectrum... both real divisions and 0.5 pound catchweights... to have even considered a GGG fight until now that he's fought at 164.5 and all excuses have been removed from the table. I've already listed some of Ginger's recent opponents in a previous post. Finally he's going to meet someone his own size (Famous Punching Bag doesn't count), and we'll see how that goes. Just remember..... when Famous Punching Bag stopped fighting guys he himself outweighed by 30 pounds at fight night and got in the ring with someone his own size (Fonfara)..... we all know what happened then. ;) ;)

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"Foregone conclusion" does it for me.

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I think this fight will be a lot more competitive than many are seeing it.

I don't really care too much for Canelo as I too think he took his time getting to GGG. But I do disagree with the double standards afforded to others.

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Oh it'll be competitive for awhile. As much as I can't stand Ginger's hype machine and Ginger's doting, fishnets-wearing promoter, Canelo isn't going to be the stationary target Junior was for him. It'll be a fan-friendly fight for as long as it lasts. Eventually GGG will cave him in, and it'll be over. Just saw in The Fight Game where Oscar was quoted as saying this was the biggest fight in boxing history. Good thing Max Kellerman was there to dump the ridicule on the comment that it deserves.

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Canelo isn't going to be the stationary target Junior was for him. Do you not been GGG? Who cares about the promoters, GGG's promoters is no winner either? All your energy is wasted and misdirected as if you are crushing on ODLH and he let you down. GGG did nothing special to warrant the fight sooner. GGG has stayed in his comfort lane and going as low to fight welterweight Brooke. Let's keep it real

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Yeah let's forget about the promoters. Heaven knows DLH couldn't possibly embarrass himself any more than he already has. Let's talk fighters then. "GGG did nothing special to warrant the fight sooner?" Oh ok... so you're in the minority club that feels Ginger is somehow super-entitled and it's GGG who needs to "earn" a fight with him. Gotcha. Never mind that it's Ginger masquerading as a MW and is supposed to be the one challenging GGG at his weight. We'll let that one slide right on by (wink, wink). Now about GGG (cough) staying "in his comfort lane" and going so low as to fight Brook. Comfort lane?? Please provide the list of fighters in Golovkin's division that Golovkin has either avoided, ducked, or outright said he won't fight. Take your time. Ward doesn't count... I said in GGG's own weight division. GGG fought Lemieux. Let's see Ginger fight either Lemieux OR Jacobs and see how he fares. No... he's too busy hopscotching all over the weight spectrum... both real divisions and 0.5 pound catchweights... to have even considered a GGG fight until now that he's fought at 164.5 and all excuses have been removed from the table. I've already listed some of Ginger's recent opponents after in a previous post. Finally he's going to meet someone his own size (Famous Punching Bag doesn't count), and we'll see how that goes. Just remember..... when Famous Punching Bag stopped fighting guys he himself outweighed by 30 pounds at fight night and got in the ring with someone his own size (Fonfara)..... we all know what happened then. ;) ;)

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I do not feel Canelo's is better if I did would say it . Do not fill your post with fictitious thoughts to pad your thread. It's just that Pacquiao did it , Mayweather did it .. so wtf the Latin guy can not do it because you dislike his cross dressing promoter? Or is it because he is not Puerto Rican Latin?
Ludicrous response you throwing our names of marginal fighters GGG has fought in a 10 year career with exception of Jacobs who many feel won the fight.. I just got a side ache from laughing at Ginger Ginger Ginger's 10 year resume. Canelo's is a proven PPV attraction GGG is not I do not approve of Canelo's resume or tactics either just he has every right to control the environment as PAC and Money have the last decade as PPV leaders. So let's have Triple-Ginger drop to 155 and fight Mayweather, Lara, Cotto and Trout and see how he does.

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"Foregone conclusion" does it for me.

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I think this fight will be a lot more competitive than many are seeing it.

I don't really care too much for Canelo as I too think he took his time getting to GGG. But I do disagree with the double standards afforded to others.

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Oh it'll be competitive for awhile. As much as I can't stand Ginger's hype machine and Ginger's doting, fishnets-wearing promoter, Canelo isn't going to be the stationary target Junior was for him. It'll be a fan-friendly fight for as long as it lasts. Eventually GGG will cave him in, and it'll be over. Just saw in The Fight Game where Oscar was quoted as saying this was the biggest fight in boxing history. Good thing Max Kellerman was there to dump the ridicule on the comment that it deserves.

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Canelo isn't going to be the stationary target Junior was for him. Do you not been GGG? Who cares about the promoters, GGG's promoters is no winner either? All your energy is wasted and misdirected as if you are crushing on ODLH and he let you down. GGG did nothing special to warrant the fight sooner. GGG has stayed in his comfort lane and going as low to fight welterweight Brooke. Let's keep it real

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Yeah let's forget about the promoters. Heaven knows DLH couldn't possibly embarrass himself any more than he already has. Let's talk fighters then. "GGG did nothing special to warrant the fight sooner?" Oh ok... so you're in the minority club that feels Ginger is somehow super-entitled and it's GGG who needs to "earn" a fight with him. Gotcha. Never mind that it's Ginger masquerading as a MW and is supposed to be the one challenging GGG at his weight. We'll let that one slide right on by (wink, wink). Now about GGG (cough) staying "in his comfort lane" and going so low as to fight Brook. Comfort lane?? Please provide the list of fighters in Golovkin's division that Golovkin has either avoided, ducked, or outright said he won't fight. Take your time. Ward doesn't count... I said in GGG's own weight division. GGG fought Lemieux. Let's see Ginger fight either Lemieux OR Jacobs and see how he fares. No... he's too busy hopscotching all over the weight spectrum... both real divisions and 0.5 pound catchweights... to have even considered a GGG fight until now that he's fought at 164.5 and all excuses have been removed from the table. I've already listed some of Ginger's recent opponents after in a previous post. Finally he's going to meet someone his own size (Famous Punching Bag doesn't count), and we'll see how that goes. Just remember..... when Famous Punching Bag stopped fighting guys he himself outweighed by 30 pounds at fight night and got in the ring with someone his own size (Fonfara)..... we all know what happened then. ;) ;)

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I do not feel Canelo's is better if I did would say it . Do not fill your post with fictitious thoughts to pad your thread. It's just that Pacquiao did it , Mayweather did it .. so wtf the Latin guy can not do it because you dislike his cross dressing promoter? Or is it because he is not Puerto Rican Latin?
Ludicrous response you throwing our names of marginal fighters GGG has fought in a 10 year career with exception of Jacobs who many feel won the fight.. I just got a side ache from laughing at Ginger Ginger Ginger's 10 year resume. Canelo's is a proven PPV attraction GGG is not I do not approve of Canelo's resume or tactics either just he has every right to control the environment as PAC and Money have the last decade as PPV leaders. So let's have Triple-Ginger drop to 155 and fight Mayweather, Lara, Cotto and Trout and see how he does.

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Which fictitious thoughts? The one where I correctly state that if Canelo is challenging GGG at middleweight then he must go up to 160, since he's shown he's perfectly capable of fighting at least one division above that? That fictitious thought? Or is it the one where I mention two fighters that GGG has fought recently (Jacobs and Lemieux... you forgot Lemieux) who are bonafide 160-pounders... where weight advantage is not an issue, like it is for most of Ginger's fights). Or maybe it's the fictitious thought where I again correctly point out that Ginger hopscotches around the weights, adding 0.5 catchweights at will, while avoiding GGG at 160. Is it that one?

Fictitious thought is where you state that GGG has done nothing to warrant a Canelo fight. Now THAT'S a fictitious thought.

While we're at it, please stay on point. Ethnicities have nothing to do with this conversation, so let's just focus on the topic at hand, shall we?

Oh... and speaking of ludicrous responses..... ludicrous is for you to state with a straight face that Canelo has every right to control his environment such as Money and Pac have had over the past decade... if I'm paraphrasing your words correctly.

Let's begin with Pac, who has fought a Who's Who of boxing, including names like Erik Morales, Barrera, JMM, Cotto, Tim Bradley... to name only a few. And all these fighters have been the same size, or LARGER, than Pacquiao. No further explanations needed. Now to Money. As much as I dislike Floyd the person, Floyd also has a resume 20+ times better than Ginger's. Castillo, Judah, Cotto, Pac..... and more. Again not much more need be said.

So if these guys have controlled their environment over the past decade as PPV stars..... they've damn well earned it. WTF has Ginger done... except pad his record with a bunch of bums in Mexico, and then feast on undersized or over-the-hill fighters to further pad it.

This isn't so much an argument as a lesson in boxing history, because your side is so indefensible it's ludicrous (this is where the word fits). Your zealousness in wanting to anoint Ginger as something he's not is laughable, and goes alongside Fishnets' claims that a Ginger-GGG fight will be the biggest fight in boxing history.

BTW, you conveniently ignored my question about who GGG has ducked, since you brought up his "staying in his comfort zone." Still waiting for the answer, but try for sometime this year please.

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This is PPV in the UK on BoxNation/BT. There'll be a UK leg with Billy Joe defending his WBO title at the copperbox.

Wonder how many fans on here - the few that buy PPVs, I know most stream everything - would choose this over Floyd-Chop suey? Hmm...i'm betting NONE!

They held a press conference in London last week, with Golovkin/Canelo/Oscar et al to kick of the promotional tour, which seems to have gone under the radar, Floyd-Mc will get at least ten threads when their promotion starts. Shows what a big market the UK currently is though.

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This is PPV in the UK on BoxNation/BT. There'll be a UK leg with Billy Joe defending his WBO title at the copperbox.

Wonder how many fans on here - the few that buy PPVs, I know most stream everything - would choose this over Floyd-Chop suey? Hmm...i'm betting NONE!

They held a press conference in London last week, with Golovkin/Canelo/Oscar et al to kick of the promotional tour, which seems to have gone under the radar, Floyd-Mc will get at least ten threads when their promotion starts. Shows what a big market the UK currently is though.

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I knew this was on box nation but not ppv. Fuckers.

hang on a minute

if you subscribe to boxnation you need to pay on top?

Definitely psyched for this fight. Night off, pizza, ice cold coke, feet up, muzzle on wife, ahhhh life is good. Hope ggg doesn't ko ginger in the first round

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Hope ggg doesn't ko ginger in the first round

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If only.....

THAT would be better than sex.

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This is PPV in the UK on BoxNation/BT. There'll be a UK leg with Billy Joe defending his WBO title at the copperbox.

Wonder how many fans on here - the few that buy PPVs, I know most stream everything - would choose this over Floyd-Chop suey? Hmm...i'm betting NONE!

They held a press conference in London last week, with Golovkin/Canelo/Oscar et al to kick of the promotional tour, which seems to have gone under the radar, Floyd-Mc will get at least ten threads when their promotion starts. Shows what a big market the UK currently is though.

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If I could only watch one fight it would be Golovkin Alvarez. The other fight could be an absolute stinker if Floyd just plays with him for twelve rounds. It'll be similar to Floyd Manny where the crowd had never been to a fight before and were expecting to see something out of a Rocky movie and were booing from the second round onwards. More people will turn up for this one having an idea what to expect but it could easily end up being a Floyd sparring session with the crowd booing so loud the TV people can't mute it all out. And not even a good sparring session considering the other guy has never fought professionally and Floyd may come out even more risk averse than normal. I'm not even sure I'm going to watch it live.

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Hope ggg doesn't ko ginger in the first round

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If only.....

THAT would be better than sex.

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I think you're doing it wrong man.

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Hope ggg doesn't ko ginger in the first round

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If only.....

THAT would be better than sex.

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I think you're doing it wrong man.

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;D Too much, huh?

Regardless..... a 1-round KO of GGG over Ginger would probably bring me close to the big "O".

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I am abnormally excited for this fight. Told my company I was taking the day off for the fight three months ago and I own the company I can do whatever I want. I'm hooked on triple g since I saw him live here in my state. Only thing is if canelo does win I'm leaving the forum for good.

I guess I'm excited but after Mayweather vs Mcgregor, it's hard to be that excited for boxing again. I mean, what fight could ever be better? We only go downhill from here 😭

What do we make of Canelo's new size?

He's significantly bigger all of a sudden.

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What do we make of Canelo's new size?

He's significantly bigger all of a sudden.

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Is he? How do you know this? Is it just how he looks?

Yes, pictures. But also video. On the 24/7 he is noticeably distinctly larger. Or other videos, interviews, his face has changed as he's thickened up. It's no longer about how could he make 154, now it is how can he make 160.

What to make of his size? Really?

Are we talking about the guy who hid from GGG at 160 claiming he wasn't ready to fight at 160.... and suddenly jumped up and fought JCC Jr. at 165? I'll tell you what I make of it. I see a guy who pulls all possible strings to enable him to consistently fight guys who are much smaller than him. He and the aforementioned JCC Jr. have perfected the art of being 30 pounds heavier on fight night to a goddamn science. I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up twice the size of GGG. It's the only way he can hope to win.... it's the only way he can continue padding his bullshit record and keep De La Hoya relevant in boxing.

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Excellent analysis of the science/genius that lies underneath the caveman clubbing of boxing. These type of vids make these great whackers look like the boxing equivalent of Einstein, Hitch, Mozart.


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Excellent analysis of the science/genius that lies underneath the caveman clubbing of boxing. These type of vids make these great whackers look like the boxing equivalent of Einstein, Hitch, Mozart.


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Brilliant editing and breakdown by Lee Wylie. Give that man a job HBO

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There might be better ways to spend a Sunday than being crammed inside a smoky Los Angeles warehouse, wearing a wool suit for the better part of 16 hours in 100-degree heat.

Yet as someone who’s spent more than 10 years covering the fight game it was a treat being briefly transported to the 1930s glory days as a bit player in a Canelo Alvarez-Gennady Golovkin commercial shoot.

Thomas Hearns and Roberto Duran were among the cast summoned to provide a stamp of endorsement that the Sept. 16 middleweight title bout between Kazakhstan’s three-belt champion Golovkin (37-0, 33 knockouts) and Mexico’s Alvarez (49-1-1, 34 KOs) is a worthy throwback to boxing’s best days.

Hearns was asked whether he expects Golovkin-Alvarez to be a genuine successor to the compelling bouts between him, Duran, Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard in the 1980s.

“You know the way they fight. How can it not?” he said.

Alvarez was so taken by the realness of the shoot that he’s decided to wear an approved duplicate version of the 1930s-style boxing trunks he wore during filming.

“I didn’t expect all these things, but this is cool — old-fashioned style,” Alvarez said during a break in filming. “This is part of the business, part of the show, but I’ve tried to enjoy it as much as possible. This is what I expect of the fight — it could be in the history books.”

Golovkin has studied the fights of the commercial participants, including promoters Oscar De La Hoya and Bernard Hopkins, along with historical footage of the era he stepped back in for two days.

“It’s very interesting to see the tradition of this sport,” Golovkin said. “It is different with us. This is about what’s best for boxing. If you represent boxing like [the legends], you’re remembered. There’s a boxing family of true legends, a history. I like that. I like this.”

Producer-director Leigh Simons dreamed up the set after it was suggested first by De La Hoya.

“I had the vision. He comes up with the details,” De La Hoya said of Simons. “I think we hit it right on the head. You want to tell a story of when fighting was fighting. … I love that whole era, like the ‘Cinderella Man’ Prohibition days when fighters were fighters and it was survival. … And this fight means a lot to [Alvarez and Golovkin].

“It’s like we’re passing the torch to them, and it has the ingredients to play out.”

Simons asked USA Today columnist Martin Rogers, boxing video reporter James “Smitty” Smith and me to fill the roles of journalists/ringside cameramen.

“I wanted to do a vintage-inspired promotion because this is a throwback fight,” Simons said. “It’s a throwback because you have the best fighters in the world fighting each other, you have the greatest middleweights fighting each other and you have a fight where you don’t have to worry about action and drama.”

The commercial begins with a narrator discussing the legacy of great fights, then features Alvarez and Golovkin entering the gym with gear and equipment of the ’30s era. The other boxers in the gym stop as the legends also look at the pair.

Alvarez and Golovkin meet in the center of the ring, each throwing a simultaneous punch that’s stopped before meeting their chins, a moment intended to heighten anticipation for the bout at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

“That final scene is so important,” De La Hoya said. “[Simons] has to capture it perfectly. When those punches stop, I want people to think, ‘I have to buy this.’ ”

Filming was done as De La Hoya was railing at the potential damage last Saturday’s Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Conor McGregor pay-per-view bout could cause his fight. That match ended up being more entertaining than most thought.

Simons, who produced several preview shows for Mayweather, had a more cooperative tone.

“This care, craft and thought for this project is different … than the obscenities of Mayweather-McGregor,” Simons said. “I just think it’s a great time for combat sports, to have a wild and crazy, WWE-esque event that the world is very aware of.

“And then you have a spot, in this fight, that puts boxing back as a sport in a worldwide basis. They’re serving each other. It’s almost like back-to-back Super Bowls, like, ‘I’m going to watch the carnival, the puncher’s-chance phenomenon, and then I’m going to watch a real fight. How do I lose?’ ”

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I watched Canelo v Smith last night

Canelo did look awesome and dealt with smith what looked very comfortably, give smith credit tho he gave it a real good go

Canelo wont beat Golovkin

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I watched Canelo v Smith last night

Canelo did look awesome and dealt with smith what looked very comfortably, give smith credit tho he gave it a real good go

Canelo wont beat Golovkin

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If you compare the quality of oppositions they have faced at Middleweight then GGG would be a strong favourite.

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I watched Canelo v Smith last night

Canelo did look awesome and dealt with smith what looked very comfortably, give smith credit tho he gave it a real good go

Canelo wont beat Golovkin

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If you compare the quality of oppositions they have faced at Middleweight then GGG would be a strong favourite.

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GGG v Smith would be a short fight

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I watched Canelo v Smith last night

Canelo did look awesome and dealt with smith what looked very comfortably, give smith credit tho he gave it a real good go

Canelo wont beat Golovkin

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If you compare the quality of oppositions they have faced at Middleweight then GGG would be a strong favourite.

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GGG v Smith would be a short fight

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So would GGG v Cotto as well as Chavez Junior.

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I watched Canelo v Smith last night

Canelo did look awesome and dealt with smith what looked very comfortably, give smith credit tho he gave it a real good go

Canelo wont beat Golovkin

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If you compare the quality of oppositions they have faced at Middleweight then GGG would be a strong favourite.

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GGG v Smith would be a short fight

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So would GGG v Cotto as well as Chavez Junior.

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Lets flip it around (not that I'm disagreeing at all) how do you see Ginger Pubes getting on against Jacobs?

I think this will be one sided and I expect Canelo to out class him
I can't see anything other than a UD for Alvarez to be honest.

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I think this will be one sided and I expect Canelo to out class him
I can't see anything other than a UD for Alvarez to be honest.

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Just when I thought we agreed on most things you go and write this. GGG will outclass Canelo and beat him convincingly.

Can a mod (who knows what he is doing) add a poll to this thread?

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I think this will be one sided and I expect Canelo to out class him
I can't see anything other than a UD for Alvarez to be honest.

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Just when I thought we agreed on most things you go and write this. GGG will outclass Canelo and beat him convincingly.

Can a mod (who knows what he is doing) add a poll to this thread?

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I think Canelo's advantages are...

Speed (he's got faster hands)
Defence (his reflexes are a lot better)
Combinations (he puts punches together better)
Versatility (he can pressure or box on the back foot)

Golovkin has the edge in...

Power (he hits harder no doubt)
Jab (I think he has the better jab)
Strength (you'd assume he'd be the stronger man)

They're both accurate punchers
Who work both the body and head
But Canelo is younger and quicker.

In Boxing speed usually beats power
And versatility usually finds a way to beat strength
Neither guy has great footwork in my opinion
But I'd definitely give that edge to Canelo as well.

There is some nice analysis on that video. We could do with more of that quality stuff on here.

I'm very excited about this fight, as it's a proper old school best-versus-the-best scenario. Both guys should take some credit for being keen to take this one.

Golovkin is the middleweight monster who has been tearing up the division for the last 5 years. Always fit, cripplingly heavy hands, great chin and a hugely underrated technician. Stellar amateur career, been there and done that. Total confidence in his chin and his ability.

Alvarez, like many old school Mexican fighters, is vastly experienced for his age. Turned pro at 15 he will have seen everything there is to see in a ring. Solid solid guy, good chin, hard accurate puncher, tough as nails.

This is a real fight, which has been sadly overshadowed by the circus act that was on last month and that will only generate a fraction of the interest, coverage or earnings

So .... does Canelo get exposed when he finally fights someone who is not a couple of weight divisions smaller than he is? Do his slow feet mean he gets outmanoeuvred and driven to the ropes for a pounding. Will Golovkin surprise everyone and turn up in master boxing mode, as he did against Lemieux and as Mayweather so successfully did against Alvarez?

Or ...... does Golovkin suddenly get old very quickly? Does he turn up and struggle like he did in his last fight? Has Oscar very cleverly picked exactly the right time to catch up with GGG? Can Golovkin be outfoxed if he goes looking for a big knockout against such and experienced and talented opponent?

I think it's a great matchup. Very close on paper. Funnily enough, I see Canelo nullifying GGGs power by fighting right in front of him, right in the pocket. Golovkin likes middle range distance, and he likes to dispctate the pace and distance of the fight. Canelo is skilled enough to fight inside with Golovkin, if he is strong enough at the higher weight.

Both these guys are so good, I will be a little surprised to see an early knockout. I think both are canny enough to make it to the middle rounds, when either Golovkin's age or Alvarez' weight will prove decisive. On the balance of probabilities, I am going with GGG for a mid to late stoppage.

I just hope there's is no silly judging, incompetent refereeing or and other controversy!

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I think this will be one sided and I expect Canelo to out class him
I can't see anything other than a UD for Alvarez to be honest.

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Just when I thought we agreed on most things you go and write this. GGG will outclass Canelo and beat him convincingly.

Can a mod (who knows what he is doing) add a poll to this thread?

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I think Canelo's advantages are...

Speed (he's got faster hands)
Defence (his reflexes are a lot better)
Combinations (he puts punches together better)
Versatility (he can pressure or box on the back foot)

Golovkin has the edge in...

Power (he hits harder no doubt)
Jab (I think he has the better jab)
Strength (you'd assume he'd be the stronger man)

They're both accurate punchers
Who work both the body and head
But Canelo is younger and quicker.

In Boxing speed usually beats power
And versatility usually finds a way to beat strength
Neither guy has great footwork in my opinion
But I'd definitely give that edge to Canelo as well.

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Canelo likes to take time off in rounds and sit on the ropes waiting for the counter, I can't see him being able to do that against GGG

GGG power, jab and strength at the weight will be the deciding factors. I see Golovkin batter Canelo because he has wanted this fight for years and will be extra motivated.

Canelo has a solid chin but will be his undoing. Saul will take too much punishment. I can see GGG stop Canelo late in the fight.

It will be a good fight. Even a classic.