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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
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Ron Swanson
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Fenster
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Boxrec has GGG having beat 1 of top 8 MWs, Daniel Jacobs, and that win is very very disputable. His chasing that Canelo $$$ has stopped any notion of cleaning out the division.
That's one more than the other 7 combined have beat.
In the past year, between Jacobs, Charlo and Andrade they've faced Arias, Heiland and Fox. A round robin to find the best American would make sense. Unfortunately they'd rather chase $$$ then proving who is top dog.
Blaming the top contenders for the top guys not fighting them? I guess protect the white guys any way possible eh Fenster?
It’s Jacobs fault GGG, Lemieux and BJS all refused to even negotiate with him?
It’s Charlo’s fault GGG said he will never fight him even though he is his mandatory unless he is forced and even then it will be put off as long as possible(technically his trainer said)
How convenient for all the white guys they can refuse to fight the black guys and the black guys get blamed for it. And you suggest they should fight each other. Miss 1900 much?
Err.. what? White men? Black men?
I named the three
Americans from the top eight, race/colour had nothing to do with it (l'll easily prove why). Quite frankly i'm astonished (like, really, really, really shocked) anyone would see skin colour where nationality is the obvious factor.
Simply swap the three Americans for the other three in the top eight - Murata (Japan), Saunders (England) and Derevyanchenko (Ukraine). Now read the sentence again, the EXACT, EXACT same intention applies with an
Asian, Eastern European and Gypsy. I merely used the Americans as it's utterly ridiculous that world-class fighters from the same country avoid each other, let alone those separated by oceans.
Preach🛐
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
Looking forward to it. Despite the shit decision it was more than a decent scrap. Some quality rounds in there and Canelo actually proved there is a lot more to his arsenal than his detractors would have you believe. Hope GGG smashes ten bells out of him early on this time though and at leasts tries to get him out of there. It's dangerous but he is capable of doing it if the gameplan and mindset is right and if he doesn't they could end up doing up like a proper Kipper this time, butter an all.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
This is still the best and biggest match to be made in the division. Canelo proved he has a sturdy chin and boxed well at times with good combinations. I thought he would not survive to see the end of the fight but think he has the experience to survive again but take a beating in the process to lose more decisively.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
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This is still the best and biggest match to be made in the division. Canelo proved he has a sturdy chin and boxed well at times with good combinations. I thought he would not survive to see the end of the fight but think he has the experience to survive again but take a beating in the process to lose more decisively.
I also didn't think Canelo would make it to the final bell. Even though I thought he lost, he fought well. I'm not sure what happens in the rematch. I like to see GGG put an emphatic stamp on this fight.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
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This is still the best and biggest match to be made in the division. Canelo proved he has a sturdy chin and boxed well at times with good combinations. I thought he would not survive to see the end of the fight but think he has the experience to survive again but take a beating in the process to lose more decisively.
I think it is possibly the best fight in the division but I’m not completely convinced that either of them beats Charlo, Saunders, or Jacobs (many people thought he beat GGG). Rather than a rematch since we all know who really won, I would rather them fighting other top fighters to see who the best really is.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
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This is still the best and biggest match to be made in the division. Canelo proved he has a sturdy chin and boxed well at times with good combinations. I thought he would not survive to see the end of the fight but think he has the experience to survive again but take a beating in the process to lose more decisively.
I think it is possibly the best fight in the division but I’m not completely convinced that either of them beats Charlo, Saunders, or Jacobs (many people thought he beat GGG). Rather than a rematch since we all know who really won, I would rather them fighting other top fighters to see who the best really is.
It is unfinished business for GGG, he needs to right the wrong that happened.
After that GGG can take care of the contenders and pretenders. It is Canelo that has set the timetable for these fights happening.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
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This is still the best and biggest match to be made in the division. Canelo proved he has a sturdy chin and boxed well at times with good combinations. I thought he would not survive to see the end of the fight but think he has the experience to survive again but take a beating in the process to lose more decisively.
I think it is possibly the best fight in the division but I’m not completely convinced that either of them beats Charlo, Saunders, or Jacobs (many people thought he beat GGG). Rather than a rematch since we all know who really won, I would rather them fighting other top fighters to see who the best really is.
It is unfinished business for GGG, he needs to right the wrong that happened.
After that GGG can take care of the contenders and pretenders. It is Canelo that has set the timetable for these fights happening.
And it is Golovkin who is dancing to his tune. There’s enough good MW’s out there to ignore Canelo/GBP’s antics. Canelo has only fought at the MW Limit once, and is unlikely to fight any of the better fighters in the division after this.
@powerpuncher hit the nail absolutely clean on the head.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Master
This is still the best and biggest match to be made in the division. Canelo proved he has a sturdy chin and boxed well at times with good combinations. I thought he would not survive to see the end of the fight but think he has the experience to survive again but take a beating in the process to lose more decisively.
I think it is possibly the best fight in the division but I’m not completely convinced that either of them beats Charlo, Saunders, or Jacobs (many people thought he beat GGG). Rather than a rematch since we all know who really won, I would rather them fighting other top fighters to see who the best really is.
It is unfinished business for GGG, he needs to right the wrong that happened.
After that GGG can take care of the contenders and pretenders. It is Canelo that has set the timetable for these fights happening.
And it is Golovkin who is dancing to his tune. There’s enough good MW’s out there to ignore Canelo/GBP’s antics. Canelo has only fought at the MW Limit once, and is unlikely to fight any of the better fighters in the division after this.
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powerpuncher hit the nail absolutely clean on the head.
Says the guy who always tells me that I should see the real world and business side in boxing. :rolleyes:
You hypocrite. :)
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
Beans is wrong if he is hoping for 10 bells to be smashed
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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This is still the best and biggest match to be made in the division. Canelo proved he has a sturdy chin and boxed well at times with good combinations. I thought he would not survive to see the end of the fight but think he has the experience to survive again but take a beating in the process to lose more decisively.
I think it is possibly the best fight in the division but I’m not completely convinced that either of them beats Charlo, Saunders, or Jacobs (many people thought he beat GGG). Rather than a rematch since we all know who really won, I would rather them fighting other top fighters to see who the best really is.
It is unfinished business for GGG, he needs to right the wrong that happened.
After that GGG can take care of the contenders and pretenders. It is Canelo that has set the timetable for these fights happening.
And it is Golovkin who is dancing to his tune. There’s enough good MW’s out there to ignore Canelo/GBP’s antics. Canelo has only fought at the MW Limit once, and is unlikely to fight any of the better fighters in the division after this.
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powerpuncher hit the nail absolutely clean on the head.
Says the guy who always tells me that I should see the real world and business side in boxing. :rolleyes:
You hypocrite. :)
But IT IS the business side. If Golovkin and the rest of the MW's boycott GBP/Canelo or make him fall in line and fight each other, then their legacies will be enhanced and the money will come.
By the same way , if Canelo keeps fighting circus shows at Caneloweight, that well will run dry . This was already starting to happen , hence he had to fight GGG.
I know you think GGG is the be all and end all of the division, and a couple of years ago he was, and I felt the same.
But fight on fight he is deteriorating and at his age you don't get spikes of improvement. The one most likely to improve from the last fight is Canelo.
Now I quite like Canelo, I really like GGG , but you can no longer hand on heart say that they are the best in the division. Consequently a rematch does nothing but line their pockets, and as idealistic as it is , I want to see the best fight the best and keep proving they're the best.
Golovkin used to do that, no doubt about it, But in fighting Brook and Canelo he isn't doing it.
As big a cunt as old fishnets is, he may well have just about timed this to perfection.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
Hand on heart, Golovkin is by some margin the best in the division. People are taking the fact that he did not KO Jacobs as some daft reason to ignore everything he has achieved so far. He won that fight and quite clearly too. He beat Canelo and whilst I am a huge BJS fan, I think Golvkin still beats him. He is not old, just not 25..bloody whippersnappers who think life ends at 30
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
Box Nation had it ppv, wonder which TV company will show this fight.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
It should be another good fight, but I’m not happy about these two guys trying to hold up the division for a year before fighting other worthy opponents.
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If Canelo doesn't fight scared this time they will be a knockout by the seventh round.
Nobody wants to watch Carrot Top running and running and backpedaling for 12 rounds again
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
Not even sure i'm up for this fight it seems like wave after wave of bullsh*t till either age or fixes screw GGG out of his titles and place in boxing. Jacobs 15lb weight advantage, Canelo probably had a 10lb weight advantage, tried to wait him out till he started to slip, then he apparently wasn't old enough so they had to bend him over on the score cards. It's getting ridiculous. There used to be a time when fighters countered power with speed, movement and skill instead of just packing on mass and bought judges giving you mystery points for surviving.
Eventually it will happen. Will it be this fight, i don't know. But if it does, its as much GGG's fault for waiting around for this rather than pressing the wbo and saunders. Both before and after the first fight. Whether the motivation is money or revenge I think GGG is losing sight of what he set out to accomplish and its all coming off the rails. Just my 2 cents... Maybe I'll get excited for it around may but I'm having trouble finding the logic behind it now.
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The thing I’m really hoping doesn’t happen is a trilogy. That’s would be awful
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
I thought Canelo fought an excellent tactical fight against GGG. He was mobile, he made GGG stand off him much more that I have ever seen him. He had really fast hands and packed enough power to get GGG's respect. Smart boxing.
Having said that, I had GGG as the clear winner of the first fight.
I think this second fight will be quite different. Canelo knows he can stand GGG's power, he knows he has faster hands than Golovkin and he knows that it is easy to hit him. Canelo started and finished fast, and his skills won him those rounds. I think he knows he has the gas tank to fight like that for more rounds.
I think Canelo will be better in this fight and - at best - GGG can only be as good as he was last time. He is at that stage of his career.
With that in mind, and notwithstanding the possibility of another poor judging scenario ...... I genuinely have this as a 50-50 fight.
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I thought Canelo fought an excellent tactical fight against GGG. He was mobile, he made GGG stand off him much more that I have ever seen him. He had really fast hands and packed enough power to get GGG's respect. Smart boxing.
Having said that, I had GGG as the clear winner of the first fight.
I think this second fight will be quite different. Canelo knows he can stand GGG's power, he knows he has faster hands than Golovkin and he knows that it is easy to hit him. Canelo started and finished fast, and his skills won him those rounds. I think he knows he has the gas tank to fight like that for more rounds.
I think Canelo will be better in this fight and - at best - GGG can only be as good as he was last time. He is at that stage of his career.
With that in mind, and notwithstanding the possibility of another poor judging scenario ...... I genuinely have this as a 50-50 fight.
Golovkin could start faster this time and throw more combinations behind his jab. Also cut the ring off better and maybe focus on the body of Canelo more.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
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I thought Canelo fought an excellent tactical fight against GGG. He was mobile, he made GGG stand off him much more that I have ever seen him. He had really fast hands and packed enough power to get GGG's respect. Smart boxing.
Having said that, I had GGG as the clear winner of the first fight.
I think this second fight will be quite different. Canelo knows he can stand GGG's power, he knows he has faster hands than Golovkin and he knows that it is easy to hit him. Canelo started and finished fast, and his skills won him those rounds. I think he knows he has the gas tank to fight like that for more rounds.
I think Canelo will be better in this fight and - at best - GGG can only be as good as he was last time. He is at that stage of his career.
With that in mind, and notwithstanding the possibility of another poor judging scenario ...... I genuinely have this as a 50-50 fight.
Golovkin could start faster this time and throw more combinations behind his jab. Also cut the ring off better and maybe focus on the body of Canelo more.
Canelo is good but not that good. Only the Gyspy King can punch himself.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
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If Canelo doesn't fight scared this time they will be a knockout by the seventh round.
Nobody wants to watch Carrot Top running and running and backpedaling for 12 rounds again
He was wasn't fighting scared idiot he was taking away big dramas weapon, and I love Golovkin. My boss doesn't understand why I take these fight nights off, he must be myopic
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Yes.
I'm a big big Golovkin fan ....... and Canelo was not running away at all. He was drawing him in, controlling the area of the ring they would fight in, countering and mugging for the judges too.
Canelo is a proper fighter, not a runner.
I fervently hope GGG wins the fight, but whatever happens, I will still think Alvarez is quality
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Yes.
I'm a big big Golovkin fan ....... and Canelo was not running away at all. He was drawing him in, controlling the area of the ring they would fight in, countering and mugging for the judges too.
Canelo is a proper fighter, not a runner.
I fervently hope GGG wins the fight, but whatever happens, I will still think Alvarez is quality
Yes, I should qualify my statement, golovkin won that fight, close fight, but triple G won, actually I think he won by quite a few rounds
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Yes.
I'm a big big Golovkin fan ....... and Canelo was not running away at all. He was drawing him in, controlling the area of the ring they would fight in, countering and mugging for the judges too.
Canelo is a proper fighter, not a runner.
I fervently hope GGG wins the fight, but whatever happens, I will still think Alvarez is quality
Yes, I should qualify my statement, golovkin won that fight, close fight, but triple G won, actually I think he won by quite a few rounds
Then it was not a close fight, :rolleyes:
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
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I thought Canelo fought an excellent tactical fight against GGG. He was mobile, he made GGG stand off him much more that I have ever seen him. He had really fast hands and packed enough power to get GGG's respect. Smart boxing.
Having said that, I had GGG as the clear winner of the first fight.
I think this second fight will be quite different. Canelo knows he can stand GGG's power, he knows he has faster hands than Golovkin and he knows that it is easy to hit him. Canelo started and finished fast, and his skills won him those rounds. I think he knows he has the gas tank to fight like that for more rounds.
I think Canelo will be better in this fight and - at best - GGG can only be as good as he was last time. He is at that stage of his career.
With that in mind, and notwithstanding the possibility of another poor judging scenario ...... I genuinely have this as a 50-50 fight.
Golovkin could start faster this time and throw more combinations behind his jab. Also cut the ring off better and maybe focus on the body of Canelo more.
It was strange Golovkin didn't work the body more in the 1st fight.
The whole fight went just as I thought it would without the body punching element from Golovkin which was a surprise. Maybe he thought he'd lose points for claimed fouls. ...
I knew the 1st fight would be a 12 rounder with dodgy scorecards and that's what we got. I'm expecting the same thing again in May
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Master
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I thought Canelo fought an excellent tactical fight against GGG. He was mobile, he made GGG stand off him much more that I have ever seen him. He had really fast hands and packed enough power to get GGG's respect. Smart boxing.
Having said that, I had GGG as the clear winner of the first fight.
I think this second fight will be quite different. Canelo knows he can stand GGG's power, he knows he has faster hands than Golovkin and he knows that it is easy to hit him. Canelo started and finished fast, and his skills won him those rounds. I think he knows he has the gas tank to fight like that for more rounds.
I think Canelo will be better in this fight and - at best - GGG can only be as good as he was last time. He is at that stage of his career.
With that in mind, and notwithstanding the possibility of another poor judging scenario ...... I genuinely have this as a 50-50 fight.
Golovkin could start faster this time and throw more combinations behind his jab. Also cut the ring off better and maybe focus on the body of Canelo more.
It was strange Golovkin didn't work the body more in the 1st fight.
The whole fight went just as I thought it would without the body punching element from Golovkin which was a surprise. Maybe he thought he'd lose points for claimed fouls. ...
I knew the 1st fight would be a 12 rounder with dodgy scorecards and that's what we got. I'm expecting the same thing again in May
GGG will have to go to the body as Canelo has shown he has a very good chin and unlikely to be knocked out that way. Both got tagged with huge punches and neither really flinched.
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Master
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Master
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I thought Canelo fought an excellent tactical fight against GGG. He was mobile, he made GGG stand off him much more that I have ever seen him. He had really fast hands and packed enough power to get GGG's respect. Smart boxing.
Having said that, I had GGG as the clear winner of the first fight.
I think this second fight will be quite different. Canelo knows he can stand GGG's power, he knows he has faster hands than Golovkin and he knows that it is easy to hit him. Canelo started and finished fast, and his skills won him those rounds. I think he knows he has the gas tank to fight like that for more rounds.
I think Canelo will be better in this fight and - at best - GGG can only be as good as he was last time. He is at that stage of his career.
With that in mind, and notwithstanding the possibility of another poor judging scenario ...... I genuinely have this as a 50-50 fight.
Golovkin could start faster this time and throw more combinations behind his jab. Also cut the ring off better and maybe focus on the body of Canelo more.
It was strange Golovkin didn't work the body more in the 1st fight.
The whole fight went just as I thought it would without the body punching element from Golovkin which was a surprise. Maybe he thought he'd lose points for claimed fouls. ...
I knew the 1st fight would be a 12 rounder with dodgy scorecards and that's what we got. I'm expecting the same thing again in May
GGG will have to go to the body as Canelo has shown he has a very good chin and unlikely to be knocked out that way. Both got tagged with huge punches and neither really flinched.
it seems to me that GGG is ageing and hasn't got the patience or stamina to prolong attacks to the body . So he's going for the killer blow, and it played into Canelo's hands a bit.
by the time of the next fight , GGG will not be any younger.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
Most feel GGG won the first fight, here he gets another big payday and the chance to erase any doubt. I don't think the inactivity will help GGG, he was used to fighting 3 to 4 times a year. GBP have done everything to get the advantage for Canelo. With Oscar already talking off a 3rd fight, you can bet it'll be close on the cards if Canelo makes it to the final bell.
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
Gennady Golovkin and Canelo Alvarez make rematch predictions as middleweights insist they won first clash
Gennady Golovkin and Canelo Alvarez came face to face ahead of their rematch, with each insisting they won their first clash.
The middleweights fought to a controversial draw last September and will attempt to settle the score in May.
And both predicted they will ensure there are no doubts come the final bell in Las Vegas.
"I felt very comfortable. I felt I won. 100 per cent," Golovkin said.
"Everything is ready for an amazing show."
Canelo, who appeared fortunate not to lose on the judges' cards last year, added: "I went in there, I outboxed him, I went on the ropes, I made him miss, I controlled the centre of the ring.
"I'm a technical fighter. I'm not a jack-a*s who just comes forward, throwing punches and gets hit.
"I learned a lot. When I made him miss there were a lot of openings that I didn't take advantage of. Now I'm going to work in the gym to take advantage of those chances.
"We both want to win convincingly. We both want to erase any doubt. And that's going to make the fight more interesting — because if we take more risks, there's going to be more openings."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news...cid=spartanntp
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Re: Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018
I see Oscar is now saying that Canelo doesn't think GGG hit's hard, and now that he knows that, he will go marching forward and go for the knockout. Nobody hits hard months after the fight when you are not in the ring opposite them. He had ample opportunity and was virtually booed out of the ring by his own fans. That was a little harsh, I think he put on the fight of his life but Golovkin's power definitely made him more cautious and revert to boxing. Canelo is a great boxer no denying that, but he was matched by GGG and ultimately outgunned. A decisive finish would be nice but I can't see Canelo taking any more risks this time. If he does it only plays into GGG's hands.
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I see Oscar is now saying that Canelo doesn't think GGG hit's hard, and now that he knows that, he will go marching forward and go for the knockout. Nobody hits hard months after the fight when you are not in the ring opposite them. He had ample opportunity and was virtually booed out of the ring by his own fans. That was a little harsh, I think he put on the fight of his life but Golovkin's power definitely made him more cautious and revert to boxing. Canelo is a great boxer no denying that, but he was matched by GGG and ultimately outgunned. A decisive finish would be nice but I can't see Canelo taking any more risks this time. If he does it only plays into GGG's hands.
I hope GGG does not load up too much to prove he was the winner the last time and make unnecessary mistakes.
Consistent, steady and meaningful pressure from GGG is the key to win the fight.
Both have sturdy chins so see it going the distance but more action in the fight.
