Quigg would murder Frampton in a rematch , Valdez will murder Santa Cruz.
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Quigg would murder Frampton in a rematch , Valdez will murder Santa Cruz.
Quigg has never been one of my favourite fighters but hats off to him there, fought a really good fight, Valdez was the clear winner but Quigg never stopped.
His nose was quite comical at the end as well.
So did Quigg redeem himself after not making weight?
It was a great fight, credit to both guys. This is the thing about Boxing, looking at the scores , it looks like Quigg got hammered, and his face. But some of those rounds were close and Valdez had to work really hard for the win he deserved.
Interesting to see where both of these go next. I’m there to be shot down, but my own opinion is that Selby is the man in this division, but he needs to prove it, and his next fight doesn’t really prove anything. Should be fairly routine.
I feel for Quigg a bit because he missed the weight by quite a bit and that always brings up the “unprofessional” comment, from me as much as anybody. But he must be really gutted because he is so professional and so dedicated.
Right guy won pity I like Scott good fight.
I think Santa Cruz wins. It would be a great fight though. Santa Cruz is a bit more polished and showed that he can box a bit more if needed. And he can’t be outworked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Lots of talent at 126. I also really like Joseph Diaz, if he can beat part timer Russell Jr he puts himself at the top of the division.
Valdez gets a heap of credit, he had to work hard but who knows his big Quigg was in that ring.
Quigg was 142lbs on the night, Valdez was about 135lb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Crazy really. I don't mind if you blow up after making the official weight, but when you fail you should have a re-hydration weight applied to you. Valdez has been in a few wars already, who knows what sort of toll the jaw injury and this battle against a much bigger man will have on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraQuigg was 142lbs on the night, Valdez was about 135lb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Ya, 126 is great. Santa Cruz, Mares, Valdez, Quigg, Frampton, Jo Jo Diaz, Russell Jr, Donaire, Selby, and Warrington.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
That is a very legit top 10 for a weight class.
No surgery for Oscar Valdez but return unknown after jaw wired shut for 5 weeks
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...st-scott-quigg
Not surprised that he won’t be back in the ring for a while. Unfortunate because he will probably be out for a year then have to take a tune up. So he probably won’t have a big fight until at least mid 2019.
Was it really worth it for Valdez? Very damaging.
No, you’re right, it wasn’t worth it. He should’ve either pulled out and been out of pocket or as soon as it got tough, he should’ve given up!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
How about not going ahead with the fight or insisting Quigg weigh far less than he did. Dangerous sport to mess about with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNo, you’re right, it wasn’t worth it. He should’ve either pulled out and been out of pocket or as soon as it got tough, he should’ve given up!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Finally watched full fight. Great dust up by two guys who wear it all on the sleeve. Early bodywork by Valdez very impressive and despite Quiggs extra weight he looked to be outgunned for large part. He did have Valdez wobbled though. Valdez still not using his jab as much as he should and I don't think he'll steer away from these types of wars in the future. Would love to see Valdez and Selby go at it and favor Valdez there.
He can’t afford Not going ahead, and insisting on Quigg weighing less would’ve probably resulted in the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHow about not going ahead with the fight or insisting Quigg weigh far less than he did. Dangerous sport to mess about with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNo, you’re right, it wasn’t worth it. He should’ve either pulled out and been out of pocket or as soon as it got tough, he should’ve given up!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
At the moment , these guys are thinking of how they’re gonna survive financially. It’s easy with hindsight, he never knew he was gonna get his jaw smashed up, did he?
No he did not but that is something that his advisors and him should have taken into consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHe can’t afford Not going ahead, and insisting on Quigg weighing less would’ve probably resulted in the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHow about not going ahead with the fight or insisting Quigg weigh far less than he did. Dangerous sport to mess about with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNo, you’re right, it wasn’t worth it. He should’ve either pulled out and been out of pocket or as soon as it got tough, he should’ve given up!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
At the moment , these guys are thinking of how they’re gonna survive financially. It’s easy with hindsight, he never knew he was gonna get his jaw smashed up, did he?
No guarantees that he wouldn't have got his jaw smashed if Quigg did weigh less, that can happen in any fight in all fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo he did not but that is something that his advisors and him should have taken into consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHe can’t afford Not going ahead, and insisting on Quigg weighing less would’ve probably resulted in the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHow about not going ahead with the fight or insisting Quigg weigh far less than he did. Dangerous sport to mess about with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNo, you’re right, it wasn’t worth it. He should’ve either pulled out and been out of pocket or as soon as it got tough, he should’ve given up!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
At the moment , these guys are thinking of how they’re gonna survive financially. It’s easy with hindsight, he never knew he was gonna get his jaw smashed up, did he?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Yes it is and if he had a choice now I bet he would have not gone ahead with the contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanNo guarantees that he wouldn't have got his jaw smashed if Quigg did weigh less, that can happen in any fight in all fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo he did not but that is something that his advisors and him should have taken into consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHe can’t afford Not going ahead, and insisting on Quigg weighing less would’ve probably resulted in the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHow about not going ahead with the fight or insisting Quigg weigh far less than he did. Dangerous sport to mess about with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNo, you’re right, it wasn’t worth it. He should’ve either pulled out and been out of pocket or as soon as it got tough, he should’ve given up!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
At the moment , these guys are thinking of how they’re gonna survive financially. It’s easy with hindsight, he never knew he was gonna get his jaw smashed up, did he?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo he did not but that is something that his advisors and him should have taken into consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHe can’t afford Not going ahead, and insisting on Quigg weighing less would’ve probably resulted in the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHow about not going ahead with the fight or insisting Quigg weigh far less than he did. Dangerous sport to mess about with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNo, you’re right, it wasn’t worth it. He should’ve either pulled out and been out of pocket or as soon as it got tough, he should’ve given up!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
At the moment , these guys are thinking of how they’re gonna survive financially. It’s easy with hindsight, he never knew he was gonna get his jaw smashed up, did he?
Valdez’s advisers - “careful you don’t break your jaw.”
Valdez - “uh, yeah, thanks for the advice.” ;D
Valdez’s advisers - “If you break your jaw and can not fight for 8 months do not come crying to us.”
Valdez - “Um .... maybe I should not be taking this fight against an opponent who has not bothered to make weight"
I was talking about having alternates lined up on the undercard in another thread. Maybe if Valdez knew he could still fight a fairly respectable opponent who had been training for a fight at the same weight and night his team would have told Quigg to go f-ck himself. I'm glad Quigg lost. The sport needs to take a stance on fighters who blow weight.
Fixed that for you as to what would REALLY happen. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master