Deontay Wilder ACCEPTS Anthony Joshua terms with REMATCH CLAUSE for 2018 UK CLASH

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Originally Posted by Drago

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Like I said all along, they’re all full of shit. I knew it wouldn’t happen. Ron will say it’s Eddie’s fault, Joshua fans will say Wilder chickened out, do you know what, I don’t give a fuck either way.
If they don’t fight, I don’t care whose fault it is, because if BOTH Parties wanted it enough, it would’ve happened.
I’m not saying Wilder should’ve bent over and accepted, but I think he has way more to lose financially than Joshua if they don’t fight.
I also think that Povetkin might even have the backing to get the fight in Russia like he did for the Wlad fight and for the Wilder fight that never ended up happening, and it could be very uncomfortable for team AJ.

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reckon AJ will drop WBA belt if goes to Russia

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Don’t disagree, but if he does , it will give all the people against Team AJ more Ammunition to call him a spoilt brat at best and a coward at worst.

Haha, Wilder said yesterday he would be agreeing and have the contract to Eddie by Friday. After finally getting the details of date and venue that we’re left out of the contract FFS. Both sides you say, who sends a contract with no F’n date? Blaming both sides is exactly what Eddie wants. Congratulations fish

In the overall scheme of things, it may not be a bad idea for AJ and Wilder to fight mandatories before facing each other. I do find it a bit amusing that the WBA president would "lose patience" with the AJ-Wilder negotiations and order the Povetkin fight. It's not like there's been a lot of inactivity for either fighter. That, and the fact that negotiations finally seemed to be reaching an end. But whatever..... time is definitely on the side of both fighters, age is not an issue. And if they're truly the two best heavyweights in boxing, they'll dispatch their mandatories and make their showdown that much bigger.

Apparently Shelly Finkle has said Eddie has given Wilder a date of April 13th 2019 @ wembley

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Haha, Wilder said yesterday he would be agreeing and have the contract to Eddie by Friday. After finally getting the details of date and venue that we’re left out of the contract FFS. Both sides you say, who sends a contract with no F’n date? Blaming both sides is exactly what Eddie wants. Congratulations fish

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haha , didn’t take long for Mr. Smuggo to post! :rolleyes:

Firstly, why does it take 9 days for this date business to come out?
Secondly , have you physically seen this?
who sends a contract with no date? What about who sends a contract with no venue, no TV Lined up, no breakdown of funds?
And I’m the fish? What a mug you are , my little pedigree chum. ;D

The rematch bothers me. If both fighters put on a good show people would be begging for a rematch. If someone is KO'ed in the first round then a rematch and tons of money flies out the window.

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

The rematch bothers me. If both fighters put on a good show people would be begging for a rematch. If someone is KO'ed in the first round then a rematch and tons of money flies out the window.

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If AJ got smoked in 1 rd I would wanna see a rematch, not so sure the other way round?

Hope they actually get this sorted.

Seems it's Joshua/Hearn Who have fucked this all up and don't want it as much as Wilder does as the next fight.
After all the contract B.S. how can Hearn send a contract to Wilder with no date in it, no venue and a one sided rematch clause for Joshua only.

Wilder should show this contract publicly if what he says is true and expose Hearn.

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Originally Posted by smashup

Seems it's Joshua/Hearn Who have fucked this all up and don't want it as much as Wilder does as the next fight.
After all the contract B.S. how can Hearn send a contract to Wilder with no date in it, no venue and a one sided rematch clause for Joshua only.

Wilder should show this contract publicly if what he says is true and expose Hearn.

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Exactly! Show it!

If anyone gets smashed early there will be no need for a rematch.

Seems like AJ is moving on to other pastures, so what now?

There's this:

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2018/06...f/#more-265891


Granted, Fury talks a lot of shit but..... what if this were to happen? How would it pan out?

The blame is on Hearn and AJ for this one. Wilders team may have had some fault but I think Hearn is probably going the Arum route and letting it “marinate.”

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Seems like AJ is moving on to other pastures, so what now?

There's this:

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2018/06...f/#more-265891


Granted, Fury talks a lot of shit but..... what if this were to happen? How would it pan out?

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I can see Wilder and AJ both put silly offers to face Fury rather than fight one another next year.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Seems like AJ is moving on to other pastures, so what now?

There's this:

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2018/06...f/#more-265891


Granted, Fury talks a lot of shit but..... what if this were to happen? How would it pan out?

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I can see Wilder and AJ both put silly offers to face Fury rather than fight one another next year.

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Not sure if Fury will be out of “Pantomime “ mode by next year.

AJ makes tons of money no matter what he does. He has a whole country backing him and calling him the real champ so he doesn’t need the Wilder fight. AJ has a ton to lose. It just bothers me that these stupid cash cows with the benefit of their country’s fans get all of the power of negotiation.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

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Seems like AJ is moving on to other pastures, so what now?

There's this:

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2018/06...f/#more-265891


Granted, Fury talks a lot of shit but..... what if this were to happen? How would it pan out?

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I can see Wilder and AJ both put silly offers to face Fury rather than fight one another next year.

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Not sure if Fury will be out of “Pantomime “ mode by next year.

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True but will not stop them making him offers that he may take up by the end of next year or sooner if they realise that it may be more lucrative to cash in as Tyson may never get back to his best.

Joshua and his team bitched out on this one. Pathetic. Last heavyweight to duck like this was Riddick Bowe and you see how/where he ended up. Hope Wilder fights Fury next. Ortiz was a beast and very skilled fighter, but Tyson is HUGE and very awkward. Will be interesting. Still think if Cunningham knocked Fury down that Wilder can starch him.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

AJ makes tons of money no matter what he does. He has a whole country backing him and calling him the real champ so he doesn’t need the Wilder fight. AJ has a ton to lose. It just bothers me that these stupid cash cows with the benefit of their country’s fans get all of the power of negotiation.

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.....annnnnd...... I think we all know who the King of Stupid Cash Cows is. (Hint: He ate tainted ones of his own kind.) :-X ;D


I think AJ's legions of fans would probably not be as forgiving of AJ if he consistently ducked opponents and then got caught cheating.

Another thing in AJ's favor is he has no weight finagling issues to worry about. ;) ;)

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

AJ makes tons of money no matter what he does. He has a whole country backing him and calling him the real champ so he doesn’t need the Wilder fight. AJ has a ton to lose. It just bothers me that these stupid cash cows with the benefit of their country’s fans get all of the power of negotiation.

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.....annnnnd...... I think we all know who the King of Stupid Cash Cows is. (Hint: He ate tainted ones of his own kind.) :-X ;D


I think AJ's legions of fans would probably not be as forgiving of AJ if he consistently ducked opponents and then got caught cheating.

Another thing in AJ's favor is he has no weight finagling issues to worry about. ;) ;)

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AJ is basically like Canelo but just not as crooked. Canelo is an obvious cheat and gets gift decisions. AJ hasn’t had to do any of that yet.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

AJ makes tons of money no matter what he does. He has a whole country backing him and calling him the real champ so he doesn’t need the Wilder fight. AJ has a ton to lose. It just bothers me that these stupid cash cows with the benefit of their country’s fans get all of the power of negotiation.

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.....annnnnd...... I think we all know who the King of Stupid Cash Cows is. (Hint: He ate tainted ones of his own kind.) :-X ;D


I think AJ's legions of fans would probably not be as forgiving of AJ if he consistently ducked opponents and then got caught cheating.

Another thing in AJ's favor is he has no weight finagling issues to worry about. ;) ;)

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AJ is basically like Canelo but just not as crooked. Canelo is an obvious cheat and gets gift decisions. AJ hasn’t had to do any of that yet.

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The optimistic (or naive) side of me thinks AJ's fans would turn away if AJ came within sniffing distance of what Ginger gets away with. Dunno..... maybe I'm wrong.

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AJ makes tons of money no matter what he does. He has a whole country backing him and calling him the real champ so he doesn’t need the Wilder fight. AJ has a ton to lose. It just bothers me that these stupid cash cows with the benefit of their country’s fans get all of the power of negotiation.

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.....annnnnd...... I think we all know who the King of Stupid Cash Cows is. (Hint: He ate tainted ones of his own kind.) :-X ;D


I think AJ's legions of fans would probably not be as forgiving of AJ if he consistently ducked opponents and then got caught cheating.

Another thing in AJ's favor is he has no weight finagling issues to worry about. ;) ;)

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AJ is basically like Canelo but just not as crooked. Canelo is an obvious cheat and gets gift decisions. AJ hasn’t had to do any of that yet.

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The optimistic (or naive) side of me thinks AJ's fans would turn away if AJ came within sniffing distance of what Ginger gets away with. Dunno..... maybe I'm wrong.

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Maybe. I mean, Mexican fans don’t seem to care what their fighters do. I know tons of Mexicans still supported Margarito after the glove incident. I would hope British fans are a bit more level headed and turn on a cheater. I mean, I feel like Brits should be hating on AJ after this whole thing for ducking Wilder. We will see though...

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Haha, Wilder said yesterday he would be agreeing and have the contract to Eddie by Friday. After finally getting the details of date and venue that we’re left out of the contract FFS. Both sides you say, who sends a contract with no F’n date? Blaming both sides is exactly what Eddie wants. Congratulations fish

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haha , didn’t take long for Mr. Smuggo to post! :rolleyes:

Firstly, why does it take 9 days for this date business to come out?
Secondly , have you physically seen this?
who sends a contract with no date? What about who sends a contract with no venue, no TV Lined up, no breakdown of funds?
And I’m the fish? What a mug you are , my little pedigree chum. ;D

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We’re going to pretend an offer is the same as a contract now? All the lies are out there man. Believe what you want, the truth has been exposed. And it didn’t take 9 days, they emailed the first day asking about date and venue. You can find it if you wish or put your head in the sand if you wish. I don’t care either way.

Took your time Ron. I nearly called out missing persons. Bbbuuuuut, but,but. Same shit, different day.

WILDER IS A DISGRACE.

Step up FFS.

He is planning to fight someone that AJ beats ages ago.

Regardless of who wins the fight..AJ is the A side with all the belts!

Wilder is a complete joke..just beat a 54 year old Cuban and ducked Whyte.

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Originally Posted by imp

WILDER IS A DISGRACE.

Step up FFS.

He is planning to fight someone that AJ beats ages ago.

Regardless of who wins the fight..AJ is the A side with all the belts!

Wilder is a complete joke..just beat a 54 year old Cuban and ducked Whyte.

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Whilst AJ is taking on a drug cheat that Wilder was about to fight bedore he got caught and got knocked down by Price in his last fight.

I think AJ and Eddie got what they wanted all along which was not the unification fight until they make some more money at home. They bottled it.

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AJ makes tons of money no matter what he does. He has a whole country backing him and calling him the real champ so he doesn’t need the Wilder fight. AJ has a ton to lose. It just bothers me that these stupid cash cows with the benefit of their country’s fans get all of the power of negotiation.

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.....annnnnd...... I think we all know who the King of Stupid Cash Cows is. (Hint: He ate tainted ones of his own kind.) :-X ;D


I think AJ's legions of fans would probably not be as forgiving of AJ if he consistently ducked opponents and then got caught cheating.

Another thing in AJ's favor is he has no weight finagling issues to worry about. ;) ;)

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AJ is basically like Canelo but just not as crooked. Canelo is an obvious cheat and gets gift decisions. AJ hasn’t had to do any of that yet.

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The optimistic (or naive) side of me thinks AJ's fans would turn away if AJ came within sniffing distance of what Ginger gets away with. Dunno..... maybe I'm wrong.

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Maybe. I mean, Mexican fans don’t seem to care what their fighters do. I know tons of Mexicans still supported Margarito after the glove incident. I would hope British fans are a bit more level headed and turn on a cheater. I mean, I feel like Brits should be hating on AJ after this whole thing for ducking Wilder. We will see though...

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Exactly (on the first part you said). But my point is Joshua is nowhere near Ginger and/or Margacheato territory. True.... I'd expect some impatience from fans for not grabbing a fight with Wilder right now (if he really wants to unify), but you can't put this in the same stratosphere as the other transgressions mentioned. Now if this perceived ducking turned into a constant thing..... I would expect some real anger from the UK fans. I think the reason AJ probably gets a free pass right now is that he ended a LONG drought of British HW champions in what let's face it, is boxing's glamour division. He shouldn't waste that goodwill.

From what I'm reading from Wilder's side Joshua just wanted all the advantages. Fight in Britain, pick the judges and ref, the rematch clause/contract written the way they want it. Well so what. Joshua is the lineal champ. He's the attraction. He's just asking for what generations of American fighters have had handed to them for years as a matter of course with nobody complaining. Fights in America, not just three American judges but three Vegas judges normally, American (Vegas) ref and so on. Wilder can keep fighting for million dollar purses and Joshua can keep filling stadiums and making tens of millions a fight.

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From what I'm reading from Wilder's side Joshua just wanted all the advantages. Fight in Britain, pick the judges and ref, the rematch clause/contract written the way they want it. Well so what. Joshua is the lineal champ. He's the attraction. He's just asking for what generations of American fighters have had handed to them for years as a matter of course with nobody complaining. Fights in America, not just three American judges but three Vegas judges normally, American (Vegas) ref and so on. Wilder can keep fighting for million dollar purses and Joshua can keep filling stadiums and making tens of millions a fight.

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yeah only person missing out is wilder

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Originally Posted by Master

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WILDER IS A DISGRACE.

Step up FFS.

He is planning to fight someone that AJ beats ages ago.

Regardless of who wins the fight..AJ is the A side with all the belts!

Wilder is a complete joke..just beat a 54 year old Cuban and ducked Whyte.

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Whilst AJ is taking on a drug cheat that Wilder was about to fight bedore he got caught and got knocked down by Price in his last fight.

I think AJ and Eddie got what they wanted all along which was not the unification fight until they make some more money at home. They bottled it.

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Who has fought the tougher opposition in the shortest amount of time..AJ.

Whether you like AJ or not..he is the A side and it’s down to Wilder to step up to the plate.

I still think a fit healthy Fury will outbox them both if his chin holds out.

Fury won’t be ready until 2020..AJ is the one with x3 of the belts..Wilder is a disgrace if he fails to make this fight.

Whyte would fight anyone..

It’s insane that anybody is justifying AJ. Sure, I can buy the fact that he could get some advantages, but it’s pretty clear that they were pushing everything to a point to where Wilder wouldn’t sign the contract because he was at too much of a disadvantage. Then Hearn can say “we gave him the contract and he refused to sign it so we will fight somebody else.”

Very obvious duck.

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Originally Posted by Master

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WILDER IS A DISGRACE.

Step up FFS.

He is planning to fight someone that AJ beats ages ago.

Regardless of who wins the fight..AJ is the A side with all the belts!

Wilder is a complete joke..just beat a 54 year old Cuban and ducked Whyte.

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Whilst AJ is taking on a drug cheat that Wilder was about to fight bedore he got caught and got knocked down by Price in his last fight.

I think AJ and Eddie got what they wanted all along which was not the unification fight until they make some more money at home. They bottled it.

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Who has fought the tougher opposition in the shortest amount of time..AJ.

Whether you like AJ or not..he is the A side and it’s down to Wilder to step up to the plate.

I still think a fit healthy Fury will outbox them both if his chin holds out.

Fury won’t be ready until 2020..AJ is the one with x3 of the belts..Wilder is a disgrace if he fails to make this fight.

Whyte would fight anyone..

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Wilder accepted and gave a lot of ground. Eddie never wanted it this year, he wants more easy pay days before risking his golden goose.

If wilder does'nt fight AJ then who does he fight? he will be fighting guys AJ has already beaten.

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If wilder does'nt fight AJ then who does he fight? he will be fighting guys AJ has already beaten.

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His mandatory is someone AJ has beaten but so is AJ's if the drug cheat Povetkin did not get caught.

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If wilder does'nt fight AJ then who does he fight? he will be fighting guys AJ has already beaten.

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His mandatory is someone AJ has beaten but so is AJ's if the drug cheat Povetkin did not get caught.

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The wilder/povetkin was a real 50/50 fight, shame it didnt happen.

I believe wilder will lose the title soon, then he will be irrelevant.

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If wilder does'nt fight AJ then who does he fight? he will be fighting guys AJ has already beaten.

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His mandatory is someone AJ has beaten but so is AJ's if the drug cheat Povetkin did not get caught.

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The wilder/povetkin was a real 50/50 fight, shame it didnt happen.

I believe wilder will lose the title soon, then he will be irrelevant.

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I agree but Wilder was ready and on the plane to go and fight. He also took on a dangerous and motivated Cuban challenger. It is clear AJ and Eddie didn't want the fight this year. That is now obvious.

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If wilder does'nt fight AJ then who does he fight? he will be fighting guys AJ has already beaten.

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His mandatory is someone AJ has beaten but so is AJ's if the drug cheat Povetkin did not get caught.

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The wilder/povetkin was a real 50/50 fight, shame it didnt happen.

I believe wilder will lose the title soon, then he will be irrelevant.

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I agree but Wilder was ready and on the plane to go and fight. He also took on a dangerous and motivated Cuban challenger. It is clear AJ and Eddie didn't want the fight this year. That is now obvious.

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I think more likely eddie didnt want it, I think AJ does

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/20180...-hour-deadline

worth a read

also u could say Wilder was afraid of whyte

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Originally Posted by Drago

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/20180...-hour-deadline

worth a read

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That is to save AJ reputation and image. I am sure AJ instructs Eddie what are his requirements and is happy with the fight not happening this year.