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Demetrius Andrade assembling Hall of Fame-worthy career despite ho-hum opposition
The end for Demetrius Andrade will probably be a lot rosier than the present. Boxing history tells us that.
In the 1980s, there was a book written called, “The Four Kings,” about three welterweights (Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns) and a middleweight (Marvelous Marvin Hagler) and their history together.
But it could just as easily have been “The Five Kings” and included welterweight Wilfred Benitez.
Benitez lost his welterweight title by 15th round TKO to Leonard. He dropped a majority decision to Hearns. He won a unanimous decision over Duran. Benitez was one of the great welterweights of an outstanding era of welterweights, but he was always like the fifth wheel, never included with his peers.
After he retired, Benitez made it to the International Boxing Hall of Fame, small consolation given the money he may have lost during his career by being overlooked for being too skillful of a defensive fighter.
Andrade, an Olympic teammate of WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder in Beijing in 2008, is 28-0 with 17 KOs and holds the WBO middleweight title. IBF champion Gennady Golovkin wants no part of him. WBA champion Canelo Alvarez declined to fight him, calling him boring.
He’s left to fight Luke Keeler in Miami on DAZN on Jan. 30, three nights before the Super Bowl. A win over Keeler, no matter how impressive, isn’t going to get Andrade the kind of purse, or the type of notoriety, that he’d get with Alvarez, Golovkin or even WBC champion Jermall Charlo.
But he’s what’s known in the industry as a slick southpaw, which for years has roughly translated into “I don’t want anything to do with that guy.”
This is a guy who could be bound for the International Boxing Hall of Fame when his fighting days are done who struggles to get anyone of substance to even consider fighting him.
History will, I suspect, look far more kindly upon him than he’s perceived now.
Andrade, though, makes no apologies for the way he fights or the style he uses. In his last fight, he dropped Maciej Sulecki in the first round and had him in serious jeopardy. But Sulecki managed to go the distance, though he barely laid a glove on Andrade in the 36 minutes of the bout.
“People who say they’re disappointed in what I did in that fight, well, you’re telling me you don’t like boxing then, because what I did was I gave you 12 skillful rounds of boxing,” Andrade said. “Look at what this guy did to Gabe Rosado. Look at the trouble he gave Daniel Jacobs. I was able to put him down in the first and win every minute of every round of that fight.”
Andrade responds to Canelo Alvarez's criticism
He attributed his lack of notoriety to “not having that machine behind us” in the early days of his career. He pointed out that Golovkin and Alvarez received big pushes for years and it’s paid off into making them household names.
But he was particularly annoyed that Alvarez said he was too boring to fight.
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“For Canelo to call me boring, I mean, is he serious with that?” Andrade told Yahoo Sports. “I mean, I’m boring but Rocky Fielding is really exciting. Yeah, sure Canelo. Liam Smith was so exciting. Everybody couldn’t wait for that.”
It was a telephone conversation, but you could almost seem him rolling his eyes. And he wasn’t through, either.
He was going back to Alvarez’s early days to take digs at him for his opposition. In 2010, Alvarez fought Jose Miguel Cotto on a pay-per-view undercard. Jose Cotto is the older brother of former world champion Miguel Cotto.
“You’re telling me that Cotto’s brother was so exciting?” Andrade said. “And forget about exciting, he’s picking perfectly matched fights. Look at me: The guys I fight, they’re in their primes. Canelo is out there fighting guys on their way out. You think he would have fought [Sergey] Kovalev a couple of years ago when he was on top? No way. Now, he’s 36 or 37, whatever he is, and on his way out and now Canelo wants to fight him? OK then.”
Andrade hopes to put on a good performance against Keeler in January and then get a big fight, whether at middleweight or super middleweight, in his next outing.
Either way, he’s not going to apologize for winning going away most of the time.
“I don’t give two s---s about the opinion of somebody who has never stepped into the ring, who has never gone home with a black eye or a headache or pain in the ribs or just felt pain from just throwing punches or blocking and taking punches,” he said. “That doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is, what about the skillfulness and the angles and the jabs and the condition and the accuracy. What about that stuff, which is the stuff that really matters? Boxing is like any other sport, like football, basketball, whatever, where there’s a strategy you stick to in order to win.
“Think about the U.S. Army: They don’t just go in their and start bombing s--- unless they really have to. They don’t go bomb for bomb with people. No. They’ve got the air force and the ground force and they go in there and see what’s the best strategy. Until they feel there’s no choice and ‘We have to throw these bombs out now to get this job done,’ they are more tactical and methodical. That’s the U.S. [expletive] Army. That’s what they do!”
Like the Army, Andrade usually finds a way to win. He may not have the bombs and the heavy artillery the way the Army does, but what he has over time has been plenty to get the job done.
And at the end of the day, that’s really what matters.
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Two takeaways here. One..... the author of "The Four Kings", a book I never knew existed, sounds like the guys from that shit site Fenster mentioned recently here. None of them know shit about boxing. To omit Benitez from that group is showing the world how ignorant you are about that era in boxing history.
The other takeaway is that I'm now more a fan of Demetrius Andrade. Nice to hear someone dish it back to the Anointed One, who should stop throwing rocks from a glass house.
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And after the viewing numbers for Charlo's fight, there doesn't really seem to be a downside to taking this fight.
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And after the viewing numbers for Charlo's fight, there doesn't really seem to be a downside to taking this fight.
I really hope that the fight comes off. I will put the winner of that fight as the top middleweight most likely.
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And after the viewing numbers for Charlo's fight, there doesn't really seem to be a downside to taking this fight.
I really hope that the fight comes off. I will put the winner of that fight
as the top middleweight most likely.
Big call, Derevyanchenko has to be in the conversation for me.
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And after the viewing numbers for Charlo's fight, there doesn't really seem to be a downside to taking this fight.
I really hope that the fight comes off. I will put the winner of that fight
as the top middleweight most likely.
Big call, Derevyanchenko has to be in the conversation for me.
I think he would be in the conversation, but that’s why I said most likely.
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Apparently a big offer has been made to Jermall to face Andrade in 2020.
jermall saying he's his own boss, lions only promotions & all that, tells eddie to send him an offer, eddie does, jermall then says call al, come to wilder fight, he is all over the place, meow
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Has Erislandy Lara left it too late to make a noise at 160?
Andrade has a difficult assignment coming up against unbeaten Zhanibek Alimkhanuly. I doubt the fight lights any fires of excitement but it’s a defense where there is a very high possibility that Andrade could lose. I personally feel Alimkhanuly is a guy to watch in the division.
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Canelo is too roided up to go back to MW safely. He will stay at 168 and above for the remainder of his career.
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Has Erislandy Lara left it too late to make a noise at 160?
Andrade has a difficult assignment coming up against unbeaten Zhanibek Alimkhanuly. I doubt the fight lights any fires of excitement but it’s a defense where there is a very high possibility that Andrade could lose. I personally feel Alimkhanuly is a guy to watch in the division.
That's a legit fight there. Arguably Andrades toughest challenge in over 6+ years maybe. It's been ordered mandatory but now we hear Hearn chattering about Andrade just moving to 168 :-X.
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Is there any way in the world GGG can not be a martyr? He is supposed to fight Charlo to get a shot at going right back after the money fight. That is not a victim situation. That is for once a governing body doing exactly what’s right because
1)when champ they said they “would never fight Charlo” even though he was the mandatory. That’s BS
2)it is the fight boxing fans want and have wanted
3)boxing fans don’t care about Canelo, let him and the casual fans go do some Lemieux casual nonsense. Let the fighters fight. GGG/Charlo, fu$# yeah!
Charlo hasn't done anything at 160, I had no problem with him having to wait for his shot.
I'm a boxing fan, and wood prefer Jacobs or Saunders over Charlo.
It's just a way fur the WBC and GBP to all pocket a little more before having to roll the dice again.
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Is Charlo ducking or being kept waiting....
Don't think we need to see GGG Canelo III
I'd like to see a 3rd, the 2nd was a very good fight.
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Nice. That’s much better. Don’t need a third fight. I think Charlo beats GGG and hopefully gets a shot at Canelo. I’ve been waiting for Charlo to get his shot for a long time.
Charlo hasn't done anything at 160 yet.
Don't get me wrong, this is still a very good match up, but there is unfinished business with Canelo.
He wouldn’t be fighting Canelo before May anyway. It’s a big PPV fight, they would give it the big platform. Makes more sense after 2 years of learning nothing about the division to learn who is really the best in the meantime. A Jacobs fight can’t be done in between. A Saunders fight can’t be done in between. A Charlo fight can be done in between. A key aspect that people need to look at is who has a platform to make a fight NOW. Charlo has the platform. GGG can 1 off on Showtime and see where Canelo goes, follow him to that network
If GGG was planning on sitting out until May for Canelo, then he could easily look elsewhere instead. The IBF title should be filled, the WBO title sound be filled and there is also Murata with the WBA.
I like the Charlo fight, but GGG could easily walk straight into a title fight.
Returning to this, since the day of this post GGG has fought Steve Rolls, Derevyanchenko and Szeremeta. And he’s still trying to fight Murata, what’s it 4 years now he’s been trying to fight Murata? It leads me to 2 conclusions
1)Murata has always been GGGs hand picked opponent
2)GGG should have fought Charlo one of the many times the organizations have ordered he do so
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Have to say Andrade bailing out to 168 after being ordered to face a legit top mandatory Alimkhanuly sure waddles like a duck. Or face number 1 well promoted Munguia. Boo Boo will be ushered into a top slot at 168..the wbo loves the golden ticket free pass rankings route. He's all in on the Canelo sweepstakes. I'm not completely convinced Parker doesn't beat him though or dull his shine. And I'm cynically wondering if Hearn doesn't hope so too ;D.
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sounds like demetrius is going to vacate his wbo belt & not face zhanibek
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World domination for Connor Benn after he beats Eubank! :rolleyes:
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With triple G not likely to ever fight at middleweight again it is time for Charlo to take over and unify.
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With triple G not likely to ever fight at middleweight again it is time for Charlo to take over and unify.
i think zhanibek would be interested in that fight
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sounds like demetrius is going to vacate his wbo belt & not face zhanibek
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I would call that a duck. Zhanibek must be good?
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jermall going to get stripped soon?
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sounds like jaime has no interest in using his mandatory against zhanibek & has his eyes on ggg or jermall
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will jermall ever return to one sixty?
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ggg has apparently vacated his ibf belt
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I get the feeling Carlos Adames will fight anyone. Janibek and now Smith also. The division is basically wide open. Two of whom Munguia and or Andrade flat out ducked. I think I'm done with Charlo.
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so with ggg vacating the ibf belt, the wba has ordered him to fight erislandy lara next
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will jermall ever return to one sixty?
jermall now says he is going to return in june to defend his belt
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Had a weird train of thought about this one when announced. Lara seems to have a little more pop in him lately. But those feet have slowed their roll too and staying still. Oddly, years ago would have laughed this fight off but everything catches up. Might just see an intense mutual shoot out before all said and done. Maybe I'm just desperate for a big name fight ;D.
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Had a weird train of thought about this one when announced. Lara seems to have a little more pop in him lately. But those feet have slowed their roll too and staying still. Oddly, years ago would have laughed this fight off but everything catches up. Might just see an intense mutual shoot out before all said and done. Maybe I'm just desperate for a big name fight ;D.
i still don't think the ggg v erislandy fight happens next. i think they'll do danny swift garcia v erislandy & ggg v michael zerafa
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strange one but i'd like to see the fight, jr middleweight contender charles conwell has apparently been offered a shot at zhanibek alimkhanuly at middleweight
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strange one but i'd like to see the fight, jr middleweight contender charles conwell has apparently been offered a shot at zhanibek alimkhanuly at middleweight
i heard charles' team turned it down as they want to focus on one fifty four
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the wbo has ordered zhanibek alimkhanuly v liam smith. fight probably won't happen with chris eubank jr activating the rematch clause
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the wbo has ordered zhanibek alimkhanuly v liam smith. fight probably won't happen with chris eubank jr activating the rematch clause
That's a shame, think Liam gives Janibek a great acid test with activity and momentum. Janibek seriously needs a fresh name/scalp to finally get rolling.
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michael zerafa v esquiva falcao is set for a purse bid on march fourteenth for the vacant ibf belt
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elijah garcia might breath some new life into this division
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Had a weird train of thought about this one when announced. Lara seems to have a little more pop in him lately. But those feet have slowed their roll too and staying still. Oddly, years ago would have laughed this fight off but everything catches up. Might just see an intense mutual shoot out before all said and done. Maybe I'm just desperate for a big name fight ;D.
i still don't think the ggg v erislandy fight happens next. i think they'll do danny swift garcia v erislandy
ggg has vacanted his wba belt. danny swift v erislandy could become a reality. who should ggg fight? or should he just retire?
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Had a weird train of thought about this one when announced. Lara seems to have a little more pop in him lately. But those feet have slowed their roll too and staying still. Oddly, years ago would have laughed this fight off but everything catches up. Might just see an intense mutual shoot out before all said and done. Maybe I'm just desperate for a big name fight ;D.
i still don't think the ggg v erislandy fight happens next. i think they'll do danny swift garcia v erislandy
ggg has vacanted his wba belt. danny swift v erislandy could become a reality. who should ggg fight? or should he just retire?
GGG v Charlo would be the biggest fight at the weight.
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Had a weird train of thought about this one when announced. Lara seems to have a little more pop in him lately. But those feet have slowed their roll too and staying still. Oddly, years ago would have laughed this fight off but everything catches up. Might just see an intense mutual shoot out before all said and done. Maybe I'm just desperate for a big name fight ;D.
i still don't think the ggg v erislandy fight happens next. i think they'll do danny swift garcia v erislandy
ggg has vacanted his wba belt. danny swift v erislandy could become a reality. who should ggg fight? or should he just retire?
GGG v Charlo would be the biggest fight at the weight.
you think ggg makes more against jaime or jermall?
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Had a weird train of thought about this one when announced. Lara seems to have a little more pop in him lately. But those feet have slowed their roll too and staying still. Oddly, years ago would have laughed this fight off but everything catches up. Might just see an intense mutual shoot out before all said and done. Maybe I'm just desperate for a big name fight ;D.
i still don't think the ggg v erislandy fight happens next. i think they'll do danny swift garcia v erislandy
ggg has vacanted his wba belt. danny swift v erislandy could become a reality. who should ggg fight? or should he just retire?
GGG v Charlo would be the biggest fight at the weight.
you think ggg makes more against jaime or jermall?
Jermall, he is the middleweight and holds a title.
