Thanks for the video but still believe Sir Ranulph Fiennes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
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Thanks for the video but still believe Sir Ranulph Fiennes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Not a problem my friend, I'll just leave another quote I like here for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThanks for the video but still believe Sir Ranulph Fiennes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
ya but Carl Sagan believed the earth was roundQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaNot a problem my friend, I'll just leave another quote I like here for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThanks for the video but still believe Sir Ranulph Fiennes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
For the record, I am hereby retracting my previous comment on this thread which Fenster claimed was incredibly offensive and abusive toward Alpha.
"Ton ro MP, ereh dewolla eb t'ndluohs yllaer taht. Ereht og ot dah enoemos dab oot, niaga tub. Dnuor si htrae eht taht foorp elpmis dnif ll'uoy dna daerht rehto eht no tsop tsetal ym ta kool a ekat, ot erac llits uoy fi. Gniht htrae talf eht gnidrager degnihnu ylthgils er'uoy kniht llits I. Ahpla, yrros os. Wol os poots dluow ereh enoemos eveileb t'nac I dna, tsop hsiw htaed MP eht was tsuj I."
All's cool between me and Alpha. :)
I feel better about the entire thing nowQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Where did I say he didn't? I said I liked the quote :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusya but Carl Sagan believed the earth was roundQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaNot a problem my friend, I'll just leave another quote I like here for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThanks for the video but still believe Sir Ranulph Fiennes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
Why aren't we being taught about Euclid?
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Quantifiable.
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No dude I just pointed out you don't practice what you preach.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's the crux of every conversation we ever have. You stalk me, make accusations, refuse to accept my friendly resolutions then get upset when I expose you. Fact.
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Originally Posted by FensterNo dude I just pointed out you don't practice what you preach.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's the crux of every conversation we ever have. You stalk me, make accusations, refuse to accept my friendly resolutions then get upset when I expose you. Fact.
I don't "stalk" you bro. That's a bit overy-dramatic, don't you think? You make it sound like I'm constantly watching where you are so I can go "make accusations".
"Refuse to accept your FRIENDLY resolutions?" ;D Man.... I'm hiring you as my lawyer the next time I get in trouble and have to go to court. If that truth was twisted any further it would shatter. :D
"Expose you" is my favorite part. Followed of course by your vintage "Fact".
Telling you bro..... I am certainly entertained.
Interesting references to Flat Earth and the Firmament on declassified CIA document:
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...43720008-3.pdf …
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Carl Sagan bamboozled us about the probability of intelligent life evolving elsewhere. He said there are billions and billions of civilizations in out galaxy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Reality is different. There's certainly bound to be lots of planets with simple life (bacteria) and possibly many with multi-celled life (such as arthropods, fish, molluscs).
But intelligent life is rare, there's probably fewer than 10 planets, certainly fewer than 100 per galaxy that have advanced life.
It took about 3 billion years for multi-celled life to evolve from simple life on earth, and another 550 million years for intelligent life to evolve. When we look outside at night, do people realize that more than 99% of all the stars we see won't last nearly as long as the sun has because they are burning their hydrogen more rapidly, being larger and hotter?
Only a very few faint stars we can see such as Epsilon Eridani will live as long or longer as the sun, and for most of those there are other reasons why advanced life would not be possible, such as the massive debris disk with an enormous number of collision-creating asteroids around Tau Ceti.
@Alpha
Why does Finland have bright sunshine still at midnight for months during Winter months but places like the UK don't?
Explain please
Here's a video that might help explain it:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
http://youtu.be/UpbAnwQ1hTo
Red herring. Looking at the sky? The sky is a visible phenomenon, it can not be quantified. There is absolutely nothing above you, that will give you any sort of measurement of what is beneath your feet. It's not measurable scientific proof.
Now for myself I don't align myself with any flat earth models or maps, because I don't profess to know the true dimensions of earth or it's confines, if there is any. I appreciate what these guys are doing in trying to find out how things actually work, but it also sets up strawman arguments or red herrings, where people will attack the model and maps, instead of providing measurable, testable, repeatable demonstrations.
I'm about my own empowerment, I'm a realist, just a normal everyday guy, who understands what it takes for me to accept something as being objectively true. When I applied my attention to the globe model, I found it was pseudoscience. It was an image backed by sophisticated language, thats it, it's not an objective truth.
When I'm talking about science we're talking about the natural sciences, physics, biology, chemistry. The world of objects and substance, things that can be quantified.
So when you apply that type of criteria to looking into this question, you will find quite quickly that there is nothing supporting the globe.
The earth as a globe has never proved itself practically, the earths curvature has never been proven by way of science, the earths motion has never been proven, there is absolutely no measured scientific proof of this sphere.
Every single persons direct experience of reality tells them that its not moving in a spin type fashion and that its planar, it's level. We know these things because a couple of reasons, one being that the earth is covered in water, we know the characteristics of water, we know it will take the shape of its container and that the surface will always be an equilibrated horizontal plane. That's just a fact.
What we need to do is come together as a species, and fully explore the place and find out where we are. Is it confined? Does it extend beyond that? Who knows.
I certainly don't advocate anyone who professes that they know what it is. You'll get no claims from me stating that it's a pizza dish, with an ice wall and a dome or any of that stuff. All we can look at is the facts. The earth is demonstrably level.
Another other aspect is the geometry we assume, in the practical everyday life. Plane Euclidean geometry does not apply to curved surfaces. But that's what we use in everyday reality, from construction to navigation. Nothings affected by any curvature, because its not there.
Every person should to do their own research and find the knowledge for themselves.
IQ test time :-X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg3zswoORMY&list=WL&index=2
Ya know nasa has found some weird stuff. I read about a planet they found that resolves around the sun in the opposite direction we and other observed planets do. Who knows maybe there is a flat planet floating around somewhere
Just reading this for the first time.
Am I missing something? Around page 2 you all start talking like you've had a long prior conversation? Were there loads of posts removed?
Alphas called NASA etc Fake in Freedoms Mars thread and then the Flat Earth rubbish began there. I thought it could easily be a thread of its own but Alpha probably thinks starting an actual thread is for weak minded sheeple and part of Saddo conspiracy so I started this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Mars Thread here - http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ad.php?t=89495
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Originally Posted by Alpha
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Originally Posted by Alpha
:-\ ;D
Dudes I don’t get the big deal. People think all kinds of science and what we think is beyond reproach is wrong. Who cares it’s just ideas. Makes for interesting discussion. Shit we know little about our own damn ocean. Look at the Kennedy shit and the many who think out government or Israel was involved in 9/11. We got the Chem trails theories and weather control shit. I know the earth is round cause I walked around it twice but none of these things bother me .
Don't tell your missus about the diamond planet, she might try to steal a spaceship ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
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Originally Posted by walrus
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So about the kinds of science you're talking about :-X
So you'd have something measurable then yea? Not just claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
That's how it should be Walrus, I don't understand how some get so emotional about others asking questions. If it's so ridiculous and laughable, then why would there be so much censorship?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcQeDV96BgU&t=87s
Youtubes new guidelines:
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So Bigfoot, Nessy, Aliens, Chem trails, reptilians, clones and how many other thousands are fine. We have them on the run, they're scared, people are waking up to the truth.
I feel Alpha isn’t terribly bright.
Those that think it has been demonstrated to them that the earth is round, have got a very low bar, it's a bit naive, they have not shown anything quantifiable about the earth being round. It is all interpretations, making assertions and assumptions, and they probably don't even realize it.
Objective reality is not an idea, it's not a debate, or an idea of debate that's to be won or lost, depending on your rhetorical garbage.
It's what can be practically demonstrated by claims that have been made. Again the globe can not demonstrate in a practical fashion ANY of what it asserts. It has to make up metaphysics, pseudoscience, explanations, to prop up an image.
Most have no idea of Euclid's Elements and don't have a full grasp of the geometry that is assumed, and what we are actually using. I'll say it again, you don't navigate or construct on a sphere using those principals, it wouldn't work. It's not being accounted for.
They think they have it all sussed, and that's up to each individual, if you want to remain ignorant, that's your choice. I'm not going to judge you on that. You're free to be a ignoramus.
Any time anyone thinks they can quantify the earth being a globe, you come and let me know.
Otherwise, just state clearly that you have a religious faith and a bias, that you're quite content with, and you want to go with that. That would be intellectually honest. I could respect that.
What I can't respect is the pompous nonsense that gets offered.
People don't even have to understand the science they can see with their own eyes, the comparison with religion is nonsensical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
The pomposity is all yours Alpha. You pretend 'the man' is keeping you down and then set yourself apart from humanity. We are all in it together and yet even here in this little micro community you want to set yourself apart as someone special. You refuse to consider anything that threatens your very religious like obsession, as though to do so would be blasphemy.
It's not even your own reasoning you are just posting video after video created by others that allow you to not challenge yourself and bask in the safe cosy warm glow of confirmation bias.
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7GrXRWdq3A
He posts all the quotes without the slightest appreciation that they apply to him more than anyone else taking part in the thread, it’s quite a lark. If you could reason with people like this, they wouldn’t believe such junk. The only solution is to ignore.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Believes that.....
The Earth is flat.
The moon landings were an elaborate hoax.
All space flight is false and faked.
The Holocaust did not happen. It's the Holohoax, and it was the Jews who persecuted and wanted to exterminate the Nazi Germans.
Claims those of us who differ from the above positions.....
Do so from a position of ignorance.
Are just dishing out "pompous nonsense" and "regurgitated propaganda."
Did that pretty much sum it all up? Or did I miss anything important?
I don't know about you guys, but I can't wait to find out what else Didn't Happen, or is Contrary to Everything We Were Ever Taught in any science class.
Pins and needles over here. ;D :cool:
I already explained as much to Alpha, albeit in a much cruder, less colorful way. It didn't fly. Neither have, apparently, any of the astronauts we've been told have gone into orbit over the last half century.
I don’t believe it. I’m converted the earth is flat I notice no curve. Math is bullshit anyway it’s just mans way of measuring things in an unmeasurable multiverse. If the universe is eventually, and currently caving in on itself how could anything be round? It’s all a lie. By the way Elon musk is a genius. No one believed a reusable rocket could be made but he did it. I invested in Tesla. Yes it’s valuation is redicoulos, Elon never meets the goals he sets, the stock is volatile as hell but I’m in it for the long hall. It’s probably the most shorted stock in the world by people who know this shit a million times better than I do but it has treated me well and I believe Tesla has great opportunity in the future. Thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Tito you continue on smugly, thinking you are clever but fail to admit when you are unsure on a subject. I had to point out to you that we only see 1 face of the moon, after you claimed by seeing it, that you can tell that it's spherical. I also had to point out the sciences to you, after you claimed to be "A formal science type of guy" :-X You have some strong dunning-kruger sh-t going on. Maybe Gandalf was right about your IQ all along.
I took a look at that link Beanz, only thing you forgot is water. Are you claiming that the surface of the water is not flat (level)? If so then you will need to demonstrate practically how water can conform to the exterior of a shape.
And Tito asked why I keep going on about the natural physics of water :vd: well obviously it didn't sink in.
The earth is supposedly curving at 8 inches per mile squared. Look it up if you don't believe me, that's the official narrative.
So what that means is that from any point on a sphere, it will be curving in all directions at this rate (1 mile 8 inches, 2 miles 32 inches, 3 miles 72 inches etc).
I'm claiming it looks flat, because earth is demonstrably level. Master was the one who claimed to see curvature.
Don't listen to shills like Beanz or muppets like Tito, who don't even know how the heliocentric model works. Do your own research and prove things for yourself.
P4Pking's life is more than likely a mess, so definitely don't listen to that chump :-\
And again, still nothing quantifiable.
I know you guys won't watch, but anyone really interested in learning should take a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laksuvdGYCY
Ad hominem attacks. Pathetic.
Everyone sees a curvature but you explained it as the lense of the camera.
@Alpha
What are your thoughts on the late Professor Stephen Hawking.
Was he wrong about everything he wrote on Space & Physics?
Was he a NASA trained "insider" paid handsomely to keep us all hoodwinked? 😂
Alpha you can't even agree on what the 'Official Narrative' is. Your are misquoting something from the 1800's that does not even refer to the earths curvature.
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