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It's funny because I call everyone a James, including myself, use lots of generalisations, yet certain people here always think i'm speaking about/to them. It's a character trait I only ever noticed in women and nutters before this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
UK on lock down now. Something had to change.
Credit where it is due. Lets hope it is not too late. From tonight 23 March 2020
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJycNmK7KPk
Boris has tested positive
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791
The scary thing is his deputy is Raab. Fucking hell, God help us
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...IFcG-qcP1w8Prw
Now the Matt Hancock health secretary has it - https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/27/healt...XCayVZ5uGfh770
Damn I was going to start a thread on this just heard it this AM. Pretty serious shit I hope he is ok. Apparently he was “bragging” about shaking hands in a coronavirus unit in a hospital. That was mentioned in the US media I don’t know if it’s fact. So now your top guy has it, how will that effect shit. Plus prince Charles, damn the world is going to hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
They should be fine, they have mild symptoms of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDamn I was going to start a thread on this just heard it this AM. Pretty serious shit I hope he is ok. Apparently he was “bragging” about shaking hands in a coronavirus unit in a hospital. That was mentioned in the US media I don’t know if it’s fact. So now your top guy has it, how will that effect shit. Plus prince Charles, damn the world is going to hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Politics aside I hope so but don’t things start off as mild? I had that damn flu started with a cough and sneeze a few days later it hurt to move and I was sicker than I’ve been in years. So if they have “mild” symptoms does that mean the illness will stay mild?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey should be fine, they have mild symptoms of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDamn I was going to start a thread on this just heard it this AM. Pretty serious shit I hope he is ok. Apparently he was “bragging” about shaking hands in a coronavirus unit in a hospital. That was mentioned in the US media I don’t know if it’s fact. So now your top guy has it, how will that effect shit. Plus prince Charles, damn the world is going to hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
If it is near the end of the illness, which they think it is, then it should not get worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusPolitics aside I hope so but don’t things start off as mild? I had that damn flu started with a cough and sneeze a few days later it hurt to move and I was sicker than I’ve been in years. So if they have “mild” symptoms does that mean the illness will stay mild?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey should be fine, they have mild symptoms of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDamn I was going to start a thread on this just heard it this AM. Pretty serious shit I hope he is ok. Apparently he was “bragging” about shaking hands in a coronavirus unit in a hospital. That was mentioned in the US media I don’t know if it’s fact. So now your top guy has it, how will that effect shit. Plus prince Charles, damn the world is going to hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Well good. Hope that’s trueQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf it is near the end of the illness, which they think it is, then it should not get worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusPolitics aside I hope so but don’t things start off as mild? I had that damn flu started with a cough and sneeze a few days later it hurt to move and I was sicker than I’ve been in years. So if they have “mild” symptoms does that mean the illness will stay mild?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey should be fine, they have mild symptoms of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDamn I was going to start a thread on this just heard it this AM. Pretty serious shit I hope he is ok. Apparently he was “bragging” about shaking hands in a coronavirus unit in a hospital. That was mentioned in the US media I don’t know if it’s fact. So now your top guy has it, how will that effect shit. Plus prince Charles, damn the world is going to hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Like Trump unfortunately the guy has a track record of being a compulsive liar. Him catching the virus when he and the shambles of a government we have, ignored all scientific advice and evidence from around the world, should not be surprising. You would until tonight have thought his press conference stand in can hardly do a worse job...and then up steps Gove. a man famous for not believing in 'experts' . You may as well have a flat earther up there :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDamn I was going to start a thread on this just heard it this AM. Pretty serious shit I hope he is ok. Apparently he was “bragging” about shaking hands in a coronavirus unit in a hospital. That was mentioned in the US media I don’t know if it’s fact. So now your top guy has it, how will that effect shit. Plus prince Charles, damn the world is going to hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Here is Johnson being a dick just like your President, and those here pretending it is nothing special to worry about.
https://news.sky.com/video/coronavir...ybody-11948548
I was actually leaving the political shit aside. Just looking it as a leader being positive and leaving it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzLike Trump unfortunately the guy has a track record of being a compulsive liar. Him catching the virus when he and the shambles of a government we have, ignored all scientific advice and evidence from around the world, should not be surprising. You would until tonight have thought his press conference stand in can hardly do a worse job...and then up steps Gove. a man famous for not believing in 'experts' . You may as well have a flat earther up there :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDamn I was going to start a thread on this just heard it this AM. Pretty serious shit I hope he is ok. Apparently he was “bragging” about shaking hands in a coronavirus unit in a hospital. That was mentioned in the US media I don’t know if it’s fact. So now your top guy has it, how will that effect shit. Plus prince Charles, damn the world is going to hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Here is Johnson being a dick just like your President, and those here pretending it is nothing special to worry about.
https://news.sky.com/video/coronavir...ybody-11948548
It is as you say way beyond politics, but the fact remains both have blood on their hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI was actually leaving the political shit aside. Just looking it as a leader being positive and leaving it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzLike Trump unfortunately the guy has a track record of being a compulsive liar. Him catching the virus when he and the shambles of a government we have, ignored all scientific advice and evidence from around the world, should not be surprising. You would until tonight have thought his press conference stand in can hardly do a worse job...and then up steps Gove. a man famous for not believing in 'experts' . You may as well have a flat earther up there :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDamn I was going to start a thread on this just heard it this AM. Pretty serious shit I hope he is ok. Apparently he was “bragging” about shaking hands in a coronavirus unit in a hospital. That was mentioned in the US media I don’t know if it’s fact. So now your top guy has it, how will that effect shit. Plus prince Charles, damn the world is going to hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Here is Johnson being a dick just like your President, and those here pretending it is nothing special to worry about.
https://news.sky.com/video/coronavir...ybody-11948548
More fallacious reasoning with your continued appeal to authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Define flat earther. I deny the claims of the affirmative claim made by those that believe they live on a pressurized spinning nature defying sphere in a vacuum. I'm a realist.
Still waiting for any of the following:
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing a large body of standing water with the surface naturally displaying convex and conforming to the exterior of a shape.
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing a vacuum next to a non-vacuum, without a barrier.
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing air pressure being created without a container.
Your experiment proving gravity, telling me what your independent and dependant variables were.
These will do for a start.
You are a reality denier. You have no understanding of science (especially physics) and only have faith and pseudoscience to support your zealot like beliefs.
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Originally Posted by AlphaMore fallacious reasoning with your continued appeal to authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Define flat earther. I deny the claims of the affirmative claim made by those that believe they live on a pressurized spinning nature defying sphere in a vacuum. I'm a realist.
Still waiting for any of the following:
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing a large body of standing water with the surface naturally displaying convex and conforming to the exterior of a shape.
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing a vacuum next to a non-vacuum, without a barrier.
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing air pressure being created without a container.
Your experiment proving gravity, telling me what your independent and dependant variables were.
These will do for a start.
You are a reality denier. You have no understanding of science (especially physics) and only have faith and pseudoscience to support your zealot like beliefs.
You are mistaking argumentum ad verecundiam. I am not appealing to some kind of expert authority because of a misplaced sense of reverence, that ignores facts, or that seeks to employ the argument of someone who is not an expert in the field we are discussing. I am in fact questioning idiots like Gove, and yourself, who claim that there is no such thing as experts, and that every claim made by anyone must be personally verified through physical experiments undertaken firsthand.
This is what makes you not just an idiot but a dangerous one. Your own atrociously poor grasp of how to debate is wholly characterized by fallacious reasoning.
I really don't want to grace your nonsense with anything but the ridicule it deserves, but i will give you the benefit of the doubt, and hopefully you will see why you are so stuck down your own personal rabbit hole, and why stamping your feet is just making it harder for you to extract yourself.
1. You yourself are always employing 'argumentum ad verecundiam' an appeal to authority. It is not the case that an appeal to authority is necessarily fallacious, as you so ignorantly seem to insist. It is when the expert referred to is a non-authority, an anonymous or unqualified authority. These are always the authorities you invoke. Especially when the 'Expert' is yourself. An appeal to a legitimate expert is not fallacious at all, and yet you insist that it is. It is the only way you can maintain the self brainwashing nonsense that defines your ludicrous outlook.
2. Ad Hominem/ Guilt by association. This is the base point that distorts your view of the world and insists that anyone trying to reach out and help drag you out of the hole can not be trusted. Don't worry you are not alone in this it is a common reaction for all of us imperfect humans. Terms like 'Reality Denier, Pseudoscience, Zealot like beliefs, you have no understanding of science' are prime examples. They would be arguments if they were qualified with evidence, which is what i try to do when employing words with less pretty imprints.
3. Slippery slope/ Dominoe theory. You argue that because i have not personally been to space and because you can fake images, that one can never trust video or photos taken from space even when verified by thousands of people. You use this not just to prove a flat earth but to disprove the holocaust or anything you choose to make shit up about because you insist on taking things to the extreme. Logic, rationality and evidence are dismissed in order for you to claim complete bollocks. One could hardly be more fallacious.
Just more drivel from you. Practically demonstrate your beliefs with experiments.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaMore fallacious reasoning with your continued appeal to authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Define flat earther. I deny the claims of the affirmative claim made by those that believe they live on a pressurized spinning nature defying sphere in a vacuum. I'm a realist.
Still waiting for any of the following:
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing a large body of standing water with the surface naturally displaying convex and conforming to the exterior of a shape.
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing a vacuum next to a non-vacuum, without a barrier.
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing air pressure being created without a container.
Your experiment proving gravity, telling me what your independent and dependant variables were.
These will do for a start.
You are a reality denier. You have no understanding of science (especially physics) and only have faith and pseudoscience to support your zealot like beliefs.
You are mistaking argumentum ad verecundiam. I am not appealing to some kind of expert authority because of a misplaced sense of reverence, that ignores facts, or that seeks to employ the argument of someone who is not an expert in the field we are discussing. I am in fact questioning idiots like Gove, and yourself, who claim that there is no such thing as experts, and that every claim made by anyone must be personally verified through physical experiments undertaken firsthand.
This is what makes you not just an idiot but a dangerous one. Your own atrociously poor grasp of how to debate is wholly characterized by fallacious reasoning.
I really don't want to grace your nonsense with anything but the ridicule it deserves, but i will give you the benefit of the doubt, and hopefully you will see why you are so stuck down your own personal rabbit hole, and why stamping your feet is just making it harder for you to extract yourself.
1. You yourself are always employing 'argumentum ad verecundiam' an appeal to authority. It is not the case that an appeal to authority is necessarily fallacious, as you so ignorantly seem to insist. It is when the expert referred to is a non-authority, an anonymous or unqualified authority. These are always the authorities you invoke. Especially when the 'Expert' is yourself. An appeal to a legitimate expert is not fallacious at all, and yet you insist that it is. It is the only way you can maintain the self brainwashing nonsense that defines your ludicrous outlook.
2. Ad Hominem/ Guilt by association. This is the base point that distorts your view of the world and insists that anyone trying to reach out and help drag you out of the hole can not be trusted. Don't worry you are not alone in this it is a common reaction for all of us imperfect humans. Terms like 'Reality Denier, Pseudoscience, Zealot like beliefs, you have no understanding of science' are prime examples. They would be arguments if they were qualified with evidence, which is what i try to do when employing words with less pretty imprints.
3. Slippery slope/ Dominoe theory. You argue that because i have not personally been to space and because you can fake images, that one can never trust video or photos taken from space even when verified by thousands of people. You use this not just to prove a flat earth but to disprove the holocaust or anything you choose to make shit up about because you insist on taking things to the extreme. Logic, rationality and evidence are dismissed in order for you to claim complete bollocks. One could hardly be more fallacious.
What authority do I appeal to? I only deal in natural science. Where have I claimed there is no such thing as experts? An appeal to authority who only has beliefs and is unable to back up those beliefs with practical demonstrations and experiments is where there problem occurs. Then using those authorities/ experts support is where the fallacious reasoning comes in. I never refer to myself as an expert, I rely on natural science, observation and experiments to disprove the claims of the globe.
There is nothing to debate, earth is demonstrably level.
All I need to you to do is provide your practical demonstrations/ experiments. You obviously have no understanding of science. You are the only one between us using ad hominem, calling me an idiot is attacking my character, it isn't measurable proof of the affirmative claim using natural or applied science using tangible substance.
You haven't been to space, so you are unable to falsify anything to do with it. I don't accept images as proof of anything, do you? There are plenty of images of Superman and Santa, doesn't make them anymore real to me. Are you claiming thousands of people have been to space? What flat earth are you talking about? The earth is demonstrably level. Natural science proves the globe is a nature defying absurdity. Why do you keep bringing up the holohoax?
Still waiting for your practical demonstrations/ experiments to back up your beliefs:
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing a large body of standing water with the surface naturally displaying convex and conforming to the exterior of a shape.
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing a vacuum next to a non-vacuum, without a barrier.
A physical practical demonstration/ experiment showing air pressure being created without a container.
Your experiment proving gravity, telling me what your independent and dependant variables were.
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Why are the likes of Johnson and Big Ears able to be tested, yet ordinary people cannot get tested so easily?
You can see the contrast in the ability of nations to mobilise here. Frankly, the UK, France and the US do not seem to have any idea how many people might have this. Their testing is paltry to say the least.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ronavirus.html
Gandalf we have been saying this for quite some time. Maybe try reading other people posts. Particularly those of people who live here. Or else what is the point?
You have told us next to nothing about SK where we have all been very frank, open and honest about what is happening where we live. SK not just testing, but doing so intelligently and extensively and then tracing contact to build models is not only successful, it is how the world works. In business and art, culture, economics, science, medicine etc it is how we have increasingly understood the world for years.
Boris and Co ignoring all that under the dangerous idiot Cummings is responsible for the fact they are building temporary morgues now all over the UK, including a few miles from here.
It is much more than a scandal. It is what happens when people vote for the bastards who cheered when stopping a very small pay rise for NHS workers, and then pretend to support them a few weeks later.
My point being that more testing tends to correlate with better management. You are keeping the mildly infected quarantined thus reducing further spread. It means less chance of someone more seriously infected taking up a hospital bed.
Granted Spain and Italy are anomalies in that regard, but other nations with more testing have lower death rates. That is the pattern.
I don't know how it is there but emergency messages inform you of hotspots nearby. 'If you were in location B at 2.35pm outside city hall please get tested'. Everybody sees it. It is monitored. I don't know how other countries are in that regard. International students in the UK say it has been handled poorly.
Anyway, with Johnson by extension you should probably be tracking and tracing and testing say a thousand people and in turn of those who have it track and trace who they have been in contact with and on it goes. You test a lot of people. It is a complex process, but experts can do this pretty well. By doing that you try to out maneuver the virus and get a semblance of control.
If you are not testing extensively either then you are asking for problems. The US death rate is not too bad for now, but with acceleration it will spike.
We annotvof course trust the Chinese data or the WHO who on February 4th said that nations had no reason to interfere with travel or trade as.....well.....blah. Liars.
Alex Jones needs deplatforming? Those twats were on Twitter lying again and again. Nobody cares.
Thank you Gandalf.
That is exactly what we should have been doing.
Thank you. That felt like a non prickly response. I liked that. I don't talk about things because part of me thinks 'Is this all about me' and 'Am I going to be called an egomaniac?' I thus don't really say much about what I am up to beyond what odd book kick I am on and will go on a run with a theme. That is about a topic rather than me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Thus I keep quiet. Of course I wanted to talk about it as it has disrupted my life like many of you are now seeing. It got freaky here. To a degree it still is as education offices won't open schools. It has been a pain in the arse if I am being honest as I have had to adapt to a new way of working. Same for many and for you chaps too.
It is going to get a lot worse there judging by the numbers. Of course I hate saying that. I knew it couldn't be like here, but could never imagine it being like Italy. I was expecting damage, but controlled damage. Remember, my perspective is that things are being done to protect people. We were watching them in Parliament here on the BBC last week and my wife was saying 'Why is nobody wearing a mask'. I couldn't explain it away. Then she told me yesterday and I just shook my head.
Of course I freak when I see no masks or people not keeping distances and with no masks. I think it hasn't been taken seriously enough. See, I think it is not so bad...as long as you take it seriously. That's why I will say I do not fear it that much, but will of course mask up, keep clean etc. I am in a different environment. Do you see what I mean? I am kind of used to missiles aimed at me and virus threats. The war mode is there with military service still compulsory, mass mobilisation is doable.
Back on topic though, is extensive tracing even happening? Why is the testing so low? Out here there were drive throughs. You were tested in 30 minutes. Anybody suspected of it was tested immediately. If you just wanted self reassurance you could pay 40 quid for a test. I have not been tested, I have not even had a cold in maybe 16 months. But if I wanted to it was there. Masks are rationed, but you can have 2 a week. When back to work they must be provided for us. Things are done, safety is everything. You see where my perspective is? I think sometimes you cannot see through my lens and sometimes me through yours.
Stay home, tell people you know to stay home and ride out the wave. It's now a big wave. Good luck. Nothing lasts forever though as Ian McCullough once said. All things must pass as George Harrison once said too. And despite Morrissey suggesting panic while describing scenes of carnage and hung DJ's, people should just enjoy time with family, play some board games and not be too down. Most will be fine.
It will get better and I am sure Boris will be fine too.
so much for a persistent cough boris
Boris seems under the weather but quite fine. I bet most who have it are and most of course do not have it. It is easy to spook over feminized soft people. This man quite agrees.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9435981.html
his announcement that he had it went for two minutes, he said he had a persistent cough but never coughed onceQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
So Boris is now in hospital for tests. The guy who joked in the meetings about sourcing ventilators it should be called 'Operation last gasp'. You would not wish this virus on your worst enemy but this is a guy who sent out forms suggesting people with learning difficulties or requiring daily care should have 'do not resuscitate' signed on their behalf.
Eugenics.
Hopefully he pulls through and takes things a bit more seriously. Starting with sacking Cummings and listening to people with some kind of expertise in something other than PR.
Shambles.
This guy disagrees with your guyQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/op...e-once-2527788
Boris would appear to be a bit more than under the weather.
Yes it's obviously not true. Yet another move to control the masses, promote hysteria and all that jazz.
Damn Boris in the ICU now. Russian news is reporting he is ventilated but that’s just Russia. I read that stats are 20% of people with the virus who are admitted to the ER are ventilated within 24hrs.
It's shocking really.
I wasn't a particular Boris fan, and thought he was lacking in substance and in a set of core beliefs .... but he did step up to the plate in terms of becoming a government figure and trying to show some real leadership in this crisis. That's my view, anyway. I'm not going to get into a debate or anything.
One if the reasons I now avoid Facebook is seeing some of the genuinely despicable comments that people post on threads there.
Moving away from the fact he is the PM, he is somebody's son, partner, brother and father. Hope he makes a full recovery.
A reasonably healthy 54 year old, with possibly the best medical care in the world, and this happens.
It is beginning to feel quite Apocalyptic.
Boris was maybe not being completely honest about his condition or maybe he just didn't realize he was that sick. Sometimes we come to think of being ill as normal. Tired, flu like, panicky, disorientated, it can be the normal for many. He said himself that he had a fever and there was no sign of a cough, so perhaps masking things a little, wanting to be brave, knowing he has to be an example. You have to go on what somebody is saying as that is all you have. Was it propaganda or self denial? I do not know, but what we dk know is that most do not have terrible symptoms but a sizeable minority do. Boris is older, not in shape, and unfortunately, has suffered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
I wish him a full and healthy recovery and hope he will lead Britain for another 20 years.
That’s very true when I got hit with that flu last month I went four days just thinking I was run down and maybe getting a cold. By the time I got checked out I was running a 102 fever and I would not have guessed I was running hot. I hate going to the doctor but I’m going to be more careful in the future, I was still pushing myself to do everything I could have made people sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBoris was maybe not being completely honest about his condition or maybe he just didn't realize he was that sick. Sometimes we come to think of being ill as normal. Tired, flu like, panicky, disorientated, it can be the normal for many. He said himself that he had a fever and there was no sign of a cough, so perhaps masking things a little, wanting to be brave, knowing he has to be an example. You have to go on what somebody is saying as that is all you have. Was it propaganda or self denial? I do not know, but what we dk know is that most do not have terrible symptoms but a sizeable minority do. Boris is older, not in shape, and unfortunately, has suffered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
I wish him a full and healthy recovery and hope he will lead Britain for another 20 years.
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Originally Posted by X
I wish him a speedy and complete recovery but the idea that he stepped up to the plate and showed some real leadership is just not very reflective of reality. Cummings had his ear and the whole Government was more interested in good PR than taking hard measures and following the advice from experts. Still we are not testing enough and then just as importantly tracing and building data models to cut off this bastard virus at the feet.
I am reading just as many comments bloody chastising people as being somehow unpatriotic or not part of the team for not showing enough crocodile tears. Social Media is a distorting bubble for us all.
'Operation last gasp' 'Herd Immunity' 'Sacrifice of losing loved ones' 'Do not resuscitate notices for people with learning difficulties' these are all the PM's ideas and words and they are just as despicable comments as those made about him.
I definitely agree with you about social media.
I have my view about his leadership, and you have yours. That's fine, we are allowed to have different viewpoints ...... 👍🏼
I agree with you. He came in and destroyed Labour, has promised on Brexit, and even sick has put on a brave face. He has done great things already. He clearly loves his country and that is why people warm to him. Only those that do not have the hate on. I didn't like him before, but he has grown on me. I like his honest comments, the ugly truths.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Could things have been done better? Should things have been better prepared? Of course, but looking at the world the UK did it the same as most other countries.
You needed someome mad who would have said 'No tourists, I am blocking Brits returning home until checked....borders matter... I am forcing you to make masks, I am going to get the testing ready now and I am going to nip this in the bud because I pay attention to China and we won't need to shut down the entire economy meaning even more deaths'. Nobody did that, so it is hard to single out Boris.
550,000 die every year and pandemics happen. It is a sad reality, but people do get sick and die. We all will. Of course, 54 is no age to die, so you hope Boris recovers and gets his good innings of 80.
Some (((people who hate us))) - like one person who posted repeatedly in this thread - are happy that Boris is in intensive care and may die.
Those who wish COVID-19 and death on Boris and the rest of us deserve to get COVID-19 and die themselves. I hope their bad karma comes back at them.
Who said they are happy that Boris is in intensive care and may die?Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
Quote the scoundrel!!
I stand by this post, but few countries did any better. Even here they kept the Chinese planes flying in. It was irresponsible. It runs global and not helped at all by China covering up and denying human to human transmission while sending WMD global and then the WHO saying nonsense about masks and how borders should not be restricted.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI sounded rather harsh there, but for sure, he has made a big mistake here and due to the lack of beds the UK will have problems. Not only that but people who require important treatments will inevitably be delayed and potentially die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
No, the same as here the decision to not immediately own the situation means that the situation is worsened and that is not acceptable. Furthermore, the notion that schools will open this week is ridiculous. Sensible teachers and parents should obviously oppose putting others at risk if the government does not have the balls to make strong decisions.
Protect yourselves and stay safe. Do what is right rather than what you are told.
Governments rely on experts and all too many were guided poorly. The UK was poorer than some and it might have been a better strategy had they shut the borders completely, but the advice was against. The WHO needs to go and it would be great if people went back to seeing how staying local and protecting borders is good for you. They help slow any assault on your nation, they are there to protect you.
The loss of tourists for a few months is nothing compared with keeping a general economy afloat and not collapsing a healthcare system. Nations need more self sufficiency too and this also kind of proved the failure of the EU which takes us back to the start of the thread. Nations function better when they have more autonomy.
I am quite upset about Boris actually. He is not a mean person, just a Tory and values like doing things on your own terms are decent. He is hardly Thatcher or Blair. He never denied societies existence like Thatcher or tried to destroy society like Blair. He believes in Britain and is clearly ready to die for Britain if need be. We should never call him a coward ever again.
Long live Boris Johnson. The man of the people as chosen by the people.
Quite, who could it be?Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisWho said they are happy that Boris is in intensive care and may die?Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
Quote the scoundrel!!