Yeah I wouldn't imagine that's some big issue that millions of people want solved or anything.Quote:
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Yeah I wouldn't imagine that's some big issue that millions of people want solved or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
There are far bigger issues than that, which mainly emanate around 9 years of austerity which has resulted in massive inequality in society and people being poorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYeah I wouldn't imagine that's some big issue that millions of people want solved or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Sure there are, not like the voice of the people is being trampled on year after year after year or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThere are far bigger issues than that, which mainly emanate around 9 years of austerity which has resulted in massive inequality in society and people being poorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYeah I wouldn't imagine that's some big issue that millions of people want solved or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Inequality is a fact of life, EQUITY is a pipe dream. I look at a rich person and say to myself "I am going to work towards becoming that" apparently other people look at rich people and say "Fuck that dude he doesn't need that, I'm going to take that from him!" ....po-tay-to po-tah-to
I am talking about inequality causing more ordinary people using food banks, huge companies paying little tax, shortage of housing, schools closing on Friday's because of underfunding, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongSure there are, not like the voice of the people is being trampled on year after year after year or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThere are far bigger issues than that, which mainly emanate around 9 years of austerity which has resulted in massive inequality in society and people being poorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYeah I wouldn't imagine that's some big issue that millions of people want solved or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Inequality is a fact of life, EQUITY is a pipe dream. I look at a rich person and say to myself "I am going to work towards becoming that" apparently other people look at rich people and say "Fuck that dude he doesn't need that, I'm going to take that from him!" ....po-tay-to po-tah-to
Isn't reality NATURALLY unequal? Some people smarter than others, some more talented than others, some taller, skinnier, more handsome, more athletic, more dextrous, some run faster, lift heavier weights, get sick more often, etc.
I think that's just LIFE.
how the fuck can anyone "FIX" that???
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UK GENERAL ELECTION
CORBYN absolutely destroyed Johnson in the debate.
For the many not the few
For the British not the Billionaire Americans
For the British not the Armenian American Trolls
Amazing that the Conservative party renamed their twitter account "factcheckuk" during the leaders debate.
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5071&stc=1
The most astonishing thing about this is that YouGov's vote result was a forecast posted an hour BEFORE the actual debate.
Don't believe the hype
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Originally Posted by Master
How is there underfunding when you OBVIOUSLY have enough wealth and prosperity to welcome in immigrants by the millions??? I mean surely they do not place any burden on the lifelong residents of Great Britain!
Also if there's a problem with taxation and funding why not hold a general election and have the PEOPLE sort that out with their votes?
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Originally Posted by master
how is there underfunding when you obviously have enough wealth and prosperity to welcome in immigrants by the millions??? i mean surely they do not place any burden on the lifelong residents of great britain!
Also if there's a problem with taxation and funding why not hold a general election and have the people sort that out with their votes?
bang on.
I really do not know what you are on about now.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
How is there underfunding when you OBVIOUSLY have enough wealth and prosperity to welcome in immigrants by the millions??? I mean surely they do not place any burden on the lifelong residents of Great Britain!
Also if there's a problem with taxation and funding why not hold a general election and have the PEOPLE sort that out with their votes?
Well Western nations (I assume Great Britain would be included in this since Europe in general is) are told that there are "economic migrants" coming to those nations in order to partake in the prosperity inherent within those nations. So in order for that to be the case Great Britain can't be doing TOO poorly in an economic sense. Also those migrants would of course make full use of things like schools and hospitals which are all funded by the state but they wouldn't have paid into those institutions for the years that natural born citizens have so of course that MIGHT be the cause of some under funding and or the closing of certain schools and hospitals (speaking from an American perspective of course, and so maybe your situation is dramatically different).Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Surely some corporations avoid over paying taxes, there's nothing wrong with that, certainly there are tax loopholes and well those can LEGALLY be made use of regardless of how one feels about the ethics of that. I agree SOME companies don't pay taxes at all and there's little to no reason for it for example in America: Amazon, GE, GM, Eli Lilly, Chevron, Netflix, Gannett, Goodyear, Haliburton, etc paid $0 in federal taxes and as a citizen I find that displeasing, so we can agree on that at least.
As for elections, politicians need to be held accountable for allowing corporations to run roughshod over the citizens. Yes Obamacare and the taxes that wrought I felt were draconian in nature, but at the same time, we all put some money in the box. I'm not so sure of hoe companies are taxed in Great Britain, but in America we've got fairly high rates of taxation which are filled with loopholes, ergo my own personal stance of lowering the tax rate and erasing the loopholes (better to get something than nothing) and I vote with that in mind. Perhaps Britain is different in that manner, but judging from what you say I'd imagine you've got a bit of a loophole issue as well.
Thank you for the clarification because your first post felt cryptic to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell Western nations (I assume Great Britain would be included in this since Europe in general is) are told that there are "economic migrants" coming to those nations in order to partake in the prosperity inherent within those nations. So in order for that to be the case Great Britain can't be doing TOO poorly in an economic sense. Also those migrants would of course make full use of things like schools and hospitals which are all funded by the state but they wouldn't have paid into those institutions for the years that natural born citizens have so of course that MIGHT be the cause of some under funding and or the closing of certain schools and hospitals (speaking from an American perspective of course, and so maybe your situation is dramatically different).Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Surely some corporations avoid over paying taxes, there's nothing wrong with that, certainly there are tax loopholes and well those can LEGALLY be made use of regardless of how one feels about the ethics of that. I agree SOME companies don't pay taxes at all and there's little to no reason for it for example in America: Amazon, GE, GM, Eli Lilly, Chevron, Netflix, Gannett, Goodyear, Haliburton, etc paid $0 in federal taxes and as a citizen I find that displeasing, so we can agree on that at least.
As for elections, politicians need to be held accountable for allowing corporations to run roughshod over the citizens. Yes Obamacare and the taxes that wrought I felt were draconian in nature, but at the same time, we all put some money in the box. I'm not so sure of hoe companies are taxed in Great Britain, but in America we've got fairly high rates of taxation which are filled with loopholes, ergo my own personal stance of lowering the tax rate and erasing the loopholes (better to get something than nothing) and I vote with that in mind. Perhaps Britain is different in that manner, but judging from what you say I'd imagine you've got a bit of a loophole issue as well.
Migrants contribute through taxes and of course it has been less than people born in the country but they can not help that.
The government has reduced corporation tax and these loopholes do need to be closed. The amount of money lost is astronomical, yet the government cuts even more over the past 10 years. Now it is making all these big spending promises because of the general election.
Cryptic? Come on man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Would you say when it comes to taxation and spending that migrants are more often a net positive, neutral, or net negative? In 2012 the Telegraph said 370,000 migrants were on benefits. Now you attempt a Google search as I have and you see plenty of articles on the benefits of EUROPEAN migrants, but it's fairly difficult to find numbers for OTHER groups and their contributions if any to Great Britain.
Well the only way taxation loopholes get closed is by electing folks who won't include them in their policies. I'm glad we agree on that. Surely SOME spending could be cut right? I mean I don't look at the government and say "Damn, that is a tightly run ship and nary a penny is wasted!" in fact i'm likely to say quite the opposite.
Corbyn definitely says that he will increase corporation tax to the levels they were in 2010 and are in line with many countries in Europe. He also wants to tax these multinationals more than what they have been paying.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongCryptic? Come on man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Would you say when it comes to taxation and spending that migrants are more often a net positive, neutral, or net negative? In 2012 the Telegraph said 370,000 migrants were on benefits. Now you attempt a Google search as I have and you see plenty of articles on the benefits of EUROPEAN migrants, but it's fairly difficult to find numbers for OTHER groups and their contributions if any to Great Britain.
Well the only way taxation loopholes get closed is by electing folks who won't include them in their policies. I'm glad we agree on that. Surely SOME spending could be cut right? I mean I don't look at the government and say "Damn, that is a tightly run ship and nary a penny is wasted!" in fact i'm likely to say quite the opposite.
I agree public money needs to be spent properly and not wasted. The privatisation of the probation service has wasted £500 million and is being brought back into public ownership. That is true waste.
Both were rather weak as far as I was concerned with the questions predictable and answers incomplete. Typical modern politics without depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Post EU migration is a massive net loss and that is now the majority of immigration. They take more and use more and year after year it continues. Labour and Tory have no answers. The EU is an issue, but British identity will be the issue of coming decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongCryptic? Come on man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Would you say when it comes to taxation and spending that migrants are more often a net positive, neutral, or net negative? In 2012 the Telegraph said 370,000 migrants were on benefits. Now you attempt a Google search as I have and you see plenty of articles on the benefits of EUROPEAN migrants, but it's fairly difficult to find numbers for OTHER groups and their contributions if any to Great Britain.
Well the only way taxation loopholes get closed is by electing folks who won't include them in their policies. I'm glad we agree on that. Surely SOME spending could be cut right? I mean I don't look at the government and say "Damn, that is a tightly run ship and nary a penny is wasted!" in fact i'm likely to say quite the opposite.
British have no more identity.
There is an identity, but it is under serious threat due to the workings of open borders and Cultural Marxism. Nobody should come in unless they have an education and a visa for a job and once that job is done home you go, unless you truly want to integrate which means marrying into the society and making that society part of you. The problem has been in being way too soft on everything, but I think Labour will certainly learn a hard lesson in this election and then maybe it will be the Tories next if things carry on.Quote:
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Tories have been in 10 years, how much more carry on do you need?
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Says a lying American alt poster pretending to be French in a thread about the UK election.
Fuck off you toxic cunt.
I don't like the Tories but Brexit has to be done. Once that is settled the issue then becomes immigration and migrant caps. Labour simply has no way around these issues and has become the protest party of minorities that abandoned the traditional working classes, opened the borders, brought in hate speech laws, and further melded with the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
At least the Tories are saying Brexit which is a start, but obviously I would prefer a no deal Brexit. However, the system has sabotaged any possibility of that. The Tories are no alternative, but to deliver Brexit would be a start. If they fail, then boot them out. This election is the Brexit election.
The NHS etc is a side show until people start to be realistic about what is debilitating the NHS.
What is debilitating the NHS, Education, and Housing is the Tories. They are using Brexit as a cover for their incompetence and austerity which has hurt the most vulnerable in society.
Hospitals will treat anyone who comes in. Here there is medical tourism but you pay for it upfront. The UK has a system that is fully funded, but is dealing with millions of people more and from beyond the EU people are basically not paying their share and getting classrooms and healthcare.Quote:
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Now if you want to carry on like that and ignore that it is a big problem then good for you, but the system will collapse. And good on that Watson Deputy leader for reversing his diabetes. Some of that self responsibility will go a long way too.
Ask Fenster about hospitals in London. It sounds like a free for all. I believe that the system is for British people and people coming in should be denied coverage until they have paid in and until then should be privately insured.
If you cannot afford it then you are probably not a very worthwhile immigrant.
25 years of open borders is how many houses needed? 10 million? House prices have more than doubled in that time. It all adds up. When is enough enough for you chaps. Carry on, carry on.
Open borders is not the reason for the problems on NHS, Education, and Housing it is Tory austerity measures.
Their Brexit plan is a very bad deal rushed through because they are embarrassed they have not got it through for 3 ½ years.
Wake up.
Unskiller immigrants are a burdern
Oh but how the Lib Dems will be trounced in those Great Grimsby! yes they will take Bath and Cambridge but they'd will fall justly short in Esher and Walton. My uncle is that's good friends with Stephen Morgan in Portsmouth South and he did those telling me about that maybe 30% of LibDems will win those constituents
It is amazing that there is so much silence form Tory apologists and the foreign corrupt elite establishment Conservative supporters trolling this forum about very clear examples of government disinformation and actual fake news in this election.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...yMkwyILJIBIux8
The Conservatives have set up a website that purports to contain Labour’s manifesto, in a bid to trick voters looking for the document.
The governing party paid Google to promote the website labourmanifesto.co.uk towards the top of its results for people searching for the opposition plan.
It is the latest underhand tactic to have been employed by the Tories, who were earlier this week accused of running an authoritarian-style disinformation campaign to confuse voters about opposition plans.
The party was branded “dystopian” by senior EU politicians after it set up a fake fact-checking service that was actually broadcasting messages from the Tory press office to unsuspecting voters.
Other than having the domain name “labourmanifesto.co.uk”, the new website features a picture of Jeremy Corbyn at the top and the headline “Labour’s 2019 manifesto”.
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Once users are on the page, it notes in smaller writing further down that it is “a website by the Conservative party”.
Daily Mail, Express, Sun etc all demonize Corbyn the propaganda against him is intense. Hopefully people can see past that.
OK, DISPUTE THESE FACTS:Quote:
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Jeremy "The Jackal" Corbyn today insisted that mass-murderer Beheader-in-Chief ISIS chief Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi should have been arrested :vd::vd::vd: - despite the fact that the terrorist leader blew himself and two of his children up as US soldiers approached.
The anti-war Labour leader questioned the US operation last month that led to the cornered Islamist warlord, whose victims included innocent Britons, triggering a suicide vest.
'If we want to live in a world of peace and justice we should practice it as well', Mr Corbyn said in an interview with LBC on the election campaign trail.
A lot do not want to and they pedal the elites bullshit for them. Look at the cunts here who like those barons do not even live in the UK, or pay a penny of tax here, trying to dominate this thread. They are apologists for the very worse kind of behaviour and then pretend to be outsiders calling out the very same mainstream media the gullible spiteful bastards gorge on because they love to hate.Quote:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbqhTKgv0hg
Good point @Beanz isn’t it stupid when,let's say the Brits here, go on and on about Trump. Funny we see eye to eye on these things. Again I wish all you guys well and I think Boris is serving you guys very well. But to emphasize I see a couple Brits here rage against trump worse than Nancy Pelosi does here and I will always fall back on your post here which says so simply the truth. Well said bffbeaner. You have said this numerous times but I don’t see it stoppingQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzA lot do not want to and they pedal the elites bullshit for them. Look at the cunts here who like those barons do not even live in the UK, or pay a penny of tax here, trying to dominate this thread. They are apologists for the very worse kind of behaviour and then pretend to be outsiders calling out the very same mainstream media the gullible spiteful bastards gorge on because they love to hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbqhTKgv0hg
If the billionaire elites control the media then why are they so vehemently against President Trump whom many say that is "a globalist elite" himself :rolleyes:
Really gets that noggin a joggin :vd:
If Trump is deep state and globalist and elite, WHY THE FUCK IS THE WHOLE WORLD TRYING TO DESTROY HIM?
Indubitably mon amieQuote:
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Enjoy the forum you bunch of spoilt American babies.
It is a huge factor and the left is in denial. If you have a health problem and not a lot of money of course you would manipulate a country that offers free cake. There was a guy in Thailand who stayed there for cancer treatment and everyone was saying 'Go home'. He didn't and is fighting there. It cost a fortune, but was the moral decision. How many people who haven't paid in have abused the NHS? We have heard countless stories of how the hospitals won't refuse treatment regardless of the patient. Plus once you are settled it is there for the taking. You would not have these issues if you charged for those who have not been resident AND working full time for a minimim of 3 years. Health tourism without full payment should be abolished.Quote:
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/84...Meirion-Thomas