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It's all a ploy to try to get a bigger purseQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Until he fought Whyte, if my memory serves me well, he had defended a belt once. He has always avoided the top fighters. It's what he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterDisagree, Fury wants the top fighters, he just knocked out Whyte with ease, as they motivate him. He does not want Charr unless he is forced to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
If the fight doesn't happen it is an absolutely nailed on bottle job by Fury. If he gets in the ring with someone like Charr, that is just another nail in his, Frank's and Arum's credibility coffin.
Never ceases to amaze me how people will swallow Fury's bullshit hook line and sinker. All (of the grown ups) have said they're talking and making good progress. But Fury says the mythical deadline day has come and gone and the internet idiots lap it up.
“If the Fury fight doesn’t get made with him and Joshua, me and Joshua can fight in December if he wants,” Dillian Whyte told Sky Sports.
“He’s training for it, he’s ready for it, he’s willing to take Fury on, so if that fight doesn’t get made I’ll step up and take the fight with Joshua.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...01af8b647e6114
Joshua has lost three of his last five. Lost his last two on the bounce. Insert further damning arguments here.
You'd still think it was a joke if he chose to fight Charr.
Dillian Whyte says Tyson Fury needs to ‘chill out’ as Anthony Joshua negotiations continue
Speaking to Sky Sports, he said: “He (Fury) definitely needs to chill out.
“Some of the ways he does negotiating business, it’s all social media and shouting, screaming and calling people big dossers. I’m not an Anthony Joshua fan as well, I don’t really like both of them.
“Big fights sometimes it pays off to be a bit patient, and just shut his big mouth up a bit and stop talking s**t about the big GK (Gypsy King).
“Let the fight happen, you want the fight to happen or you don’t want the fight to happen. If you want the fight to happen be patient, there’s a lot of money, a lot of things at stake so it will take time.
“It’s a lot of things that can go wrong. He just needs to relax.”
On the chances of it actually happening or not, Whyte added”I think it could happen but Tyson Fury is putting a lot of pressure on, not intelligently, he’s just trying to use social media and it’s been a bit silly really.
“These big fights take time because there’s a lot that goes into it, there are a lot of commercial things and protecting your rights. It’s not just as simple as ‘ah sign the contract you big dosser’.
“Big fights take time and they have to get everything right otherwise it will fall over at the wayside if not done properly.
“Joshua fight was simple, we’d fought already before and it was a big fight and I’ve got a good team around me so we were quick with the paperwork.
“There was no ‘the deadline is this’, we took time to protect our own interests because the fight started as a normal fight that became a pay-per-view fight a week before the fight was due to happen.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...01af8b647e6114
Fury has earned the right to run his mouth however he likes. He is the king and he is unbeatable
Wow! With talk like that, where do you put him on the all time HW list?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Certainly not higher than Ali, Foreman, Louis, Lewis, Marciano, Dempsey, Holmes, Tyson, Bowe or Holyfield for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWow! With talk like that, where do you put him on the all time HW list?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
that's probably the coke doing the talkingQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Any of those mentioned above “unbeatable” ? (apart from the obvious Marciano)Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellCertainly not higher than Ali, Foreman, Louis, Lewis, Marciano, Dempsey, Holmes, Tyson, Bowe or Holyfield for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWow! With talk like that, where do you put him on the all time HW list?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
It's the internet. No one needs to earn the right to run their mouth. Doesn't make them right. If Tyson wants a quick contract turn around he should offer Joyce the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Fury more than most should understand the importance of due diligence. If he/his team did theirs we might have already had the Joshua fight. He also might not have had his titles stripped seven years ago.
Fury gave 3 very short deadlines. One was 24 hours long for AJ to accept the fight in the first place. That NEVER happens when you are organizing a big money fight and are SERIOUS.
AJ went on Insta and said he'd sign.
Then Fury pulls the plug just when they are finalizing the contract - says it all
Tyson Fury has fought two top-20 fighters in 6 years, has two title defenses and ONE drug ban. I swear to god - People are impressed easily. He’s a pathological liar with an overinflated idea of his boxing legacy. He'll talk a big game but is smart enough to make himself look like the avoided fighter.
And what REALLY BURNS Tyson is that despite the fact that AJ has lost 3 of his last five fights. Despite that Tyson is an undefeated world champ - AJ's next fight is many times bigger than Fury vs Charr. Joshua has the social bargaining power. After all isn't the challenger's who call out the champs ? Not the other way round ? AJ isn't desperate for the Fury fight. And ppl will understand this when AJ's next fight is made.
Say what you want about AJ but his last 5 fights have been at World Class to Elite level. Tyson's next fight is back at Domestic to High European Level. The level most of his career outside of Kiltschko & Wilder has been fought at.
You want real respect ? Fight Joyce next or Usyk or AJ. Yes he would start the fav in three but none of them are Manuel Charr.
With Fury, with life in general, you get what you pay for, warts and all. Sure he sucks in due diligence. No doubt about it. Is he "right"? Well, he didn't break any laws, so....Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisIt's the internet. No one needs to earn the right to run their mouth. Doesn't make them right. If Tyson wants a quick contract turn around he should offer Joyce the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Fury more than most should understand the importance of due diligence. If he/his team did theirs we might have already had the Joshua fight. He also might not have had his titles stripped seven years ago.
I think Fury willl do a Canelo and be too scared to go against black fighters lol
G ya startin with that shit again LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Denilson3.0
Except the complete opposite of that is true. You never get what you pay for with Fury ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellWith Fury, with life in general, you get what you pay for, warts and all. Sure he sucks in due diligence. No doubt about it. Is he "right"? Well, he didn't break any laws, so....Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisIt's the internet. No one needs to earn the right to run their mouth. Doesn't make them right. If Tyson wants a quick contract turn around he should offer Joyce the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Fury more than most should understand the importance of due diligence. If he/his team did theirs we might have already had the Joshua fight. He also might not have had his titles stripped seven years ago.
Promises to donate his purses to Charity - never happens. Claims not to be English and fights for Irish title - insists actually he is English and fights for Lonsdale belt. Says he will fight Haye - Never happens. Says he will rematch Klitschko - never happened. Says he will defend belts - never happens. Says he has never juiced - gets suspended for juicing. Says he is all about Jesus etc and anti drug - is suspected of being in with the Irish Mob and having been a massive coke head.
Same again with claiming he only wants to fight AJ when AJ agrees pretty much instantly and all along Fury was going to fight a bum like Charr. Another dodge in a career littered with them. Whilst Joshua rematched and fought his mandatories, Fury wasted years fighting Wilder three times.
And yeah it seems he did break plenty promises, commitments and laws along the way too.
Haye was the one that got injured and cancelled the fight.
Fury had to face Wilder because he was cheated in the first fight and was only given a draw. He beat Wilder and had to have the rematch.
Fury went to Germany and beat Wlad, when very little gave him a chance, to become champion.
The wins over Wlad, Wilder and Whyte trump everything AJ has done.
This is the default Fury apologist response. Random waffle followed by an unrelated statement. The only thing that's missing is a dosser, shithouse or bodybuilder insult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
No one is interested in comparing resumes. Everyone was suitably impressed with him beating Wlad in Germany. It doesn't negate the point being made.
He didn't rematch Wlad because he's an idiot and had no idea where he was contractually obligated. He got outsmarted by someone (Duva) who did. He was again contractually obligated to Wilder for the third fight. It was black and white. Rather than do things properly and get their ducks in a row, they ploughed ahead with the Joshua fight knowing that it wasn't a forgone conclusion. It was Fury and Fury alone that took to social media to announce that his good mate Daniel had sorted it. When in fact, I think everyone acknowledges that Eddie was the driving force behind the deal. Even now with Queensbury in the driving seat the internet dullards are hoping Eddie sorts it all out.
Now he's offered a deal to Joshua. Joshua calls his bluff and accepts immediately. Fury shits the bed and throws in this ridiculous 24hr deadline. Once again, despite being bitten twice that we are all well aware of, he's being contractually naïve and wants others to follow suit and simply get the crayons out and sign. He is once again the problem, not Joshua/Eddie.
Joshua tends to stay (publicly) quiet during negotiations. Warren and Eddie have both said that they're working well, having positive meetings and hopeful that the deal can still be made. The Fury fan boys can't or won't do the math at this point and will back their man to the hilt. I guess it's admirable. Fucking stupid but admirable.
There's zero ambiguity here. It was Fury and his team that fucked the Wlad return. It was Fury and his team that fucked the Joshua fight first time around. It's Fury that's fucking the Joshua fight now.
Fury The Fight-Fucker
]Haye was the one that got injured and cancelled the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
yep, I’ll give you that. Good job for Fury because at that time, Haye woulda battered him.
Fury had to face Wilder because he was cheated in the first fight and was only given a draw. He beat Wilder and had to have the rematch.
Like Beanz said, yeah he had the rematch and then wasted everyone’s time negotiating with Joshua when he was contracted to beating up Wilder again, who may I repeat IS SHIT!
Fury went to Germany and beat Wlad, when very little gave him a chance, to become champion.
yes he did. But thankfully I don’t ever think we will see somebody winning a World HW Ttile averaging 7 punches a round. Now Fury has to be given respect, but can you name another fight of Wlad’s in that 10 year period where he fought that badly? Something definitely not right about Wlad that night, and it is to his eternal credit that he has never tried to use any excuses.
The wins over Wlad, Wilder and Whyte trump everything AJ has done
Haha, absolute nonsense.
Wlad - once in a lifetime. Hence never rematching him.
Wilder - overrated garbage who bottled it when it came to fighting Joshua.
Whyte - what makes Fury’s win against Whyte any better than AJ’s ?
Haye would never beat Fury he was just too small as Wlad showed him. Fury is a very good super heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera]Haye was the one that got injured and cancelled the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
yep, I’ll give you that. Good job for Fury because at that time, Haye woulda battered him.
Fury had to face Wilder because he was cheated in the first fight and was only given a draw. He beat Wilder and had to have the rematch.
Like Beanz said, yeah he had the rematch and then wasted everyone’s time negotiating with Joshua when he was contracted to beating up Wilder again, who may I repeat IS SHIT!
Fury went to Germany and beat Wlad, when very little gave him a chance, to become champion.
yes he did. But thankfully I don’t ever think we will see somebody winning a World HW Ttile averaging 7 punches a round. Now Fury has to be given respect, but can you name another fight of Wlad’s in that 10 year period where he fought that badly? Something definitely not right about Wlad that night, and it is to his eternal credit that he has never tried to use any excuses.
The wins over Wlad, Wilder and Whyte trump everything AJ has done
Haha, absolute nonsense.
Wlad - once in a lifetime. Hence never rematching him.
Wilder - overrated garbage who bottled it when it came to fighting Joshua.
Whyte - what makes Fury’s win against Whyte any better than AJ’s ?
Wilder forced the rematch through arbitration which he won and Fury did not expect.
Fury beat Wlad in his adopted country having the second highest number of defences behind Joe Louis. Fury can only beat what is put in front of him and he did it far more decisively that AJ did.
Wilder is not a bad as people think. Technically he is awful but has the power to make up all those deficiencies and Wilder has had more title defences than a lot of better champions in the past.
Whyte troubled AJ and rocked him. Fury was flawless and did not lose a round against him.
We’ll never know, but At that time, Haye would’ve battered Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHaye would never beat Fury he was just too small as Wlad showed him. Fury is a very good super heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera]Haye was the one that got injured and cancelled the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
yep, I’ll give you that. Good job for Fury because at that time, Haye woulda battered him.
Fury had to face Wilder because he was cheated in the first fight and was only given a draw. He beat Wilder and had to have the rematch.
Like Beanz said, yeah he had the rematch and then wasted everyone’s time negotiating with Joshua when he was contracted to beating up Wilder again, who may I repeat IS SHIT!
Fury went to Germany and beat Wlad, when very little gave him a chance, to become champion.
yes he did. But thankfully I don’t ever think we will see somebody winning a World HW Ttile averaging 7 punches a round. Now Fury has to be given respect, but can you name another fight of Wlad’s in that 10 year period where he fought that badly? Something definitely not right about Wlad that night, and it is to his eternal credit that he has never tried to use any excuses.
The wins over Wlad, Wilder and Whyte trump everything AJ has done
Haha, absolute nonsense.
Wlad - once in a lifetime. Hence never rematching him.
Wilder - overrated garbage who bottled it when it came to fighting Joshua.
Whyte - what makes Fury’s win against Whyte any better than AJ’s ?
Wilder forced the rematch through arbitration which he won and Fury did not expect.
Fury beat Wlad in his adopted country having the second highest number of defences behind Joe Louis. Fury can only beat what is put in front of him and he did it far more decisively that AJ did.
Wilder
is not a bad as people think. Technically he is awful but has the power to make up all those deficiencies and Wilder has had more title defences than a lot of better champions in the past.
Whyte troubled AJ and rocked him. Fury was flawless and did not lose a round against him.
Wilder got the rematch because Team Fury are fucking commercially useless . And are you telling me team Fury had no inkling that this might happen before negotiations started with AJ ? Fucking pathetic.
Fury beat Wlad blah blah blah, 7 PUNCHES A FUCKING ROUND!
Wilder is definitely as bad as people think. And his title defences were against BUMS!
And I actually think that the Whyte back then was way more motivated than the Whyte of today, who is just after a money grab.
Let’s not forget , this Whyte nearly lost to Chisora ffs. Nobody does that.
Haye wasn't big enough to beat Fury. The first time Tyson leans on Little David, his little pinky toe would quiver.
Whilst AJ could not agree the fight with Wilder, Fury comes out of nowhere and signs to face Wilder. No issues or worries.
Usyk is the one who does not want to face Fury in December, this thread was originally Fury v Usyk before I changed it. Fury has no worry taking on Usyk.
AJ was offered the fight by Fury. Tyson is not worried about AJ.
Haye would never batter Fury, he was lucky he got cut and cancelled the contest.
Fury has no worry taking on usyk I'm December because he knows usyk is getting surgery and won't be in action this year.... The guys pretty good at boxing but hes always talked a load of bollocks.
Haye v fury would have been pretty interesting, I think Haye is a fair bit better than wilder and had the power and speed to match.. but fury has proven his toughness and he's just massive.. it would have been a good fight, I suspect Hayes body was too fragile by that time and that led him to ducking out twice...
Also don't forget fury ducked out of the Wladimir rematch because he took himself out of competition due to his pending drug ban.
Haye's little pinky toe, remember that, remember that. He would fold in 9 rounds against Tyson.
It wasn’t the toe that he cried off with against Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
The point is that Haye was injury prone and would have lost be it by cut, stoppage or toe injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIt wasn’t the toe that he cried off with against Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
up to that time, with the exception of Carl Thompson beating him. tell me one time when Haye had been beaten by cut, stoppage or toe injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe point is that Haye was injury prone and would have lost be it by cut, stoppage or toe injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIt wasn’t the toe that he cried off with against Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
The Money grabbing disgraceful con man that took the piss by taking fights with Bellew when clearly injured is a far cry from the Haye that was due to fight Fury , who at the time had only ever fought for an IRISH Title.
Up to that point Wlad beat him because Haye's toe was hurting . Wlad was too big and co-ordinated for him and Fury would have been the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carneraup to that time, with the exception of Carl Thompson beating him. tell me one time when Haye had been beaten by cut, stoppage or toe injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe point is that Haye was injury prone and would have lost be it by cut, stoppage or toe injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIt wasn’t the toe that he cried off with against Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
The Money grabbing disgraceful con man that took the piss by taking fights with Bellew when clearly injured is a far cry from the Haye that was due to fight Fury , who at the time had only ever fought for an IRISH Title.
With the benefit of hindsight, it’s easy to say that Fury would have beaten him …. but back then Haye was a very athletic banger, who always really liked hurting people. Fury was big, but quite unfit, inexperienced and a light puncher who didn’t use his size and weight very well yet.
So true! Fury is even bigger than Wladimir, and has a much more aggressive style by using his heavyweight and wearing down his opponents. David would disintegrate a lot sooner against Tyson because of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterUp to that point Wlad beat him because Haye's toe was hurting . Wlad was too big and co-ordinated for him and Fury would have been the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carneraup to that time, with the exception of Carl Thompson beating him. tell me one time when Haye had been beaten by cut, stoppage or toe injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe point is that Haye was injury prone and would have lost be it by cut, stoppage or toe injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIt wasn’t the toe that he cried off with against Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
The Money grabbing disgraceful con man that took the piss by taking fights with Bellew when clearly injured is a far cry from the Haye that was due to fight Fury , who at the time had only ever fought for an IRISH Title.
^^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by X
What this guy said. AT THE TIME, if Fury had won, it would’ve been the shock of the century!
He leans on them, just like Wlad. Watch Fury/Wlad then Joshua/Wlad and remind us again of Fury's "much more aggressive style".Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellSo true! Fury is even bigger than Wladimir, and has a much more aggressive style by using his heavyweight and wearing down his opponents. David would disintegrate a lot sooner against Tyson because of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterUp to that point Wlad beat him because Haye's toe was hurting . Wlad was too big and co-ordinated for him and Fury would have been the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carneraup to that time, with the exception of Carl Thompson beating him. tell me one time when Haye had been beaten by cut, stoppage or toe injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe point is that Haye was injury prone and would have lost be it by cut, stoppage or toe injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIt wasn’t the toe that he cried off with against Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
The Money grabbing disgraceful con man that took the piss by taking fights with Bellew when clearly injured is a far cry from the Haye that was due to fight Fury , who at the time had only ever fought for an IRISH Title.
Haye was damaged goods after Wlad and had no credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera^^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by X
What this guy said. AT THE TIME, if Fury had won, it would’ve been the shock of the century!
True Fury leans hard.
Tyson Fury lining up Andy Ruiz Jr bout on December 3 if Anthony Joshua contract not signed, reveals dad John
TYSON FURY is eyeing a December dust-up with Andy Ruiz if his Battle of Britain with Anthony Joshua fails to come to fruition.
Negotiations over the pair's long-awaited showdown are still ongoing - despite Fury claiming AJ had missed his Monday deadline.
Team Fury, however, have contingency plans in place for the WBC heavyweight champion's December 3 return - which includes a potential clash with Ruiz Jr.
Dad John revealed to The Daily Mail: "We're looking at other people.
"Look at Andy Ruiz, Luis Ortiz and Filip Hrgovic, or whoever wants to fight. It's a good business."
Former unified heavyweight champion Ruiz Jr revealed his desire to face Fury ahead of his decision victory over Luis Ortiz earlier this month.
He said: “I want to focus on four more years in boxing and give it all I’ve got, fight the top contenders.
“I hope and pray that Tyson Fury doesn’t retire because it would be an honour to fight him.
"It’s a bucket list fight. It would be a blessing to fight him."
Fury, 34, performed a U-turn on his Monday deadline to AJ on Thursday, saying: "My promoter Frank Warren convinced me to let Queensberry carry on negotiating with your team this week, despite me knowing that you were never going to do this fight.
So the deadline was Monday. "I allowed Frank to continue doing meetings with your team and your broadcasters and all that.
"Now we have BT, DAZN and ESPN all on the same page. They are happy with everything, they are all ready to rock and roll.
"You guys ask for a lot of stuff, you want to be co-promoters when you're a voluntary challenger.
"Guess what, I said give it them, let them be co-promoters.
"You wanted full transparency, even though you're not an equal shareholder in this party. You know what I said?
"Give them full transparency, I've got nothing to hide, I'm not trying to rob anybody, I've not robbed anybody of a penny in my life.
"So now you've got full transparency, everything is clean and fair.
"Now, Joshua, the ball is really in your court son."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19972...ight-december/
You're at it again with this bullshit narrative. It was Wilder that couldn't or rather wouldn't agree to the Aj fight. We all know this. Anyone that buys into this idea that Fury came from nowhere and received and signed a contract from Wilder in 24hrs is an idiot. No doubt the same people that believe Fury Wilder 3 was done and dusted five minutes after AJ Fury was dead in the water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Why are you obsessed with 24 hours? Never said it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisYou're at it again with this bullshit narrative. It was Wilder that couldn't or rather wouldn't agree to the Aj fight. We all know this. Anyone that buys into this idea that Fury came from nowhere and received and signed a contract from Wilder in 24hrs is an idiot. No doubt the same people that believe Fury Wilder 3 was done and dusted five minutes after AJ Fury was dead in the water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
All we can say with certainty is that Wilder fought Fury and not AJ. That would haver been for the undisputed title and I bet AJ regrets not making the fight happen.