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Pretty much why I couldn't care less about the heavyweight division. They do more talking "per capita" than all other divisions in boxing COMBINED. If I had a dollar for every "What should "X" do next?" thread... or every "What "X" said about "Y" post in social media... I'd be a multi-millionaire. There should be a graph on "talking per actual fight" somewhere that some statistical whiz could come up with. It would be hugely interesting.
When Matchroom promoter Hearn was asked about the situation, he immediately pointed to the fact that his client, Anthony Joshua, fought Usyk twice with no issues in the negotiations.
Hearn told IFL TV: “”Anthony Joshua fought Oleksandr Usyk back-to-back, no f****** problems, no questions, no long negotiation.
“When are you guys out there going to start understanding…”
Giving his best Fury impression, Hearn continued: “‘It’s not about the money, I’ll fight him for free, as long as the tickets are free for the general public.’
“F*** off. You want money, you want too much money, you’re not the draw you think you are, that fight’s not as big as you think it is.”
Hearn went on to say: “Greed, if you are about legacy, if you want to be undisputed, then you take the fight.
“Oh so you’re going to get £50million or 60m, instead of the £80m or £100m or £125 that you asked for. F*** me, you’ve all been played for all these years.”
When asked whether he thought the Fury vs Usyk fight would actually happen, Hearn replied: “Maybe, but if you really want the fight, you have to make concessions…
“Tyson Fury is worth more than 50/50 in this fight, but if you want to be the first undisputed heavyweight world champion since Lennox Lewis then you take 50/50 and get the fight done.
“And, if he’s a little middleweight, if he’s no good, then easy money. But, he knows how good Oleksandr Usyk is…
“When are you going to f****** wake up… some people care about legacy and some people don’t care about legacy.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...dr-usyk-fight/
We're been told this is all fury why this isn't happening. I'm a big fan, a bit less since he fought chisora, and been in denial but I'm beginning to believe it and turn against him.....
tyson won't go near the juggernaut. there is talk of oleksandr v daniel dubois, if that has to happen first then he should face joe joyce & then filip hrgovic, cleanout the division while tyson plays with deontay & derekQuote:
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Usyk and his team's track record is impeccable and there has never been any problems from their side getting fights made with any of his other opponents. They have a reputation as being the most transparent, most honest, and easiest to deal with people in the whole of boxing (Joshua, Bellew, Hearn, Chisora, Arum, everyone confirmed it time and again to be the case)
Fury doesn't fancy his chances against Usyk and he'll duck him. He's not scared of Usyk. It's more risk / reward. Despite all the talk the Fury's do of being the best and the gyspy king and Usyk being a middleweight. They know DAM WELL that Usyk is a MASSIVE challenge. That's why Fury's eyes light up when it comes to fighting The Dosser for a 4th time or a fight against a MMA fighter who has a 0-0-0 boxing record. They're lower risk fights with pretty much the same reward as fighting Usyk. That's why he'll duck Usyk
He pretty much said it himself. Same as he ducked the Vlad rematch. Same as he ducked Joshua (when AJ was undefeated)
60/40 to the winner is very fair, especially given the huge physical advantages, age advantage, and the equally huge advantage Belly will have in his favour of fighting at home.
And Fury will be given free licence to octopus grab and foul the much smaller man
Tyson Fury sends Oleksandr Usyk ‘take-it-or-leave it’ ultimatum on Instagram as undisputed fight hangs in balance
“I see all this talk of boxing fights and ‘Usyk wants 50 per cent’ and ‘Tyson is being greedy’.
“But - where I am standing - Usyk and his team are only worth 30 per cent.
“You either take it or you leave it.”
“If you don’t want it, go and fight Daniel Dubois at the Copper Box and gert a few million dollars,” he added.
“You want to make some real money, come and fight the Gypsy King.
“I will say, for every day from today that you linger, mess around, I will deduct one per cent from the 30 per cent.
“So every day I will deduct one per cent, until you take it. And if you don’t take it then fight Dubois for two million dollars, not a problem.
“But how in the world could you ever offer me a deal? Not possible. Tick tock, tick tock, p*****s.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21666...isputed-fight/
oleksandr has accepted the seventy thirty split if tyson agrees to donate one million to ukraine
Fury, your fucking move! Ahahahaha! He will be shitting his pants deep down. How can you not like Usyk? What a fucking guy.
I still reckon Fury might not go ahead with this .
Fury thought a ridiculous offer of 70/30 would deter Usyk but Usyk has called Fury’s bluff and said "Cool. Let's do it". It's that old sayin of "Sometimes you have to kiss ass, to kick ass"
Fury's gonna need new undies
Will Fury switch it to 80-20 ?
This shows Usyk is all about the legacy. Usyk and Fury are both millionaires. There's nothing Fury can buy than Usyk couldn't. Usyk backs himself to beat Fury. You can't not like Usyk, such a class champion. He'd accepted the 70/30 split and the silence is deafening from Fury. If we don't hear back from Fury it will be the biggest most unrecoverable L he's ever taken. For the first time ever, he won’t be able to beat this guy with words. As I said earlier Usyk and his team are among the easiest to deal with in boxing.
Usyk is a young 35. He's not an ageing Klitschko or an amateur club slugger Wilder. Usyk also holds more belts and has beaten more credible opponents. This fight is 50/50 split all day long and Fury knows it. He will sit on his dosser gypsy ass until hes forced to fight, at which point the corrupt WBC will protect him. Maybe they will mandate Stiverne, or a quadrology with Chisora LMAO
"Eh, Greedy Belly..:lolhaha:. Let's watch Fury sac up and get his silly ass in gear. It should have neeeever been this drawn out. Man said Wembley also.
if this fight is announced then it was probably signed awhile ago & all this split stuff is just to build interest & promote the fight
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Just announce the fight and get it made. Fury is being made a complete ass during these exchanges. I think he will end up losing his mind and going off the rails. Never to return to boxing again.
TYSON FURY has launched an X-rated rant at Oleksandr Usyk as the pair appear to be closing in on a date for their heavyweight clash.
The 34-year-old said on Instagram: "Usyk, you little s***bag. Sign the contract, get your money and get f***ed up.
"You little s***house. You're a little gappy-toothed, ugly b******. Sign the contract."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21675...ght-instagram/
Adam Catterall reacted to this news on Twitter, saying: “Oleksandr Usyk has accepted the ridiculous financial split of 70/30 against him to fight in the back yard of an undefeated champion, who is just as technical as he is, whilst giving away EVERY possible physical advantage. Proper. Fighting. Man.”
Catterall went on to tell talkSPORT: “As far as I’m concerned, Oleksandr Usyk has accepted the terms and conditions that Tyson Fury has sent his way.
“So, I am fully anticipating over the next 24 hours to find out more information that this fight is signed, sealed and delivered.
“And on April 29 we will be rocking and rolling and getting it on at Wembley Stadium.
“Where else can you go, there’s no excuse. If this doesn’t happen now it’s all on Tyson Fury.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...y-fight-terms/
if a tyson v oleksandr fight happens next it'll probably be in june
Warren said on talkSPORT: “Everyone wants to see the fight.
"Everybody should take their hat off to Tyson Fury because he’s the only heavyweight since going back to those great glory days of Ali, Foreman and Frazier that has fought the best around of the generations he’s been in.
“He’s fought against Klitschko, who was the best of his generation, went to his back yard and beat him.
“The longest reigning heavyweight in Deontay Wilder – went to the states not once but three times and beat him.
“Now he’s stepping up to the guy who has had two wins over Joshua and has three belts.
“You have to take your hat off to Tyson, we talk about Lennox Lewis, but he never fought Riddick Bowe, never fought Mike Tyson until he was well past his best.
“I’m not taking anything away from Lennox he was a great fighter. Tyson has fought all these guys at their best.”
And despite leaving it late in the day to both promote and prepare for the bout, the Hall of Famer said April 29 is still the planned judgement day.
He said: “That would be the date for the fight. At one stage I wasn’t sure if Tyson would be fit for it, but he’s okay.
“The bottom line is they have both come out and said what they want to do and obviously we have to get the contracts signed.
"Everybody is working on that to get everything finalised.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21684...fighting-usyk/
Oleksandr Usyk has dismissed sparring partner Martin Bakole's claim he dropped him ahead of his fight with Tyson Fury.
The Ukrainian is expected to next take on WBC king Fury on April 29 at Wembley Stadium after the pair verbally agreed a deal following a lengthy stand-off during negotiations. Usyk will look to become the undisputed champion by adding the final belt to his collection after beating Anthony Joshua twice, and he has already began training camp despite no official fight confirmation.
Usyk previously drafted in heavyweight contender Bakole to prepare for his rematch with Joshua which he won by split decision, boxing his way to another step to supremacy. However the Congolese star has since insisted he became the first man to stop the unified champion in sparring.
However the 36-year-old's manager Alex Krassyuk has suggested that events actually were the other way around with Usyk prevented from inflicting further damage on Bakole. "Bakole is a great kid," Krassyuk told Sky Sports. "He was Usyk's best sparring partner within last three training camps. But I heard him stopping Usyk just once, and he stopped him from knocking Bakole out."
Usyk has yet to be stopped in his professional career during which he has had huge success by first becoming undisputed champion at cruiserweight. He then elected to move up to the heavyweight division, where he defeated Derek Chisora before dethroning Joshua and beating him in a subsequent rematch.
Talks have been held extensively over arguably the biggest test of his career against fellow undefeated champion Fury, but an official date is yet to be announced, However the pair finally made a breakthrough this week after Usyk agreed to a 70/30 split in his rival's favour which sees a fight now back on track.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...7779251c&ei=18
Tyson Fury challenged Oleksandr Usyk to forego any rematch clause ahead of their proposed blockbuster bout in April - before Usyk insisted the clause was coming from Fury's side and that he does not want to play the Briton's "stupid games".
The World Boxing Association confirmed on Friday evening that an "agreement" had been reached for a fight between the undefeated pair, who hold the heavyweight division's four titles between them.
WBC champion Fury addressed WBA, WBO and IBF champion Usyk in a video posted on Twitter, saying: "I've been speaking to the lawyers and Usyk's people have been talking about rematch clauses.
Oleksandr Usyk on Tyson Fury: Both of us need this fightOleksandr Usyk's camp deny Martin Bakole stopped him in sparring.
"Here's one to up the ante - how about there is no rematch clause for both of us? Let's up the ante completely.
"Never worry about what's in the future or how many more dollars you can get after you've been defeated. Worry about the fight.
"No rematch clause. Winner takes the glory, the loser goes home. How about that? Agree to that."
Usyk responded by releasing a video of his own, in which he said: "Greedy Belly [Fury]. Very much, the clause comes from your side, not mine. Stop whining and ducking.
"Be a man. Ink the contract or vacate the belt. I need undisputed - and not to play your stupid games."
Speaking last week, Usyk said a fight with Fury was "very important for both of us" and that it must be made.
"All four belts haven't been held by one person, so both of us need this fight," Usyk said, pointing out it has been two decades since the heavyweight division had an undisputed champion.
"I'm not afraid of Tyson Fury. His will be like any other fight. It's just a big man who has never lost before against a man who has the WBC belt.
"Of course it's possible to get carried away but actually this is a normal fight for the right to win all the belts.
"If a person is bigger than me, it doesn't mean they're stronger than me. If they have longer arms, it doesn't mean that it will be an advantage.
"I've been boxing since I was 15-years-old. They kept telling me that I shouldn't be boxing. They told me that I wouldn't become an Olympic champion or a world champion and that I shouldn't have switched to the heavyweight division.
"But these were opinions from people who couldn't do it themselves. Personally, I keep praying and move forward. I don't worry about whether I will reach my destination.
"It's like a samurai. He doesn't have an aim, he has his path. I have my path too."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...615dadec&ei=24
Fury now trying anything to avoid being exposed. Embarassing stuff. To talk about about Usyk who is a model professional and frankly has a lot more to worry about now with his homeland under seige then Fury, in such a derogatory way is very telling. This is not just 'selling the fight' it's bottling it big time. Can't wait till he either gets humiliated in the ring, or f*cks off for good. He has been a bullshitter since day one.
I must admit Fury is not coming out well in these negotiations but he seldom does anyway. He should stop talking to the press.
I still believe Fury does wins the bout but Usyk seems very confident he will win. He must be in great condition and thinks Tyson will not get in shape by the time the fight happens.
At least the great match-up will be happening. It would be a crime if it had not been made.
Each action makes me turn more against him. Damn him for doing this!
I really can't see him being scared of fighting usyk not with what he's been through. Usyk can only win by scoring and running. He can't hurt him.
Maybe he knows he can't get in shape any more.... Who knows
I think Usyk can hurt him. People have put so much behind the getting up from being clocked by Wilder that he has made him seem like something he is not. He may not be the fighter that Cunningham put on his arse but you can still hurt him. His ankles have gone,his elbow is shot, Wallin proved that you can still cut him. He gets away with a lot. Watch him hold the ropes and punch, rabbit punch, smother, all kinds of bollocks that a decent reff should be giving him stick for.
Usyk's best hope is certainly a points win but he won't be running away for 12 rounds. He is smart enough to get in an out and nullify a lot of Fury's best work.
as far as I'm concerned , the only thing Fury has over Usyk is size. And that is only an advantage if you use it properly and more importantly, if your opponent allows you to use it .
As Mike Tyson showed , it can also be used against you .
Fury has skills............for a big man! but he is nowhere near as skilful as Usyk.
and Fury is Bigger than Joshua, but not by loads , yet Usyk coped fairly easily with that size difference.
Usyk isn't as small as Fury would have you believe.
If this fight ever happens, I see Usyk winning plenty of rounds early and getting a wide points win or maybe even stopping Fury late on.
Though Krassyuk was sceptical about Fury's preparation, he revealed Usyk is training specifically for that opponent on the April 29 date, even revealing the Ukrainian is reading Fury's biography as research.
"He's like in the mental state of a warrior who is planning to defeat his opponent on April 29. This is his mindset," the promoter said.
"He's enjoying his training camp. He's working hard, three times per day training, reading Tyson's book, maybe the second one already."
"Size never matters much," he added. "We expect him to become a historic person.
"Usyk is one of the biggest inspirations for Ukrainians."
Usyk's team though will not be imposing be imposing any further deadlines on Fury themselves, with Krassyuk saying: "The deadline has passed already three weeks ago so there are no deadlines anymore."
Fury himself responded promptly to Krassyuk's claims.
"You sausage," Fury said on social media. "You'll get what you're getting don't worry. You're the worst manager in history, you got your fighter to accept 30 per cent.
"You got outwitted by a man who never went to school in his life. Sausage. Keep talking, your boy's going to get smashed and he's going to be beltless like the other bum AJ."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...63945429&ei=24
Bellew - who was knocked out by Usyk in 2018 - claimed the Gypsy King's aggression will lead him to his first loss.
He told talkSPORT: “Tyson Fury’s style has changed over these last few years, ever since he went under the tutelage of SugarHill of the Kronk.
"His style has completely changed, he’s no longer this big awkward fighter, who uses his elusiveness as an advantage.
"He is now someone who is an aggressive counter puncher, he looks to hurt fighters and get rid of them.
"That change of style will play into Oleksandr Usyk’s hands, it really will, and I’m tipping Oleksandr Usyk to win.”
He said: “Oleksandr Usyk has sold himself well short.
“He’s bowed to every demand and I think it’s crazy that he’s done that, but it is what it is.
"He’s done it for the good of boxing and he’s done it for the bettering of his country and that’s the kind of man he is, I’ve faced him, I know all about him.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21713...t-tony-bellew/
Bellew and usyk is a lovely romance, although I'm not sure if usyk loves tony as much as tony loves usyk.
Unless fury is suddenly way past it then I don't see how usyk can win by stoppage at all. He couldn't stop joshua or del boy.
Usyk is more skilled for sure but you have two of the best boxing brains in the business here.
What fury won't win this time is the mind games however
Right there, spot on. Been getting that initial feel last few days and lead up. Tyson came off like a red-faced Mommy Dearest ranting over wire hangers and sounded like a man forced to go somewhere he didn't really want to go.Quote:
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Still wouldn't put a sudden injury out of the question it's early ;D
Can you remember when Bellew wanted to fight Fury? He is with Eddie and works for Dazn so has his tongue firmly up AJ butt.Quote:
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Bellew would have stopped Fury within 2 roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterCan you remember when Bellew wanted to fight Fury? He is with Eddie and works for Dazn so has his tongue firmly up AJ butt.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
Rahman feels that Usyk will cause his rival a "host of problems" and beat 'The Gypsy King'.
"Usyk possesses a whole host of problems that Tyson don't want. He's the boxer. Tyson likes to be the boxer, the elusive guy. He likes to tire these heavyweights out," Rahman told K.O. Artist Sport.
"He's not gonna do that with Usyk. It's gonna be reverse, the opposite. He don't want those kind problems. He wants his legacy intact and I think Usyk will disrupt that. "Usyk will out Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury."
Rahman has refused to state whether he thinks this makes Usyk the best heavyweight in the world as he "might lose to Deontay Wilder".
"I'm not saying that, I'm saying that I think he can beat Tyson Fury - but I think he might lose to Deontay Wilder," Rahman added. "Styles make fights, and I think that a boxer is the worst style for Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury needs big broad brawlers."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...d4ae8422&ei=10
Klimas told SNAC: "If this fight is going to happen, only April 29th. Or it's just going to be cancelled, and we'll go with the mandatory."
The boxing manager revealed Fury's US promotional team Top Rank are now involved to try and smooth over negotiations.
But Klimas claimed the current unified heavyweight and ex-undisputed cruiserweight champion is being treated unfairly.
He said: "It's changed, Top Rank got more involved in it, but not too much.
"They’re still treating Oleksandr Usyk like they did with Derek Chisora, or Dillian Whyte.
"They act like it's just a regular Fury fight in the UK, and everything has to be by Fury's rules."
Fury, 34, spoke out to demand NO rematch clause in the contract but Usyk's side claimed his team were the ones asking for it.
Klimas said: "So what's it going to be tomorrow? You can not fight with right hand? Only one hand?
"What's going to be next? We don't know what's going to be next from this guy."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21757...syk-mandatory/
Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk have until April 1 to come to an agreement for their proposed undisputed fight. With negotiations continuing to stall, the WBA has declared that they will order Usyk to defend his belt against Daniel Dubois if the deadline is not met.
But now WBA president Gilberto Mendoza has come out and declared that they only have until April 1 before the WBA re-orders Usyk to face Dubois. Taking to Twitter, he wrote: "Usyk v. Fury update: @WBABoxing deadline to receive signed bout contracts is April 1st. Otherwise, the Dubois mandatory negotiations will be ordered."
Dubois is currently recovering from a torn ACL suffered in his last bout against Kevin Lerena. Triple D's promoter Frank Warren told Express Sport earlier this month that he is back in training and ready to return around mid to late May at the earliest.
Warren also disclosed that Fury will likely face a different opponent on the same date if the Usyk fight can't be made. Usyk's side is understood to have sent a new set of terms for the Fury fight to Queensbury Promotions yesterday and are now awaiting a response and potential contract redraft.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...0dd3475&ei=122
That pretty much nix's any hope of pressure to get Fury and further negotiation by the 1st. They'll just stall it out, Fury will keep calling him a puzzy :p and he'll get want he actually wants after all...not fighting Usyk! It'll be Fury in Dubai vs anyone not named Usyk. Zero doubt about that.
If the fight is off then Fury is insane because he will never ever get a better chance to become undisputed champion. A real wasted opportunity.
Anyone really surprised....
Seems to be the rematch issue. Why the fuck is that even an issue.
Am I missing something
Who ever defends Fury over this is an enemy of boxing.
The 'fighting man' shat his breeches
I'm embarrassed for boxing. 70/30 on home soil for a chance to become Undisputed and you can’t close the deal ? This is a horrible look for Fury.
This is why UFC is so big
Dana White forces the best to fight the best. No ducking possible, if you do, you lose your belt and eventually your career since no one will respect you and some younger and hungrier dude will take your spot. Fury wants to say he's heavyweight champ without having to walk the walk.
Team Usyk have always been such straight shooters that many boxing fans kept calling them boring. Klimas and Kim are both no nonsense straight shooters with a proven history of always telling how it is. They are the opposite of the Warren-type of mind game playing slimy con men who is always so quick to take fighters to court.
Yeah yeah Tyson sure he'll do another insta video "Usyk ugly gappy tooth middleweight. You didn't want the gyspy king !!!"
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It is an invented issue isn't it? Fury's team inserted that clause then wanted it removed because every other tactic to stall the fight or put the blame on Usyk for it not happening did not work.
Usyk called his bluff and exposed him.
Cocaine? Fury claims depresson
Nandrolene? Fury blames wild boar which despite him looking like Obelix is laughable.
Joshua? Fury claims Josua having no belts means he is not interested in fighting him ever or some bollocks
There is a pattern here
Yep as a fan I'm just in denial (not far off former fan).
Just can't see how he's scared of fighting either Usyk or Joshua - unless he knows he's shot.
Let's await his next social media post