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The prosecution rests......
Obama defends handling of Russian meddling ahead of election: ‘We handled it the way we should have’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2e1ba59efa0a
President Obama said Friday that his administration did not ascribe motives to Russia's alleged meddling in the 2016 campaign ahead of Election Day because he did not want to be seen as influencing the outcome in favor of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, or risk exposing the nation's electoral system to greater attack.
Speaking at a year-end news conference, Obama said, “We did not — and the reason we did not was because in this hyper-partisan atmosphere, at a time when my primary concern was making sure that the integrity of the election process was not in any way damaged, at a time when anything that was said by me or anybody in the White House would immediately be seen through a partisan lens. I wanted to make sure that everybody understood we were playing this thing straight, that we weren't trying to advantage one side or another.”
“Imagine if we had done the opposite, it would become immediately just one more political scrum,” he added. “And part of the goal here was to make sure that we did not do the work of the leakers for them by raising more and more questions about the integrity of the election right before the election was taking place -- at a time, by the way, when the president-elect himself was raising questions about the integrity of the election.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuam3PiHIGo
"He denies it. So the idea that somehow public shaming is gonna be effective, I think doesn't read the thought process in Russia very well.” - 44th President of the United States Barack Hussein Obama on Vladimir Putin and allegations of Russian meddling in our election.
Awwwww ya got some sads :eek: better luck next time folks ;)
That was one thing one of those hack groups released. The us developed shit so they could hack and make it look like it came from other countries. The code or whatever it is was dumped on the dark web. This is off the top of my head, I read several articles on it I’ll need to look up the details. Might have been on Wikileaks as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongShiiiiit the CIA has software so that the United States can interfere in elections and BLAME Russia or China....it's Vault 7 look it up for yourselves!Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
It WAS on WikiLeaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusThat was one thing one of those back groups released. The us developed shit so they could hack and make it look like it came from other countries. The code or whatever it is was dumped on the dark web. This is off the top of my head, I read several articles on it I’ll need to look up the details. Might have been on Wikileaks as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongShiiiiit the CIA has software so that the United States can interfere in elections and BLAME Russia or China....it's Vault 7 look it up for yourselves!Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Notice how we've only HEARD about this meddling, we haven't SEEN evidence...wouldn't the media be SHOWING us the evidence if they had it?
The CIA had a special programme allowing it to trick people into thinking they had been hacked by other countries, according to WikiLeaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIt WAS on WikiLeaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusThat was one thing one of those back groups released. The us developed shit so they could hack and make it look like it came from other countries. The code or whatever it is was dumped on the dark web. This is off the top of my head, I read several articles on it I’ll need to look up the details. Might have been on Wikileaks as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongShiiiiit the CIA has software so that the United States can interfere in elections and BLAME Russia or China....it's Vault 7 look it up for yourselves!Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Notice how we've only HEARD about this meddling, we haven't SEEN evidence...wouldn't the media be SHOWING us the evidence if they had it?
The agency was cataloguing the hacking methods of outside cyber attackers, including those from Russia, according to files published by the organisation. Once it had them catalogued, it could use them to break into other countries or people's computers or phones – making it look like a different country had done so.
WikiLeaks made specific reference to the Russian Federation. Tensions between the US and Russia have escalated in recent months, in particular since American intelligence agencies blamed the hack of Democratic emails – credited with swaying the election of Donald Trump – on the country.
Ya here is some of it from the independent
The article could be a Fox News article. It's just parroting the Trump administration line.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe Spectator is probably the most right wing mainstream publication in Britain. It is nowhere close to objective. I read it for years because it had a fantastic column written by somebody called Jeffery Bernard. At the same time it used to publish a column written by an outright fascist and a guy who now financially backs the Greek fascist party.Quote:
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But then we can probably throw rocks at just about ANY publication and accuse it of leaning one way or the other can't we.
In the spectrum of 1-100 where 1 is Trump's immediate family and 100 is Robert DeNiro, show me a publication that is right down the middle, a 50....... and I'll show you some beachfront property I own in Nebraska.
Forget the source then. Focus on what is being said. Trump is being criticized. But with at least the veil of objectivity, some rhyme is given to the reason.
Personally, I can't stand Trump. But for the life of me I can't remember a public figure where the polarization went to such extremes.
It's ridiculous, FFS.
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Don't forget the North Korean debacle. Trump announces he's solved the NK problem and Americans can sleep easy, he's ended the nuclear threat. Then we hear that NK are expanding their nuclear facilities. Then the Secretary of State turns up to meet Kim and Kim decides to visit a potato farm instead of turning up. Some General sits in for him and calls the Trump administration a bunch of gangsters afterwards. Americans who were there say the meeting went as badly as it could have gone. Then at another meeting to arrange the return of the remains of US soldiers the NKs don't even turn up leaving the Americans sitting there. If the previous president had done this and was still claiming things were going well I can only imagine...........
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From Trump's own version of the private meeting it's clear he was even worse in private. He spent the Putin meeting and the press conference reciting conspiracy theories and blaming everybody else but Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Putin admitted he wanted Trump to win.
According to the dozen indictments from last Friday Mueller has evidence that will prove beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law that Russian intelligence hacked the DNC server and a whole load of other stuff with the intention of helping Trump win the election. The Director of National Intelligence, the head of all the intel agencies says that there's no doubt that Russia was responsible for the hacking and they used the results of their hacking to try and help Trump win. He also says the system is blinking red regarding ongoing Russian hacking attempts of the electoral system for the November elections and various other Russian shenanigans. Bearing all this in mind is it now time to retire the Seth Rich conspiracy theory that he was respoinsible for the DNC server leaks or are you still going to cling to that one?
And here's what happened to the DNC server. Long story short, Trump is full of shit about this too. This was one of the conspiracy theories he was bitching about yesterday.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps...g-nor-a-server
To be fair to Trump employee evaluations are normally done in private, it was wrong for Putin to force him into all those public admissions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...rticle/327389/
This is an older article about the Stuxnet virus, another one we fucked up on
Lyle, I get your points. But I'd like to address each one with my own point of view.
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Ok let's say you're right here. Really there's no way of knowing if Trump had that "knock down drag out" in private, but let's say he did. Being intelligent men the both of them, isn't there something to be said about Trump wanting to save a little face? And shouldn't Putin understand, if they really want to put on a show and appease all sides? Ok so the knockdown dragout goes.... but in public something should've been said or interchanged, so Trump could save some face with his many critics, and get the hounds off his back.
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Absolutely NO argument there. Matter of fact, glad to hear you say it.... because many patriotic deniers would murder you if they heard you say that. Why..... it's sacrilegious. But still..... rightly or wrongly, the old adage of two wrongs don't make a right still applies. Yes, the Americans have done it... but it's still wrong of the Russians to do it to the U.S. It's wrong no matter who does it to whom.
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But they meddled, and that's the point. Whether they played both sides or not, it was wrong of them to meddle. That point should be made crystal clear.
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Not necessarily. Again, Trump is a sufficiently intelligent and savvy person to be able to say "Ok, you meddled. Not that it had any influence over the final outcome, but you meddled, and it was wrong. Don't do it again.... (wink, wink)." You get some of the hounds off your back and it's business as usual. C'mon..... I'm sure Trump, with the help of his consultants, could've pulled it off.
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Well..... you should know by now I'm a Hillary hater, and Obama was mediocre at best. But once again we're talking about Trump here. I know you, like many others, like to throw rocks at past Presidents when confronted with criticism about the current President. But logically we should be past that now. Trump's been President for a year and a half. Time to let it go.
Oh no tits, Obama was blaming bush for shit for 8 years. Obama said the Russian shit was no big deal. If we are so worried about the safety of our elections, let’s have voter ID laws. This is political circusQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanLyle, I get your points. But I'd like to address each one with my own point of view.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Ok let's say you're right here. Really there's no way of knowing if Trump had that "knock down drag out" in private, but let's say he did. Being intelligent men the both of them, isn't there something to be said about Trump wanting to save a little face? And shouldn't Putin understand, if they really want to put on a show and appease all sides? Ok so the knockdown dragout goes.... but in public something should've been said or interchanged, so Trump could save some face with his many critics, and get the hounds off his back.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Absolutely NO argument there. Matter of fact, glad to hear you say it.... because many patriotic deniers would murder you if they heard you say that. Why..... it's sacrilegious. But still..... rightly or wrongly, the old adage of two wrongs don't make a right still applies. Yes, the Americans have done it... but it's still wrong of the Russians to do it to the U.S. It's wrong no matter who does it to whom.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
But they meddled, and that's the point. Whether they played both sides or not, it was wrong of them to meddle. That point should be made crystal clear.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Not necessarily. Again, Trump is a sufficiently intelligent and savvy person to be able to say "Ok, you meddled. Not that it had any influence over the final outcome, but you meddled, and it was wrong. Don't do it again.... (wink, wink)." You get some of the hounds off your back and it's business as usual. C'mon..... I'm sure Trump, with the help of his consultants, could've pulled it off.
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Well..... you should know by now I'm a Hillary hater, and Obama was mediocre at best. But once again we're talking about Trump here. I know you, like many others, like to throw rocks at past Presidents when confronted with criticism about the current President. But logically we should be past that now. Trump's been President for a year and a half. Time to let it go.
The only person it's clear to is you Kirkland
I voted for Donald Trump not because any Russian convinced me.
I tell you what I would like to see, start initiating cyber treaties. The Stuxnet worm or virus shows that we can have the ability to shut a country’s infrastructure down. This is some serious shit.
No worries brother I have grown to enjoy debating you ;D
Who isn't appeased? I thought at the start of his Presidency the MAIN issue was "OMG Trump is going to get us nuked!!!" well he's just been very civil with a world leader he considers a gigantic rival (see Trumps previous tweets, see his actions prior to their meeting, he's not kowtowing he's just not overreacting). this is a GOOD thing. His quote about not caring about the political risks to achieve peace....had a Democrat said that the whole of CNN would have nutted all over themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Also there is absolutely NOTHING Tito which will get "the hounds off of his back"....Trump could help an old lady cross the street and I guarantee you CNN/MSNBC/ETC would have a negative angle on it.
OK then we agree now the issue becomes to what degree was there meddling and was any damage done?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Again we're now to the point of penalty....how much should Russia suffer when American intelligence officers admit freely and openly that 0 votes were changed? It's like if I attempt to murder someone and fail the penalty will be less than if I successfully do it and it would be different if I killed someone by accident.....so where we are is the Russians attempted to meddle (to what degree? :dontknow: ), what did they end up affecting? :dontknow: So what should their penalty be? :dontknow: ......in this day and age I'm certain a lot of developed countries do this kind of thing, the internet makes it very easy for me to espouse my political beliefs on here to any and all readers so how far down this rabbit hole do we go?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The same people who once believed this...Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
https://stumplane.files.wordpress.co...gged.jpg?w=600
Now think Russia ruined the election and they say absolutely NOTHING about Hillary who DID rig her nomination against Bernie...so if Russia is guilty of this then Hillary is certainly guilty and she was successful with it.
Past sets precedent for the future it's why I bring Obama and Hillary up it's why had he lost you (or someone else) would bring up Trump. It's not about "letting go" it's about being intellectually honest and consistent...just my take on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The globalists have had a Stranglehold since the late 1980s with political correctness and slowly ratcheting that up to make free speech very very questionable and for us to be bending over backwards to try to avoid even the remotest illusions of racism and bigotry. Now how long comes Trump and nobody is ready for the in-your-face Frank talk. Now we have Trump derangement syndrome full blown
Trump was not in your face with Putin more with his own CIA, NATO, EU and May. Makes you wonder why that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Master , there are 2 things unrelated happening at once. One is the FBI and DOJ were severely infested with biased operatives against Trump at all costs, and totally for Clinton. So he's treating them tough now.
The other is ...why NOT get along with Putin? Those are unrelated. But you're trying to connect them.
The Obama’s attacks by trump are shameful. He will step it up as midterms approach. Even bush, the neocon, throws in some jabs from time to time. Obama set up a team to undermine trump. Any time I do a search on trump it’s all the bullshit attacks on the first twelve pages. @Kirkland Laing puts fake news on web sites which proves English meddling. The deepstate is having seizures.
Presidents and their performances should be looked at in a vacuum. That is to say forget about past Presidents. We have the same type of politics down here with the Governors. Always blaming the previous Governor when things don't go right. It's B.S. It's too easy a card to play. A guy clocks out he clocks out. Why keep beating that dead horse? I hated Bush Jr. with a passion. But once he left he left. It was time to concentrate on Obama. I thought Obama was mediocre at best, and was totally disappointed in how he failed to use his Presidency to improve race relations in the States. Didn't do so well with the economy, either. But he's gone now too. That's why I don't like him being brought up in defense of Trump. Let Trump's achievements or screw-ups stand on their own. But I guess that's too much to ask.
I hear u tits but that’s not politics. We still compare presidents to Lincoln and Kennedy. I don’t always like it but it is a yardstick to measure presidents by. It’s what they do in debates and on the news, even history books. It makes sense to compare how one pres is treated differently for similar actions and situations, it shows where we are at in hypocrisy and partisanship. I know you disagree but of course I am right so don’t bother replying.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
tits, we also need to compare presidents to see what we have done wrong with foreign policy that made the Russia, best Korea etc. mistakes that lead to the mess we are inQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusI hear u tits but that’s not politics. We still compare presidents to Lincoln and Kennedy. I don’t always like it but it is a yardstick to measure presidents by. It’s what they do in debates and on the news, even history books. It makes sense to compare how one pres is treated differently for similar actions and situations, it shows where we are at in hypocrisy and partisanship. I know you disagree but of course I am right so don’t bother replying.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by walrustits, we also need to compare presidents to see what we have done wrong with foreign policy that made the Russia, best Korea etc. mistakes that lead to the mess we are inQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusI hear u tits but that’s not politics. We still compare presidents to Lincoln and Kennedy. I don’t always like it but it is a yardstick to measure presidents by. It’s what they do in debates and on the news, even history books. It makes sense to compare how one pres is treated differently for similar actions and situations, it shows where we are at in hypocrisy and partisanship. I know you disagree but of course I am right so don’t bother replying.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Comparisons are used to whine, bitch and moan. Nothing constructive about that. All it says is "my guy is doing it wrong? well..... so-and-so did it worse." Lowers the bar sort to speak.
That me be true but trump is 110 times better compared to Obama’s I can give u 110 examples. We will soon have world domination with Putin and trumpQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by walrustits, we also need to compare presidents to see what we have done wrong with foreign policy that made the Russia, best Korea etc. mistakes that lead to the mess we are inQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusI hear u tits but that’s not politics. We still compare presidents to Lincoln and Kennedy. I don’t always like it but it is a yardstick to measure presidents by. It’s what they do in debates and on the news, even history books. It makes sense to compare how one pres is treated differently for similar actions and situations, it shows where we are at in hypocrisy and partisanship. I know you disagree but of course I am right so don’t bother replying.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Comparisons are used to whine, bitch and moan. Nothing constructive about that. All it says is "my guy is doing it wrong? well..... so-and-so did it worse." Lowers the bar sort to speak.
Tito IMHO it's not about comparing the performances that Obama and Clinton are still being mentioned. It's about law enforcement and how Obama and Clinton were favored by the FBI and the doj and how Trump had the deck stacked against him by the FBI in the doj
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Originally Posted by walrusThat me be true but trump is 110 times better compared to Obama’s I can give u 110 examples. We will soon have world domination with Putin and trumpQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by walrustits, we also need to compare presidents to see what we have done wrong with foreign policy that made the Russia, best Korea etc. mistakes that lead to the mess we are inQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusI hear u tits but that’s not politics. We still compare presidents to Lincoln and Kennedy. I don’t always like it but it is a yardstick to measure presidents by. It’s what they do in debates and on the news, even history books. It makes sense to compare how one pres is treated differently for similar actions and situations, it shows where we are at in hypocrisy and partisanship. I know you disagree but of course I am right so don’t bother replying.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Comparisons are used to whine, bitch and moan. Nothing constructive about that. All it says is "my guy is doing it wrong? well..... so-and-so did it worse." Lowers the bar sort to speak.
Putin and Trump. Sounds like either a cheap law firm, or a 2nd rate comedy hour.
Putin, Trump & Gonzalez
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How dare you thAt is completely inappropriateQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusThat me be true but trump is 110 times better compared to Obama’s I can give u 110 examples. We will soon have world domination with Putin and trumpQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by walrustits, we also need to compare presidents to see what we have done wrong with foreign policy that made the Russia, best Korea etc. mistakes that lead to the mess we are inQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusI hear u tits but that’s not politics. We still compare presidents to Lincoln and Kennedy. I don’t always like it but it is a yardstick to measure presidents by. It’s what they do in debates and on the news, even history books. It makes sense to compare how one pres is treated differently for similar actions and situations, it shows where we are at in hypocrisy and partisanship. I know you disagree but of course I am right so don’t bother replying.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Comparisons are used to whine, bitch and moan. Nothing constructive about that. All it says is "my guy is doing it wrong? well..... so-and-so did it worse." Lowers the bar sort to speak.
Putin and Trump. Sounds like either a cheap law firm, or a 2nd rate comedy hour.
Thank you for the clarification Trump. Shame you were not brave enough to say it in front of Putin.
I am 100% sure now that Putin has naked pictures of Trump.
there are different people in a country with hundreds of millions of people who are capable of hacking and doing things and has nothing to do with Obama or Putin or Trump or Theresa May.
it's like saying that Theresa May directed Christopher Steele to do whatever he did.
It's like saying that Barack Obama directed some American hacker to hack into the Iraq e Parliament server.
Just because 12 Russians try to hack the election doesn't mean that Vladimir Putin had anything to do with it or even knew about it
Nor does it mean that whatever those 12 Russians managed to do that we can now prove that they got inside of American people's brains and influenced who they chose to vote for once they entered the ballot Box behind a curtain and pressed a button for Donald Trump instead of Hillary Clinton
this would be a very very difficult thing to prove and I don't see how it could ever be done
@Master
Don’t get it twisted that was just a 4D cuck by god emperor. Prince Barron will know what to do when his reign begins. Some times one must strategically cuck for the greater goodQuote:
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Again...what the hell did you want Trump to do? Make Putin look like a fool in front of everyone in the world? Yeah THEN he'd be willing to work with Trump :rolleyes: "Oh hey Trump, thanks for humiliating me for the world to see...what was that about you wanting help in Iran again? Sure we'd be GLAD to help out there!" ...that's not how real life works....leave the deal making to THE deal maker, do you not think Trump has dealt with hardasses before dealing in real estate as big as he does? Do you not think Trump has dealt with government bureaucrats who want to "teach him a lesson" before? He's a shrewd guy and everyone wants to assume he's a fucking retard....if he's such a retard how'd he beat out 16 Republican candidates AND Hillary Clinton? "Russian meddling"???? The United States' own intelligence community say "0 votes were changed, 0 votes were affected"....so please elaborate....Trump is in Putin's pocket because :dontknow: and Putin must have naked pictures of Trump because Trump _____________??????Quote:
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Sometimes you have to kill folks with kindness...it sucks sometimes, but it doesn't suck as bad as a shooting war with another nuclear power.
Would yall kindly come back down to Earth and just chill the fuck out about this? You guys are driving yourselves insane.
If you are right and Trump wanted to play nice to Putin then why clarify afterwards because it will certainly annoy Putin now.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Can't win for losing :shakehead:Quote:
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What could have happened and your reaction
Trump just punched Putin right in the jaw when they met your reaction would be "OMG nuclear war!!!!"
Trump is indifferent to Putin and you're all "OMG OMG OMG nuclear war, we're all dead OR they're colluding and we'll all be crushed under their fascist regime either way it's awful, horrible, the worst ever!!!!"
Trump is civil to Putin and you're all "OMG they are collaborating!!!!"
Take a deep breath, chill the fuck out, and just WAIT to see how things unfold....my word you're ready to be outraged at literally ANYTHING Trump says or does, it's part of the Trump Derangement Syndrome Master, you've got it bad.
I am cool.
You defending Trump at everything he does is funny.
What did he do wrong? Please explainQuote:
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They only use platitudes to try to prove what Trump has "done wrong".
Ridiculous.
Bored people with nothing better to do but DREAM UP STUFF, PLAY THEIR VIOLINS, AND SCREAM "THANKS TO TRUMP, THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!"
bwaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHA
At the least Trump "misspoke" when he sided with Vladimir Putin over claims of meddling in US elections or are you going to defend that and say it was part of his strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat did he do wrong? Please explainQuote:
Originally Posted by Master