The rematch, Carl Froch - Mikkel Kessler 2 fight chat thread - Warriors Call !!!

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

These yankees are always deluded; they think the whole world is america: there's 195 other countries in the world, you self-absorbed jack@$$es! One time, america was a stronghold for boxing, but no longer. Plenty of world-class boxing is taking place outside of america featuring world-class non-american fighters.

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US being bad mouthed by a country that's not even as big as some of it's states. :vd:

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"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog."


The Spanish tried to invade my country once, right here a couple of miles from my doorstep. We had a queen at the time and we still kicked their ass and sent them packing,.....your speaking their language.

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Respect what saved you. If it wasn't for the US you'll be draped in black, red and gold. Instead of the Union Jack

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Yea things would have been better

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

These yankees are always deluded; they think the whole world is america: there's 195 other countries in the world, you self-absorbed jack@$$es! One time, america was a stronghold for boxing, but no longer. Plenty of world-class boxing is taking place outside of america featuring world-class non-american fighters.

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US being bad mouthed by a country that's not even as big as some of it's states. :vd:

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"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog."


The Spanish tried to invade my country once, right here a couple of miles from my doorstep. We had a queen at the time and we still kicked their ass and sent them packing,.....your speaking their language.

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Respect what saved you. If it wasn't for the US you'll be draped in black, red and gold. Instead of the Union Jack

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Yea things would have been better

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It would of been God save Hitler instead of God save the queen.

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US being bad mouthed by a country that's not even as big as some of it's states. :vd:

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And yet our small country, that isn't as big as some of your states, owned you and ruled you for years.

He wasn't bad mouthing your country. He was bad mouthing the ideology that the US is where you must travel to prove your worth in boxing, while US fighters think they don't have to travel to prove anything. It is a moronic opinion when the US no longer has a stronghold on boxing.

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What's moronic is a fighter thinking he can dictate financial terms to a fighter who beat him with ease. How much sense does that make? You want him over there than pay him what he deserves. It's that simple. Froch and his people claim they want Ward again. And that they want him in the UK. That's fine. But have they ever made him an offer to prove they really want it? It's easy to say you want it and do nothing. How about prove you want it and make an offer

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I basically said the same thing earlier in the thread that Ward was using his interview to reveal his negotiating hand. I never said he didn't want it. I'm saying he should want it. While it may seem ridiculous to you, that is Boxing. If you are not the draw, you can't dictate the terms. Hopkins already said to Froch he'd come to the UK, and Froch would likely make more for that than he would for Ward. Since Andre wants the money fights, he doesn't really have another door to go through.

Video of Froch-Kessler II:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfr-Gal9IEY

Its really making a case for not taking Ward. Froch can stay at home and fight Kenny Getup or Dusty Trunks and make the money and draw fans. I'm not disputing the market but at what point does actually wanting to right a loss take over. Ward isn't some pug or homeless also ran. Its his prerogativ as the winner and dominate guy to do as he pleases and he is under zero obligation to take a pay cut or come with tin cup in hand. In the end it will be Froch not making the fight if it doesn't come off, and I like the guy! If you can beat him, go get him.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

US being bad mouthed by a country that's not even as big as some of it's states. :vd:

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And yet our small country, that isn't as big as some of your states, owned you and ruled you for years.

He wasn't bad mouthing your country. He was bad mouthing the ideology that the US is where you must travel to prove your worth in boxing, while US fighters think they don't have to travel to prove anything. It is a moronic opinion when the US no longer has a stronghold on boxing.

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What's moronic is a fighter thinking he can dictate financial terms to a fighter who beat him with ease. How much sense does that make? You want him over there than pay him what he deserves. It's that simple. Froch and his people claim they want Ward again. And that they want him in the UK. That's fine. But have they ever made him an offer to prove they really want it? It's easy to say you want it and do nothing. How about prove you want it and make an offer

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I basically said the same thing earlier in the thread that Ward was using his interview to reveal his negotiating hand. I never said he didn't want it. I'm saying he should want it. While it may seem ridiculous to you, that is Boxing. If you are not the draw, you can't dictate the terms. Hopkins already said to Froch he'd come to the UK, and Froch would likely make more for that than he would for Ward. Since Andre wants the money fights, he doesn't really have another door to go through.

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Exactly. If there's no offer there's no door to go through. And based on the post fight interview it sure sounds like Froch would rather fight Kessler again than Ward

Post-fight Press conference here:

Carl Froch post fight press conference - YouTube

I scored the fight 115-113 Froch. Big win for him.

I don't want to speak to soon but this is looking good thus far. Not much time feeling each other out

On top of my laptop breaking this week and finishing with the girl I love , I dropped my iPhone in the toilet and it broke, I might not be able to post on here for a bit unless I can borrow my friends laptop but until I can get things sorted, ill be off the radar :( I know froch won, but I am gutted here. Today has been such a good bad day :(! Catch everyone soon.

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

On top of my laptop breaking this week and finishing with the girl I love , I dropped my iPhone in the toilet and it broke, I might not be able to post on here for a bit unless I can borrow my friends laptop but until I can get things sorted, ill be off the radar :( I know froch won, but I am gutted here. Today has been such a good bad day :(! Catch everyone soon.

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Very sorry to hear you are going through some doo doo. As we know from experience, all things must pass. Stay well

Carl Froch has crossed the Atlantic to fight several times, including his loss to Ward.
Andre Ward would gain so much more respect if he were to venture outside the U.S. for the first time to take on Froch again.

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

These yankees are always deluded; they think the whole world is america: there's 195 other countries in the world, you self-absorbed jack@$$es! One time, america was a stronghold for boxing, but no longer. Plenty of world-class boxing is taking place outside of america featuring world-class non-american fighters.

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US being bad mouthed by a country that's not even as big as some of it's states. :vd:

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"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog."


The Spanish tried to invade my country once, right here a couple of miles from my doorstep. We had a queen at the time and we still kicked their ass and sent them packing,.....your speaking their language.

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Respect what saved you. If it wasn't for the US you'll be draped in black, red and gold. Instead of the Union Jack

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Yea things would have been better

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It would of been God save Hitler instead of God save the queen.

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Blitzkrieg tactics didn't work on the uk and the axis all but decided not to bother with the UK after their tactics of quickly crippling s nation's infastructure before invading failed.

The eventual German defeat had as much to do with Hitler spreading the German army over two fronts than the US intervening... They'd lost the war in western europe the second they tried to invade russua IN THE WINTER.

Educate yourself.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

These yankees are always deluded; they think the whole world is america: there's 195 other countries in the world, you self-absorbed jack@$$es! One time, america was a stronghold for boxing, but no longer. Plenty of world-class boxing is taking place outside of america featuring world-class non-american fighters.

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US being bad mouthed by a country that's not even as big as some of it's states. :vd:

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And look at the UK's ratio of champions over recent years versus the USA which is fuck knows how many times bigger and has 5 times the population! The USA's position in boxing is close to laughable for the 3rd biggest population in the world and with opportunities afforded to people

For such a huge nation's amature program not to produce any gold medals doesn't bode to well for the calibre of future talent coming up from it either... :-\