Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by Violent Bob
Do you really not see the difference, mate, between you liking the Kiltchkos--who are from halfway around the world--because they're white, versus a Mexican or Mexican-American liking a fighter FROM MEXICO? One is racial, the other is national. Will you root for the world cup team who has the highest percentage of white people rather than the U.S. team, which has more black and hispanic players on it, because you can "identify better" with a bunch of Swedes than with blokes from your own backyard? This is nonsense.
The Klitschko's being white doesn't have a ton to do with why I like them. I like the way they fight and the way they carry themselves, I can identify with it. I can't identify with James Toney or Antonio Tarver never showing ANY respect for ANYONE...I mean at some point in time respect is deserved and should be granted.
I can identify with Duran being a blatant asshole but I find that to be different because he didn't promote himself at the same time he was just angry. I liked Foreman too and he was a mean SOB....I don't really like the guys who brag like Tarver and Toney but I like the mean bastards like Duran, Foreman, and Tyson. I would rather be mean to everyone than not show respect to them...don't know if that's just playing favorites or if there is an actual difference.
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by maracho
Today I would bet that men like Louis Farrakhan and Jessie Jackson have a lot of influence on racism against white fighters and probably even influence to some degree black fighters who tend to avoid some of the white European fighters.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but it sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory. And I don't know what "racism against white fighters" you're talking about, regardless of which black political figures are or are not plotting to make it happen.
Are you denying that Jessie Jackson and Farrakhan spend huge amounts of time with black boxers? I know they where a huge influence on Ali, Tyson and many more and are still seen sitting in the stages besides well known black boxers.
Just read how Elijah Muhammad influenced Ali and tried to influence Sugar Ray robinson.
Oh and just listen to all the chants Toney gets after his fight with Rachman gets for his racist remarks against white fighters. I could find a whole lot more examples if you insist and will probably do it anyway but I have to go make a little money right now.
Oh and just go dig up some Tyson videos and listen to him confess how he was brainwashed to hate the white man.
1. Jesse Jackson is not a racist and shouldn't be grouped with Farrakhan or Elija Muhammad.
2. You may be right in a few instances, that's fine. I didn't mean to imply there's never been a black boxer that could be legitimately accused of racial bias--really I was unclear that that's what you were saying, but I get it now. I just don't think there's some kind of huge anti-white movement going on in the boxing world. I just haven't seen anything of the sort.
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
1) Jesse Jackson might not be a racist but like Al Sharpton he loves the limelight. I dislike him because he EXTORTS money from people and doesn't practice what he preaches.
2) James Toney anyone? I mean let's face facts boxers are stereotyped by style, size, and sadly enough race.
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
1) Jesse Jackson might not be a racist but like Al Sharpton he loves the limelight. I dislike him because he EXTORTS money from people and doesn't practice what he preaches.
2) James Toney anyone? I mean let's face facts boxers are stereotyped by style, size, and sadly enough race.
I've got no interest in defending James Toney. All I'm saying is I don't think there is a huge anti-white movement in boxing. James Toney is an out-there dude in many ways--he's not representative of the sport (thank god).
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by Lyle
1) Jesse Jackson might not be a racist but like Al Sharpton he loves the limelight. I dislike him because he EXTORTS money from people and doesn't practice what he preaches.
2) James Toney anyone? I mean let's face facts boxers are stereotyped by style, size, and sadly enough race.
I've got no interest in defending James Toney. All I'm saying is I don't think there is a huge anti-white movement in boxing. James Toney is an out-there dude in many ways--he's not representative of the sport (thank god).
I agree that there is not a huge one in boxing right now but there is a huge anti-white move in the U.S. by some of the racists that I mentioned
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by Lyle
1) Jesse Jackson might not be a racist but like Al Sharpton he loves the limelight. I dislike him because he EXTORTS money from people and doesn't practice what he preaches.
2) James Toney anyone? I mean let's face facts boxers are stereotyped by style, size, and sadly enough race.
I've got no interest in defending James Toney. All I'm saying is I don't think there is a huge anti-white movement in boxing. James Toney is an out-there dude in many ways--he's not representative of the sport (thank god).
I agree that there is not a huge one in boxing right now but there is a huge anti-white move in the U.S. by some of the racists that I mentioned
Right, since those people have so much power in the US. ::** I think there is more understandable resentment at long-term economic oppression than there is "anti-white" racism--if it presents itself in that guise it's unfortunate, but I think you need to distinguish between rich, powerful white people calling black people monkeys, screwing low-income areas over on education so that they'll never be able to achieve anything, etc., on the one hand, and poor, disempowered people lashing out at (concededly overbroadly) at those they feel (rightly to a large extent) are responsible for the situation they're in.
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
I feel that more Afroamericans need to realize that the white men with power who are often screwing them over are also the same ones who are screwing the hard working white men over.
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This thread has gotten right about to the point that the author intended.
He was right. :coolclick:
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by Violent Bob
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Originally Posted by Lyle
All I have to say is think about what would never happen if everyone felt inferior! Nationalism is a good thing
Err, sure mate. Like if the
National Socialists (aka Nazis) had felt "inferior" rather than
superior, then "what would never happen" would be . . . WWII and the Holocaust. So yeah, mate, nationalism is a good thing. ::**
Hitler wore a mustache too, so I guess we better watch out there too!! ;D
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by Weebels
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Originally Posted by Violent Bob
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Originally Posted by Lyle
All I have to say is think about what would never happen if everyone felt inferior! Nationalism is a good thing
Err, sure mate. Like if the
National Socialists (aka Nazis) had felt "inferior" rather than
superior, then "what would never happen" would be . . . WWII and the Holocaust. So yeah, mate, nationalism is a good thing. ::**
Or maybe, oh I don't know, the Revolutionary War, (thats the one the Brits gave away because it was too far to sail) :P
or perhap the Brits during WWII at the height of the bombing of London. I think that people that can't tell the difference between bigotry and Nationalism, need to quit looking at them selves and look around them and realize that it isn't all about you.
Nationalism is often brought out in things like the Olympics, when you hear the National Anthem, (the song that represents the people in a particular geographic area.) and the extra pride you feel for that person who not only represents them selves, but your country.
Having been to 2 different Olympics I must say it is one of the best thrills in sports to root for your country's athletes/teams against other nations!!! Healthy competition...to equate it only with war & nazis is ridiculous!! ::**
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by maracho
Racism has always been a part of sports and is not that bad in the U.S. like it is in Europe where the fans hoot like monkeys against black players. The U.S. used to be real bad against black boxers where they where paid to take a dive or disallowed to fight white champions. Today I would bet that men like Louis Farrakhan and Jessie Jackson have a lot of influence on racism against white fighters and probably even influence to some degree black fighters who tend to avoid some of the white European fighters.
I dont think FairyKhan & Jackson have THAT much influence on black fighters, unless you're talking about a nutcase like Tyson! :o
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by maracho
Today I would bet that men like Louis Farrakhan and Jessie Jackson have a lot of influence on racism against white fighters and probably even influence to some degree black fighters who tend to avoid some of the white European fighters.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but it sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory. And I don't know what "racism against white fighters" you're talking about, regardless of which black political figures are or are not plotting to make it happen.
Exactly...the only recent occasion (10 years back) where I saw Farrakhan get involved with boxing when he was sitting next to fellow racist Rock Newman at the Holyfield-Bowe 2 fight...when the "fan man" came down, screwy louie thought is it was an ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT!! ;D
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by maracho
Today I would bet that men like Louis Farrakhan and Jessie Jackson have a lot of influence on racism against white fighters and probably even influence to some degree black fighters who tend to avoid some of the white European fighters.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but it sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory. And I don't know what "racism against white fighters" you're talking about, regardless of which black political figures are or are not plotting to make it happen.
Are you denying that Jessie Jackson and Farrakhan spend huge amounts of time with black boxers? I know they where a huge influence on Ali, Tyson and many more and are still seen sitting in the stages besides well known black boxers.
Just read how Elijah Muhammad influenced Ali and tried to influence Sugar Ray robinson.
Oh and just listen to all the chants Toney gets after his fight with Rachman gets for his racist remarks against white fighters. I could find a whole lot more examples if you insist and will probably do it anyway but I have to go make a little money right now.
Oh and just go dig up some Tyson videos and listen to him confess how he was brainwashed to hate the white man.
Ali & Tyson were both muslims, so that is not surprising & with the exception of Toney, I dont see any racist influence on Taylor, Tarver, Wright, Mayweather or other black boxers!! I didnt catch the Toney-Rahman post fight presser where Toney badmouthed white fighters...are you saying he got cheered for that at the press conference?
Could you please give me the names of recent black boxers that were "sitting in the stages beside Louis Farrakhan?"
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by Weebels
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Originally Posted by raleights
I consider myself blue collar, atleast from that type of background and thats unfortunate for meh, so the next best thing is to fight against it ;D. Just sit back and enjoy the chess match if you're not familiar with the fighters. If you completely must 'root' for someone then wait till you've seen a little bit of the fight. Chris Rock said it best "Anyone who makes up their mind before they hear the issue is a F****** fool", in boxing it's before you 'see' the issue.
Good point. :coolclick:
And yes i must root for someone, the house rule (my house) is you got to pick your fighter befor the fight. And as a general rule someone else will take the other guy. We get to talk trash, point fingers, say how the oposing fighter is a dirty fighter, bla, bla, bla. It makes for a good time for my kids and I. Much like what goes on befor and after fights here on this forum.
That makes plenty of sense. For me personally all my friends like football, basketball, baseball and they're all homosexuals for it. Damn comformative cocksuckers and their team sports, I usually watch the fights all by myself :(
Re: Nationalism, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by raleights
That makes plenty of sense. For me personally all my friends like football, basketball, baseball and they're all homosexuals for it. Damn comformative cocksuckers and their team sports, I usually watch the fights all by myself :(
Mee too, but that's not because my friends like other sports.... it's because they dislike me.
