Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
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Originally Posted by _the_answer_
this fight is possible but has a very little chance to happen...
first of all...
pac's current list includes
larios
morales III
barrera II (for a title!!)
- he needs to close this chapter of his career first before even thinking a fight with floyd...
2nd
considering the big possibility of many beating barrera and being the new champ...
will he and floyd be that stupid to vacate their respective titles just to entertain us?!!!
3rd
i also think this fight could happen only if floyd losses to ODH
and pac losing to MAB
- this will ressurect the career of either one of them and will possibly end the fame and hype of the other...
now comments on the fight...(if it happens)
boxing is mainly about cleverness, power, speed, chin and heart....
other factors such as stamina, height, reach etc.. are subordinates...
the only main advantage of floyd is his boxing IQ.. we all know his one of the smartest of all time..
he and pac may have the same speed.
about the chin and heart... ill give pac the edge..
chin
- the only guy who scored a knockdown against floyd was carlos hernandez
- carlos hernadez fought EM, morales shook-off his best punches
does morales had a granite chin? hell yeah! outstanding chin.. he even absorb raheems right...
- now look whos the first fighter who koed EM? coincidence? PAC
remember round2 of the pac-EM2?
*whos the harder puncher pac or hernandez?
*if hernandez knockdowned floyd, how about pac?
*since pac fought at the big stage against the elites, did he ever hit the canvass?
power
-pac is one of the hardest hitters in any weight division, he has a one punch power
morales and barrera are just too tough and brave that they lasted for long against him..
-floyd doesnt have a one punch ko... back at his superfeatherweight days, he all won by TKO..
-pacs ideal weight at fightime is 142... that means eating a lot after the official weigh-in... that means its not muscle but just baggage for stability... if he adds another 5 pounds of muscle that means more power more speed...
-floyd will go down from 147 to 135, that means smaller and less muscles thus lesser power...
hell just be his old self if he fights pac at 135, only with additional experiences...
back at the days when hes at 130, he does TKO his opponents, mainly due to the stoppage of the opponents cornermen or the referee... so does he have real power?! its just the barrage of punches that made him such a ko artist...
*can pac take his punches? hell yeah..
*can he take pacs power? questionable
heart
-you know whos more relentless
so to all who are saying that this is a bad fight(will this ever happen?) for pac, think again...
i dont want my boy floyd to take this, hell gain nothing against the high risk...
he must concentrate on fights that wont cause a loss like suicide...
like the upcoming ODH fight, both of them surely wins.
great point cc for that..adding to what you have pointed out...pac sparrs against welterweights too and yes he drops them like flys...what floyd had always have against his oppenent was speed pac can match that plus pac is relentless...so what else is their for floyd...the weight? we don't know for sure because it could be worst draining himself to go down 135 then pac coming up...so what about pacs defence? can floyd stop pac for 12 rounds because pac has continues head movement side to side a new look for floyd...and pacs offence has proven to much for his oppenents....
...HIGH RISK FOR FLOYD LOW REWARD not a bad fight for PAC but a bad fight for floyd...i'd love to see this happen...
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
Nice !
I reckon if it went ahead that Mayweather would maybe shade a win
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
There is no way this will happen.....But if it doesssss Mayweather UD.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
zahir raheem will destroy pacman..PBF would almost kill him...he'd better focus on the third fight morrales, and rematch with barrera..if they give a shat about his career..meaning freddie roach and his handlers they'd stop those rumors immediately..because rumors can become a self-fulfilling-prophecy...and pac might start to wonder if he could pull it off himself.
Raheem didn't give Morales the kind of punishment Pacman gave him. I don't think Raheem can do to Pacman what he did to Morales because Pacman is much faster than Morales. Besides, Pacman's aging compatriot Luisito Espinosa knocked down Raheem twice in one fight, although he (Espinosa) eventually lost in that fight; what more can a younger and much stronger Pacman can do to Raheem.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
paquio is too little ....
if morales can outbox Pacman Floyd will easily especially w/ the size difference ...the only reason Paquio should do it is the Money
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
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Originally Posted by pacfan
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
zahir raheem will destroy pacman..PBF would almost kill him...he'd better focus on the third fight morrales, and rematch with barrera..if they give a shat about his career..meaning freddie roach and his handlers they'd stop those rumors immediately..because rumors can become a self-fulfilling-prophecy...and pac might start to wonder if he could pull it off himself.
Raheem didn't give Morales the kind of punishment Pacman gave him. I don't think Raheem can do to Pacman what he did to Morales because Pacman is much faster than Morales. Besides, Pacman's aging compatriot Luisito Espinosa knocked down Raheem twice in one fight, although he (Espinosa) eventually lost in that fight; what more can a younger and much stronger Pacman can do to Raheem.
The reason morrales finished the fight on his feet against raheem, was because emmanuel steward said Zahir wasn't committing to his punches...and PAC stronger than Raheem? I think not, and he doesn't have anywhere near the same skills as Raheem and would be beaten soundedly....
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
this has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've heard lately whether its true or pure rumor. I won't even comment on who I think would win because there is not way this fight happens or should happen. Floyd shouldn't starve himself down to 135 and Manny is not a big guy and and 135 would require him trying to gain weight....forget about it.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by pacfan
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
zahir raheem will destroy pacman..PBF would almost kill him...he'd better focus on the third fight morrales, and rematch with barrera..if they give a shat about his career..meaning freddie roach and his handlers they'd stop those rumors immediately..because rumors can become a self-fulfilling-prophecy...and pac might start to wonder if he could pull it off himself.
Raheem didn't give Morales the kind of punishment Pacman gave him. I don't think Raheem can do to Pacman what he did to Morales because Pacman is much faster than Morales. Besides, Pacman's aging compatriot Luisito Espinosa knocked down Raheem twice in one fight, although he (Espinosa) eventually lost in that fight; what more can a younger and much stronger Pacman can do to Raheem.
The reason morrales finished the fight on his feet against raheem, was because emmanuel steward said Zahir wasn't committing to his punches...and PAC stronger than Raheem? I think not, and he doesn't have anywhere near the same skills as Raheem and would be beaten soundedly....
Strange, there seems to be almost no question in the boxing world today that Pacman has the biggest punch around his weight classes - remember, Zahir is less than an inch taller than Pac and he was fighting at 126 in 2004 against Juarez where he lost; so he is clearly in the class of Pacman when it comes to weight. Going back to the power issue, their records clearly show who is stronger - Raheem has a only 59% KO record against Pacman's 80%, not only that, Raheem hasn't knocked out any notable opponent in his career, whereas Pacman KO'd almost all, if not all, fighters who chose to fight toe-to-toe with him. Experts may err (although most seem to agree that Pac is the biggest puncher in his weight classes), but records don't lie.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
did you actually see the fight against juarez..where they were fighting in texas, with a texas ref, and two texas judges, oh did i mention juarez is from TEXAS....the ref took points from Zahir for resting his hand behind the shorter fighters neck during the clinches...its not like he was holding and hitting...they robbed zahir...and if you knew anything about raheem you'd know that he was starving himself to make 126 that why as soon as he got to a weight more suitable for him he kicked morrales' ass...pacman can punch but he is far too under skilled for a fighter like raheem let along dream of beating PBF...oh did i mention they (raheem and floyd) were on the same olympic team and sparred together...too much skill..he'd lose..
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
did you actually see the fight against juarez..where they were fighting in texas, with a texas ref, and two texas judges, oh did i mention juarez is from TEXAS....the ref took points from Zahir for resting his hand behind the shorter fighters neck during the clinches...its not like he was holding and hitting...they robbed zahir...and if you knew anything about raheem you'd know that he was starving himself to make 126 that why as soon as he got to a weight more suitable for him he kicked morrales' a**...pacman can punch but he is far too under skilled for a fighter like raheem let along dream of beating PBF...oh did i mention they (raheem and floyd) were on the same olympic team and sparred together...too much skill..he'd lose..
if you call hitting and running and looking like a fool just to dodge a punch then yea raheem is skilled...raheems awfull balance will get him knock dah eff out by pac...it takes more skill and strenght to knock a$s out then hitting once and getting the fuk out of their...raheem has one good win in his resume thats against a unmotivated morales who came up in weight...to much skill ha thats and overstatement...but keep thinking that way...
as for floyd his good but lets not doubt pac...it takes one flush left to say goodnight to floyd...it'll take 12 rounds to survive pac...all of pacs fight is brutal I'd love to see floyd in with pac...a drain floyd will have a hard time against pac...look at it this way...they own their division pac will win in 130 floyd will win in 140 lets go on and see who'll win in 135...floyd ain't god don't be surprise he get knock the fuk out too...
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
did you actually see the fight against juarez..where they were fighting in texas, with a texas ref, and two texas judges, oh did i mention juarez is from TEXAS....the ref took points from Zahir for resting his hand behind the shorter fighters neck during the clinches...its not like he was holding and hitting...they robbed zahir...and if you knew anything about raheem you'd know that he was starving himself to make 126 that why as soon as he got to a weight more suitable for him he kicked morrales' a**...pacman can punch but he is far too under skilled for a fighter like raheem let along dream of beating PBF...oh did i mention they (raheem and floyd) were on the same olympic team and sparred together...too much skill..he'd lose..
if you call hitting and running and looking like a fool just to dodge a punch then yea raheem is skilled...raheems awfull balance will get him knock dah eff out by pac...it takes more skill and strenght to knock a$s out then hitting once and getting the fuk out of their...raheem has one good win in his resume thats against a unmotivated morales who came up in weight...to much skill ha thats and overstatement...but keep thinking that way...
as for floyd his good but lets not doubt pac...it takes one flush left to say goodnight to floyd...it'll take 12 rounds to survive pac...all of pacs fight is brutal I'd love to see floyd in with pac...a drain floyd will have a hard time against pac...look at it this way...they own their division pac will win in 130 floyd will win in 140 lets go on and see who'll win in 135...floyd ain't god don't be surprise he get knock the fuk out too...
pacs corner stops the fight inside of 8
floyd is waaaay better than you are giving him credit for
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
did you actually see the fight against juarez..where they were fighting in texas, with a texas ref, and two texas judges, oh did i mention juarez is from TEXAS....the ref took points from Zahir for resting his hand behind the shorter fighters neck during the clinches...its not like he was holding and hitting...they robbed zahir...and if you knew anything about raheem you'd know that he was starving himself to make 126 that why as soon as he got to a weight more suitable for him he kicked morrales' a**...pacman can punch but he is far too under skilled for a fighter like raheem let along dream of beating PBF...oh did i mention they (raheem and floyd) were on the same olympic team and sparred together...too much skill..he'd lose..
That's exactly why I was suggesting Pacman face Raheem first before even entertaining the thought of fighting PBF. That should settle all the lesser issue about the Pac and Zahir before going to the the bigger issue regarding Floyd. FYI, Zahir is only half inch taller than Pac and he even said after the Morales fight that he won't mind going down to 130lbs to fight (I don't remember if he mentioned any particular fighter) because that's where the money is. About the Juarez fight, I don't see how a unanimous decision can be a robbery, and the scorings was not even close except one judge who gave 2 points for Juarez; usually a fighter is represented by a judge acceptable to his handlers and so the 'robbery' usually takes the form of a split decision, just like the Juarez-Barrera fight, as some say (although I may not agree on this one either). Enough of my talk, but don't you want to see Raheem fighting Pacman? I do.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
did you actually see the fight against juarez..where they were fighting in texas, with a texas ref, and two texas judges, oh did i mention juarez is from TEXAS....the ref took points from Zahir for resting his hand behind the shorter fighters neck during the clinches...its not like he was holding and hitting...they robbed zahir...and if you knew anything about raheem you'd know that he was starving himself to make 126 that why as soon as he got to a weight more suitable for him he kicked morrales' a**...pacman can punch but he is far too under skilled for a fighter like raheem let along dream of beating PBF...oh did i mention they (raheem and floyd) were on the same olympic team and sparred together...too much skill..he'd lose..
if you call hitting and running and looking like a fool just to dodge a punch then yea raheem is skilled...raheems awfull balance will get him knock dah eff out by pac...it takes more skill and strenght to knock a$s out then hitting once and getting the fuk out of their...raheem has one good win in his resume thats against a unmotivated morales who came up in weight...to much skill ha thats and overstatement...but keep thinking that way...
as for floyd his good but lets not doubt pac...it takes one flush left to say goodnight to floyd...it'll take 12 rounds to survive pac...all of pacs fight is brutal I'd love to see floyd in with pac...a drain floyd will have a hard time against pac...look at it this way...they own their division pac will win in 130 floyd will win in 140 lets go on and see who'll win in 135...floyd ain't god don't be surprise he get knock the fuk out too...
pacs corner stops the fight inside of 8
floyd is waaaay better than you are giving him credit for
i'm giving floyd all the credit and respect he deserve and i'm also giving pac all the credit and respect he deserve...don't get me wrong im a fan of both...if i had it my way pac and floyd will be top p4p forever...but i want to see this fight i followed both fighters for years now...it seems like im the only one that understand the history this fight will make...everybody seem to be blinded with wrong details going into this fight...if it happens don't doubt pac and don't expect floyd to just run him over...it'll be wrong for both fighters if you do...because it'll take away from either ones win against eachother...but this fight will be legendary if it happens...if you followed both guys career you'll know that too...
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
did you actually see the fight against juarez..where they were fighting in texas, with a texas ref, and two texas judges, oh did i mention juarez is from TEXAS....the ref took points from Zahir for resting his hand behind the shorter fighters neck during the clinches...its not like he was holding and hitting...they robbed zahir...and if you knew anything about raheem you'd know that he was starving himself to make 126 that why as soon as he got to a weight more suitable for him he kicked morrales' a**...pacman can punch but he is far too under skilled for a fighter like raheem let along dream of beating PBF...oh did i mention they (raheem and floyd) were on the same olympic team and sparred together...too much skill..he'd lose..
if you call hitting and running and looking like a fool just to dodge a punch then yea raheem is skilled...raheems awfull balance will get him knock dah eff out by pac...it takes more skill and strenght to knock a$s out then hitting once and getting the fuk out of their...raheem has one good win in his resume thats against a unmotivated morales who came up in weight...to much skill ha thats and overstatement...but keep thinking that way...
as for floyd his good but lets not doubt pac...it takes one flush left to say goodnight to floyd...it'll take 12 rounds to survive pac...all of pacs fight is brutal I'd love to see floyd in with pac...a drain floyd will have a hard time against pac...look at it this way...they own their division pac will win in 130 floyd will win in 140 lets go on and see who'll win in 135...floyd ain't god don't be surprise he get knock the fuk out too...
pacs corner stops the fight inside of 8
floyd is waaaay better than you are giving him credit for
i'm giving floyd all the credit and respect he deserve and i'm also giving pac all the credit and respect he deserve...don't get me wrong im a fan of both...if i had it my way pac and floyd will be top p4p forever...but i want to see this fight i followed both fighters for years now...it seems like im the only one that understand the history this fight will make...everybody seem to be blinded with wrong details going into this fight...if it happens don't doubt pac and don't expect floyd to just run him over...it'll be wrong for both fighters if you do...because it'll take away from either ones win against eachother...but this fight will be legendary if it happens...if you followed both guys career you'll know that too...
dont get me wrong..............i would love to see the fight if it happened, i'd probably go if it happened here (oh hell yeah, living in vegas has its perks) so i will do the unheard of and fold my cards on this debate being that i am so horribly biased for the local guy
cc for you.....if i could do one 8)
Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
Wow, no way is this true.
I would back Pac simply due to Floyd having to drain to get back down to 135 and the problems this would cause for him, his chin would suffer and that is not what u need against Pac.
P4P tho, Id take Floyd.
Floyd would absolutly school Pac Man.
:coolclick: I totally agree.
